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U2: An American band?

I feel guilty, but I have something to say about yet another thing I read in Sports Illustrated. I confess I read that magazine sometimes, if it's lying around and I want something light to page through while I'm eating lunch or some snack. But if this keeps up, not to worry — I'll go and register SIFilter.com and take it where it belongs....

Anyway. You may or may not have seen one of U2's latest videos, for their single, "Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of" (the lyrics are here), but there's something very odd about it: It's about (American) football. And when I first saw it I was puzzled; why would U2, an arty, Irish pop band, want a video about football?

Well, go figure, those inimitable news hounds at SI got the scoop. The video's director, one Joseph Kahn, told the magazine, "All they told me was, 'We want you to do something very American.' " SI doesn't report where Kahn originates from, however, so the puzzle as to whether it's American or European video directors that think football is definitive of America yet remains.

And a deeper puzzle has also emerged. Why would U2 want a "very American" video, even if it has nothing to do with them, their interests or their music? (Kahn also tells SI that the band "know[s] nothing about football" (in SI's words).) Can you imagine a more complete sellout, short of Bono calling up a country-western songwriter requesting some "very American" lyrics for their next single?

I mean, sure, pop music is big business, in the States more than anywhere, but this takes cheesy to new depths. (The song, too, is catchy but about as substantial as chords played on an air guitar.)

Also on SIFilter this week: this week's cover story, on the Nets' Jason Kidd, includes a lengthy (and sappy and poorly told) account of Kidd's marital history, starting with him first meeting his now wife, Joumana Samaha. The writer, S. L. Price, begins the story as follows:

It began the way it always begins. She was beautiful, and he had to have her. He saw her, and it all became clear: They would get together, and one thing would lead to another. Soon he lost his head a bit and saw the two of them together forever, the ballplayer and the Bud girl. That was what she was then, ...

And so on, in like vein. (I have quoted maybe half of the first paragraph of Price's romantic backstory.) Painfully bad stuff, but it brought me up short. I've also written a few pieces with the line "she was beautiful" in them. Is my stuff that bad, too? Ouch.

Of course, I've deliberately tried not to write like that — that's the whole point of that experiment, to take that line and try and do something interesting despite it. But, man, I'd forgotten just how agonizing it can be when you fail. I sure hope I didn't (too badly, at least).

January 26, 2002 5:47 PM

Comments (and TrackBacks)

I haven't seen the U2 video you are referencing and, frankly, i don't need to in order to be in agreement with your observation. U2 was one of my favorite bands growing up. In fact, the first concert I went to was in support of the "War" album, still a fantastic listen. It was a fabulous concert. The band played as if they cared about the music. And Bono didn't wear his friggin' sunglasses. Trace the band's downfall to the moment Bono started to wear his sunglasses outdoors, indoors, under doors and above doors. Disappointing band, indeed. There is an interesting rant on the subject of "selling out," by the way, by Dave Eggers: http://www.aphrodigitaliac.com/mm/archive/2000/05/15/

Posted by mike on January 28, 2002 12:36 AM

Is Jasons wife Joumana Black or is she Arabic??

Posted by manni on March 12, 2002 4:29 PM

she's hot no matter

Posted by Van on May 15, 2002 11:24 PM

Joumana Samaha kidd: She's Arabic/Palastinian

Posted by Clue on June 1, 2002 6:51 AM

I grew up with her since 2nd grade through high school. Always in the spotlight. When we were Jr. High she even bragged she was dating Ralph Tresvant from New Edition.

Posted by kelly on June 6, 2002 12:17 PM

hi

Posted by anonymous on July 28, 2002 10:39 PM

is joumana kidd black at all? or just arabic?

Posted by anonymous on July 28, 2002 10:40 PM

I think that Joumana Kidd is a sexy beast!!!!

Posted by Ryan on October 3, 2002 9:45 PM

So what race is she?? Arabic? Black?

Posted by Anonymous on October 9, 2002 9:32 PM

Ahhh. Joumana Kidd if you read this, tell us what nationality you are.

Posted by anonymous on October 17, 2002 4:47 PM

Her dad, part Jordanian and part Egyptian. Her mother, part Palestinian and part Lebanese.

Posted by Anonimo on October 27, 2002 10:28 PM

does anybody know how tall joumana kidd is.

Posted by shukri on December 3, 2002 10:26 PM

around 5'5"

Posted by on December 9, 2002 4:31 PM

what race is allen iverson's wife

Posted by n/a on December 26, 2002 8:06 PM

does anyone know joumana? she seemed so stuck up on MTV cribs. is she always like that?

Posted by sherae on January 10, 2003 12:37 PM

How does she seem stuck up?

Posted by on January 13, 2003 3:51 PM

Allen Iverson's wife looks half black and half white.

Posted by on January 13, 2003 3:51 PM

Iverson's wife if black

Posted by on January 13, 2003 10:43 PM

Iverson's wife if black

Posted by on January 13, 2003 10:44 PM

damn i was just watching mtv's diary of Jason Kidd... wowwwwwwwww his wife is so damn smokin.. im in love

Posted by on January 13, 2003 10:59 PM

I can't believe he's a wife beater. He seemed so nice on MTV's Diary.

Posted by on January 16, 2003 3:25 PM

omg joumana kidd is amazing!! that sexy Arabic girl!! part LEBANESE and part PALASTINIAN! iam lebanese and trust me...there are girls in lebanon that look just as good as her. itz amazing. all should go to Beirut,Lebanon and party away with the amazing girls! GO JOUMANA!

Posted by Ayman on January 16, 2003 7:56 PM

Jason Kidd's children are ugly though.

Posted by Julianne Johnson on January 17, 2003 4:56 PM

They are not ugly. They are as cute as any other little kid is.

Posted by on January 18, 2003 7:09 PM

I hope Jason acts the way he did on MTV's Diary in real life when the cameras are not there. He acted the way a good father/husband is supposed to act. I hope it wasn't just to make his image look good. If it was sincere, his family should be very proud of him for turning things around in his life.

Posted by Kim on January 18, 2003 7:18 PM

jason kidd is so hott i love his eyes and his wife is so pretty but tj looks kinda wierd he has like a big forhead or something... but anywayz much lov to the nets and jasons family...

Posted by Precious on January 19, 2003 9:28 PM

TJ's head is kinda big... Maybe he has water on the brain or something... I think you can have that drained. He seems healthy though, so maybe he just has a big head.

Posted by on January 21, 2003 4:44 PM

jasonkidds wife is hot as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i like her.jason is my dog

Posted by manny pagan on January 23, 2003 7:47 PM

TJ has a basketball head!

Posted by Hoops Guru on January 23, 2003 9:33 PM

TJ looks like eddie munster

Posted by on January 24, 2003 12:56 AM

It would finally take Jason Kidd becoming a lottery pick before Joumana came around and finally gave Kidd some play. Back in the days in the Bay Area, Jason got no love from Joumana when she came back in town from Arizona State. Jason Kidd then becomes a lottery pick with millions up the wazoo and Joumana, like any other woman, can is giving Kidd "groupie love."

Posted by Heartbreaker on February 4, 2003 11:41 AM

Joumana started dating Jason in 1996, 2 years after he got drafted. If she was only interested in the money, she would have started dating him two years earlier in 1994.

I think she went to San Diego State.

Posted by on February 5, 2003 3:11 PM

Im arab and Im way hotter than Joumana Kidd! She looks like a beast next to me. Call me 408-836-3752

Posted by Pepe on February 7, 2003 8:33 PM

jason kidd is the best damn pg in the league! he could be the best ever, except for th fact that he has never really had any hall of famer besside him.and his wife is beutiful.dont talk about him he has changed his life around!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO NETS

Posted by joel y. on March 1, 2003 5:03 PM

the nets are playing horrible lately and jason looks like he isn't trying too hard anymore. :(

Posted by kim on March 5, 2003 10:35 PM

i just saw jKidd play against the spurs. the spurs beat the nets really bad. while jKidd is the best pg in the league, tonyParker is right there behind him. once, jKidd comes to sa-Spurs in the off season, he will join tParker to form the best backcourt in the league. And with timDuncan, they will be the best team in the league.

out.

p.s. it'll be nice to sit next to his wife at the home games...she's beautiful

Posted by warrick on March 6, 2003 11:40 PM

I disagree with Kidd and Parker being the best back court in the league. Kidd is not a shooting guard. A shooting guard needs to be a scorer and that is not what Jason does best. He excells at his natural position. I don't think that those two could coexist in the back court.

Posted by Anonymous on March 7, 2003 12:55 AM

You can't assume that they would be the best team in the league. Kobe and Shaq are the best 1-2 punch in the league and look what place they are in.

Posted by miah on March 7, 2003 12:57 AM

Jason Kidd is a god. His wife is so lucky and I think people who keep talking about his kid are cruel. Little TJ has a medical problem which is the reason why his head is big. Other than that he's a great little kid who looks up to his daddy. And if he turns out to be 1/4 of what his dad is he will be great! God bless the Kidd family and may Jason Kidd stay in NJ forever. I love you Jason! I love you Nets!!!

Posted by Karina on March 14, 2003 4:57 PM

Joumana has always been a money chaser..since the beginning.

Posted by DG on March 18, 2003 6:07 PM

What makes you say that DG?

Posted by Anonymous on March 19, 2003 4:20 PM

What makes you say that DG?

Posted by Anonymous on March 19, 2003 4:20 PM

His wife is beautiful....she's 5'5"....i don't think so, she looks taller.

Posted by Kiddo on March 21, 2003 12:47 PM

That's cause she's always wearing those massive heels... She's about 5'5"

Posted by Anonymous on March 21, 2003 4:06 PM

how old is joumana kidd.

Posted by anonymous on March 22, 2003 5:16 AM

She's 30. She'll be 31 on September 28th.

Posted by Anonymous on March 25, 2003 7:07 PM

Forget what race Jourmana is, what race is Jason Kidd?

Posted by Jack the Ripper on April 4, 2003 1:14 AM

Jason is half black, half white. His mother is Irish Catholic (That's where he gets those beautiful blue green eyes.) His father is a black baptist.

Posted by on April 6, 2003 7:03 PM

who are Jason's other kids. He never talks about them, especially his first son.

Posted by Kamala on April 7, 2003 12:31 AM

Jason has a 4 year old son, TJ, and twin daughters, 1 year old Miah and Jazelle, with his wife, Joumana. He has a 9 year old son, Jason, from a so-called "one-night stand" with a United Airlines clerk from San Francisco named Alexandria Brown. Kidd does not have custody of Jason, Jr. and that is why you never hear about him.

Posted by kim on April 8, 2003 3:49 PM

"Joumana has always been a money chaser..since the beginning"

That sounds Lebanese to me! :)

Posted by bubba on April 14, 2003 1:01 AM

I heard horrible rumors that Jason Kidd is leaving the NETS after this season. Please someone tell me it isn't so. I am already crying.

Posted by Karina on April 16, 2003 4:10 PM

Joumana Kidd is hot as hell, Jason Kidd is one lucky dude to go home to that every night.

Posted by Joe on April 16, 2003 8:40 PM

Karina, Jason has not made up his mind as to whether or not he is staying with the Nets after this year. I think he wants to see how far the Nets go in the playoffs this year first before he makes any final decision. He will most likely either stay in NJ or go to San Antonio. He has the option to do whatever he chooses but he has to wait until July 1 before he can sign any contract with the Nets or another team. I'm hoping that he stays with the Nets as well.

Posted by on April 17, 2003 6:14 PM

Joumana Kidd is so damn HOT!!! and SEXY!!! i wouldn't mind being her love/sex slave any day. Heck i'll give up my life for that job;until she starts getting old looking ofcourse. Then i'll move on to service either Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera. God i wish Joumana,Britney,and Christina posed for Playboy.

Posted by Vitamin K on April 19, 2003 3:50 PM

Damn I never knew Joumana Kidd is Middle Eastern!!!!

So where is she from?

And what city in the Bay Area is Jason Kidd from? Oakland?

Posted by Kevin C on April 19, 2003 9:20 PM

Joumana's from Foster City, California, near San Francisco. Jason's from Alameda, CA, a suburb of Oakland.

Posted by on April 19, 2003 10:57 PM

How do you guys know all this stuff? Ya'll must be pretty big fans.

Anyway thanks bro

Posted by Kevin C on April 20, 2003 1:22 AM

Jason is a good thing for the Nets. I know that he will stay. plus joumana has a budding career with television. Why would she want to go to SA? Her happiness will factor into his decision to stay or not.

As for her ethnicity...thanks guys for the info. I thought she was puerto rican.

Posted by NetsLuva on April 21, 2003 12:00 PM

jason keep doin your thing. you are THE BEST POINT GUARD IN THE LEAGUE. show your critics that you can take the nets to the finals 2 years in a row.jason please stay????!!!!!!!!!!!! you are my favorite player and a great role model!!! your wife is beutiful and your son is so cute... i pattern my whole game after you and am averaging a triple-double for my aau team
is there any way i could meet you and spend a day with you?? your great in every aspect of life. tell joumana,t.j.,miah,and jazelle i said hi. your a great man!!!!!!!!!!!! go #5. GO NETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Joel Y, on April 21, 2003 5:18 PM

I just have to say thanks to everyone who answers my questions in here. You are all so great! And for all you guys who want Joumanna as a sex slave I say keep dreaming. I highly doubt she's going to cheat on Jason with anyone in this entire Universe. I know I wouldn't... By the way, Jason if you ever want a sex slave you can count on me! Not only do I have no limits but I'm also extremely Kinky! I love you Jason Kid..................
GO NETS!!!!! LET'S KICK SOME BUCKS ASS AND THEN MOVE ONTO FINISHING THE JOB OF KICKING SHAQ'S AND KOBY'S ASS IN THE WEST COAST LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE LAST YEAR! NETS RULE!!!!!!!!! NJ RULES !!!!!!!!!

Posted by Karina on April 23, 2003 11:52 AM

Yeah I also thought Joumana is Puerto Rican. Guess I was wrong

She probably is a gold digger like someone said earlier.

Posted by Ryan on April 30, 2003 4:02 PM

If she was a gold digger, I think she would have left Kidd a long time ago, like after their domestic abuse incident.

Posted by Anonymous on May 1, 2003 5:24 PM

karina-you are a moron, kidd seems like a cool guy but he beat his wife, which is not cool...i wouldn't call him a god unless you like getting your ass kicked

Posted by what an idiot on May 6, 2003 10:49 PM

Stop sweating him so hard! Damn, you act like the man found the cure to cancer or created world peace. He just plays basketball and makes a lot of money for it. His wife looks good, but you don't know if she's a b*tch in person. Hey for all I know, she could have herpes.

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Posted by Lou on May 9, 2003 7:58 PM

A note from the management: I've removed some comments discussing whether Jason Kidd may have slept with another woman (not his wife), at the request of the author of the original comment, and according to my better judgment.

Posted by Matt on May 9, 2003 8:03 PM

is jason kidd black or white?

Posted by matt on May 9, 2003 10:03 PM

Jason is half black, half white.

Posted by Anonymous on May 10, 2003 12:16 AM

does anybody know how jason kidd's first son named jason looks like.

Posted by anonymous on May 11, 2003 5:54 AM

Jkidd is the best PG in the NBA, no doubt about it. and for his family, all of ya should mind your own business. No need for everyone up in his ass about his personal life

Posted by Zen on May 12, 2003 5:00 PM

The fans have a right to know if Kidd is sleeping with another woman. Actually, his wife has the right to know if her husband is sleeping with another woman. I just hope it's not true.

Posted by Anonymous on May 12, 2003 5:45 PM

What'd you say about being up Jason's ass? You think he's sleeping with a guy?

Posted by Mario on May 13, 2003 4:02 AM

does anybody know how jason kidd's first child named jason looks like. i would just like to know because i never see him with jason

Posted by anonymous on May 13, 2003 8:46 PM

I don't know what he looks like. Jason probably doesn't even know what he looks like. I only know that he is 9 years old. Jason does not have custody of his first son and the kid lives on the other side of the country. That is why you never see him with Jason. Kidd barely knew the mother of his first son and they got into a few heated battles about child support payments. Kidd also denied that he was the father of this child for a while after he was born. It was just a stupid and immature mistake, typical college-age behavior that Jason seems to want to forget. He moved on and got married and started a family that he can be proud of.

Posted by Anonymous on May 13, 2003 11:34 PM

Yeah, Jason did a lot of stupid things during his college years. I am glad he seems to have finally turned his life around after coming to NJ. He seems like a good person that is very devoted to his family.

Posted by Anonymous on May 13, 2003 11:37 PM

That is, of course, if the rumor about Jason Kidd sleeping with Mateen Cleave's girlfriend isn't true. I can't imagine him doing that, though.

Posted by Anonymous on May 13, 2003 11:40 PM

is jason, jr's (son from first relationship)mother black? also is mateen cleaves girlfriend black?

Posted by Kaliste on May 14, 2003 6:49 PM

how do ya'll know all this stuff about jason and joumana kidd?

Posted by amelia on May 15, 2003 12:55 PM

where did you hear the rumor about jkidd sleeping with anothe women?

Posted by tasha on May 15, 2003 12:58 PM

Jason Jr's mother, Alexandria Brown of the San Francisco area, is black. I have never seen Mateen Cleave's girlfriend.

Posted by Anonymous on May 15, 2003 10:06 PM

Amelia, I have been following Kidd for years. You tend to learn tons of things about him when you follow him for so long.

Posted by Anonymous on May 15, 2003 10:08 PM

Tasha, do you see the posts above that were removed? They were started by a man who claimed that Kidd slept with Mateen Cleave's girlfriend in Chicago this April. At first his story sounded fake, but he provided additional information that started to convince me otherwise. I hope it's not true... I am a huge Kidd fan and I do not believe that he would ever do something like this after what he and his wife went through to be together today. I did happen to save the comments made about Kidd's alleged affair before they were removed, and if you would like them, I could email them to you if you provide an address.

Posted by Anonymous on May 15, 2003 10:16 PM

Thank you for explaining and i would love to know what the article said my email should be on the bottom of my post.

Posted by tasha on May 16, 2003 11:39 AM

www.rasberry35022@yahoo.com

Posted by tasha on May 16, 2003 11:40 AM

who is manteen cleave?

Posted by carmen on May 16, 2003 11:43 AM

Carmen, he's on the Sacramento Kings.

Posted by Anonymous on May 16, 2003 12:02 PM

thank you for sending me the article I hope its not true either he seems like a Honorable man and joumana kidd is so pretty why would he cheat but then again why would Eric Benet cheat on halle berry whos was named the most beautiful person in the world by people magazine. I guess having a pretty face only can take you so far?

Posted by tasha on May 16, 2003 5:25 PM

all I have to say about jason kidd is that he is fake as all get out. This man puts on a front everyday.He suppose to be this devoted father and loving husband but wheres the devotion to his first born son who he never talks about i mean the boy probaly is growing up hating him because even though he was his first born he's probaly feels like second best if best at all since tj taken his place. and what so loving when you pop your wife in the face in front of your child and you can't tell me that was the first time he ever did it joumana said so her self.

Posted by carmen on May 16, 2003 5:38 PM

well if the story is true then i'am not surprise.Back in the day when jkidd was playing in dallas he was known to be a lady's man he loved road trips and i think you know what im getting at.It was said when jim jackson and jason got into a feud jason was "Flirting" and say really naughty things to jim jackson's girlfriend in his prescence and jason kidd then fiancee which may have been joumana. Jackson supposedly got mad and told jkidd girlfriend that Jason got another girl pregnant and not to be shock if a paternity suit was filed. jkidd got mad blah blah blah and never spoke to him again.But everyone thinks it was about Toni Braxton which is not true.

Posted by Anonymous on May 17, 2003 1:11 PM

Joumana is not all that beautiful i'll say she is pretty but home girl need to put some meat on her bones

Posted by Anonymous on May 17, 2003 1:30 PM

Has anyone seen a picture of Alexsandria Brown?

Posted by Tasha on May 17, 2003 4:18 PM

I think Jason has an obligation to at least mention his first born son. He doesnt even acknowledge him on his bio. I think that is real chicken s***! I don't care if it was a so called "1 night stand" he still should accept responsibility once it was confirmed that it was his child. That child should not have to suffer because of his parents being irresponsible. I think he is a great player but no respect for him or his wife for not acknowledging his son or trying to establish a relationship and letting her children know they have siblings. Joumanna is just as much to blame.

Posted by mb on May 17, 2003 7:01 PM

Jason wasn't dating Joumana at all when he played in Dallas. He didn't start going out with her until September of 1996. Kidd didn't get engaged to Joumana until Christmas Eve of 1996. Two days later, he got traded to Phoenix. Kidd supposedly did ask some girl to marry him while he was in Dallas, but it was not Joumana. Obviously, Kidd was acting immaturely, asking some girl to marry him that he didn't love and really wasn't interested in. Of course Kidd was a lady's man in Dallas... What young guy right out of college isn't?? Lots of guys argue over women when they are young and a lot of guys sleep with a lot of girls when they are young. They are immature and stupid and don't really know what they want out of life yet. You can't be mad at Kidd for acting like any normal 21 year old would act.

Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 12:14 PM

Yeah, when Kidd started dating Joumana, he started to settle down a lot more. He seems very devoted to her.

Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 12:19 PM

well acting like a horny 21 year old is one thing bringing a child into this world is another.I don't expect jason to be a saint nor do i think he is.But when you have a child you have to be responsible regardless of the circumstances.no child should suffer for there parents iresponsibility.I have been a big fan of jkidd since he drafted in 94 but give me a break.I have never once heard him acknowledge his first son.I hope he grows up a big basketball star and show his father what he missed out on.No credit to him i guarantee that.

Posted by Ty on May 18, 2003 3:37 PM

why did jason and his first fiancee break there engagement?

Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 3:42 PM

I heard the reason for the feud between Jason and Jackson was that Jason was dating a girl from salt and pepper,I think spinderella,But anyway at the same time he was dating jim jackson's sister and of course big brother got mad once he found out his boy was cheating on his sister.I thought it would i have been interesting to know since everyone wants to know about jkidd past transgressions.

Posted by K.D. on May 18, 2003 3:51 PM

lets leave Jason past to rest.He obviously has changed otherwise he wouldn't be on top of his game right now.We don't know if he doesn't have a relationship with his son or not.He could be very involved for all we know maybe his mother doesn't want him in the spotlight.And as far as jason cheating on joumana I seriosly doubt it.Why would he take such a risk of losing his family a second time.i think he loves joumana and if he doesn't i think he wouldn't take the risk of having to split his millions.

Posted by tasha on May 18, 2003 4:03 PM

I believe jason would cheat on joumana because i believe he is bitter that she had him lock up.Do you really want to finish your career known to having a squeaky clean image to good guy goes bad.Who wants to be called wifebeater every where you go.

Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 4:09 PM

Jason's engagement to his first so-called fiance, was just a stupid, immature move on Jason's part. He was too young and stupid to understand what he was getting into. Jason wasn't ready to settle down with just one woman, especially one he was not really interested in, which is why they broke it off. Jason also drank a lot back in the day... I remember reading in the local paper about how Jason asked some girl to marry him the next day in Las Vegas when he was really drunk in college. He just did stupid things.

Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 9:18 PM

You guys have to realize that Jason does not have custody of his first son. He's not allowed to just spend time with Jason Jr whenever he wants. Jason Jr's mother would not allow Kidd to have custody his first son and at this point, I doubt she would even let Kidd see him even if he wanted to. They had some heated battles over things like child support and I don't think they are on good terms at all. In fact, they might not be on any terms anymore. So don't completely blame Kidd for not being in close contact with his first child.

Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 9:25 PM

Jason has mentioned that the best thing to ever happen to him and his family was when Joumana called the police and got him arrested. This completely turned his life around. He was finally able to realize how much his family means to him and he knew he had to change in over to keep his family together. He has reached a new level of maturity because of the arrest. There is no way that Kidd is bitter over that. I doubt he would cheat on his wife either. And the only people that seem to call him a wifebeater anymore are the bitter Boston fans. He doesn't care what the public thinks of him, he just cares about what his family thinks of him.

Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 9:31 PM

Hey can someone (anonymous)send me the article or posting that they have on the mateen cleaves girlfriend-jason kidd thing. I'd really appreciate it. also does anyone have any info on Carmelo Anthony? I think he's hot, hot, hot!!!!

Thanks,
Molise Kniese
kmolise@hotmail.com

Posted by Molise Kniese on May 19, 2003 12:55 PM

I hate to beat a dead horse but I am blaming Jason. If he really wanted a relationship with his son, believe me he could have it regardless of the mother or not. He has just a much right as she does and the court will grant him that. And Joumanna should fight that with him. Even if he feels it is too hard he still doesnt even acknowledge him. I have seen numerous interviews when he talks about his family and never mentions Jason Jr. I think Jason has grown a lot but no respect for him and his wife on the family tip. Joumanna is very self centered. By the way when he married Joumanna it was a Vegas type thing as well. He called his boys the day after they got married and said he was married. Word has it the real wedding was later.

Posted by mb on May 19, 2003 1:14 PM

Well I think joumana intentions on marrying jason were not all pure definetly not all about love. who marries some body after 4 months of dating?when jason first met joumana he was a freshman in college and and was a big star in his home town.Joumana from what i heard had the oppurtunity to date him then but was sayed to been dating some well none muisican who was already bringing in the money.only when jason became a well known ball player did she give in to his advances.Bottom line joumana is a gold digger and jason is a dead beat dad. they make the perfect couple.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:02 PM

Okay well if the reason for him not mentioning his first son because of baby mama drama why in the world does he rarely talk about his twin daughters? All i see is joumana and tj. in the magazines in the newspaper on web sites. why doesn't j and his wifey include there daughters in their parade of family togetherness?

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:10 PM

well that thing about jason cheating with a players girlfriend i totally believe. The story seem to acurate and on point to just be made up on the spur of the moment.The dates were correct and the teams were in those towns that he mentioned.To some one making it up its too well contrived.I'Am from alabama Lets just hope it doen't turn into one of those mike price things Which also started from an internet post which turned out to be true as we all know.

Posted by carl on May 19, 2003 4:20 PM

According to Joumana, Jason and she tied the knot after only about 4 months of dating in February 1997 because her mother did not think it was a good idea to move to Arizona to live with a guy that wasn't her husband. I have also heard that the Phoenix Suns only allowed wives on the plane, not fiancees, which could be another reason to convince them to marry early. They had a real wedding in August, which is probably when they were planning on getting married in the first place.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:35 PM

what did joumana had to offer jason to finally make him settle down? besides her good looks.

Posted by J.J on May 19, 2003 4:35 PM

Actually it was probably closer to 6 months of dating. That's not that short.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:38 PM

man jason is whoop.Joumana made him into her little puppet so she could do what ever she like.She changed the way he dressed the way he talked made him ditch some of his old friends and the music he listen to that sounds p***y whoop to me.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:43 PM

I don't think you hear about Jason's daughters as much because they don't go to a lot of the games. (They do go to some). They are only 1 and bringing them along with TJ to games would be a big hassle. Can you imagine having three kids there under the age of 4 that don't really know what is going on anyway? Not to mention that they are girls and probably won't like basketball when they grow up. It is not like Jason and Joumana don't care about them, have you seen their basement recently? They set up the cutest exercise area for the girls in the basement, with slides and mats. It's adorable, they have tons of toys. They aren't ignored.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:43 PM

what was his first fiancee name and how did she look like?

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:47 PM

well couldn't he bring his older son to some games just so he won't feel neglected

Posted by ash on May 19, 2003 4:51 PM

MB, why do you think Joumana is self-centered?? To me, she is just the opposite. She seems to always put other people before herself. She does so much for her kids and her husband. Do you see all the toys her kids have?? And their little play houses in the backyard that she had made for them?? I don't think a lot of people's moms would do that kind of stuff for their kids no matter how much money they have.

Jason doesn't mention his first son because he never sees him and does not have custody of him. I don't think it would be very easy to get custody of him either. I think the boy's mother pressed charges on Kidd on more than one occasion. (She accused him of abusing her I believe, which was supposedly just to get more money from Kidd). Also, Kidd probably would not want to disrupt his close, tight-knit family by bringing another child into the picture... As hard as it is for the kid, it is hard for the family as well. It is probably just a reminder of Kidd's bad past. And who's to say that Jason Jr's mother didn't marry so that the kid could have a father and maybe be adopted by this man?? The kid could be extremely happy and could be adopted for all we know. Jason might not want to disrupt that either. The kid would think he has two fathers or something. We just don't know the whole story. Don't be so quick to blame Kidd. A lot of kids grow up without a biological parent and it doesn't bother them. It just happens.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 5:00 PM

Joumana offered Kidd all her love and support. She gave him good advice so that he could make more intelligent, mature decisions. She cared about him and offered her input so that he wasn't being steered in the wrong direction. She suggested to Kidd that he change his agent and ditch some of his friends that were trouble makers and were looking to take advantage of Kidd. It's not all about looks, I think she's a good person inside. Even today, she says that all decisions about Kidd's future are entirely on him, but that she will always be there to support him. I hope everyone can find a wife that is as supportive as she is.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 5:10 PM

carl, you sound a lot like bob who made those posts... maybe you are bob

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 5:12 PM

For the person who asked why I think Joumanna's self centered, heres to you. In your response I see why you don't think she's self centered. TOYS are a sign of her being giving to others?? They have the money. She not a stupid girl by far, she knows what to do to keep the man happy, take care of his son he acknowledges by the woman who has him whupped!!
Yes it would be easy to get joint custody of his son. He is the parent, believe me my boyfriend did it with his son and he is a great parent. Jada stepped in when Will Smith and his ex were going through the drama and made that situation work as a family enviornment, and Joumanna could do the same. If his "babys momma" can't get along with him that is her issue, let the court decide, if he and Joumanna were sincere, the court would grant joint custody and he could come up during the summer, x-mas, or spring breaks to spend time with his brother and sisters.
Second I'm pretty familiar with the situation being from the bay and knowing some of his friends. Both him and his sons mother were immature and at first she wasn't asking for much child support but Jason's silly self was acting stupid and claiming it wasn't his so he wouldn't have to pay, thats when it got ugly. He knew that was his child, it was not a 1 night stand, however that was not his fiance. When Joumanna came along she was a bud girl and hostessing at a local nightclub. She was popular with the men to say the least, then she landed Jason and he was whupped! She had even been with a few of his friends not too long b4 they ran off and got married. I give her high five for getting what she wants, and she is a pretty girl, on the outside. All I say is just keep it real! She's out for Joumanna, and what better way to get her face and name out there than to marry Jason.

Posted by mb on May 19, 2003 6:17 PM

Also if his baby's mom claimed he abused her, it wasn't to get more money. Uh can we all say, "I hit Joumanna in Arizona over french fries", together please? His track record doesnt make it look too surprising that maybe, uh, he really DID hit her. I don't know just a thought.

Posted by mb on May 19, 2003 6:21 PM

mb, I sense that you are not a Jason Kidd fan at all. It's not just toys. Have you ever seen their house?? She doesn't just buy toys at the store and throw them in a pile somewhere. Joumana hired a contractor to build miniature houses for the kids to play in the backyard. That takes a lot of thought and planning. I don't know any other mother that would spend the time doing that for their kids. She also had a mini replica of the Net's court built in the basement for TJ to play on. She had a whole exercise area set up for the girls. Things like that are more personal and thoughtful. It's not just going to a store and buying a doll. It makes it seem like she goes out of her way to make her kids happy.

The court did decide. And the fact that Jason Jr's mother, Alexandria, mentioned Kidd as being abusive played a part in that decision. Like I said, you don't know what the circumstances are now. Jason Jr could be adopted. Maybe Kidd does not want to disrupt that by having this child fly all the way to NJ from California to see people he doesn't know. That puts a lot of pressure on a little kid. When the child grows up, he can decide if he wants to see he biological father or not. And if he does, I doubt Jason will have a problem with it. And I am not disputing whether or not Kidd ever did hit Alexandria but I am saying that she was accused of trying to exaggerate situations at times to get more money from Kidd. And according to Jason's mom, it was a one-night stand. I will believe what she says over what you say. Kidd may have been acquiantances with this girl and may just have never introduced her to his mother, but it was nothing more than that. He barely knew her name. I am also from the Bay Area and have followed Kidd closely since he was in high school at St Josephs.

If Joumana wanted her name and face out there, she would have married a movie star, or a singer, or at least a more famous basketball player in a prominent area. With her looks, she could have gotten anyone. Jason wasn't exactly one of the top players in the NBA at the time and surely he wasn't in a premier market in Arizona. Joumana was not going to get her face and name out there by sitting at basketball games in Phoenix. There was obviously more to it... oh yeah, love. And by the way, it's one 'n' in Joumana.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 8:24 PM

Well you are obviously a Joumana and Jason fan. (I really could care less how many n's are in her name). Look the lady has the money to do all that and there are plenty of stars out there that have done that but don't have it all over TV to make it look better for them. There are alot of pretty women out there. And since she has married Jason is when she was able to do her broadcasting thing. Again I tip my hat to her, she is using her resources wisely. I think now, yes, her and Jason are very in love, but that was over the years and him maturing. At first I don't think it was a relationship built on love.
Second, we all know we tell our parents what we think they want to know. Of course he's going to tell his mother he barely knew her, he was trying to make it seem that way because of the case. That girl wasn't trying to get a heck of alot of money from Jason until he got outright stupid. It's not that I'm not a Jason fan, I just don't respect him, or any other man that doesn't even acknowledge his children. I don't see how you could either. Whether he's adopted or not, his name is Jason Jr., Hello! I'm quite sure he knows who his real father is. You nor I know the exact story on either part so its irrelevant to say what is going on. I can state the fact that, in numerous interviews and on his bio for nba they ask him about his children and he doesnt ever name or talk about Jason Jr. Sorry no kudos for him. I think he is a great player and he has grown alot, I just think that is 1 area that needs to be worked on. So Jason/Joumana fan, keep it real, thats all.

Posted by mb on May 20, 2003 12:15 PM

1 more think Jason/Joumana fan (by the way you must be a friend of Joumana or something), Jason was a top player, he left college after his sophomore year and was one of the top picks. He was the shiznit at Cal, so obviously you are not a true basketball fan. By what you are saying is making Joumana look like more of a gold digger, your kind of contradicting yourself. By your recollection she waited until he did make a name for himself in the nba until she snatched him. You might want to ask Joumana if Jason has any friends.

Posted by mb on May 20, 2003 12:21 PM

I think Joumana Love for the camera is a little to much.I mean she is constantely stoping and posing for pictures.She always got reporters at her house for interviews.She demand to come in the backway of the arena where the players come in for some odd reason and anytime a sports caster calls to talk to jason she always ask them in her own words " are you sure you don't want an interview?" she's intoxicated with the celebrity life style a little to much.

Posted by mutha on May 20, 2003 1:38 PM

No i'am not And who is bob anyway.I read the post before it was taken down and it just seems to organized to be a made up story.Your living in a fantasy world if you think jason wouldn't cheat on his wife.There are plenty of beautiful women beside joumana so please don't give me that faithful crap.especially since he spends more time on the roads than at home.I'm not saying all B ballers cheat.But im saying you should expect alot of things from a man who beats his wife

Posted by carl on May 20, 2003 1:54 PM

who is always coming to joumana Defense you act like the women is mother theresa or somthing like that.I mean you correcting anyone who spells her name wrong.I mean i think you are in love with joumana or something.But let me ask you something how well do you know joumana kidd.Looks can be decieving and maybe she is not all that perfect.Anybody can put an image of some kind. look and christina aquilara.One minute she a saint the next x-tina?? not saying joumana is not a nice women but don't put her up on pedistal if you don't no this women on a personal level.The media can play tricks on you so don't pout when she turns to be a Female dog

Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 2:02 PM

anybody can build mini houses and playgrounds or whatever crap you say she put time and effort on.If you saw russel simmons house he and his wife build a miniture castle for their daughter.I don't like joumana Because she is stupid to stay with man who spat at her chased her up the stairs harasses her calls her a bitch and beats her.On top of that in front of their son.I don't like jason because he has a past of being abusive to women.He was abusive to his own wife.Doesn't acknowledge his first son and seems to think it won't effect him.Like the other person sayed his name is jason jr. he 9 years old and probably aware of the situation how can you think its okay for a son not to know his real father i'm pretty sure he sees him on tv all the time don't you think that effects him. what do you think people say when he ackowledges his other children but not him.I bet it hurts knowing your father doesn't seem to give a damn about you. No matter the circumstances you always put the child first and there are ways to do it

Posted by carl on May 20, 2003 2:25 PM

The kid is 9 for goodness sakes. He could easily have a father figure in his life that he thinks is his own dad. When you're that little, you don't think about things like who your real father is. You just assume that the man taking care of you with your mom is your dad. Kids that age don't even know where babies come from, so a biological parent to them is no different than any acting parent in their life. I can speak from experience... I adopted my wife's 10 year old daughter after her real dad left the family when she was 3. She's only 10 and she thinks I am her real father. When she gets a little older, my wife and I will tell her that I am not her real dad and I will leave it up to her to decide if she wants to meet with him or not. She is oblivious to the situation and perfectly content and I bet little Jason is, too.

Leave Kidd alone. He does not have to mention a child from a previous relationship that he does not have custody of and does not keep in contact with in interviews. He does not owe that to the fans. If Jason is asked about his family and he mentions Jason, Jr, that will open up a can of worms. The media will be asking, "Why doesn't he go to games? Why is he never seen?", which will lead to, "Who's the mother?", "Where does he live?", "Why don't you have custody?", etc. I don't think Kidd wants to get into that. It's a private matter that's none of our business and does not have to be brought up. If he wants to keep the kid out of the spotlight, than that is the right thing to do, especially if he is never in contact with the boy.

Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 4:12 PM

Um, mb, Jason Jr is mentioned on Jason's nba.com biography.

Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 4:16 PM

Yeah, mb, I am a true basketball fan. When Joumana finally agreed to date Kidd in 1996 (she wouldn't go out with him for four years because she thought he was arrogant, which he was), Jason was on the Dallas Mavericks, who were experiencing another miserable, losing season without making the playoffs. Also, Kidd was on the trading block. He definitely wasn't a superstar, not anywhere near one of the top 10 players in the NBA. He was indeed a superstar in high school and at Cal, but that was when Joumana wouldn't go near him. If Joumana was only waiting for Kidd to make some good money, she would have hitched up with him in 1994 when he came into the league, but she didn't because she wanted a husband that would love her, not a guy that thinks the world revolves around him. Joumana also could not have known how great of a player Kidd was going to become in this league. He could have ended up like any other scrub in the NBA that always fights with coaches and teammates and gets traded every six months. (Which seemed for a while to be where he was headed). Joumana could not have predicted in her wildest dreams that she would end up in NJ with tons of media opportunies. Both Joumana and Jason were so sure that they were gonna be in Phoenix for the rest of Kidd's career, where the market is not all that great. If you think Joumana had planned a path to stardom through Kidd, than that is just dumb. Joumana mentioned this past week that the people in the entertainment business could not give a damn that she is married to Kidd and a lot of them don't even know who he is. Like I said, she has dated singers, pro athletes, and other famous people before that had more fame and money than Kidd, but she chose Jason instead. She had plenty of 'resources' as you call them, but she chose Jason, a young kid that was already having tons of problems with his first NBA team. Yeah, mb, he was making a name for himself in the NBA... immature, selfish, and very hard to get along with.

The TV cameras go to the Kidd house because they want to to make their shows better, not because Joumana calls and makes them come.

And am I a friend with the Kidd family?? Perhaps... let's just say that I know them on a more personal level than the general public does. They are good people. I think you guys have trouble believing that famous NBA players and their families can be good people that don't need to cheat on their spouses. Kidd has changing so much since he hit his wife. He felt absolutely terrible about it and promised he would to anything to change and become a better person, which he has done. He has matured so much. It is admirable that he worked so hard through his marrital troubles and didn't just take the easy way out by getting a divorce like most guys do... He made a mistake, he hit his wife, and he is going to spend the rest of his life making it up to her. Just because you get angry at someone and then get violent and bad-tempered with that person, doesn't mean that you don't love that person. Kidd didn't know how to control his anger and he took is out on his family without thinking. It happens... some people just have bad tempers and only know how to relieve themselves by getting violent. But with counseling and help, a person can change. Kidd is not a bad guy and deserved that second chance to prove to his wife how much he loved her.

Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 4:58 PM

First thank you carl.
Again Im a true basketball fan so his talent doesn't go unnoticed, however, no1 is perfect in their personal life.
For the person who said if he mentions his first born son in interviews it might open a can of worms, your just as sad. God forbid they might ask him ?'s in regards to his child that he doesnt acknowledge. If he has good intentions all that wouldn't matter. I'm so tired of people defending men who only take care of their children financially. STOP it. For the person who adopted his wifes daughter, I commend you 100%, but children know alot more than we think. Also being that his father is Jason Kidd and his name is Jason Jr. I doubt he is in the dark. And whoever said Jason Jr.'s name is mentioned, they need to go to NBA.com and look again.
Well the person who says they know the Kidds on a more personal level I don't disagree with you when you say Jason has grown alot since he hit her. I think that ordeal woke him up alot. The media does know who she is because they featured some of the ball players wives on ET and amongst wives of players that have been in the league for years she was the youngest. So they know very well who she is. Second whether he was immature or not, before New Jersey, Jason was still ballin'. Jersey just allowed him to shine more. If you look at his stats he was still doing very well.
I understand you all are fans of his game and he has grown tremendously, however on the personal side it's just outright wrong.
Oh also, the men that she dated, believe me if they were to have tried to marry her like Jason, she would have been with someone else famous. Her choices weren't all that tough. You act like she's a goddess or something. She is a pretty women but there are alot of them out there. It's not like she just had all these men waiting in line and she chose Jason. Jason chose her, why do you think she married him so quick? She's no fool. I think your a little biased. I will give them props in some areas, but I think you need to be a little more open minded in your train of thought.

Posted by mb on May 20, 2003 6:56 PM

I think it was explained in an above post why they married so quick. Someone above wrote this:

"According to Joumana, Jason and she tied the knot after only about 4 months of dating in February 1997 because her mother did not think it was a good idea to move to Arizona to live with a guy that wasn't her husband. I have also heard that the Phoenix Suns only allowed wives on the plane, not fiancees, which could be another reason to convince them to marry early. They had a real wedding in August, which is probably when they were planning on getting married in the first place."

Oh yeah, it takes two people to agree to a marriage. They chose eachother. There are plently of other rich, famous guys that would have been happy with Joumana. She dated plently of famous people.

Still, it is ridiculous to assume that Joumana thought she was going to become a media darling by marrying a basketball player that plays in Dallas and Phoenix. Sure, Kidd's stats were nice and he had talent but you could not have predicted that he would reach such a superstar level, expecially after the way he was acting in Dallas. The bottom line is that you're just not going to get recognized at a Suns basketball game, Joumana knew this.

Just cause the kid's name has a jr at the end of it, doesn't mean that he is called Jason, Jr. I think everyone has been saying that here to prevent confusion between the two Jason's. The kid probably has no idea who is father is, and I bet his mother wouldn't tell him. It's not like he's sitting in front of the tv watching Nets games crying because Jason Kidd never talks about him. That's absurd. That kid has no idea who Jason Kidd is and probably doesn't understand the situation anyway.

Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 9:56 PM

Joumana refused to date Kidd for over TWO years after he got drafted. She didn't care how rich and famous he was, she didn't like his attitude... he was arrogant and he thought the world revolved around him.

Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 10:03 PM

Go to www.nba.com. Click on players, Kidd's name, and then Bio... Go all the way down to Personal. There it says:

"Jason has one son, Jason and he and his wife, Joumana, have one son, Trey (TJ), and two twin daughters, Miah and Jazelle."

Okay? There a mention of Jason Jr, which you have been begging for. Have you gone through a similar experience or something?? You seem very passionate about it so maybe you know what it's like. But, you really have to be in the situation to know what it is like. You try explaining to a 9 year old what a biological father is... impossible. You try telling a 9 year old that he must get on a plane for 6 hours to spend time with strangers on the other side of the country. That would scare and confuse the kid more than anything. You do not put that kind of pressure on a young kid that needs to be in a stable environment. As long as the kid has someone taking care of him, he'll be fine. If you don't tell him about being without a real dad, he won't question it at such a young age. I can assure you this because I am in the same situation with my adopted daughter. At this point, it would be wrong to have her real dad in the picture at the same time and I wouldn't want to put her in that situation. It also does not help that Kidd's living conditions are far from solid. In two months, he could be in NJ, or Texas, or California, or Colorado, who knows... How can you have a kid visit your home when you aren't even sure about the location of your own home?? Maybe it could work out when the child gets older, but for now, let him be, don't pull him in two different directions. Look at the big picture, it's not as easy as you think. I understand what you are saying, but Kidd cannot change his lifestyle enough right now to accomodate this kid (like by quitting the NBA so that he can be in California permanently and close to this child). It's not fair to Kidd's family. Kidd most likely has thought this all out and has good intentions so don't worry. End of story.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 12:17 AM

Well everyone has their own opinion. I respect everybody elses opinion. No I havent been through a similiar situation but I know people who have. Nobody knows exactly what the situation is so there is really nothing more to talk about. I still don't feel that it was her parents influence nor being able to ride on the team jet that made her decide to marry Kidd. Nobody is saying he has to give up basketball to spend time with his son, that silly, he could still spend some time off with his son. Also Joumana as a mom could get him and bring him to spend time. Your making it seem like a 9 year old is clueless. My son is 7 and when he was 3 he knew the difference between his father, who couldn't come around that often because he lived out of state, and my boyfriend who takes care of him the way a father should. He loves both and I don't think it is my place to change that. Children have a right to at least know who their real parents are. I wouldn't want him to grow into his teens wondering why his mother never told him who his real dad was so he can grow to resent me. If the childrens fathers are no good, the kids will see that in due time, but I feel don't take knowing their real parents from them to protect them because it could be detrimental in the long run, even if everyone has good intentions. Hopefully you all can agreee. If not oh well.

Posted by mb on May 21, 2003 12:05 PM

To sum everything up, you do what you want to do, you prioritize what you want.

Posted by mb on May 21, 2003 12:15 PM

I agree a 100% with mb.Its ridiculous to think that that boy doesn't have a clue who his father is and if you think that then your crazy.My little sister knew what sex was by the time she was 7.this isn't the 1950 where every one is hush hush wake up its 2003 and kids these age are sexually active know about drugs anything you couldn't imagine children know these days.especially a 9 year old.Its not any of or business what kidd does but all I can say I was in that situation.My stepfather raised me when I was three my real father was in the military and had remarried. he lived in korea and for the longest i thought my stepfather was my real dad.When i was nine i found a old letter of when my mother and father where dating then i found old documents of an old paternity suit which my father was questioning my paternity just to hurt my mother even then i knew what that meant.I ask my mother what it all meant and she told me that my stepfather wasn't my real father and that he lived over seas with his wife and twin sons.You can't imagine the hurt it caused me to believe all these years he was my father and ended up being a lie.I would had loved to know my biological father and my brothers but he was always to busy or thought it would disturb his family.Don't you know it hurts to feel that your not wanted by your own father it sure hurt me so i can imagine how his son may feel.

Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 3:58 PM

Adding on to what i was saying don't you think it's kind of sad that its okay for Jason kidd son not to know who he is.Jason is part of his idendity you can't change that by throwing another man into the mix.Whether he has another man who is his father figure doesn't change the fact jason is his real dad.If jason didn't want a baby he should have kept his pants up or at least protect himself.It works both ways not saying that the mother is not at fault but Jason is the one who seems not to notice that he helped create life nothing can change that and his son shouldn't be punished for his parents mistakes.Another thing Jason kidd is a great ball player But you can't excuse the fact of what he did two years ago and what he probaly had been doing for a while.That incident didn't happen once out of a blue moon it sound like it had been happening for a while.So please don't give me that crap about jason being a saint and joumana being the most wonderful wife.There are women out there prostituting themselves just so there children can eat.hock there jewelery just they'll have gifts under a christmas tree.Im glad joumana likes spoiling her children with gifts but it takes money to do it and you can't tell me that the kidd name didn't help her jump start her career.There are better men than jason who may not have the money or power but would never hit the mother of his children and to me that what makes a great man.

Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 4:33 PM

As a children's psychologist who has worked with many children of separated homes, I would like to say a few things.

Maybe, mb, your child is a genius or at least abnormally intelligent. Maybe you are overestimating your 3 year old's ability to understand the difference between his real dad and your boyfriend. Yeah, maybe he calls him dad, but does he really know what that means? Probably not. 3 year olds don't know what it means to be out of state either. He probably considers his real dad to be sort of like what a kid would consider to be his uncle... Someone that isn't around as much. He may call him dad, but your boyfriend is more of a father figure. When children get into their teens, they don't remember most of what they were told as youngsters. I am not saying that parents should never tell their children who their real parents are, they most definitely should, but it is not absolutely critical to inform them at such a young age. In fact, it can even be beneficial in some circumstances. It's okay for parents to wait until their children are old enough to tell them about biological parents so that they can fully understand what is going on. It's not a bad thing. The child can then be more comfortable in a situation of having to be with two families, so that he doesn't feel like he's being torn into two pieces. (A lot of kids feel like that when they have to be at two homes. A lot of kids even rebel against this and wonder why they can't just stay in one place like all of their friends.) It all depends on your family situation. You have to remember, Kidd does not have a normal life like you and me. In his case, it would be nearly impossible for him to arrange a situation that would be comfortable for Jason Jr unless he lives near the child in California (Which he doesn't and won't until at least after he finishes with the NBA. Even then, who knows.) Do you think Jason Jr will really be comfortable with having Joumana, who he doesn't know, pick him up and bring him across the country to spend time with someone else he doesn't know?? He will be so confused and upset. It's not really fair to put a young child through that. And it was mentioned before that Jason does not have custody of this child and cannot just pick him up when he wants. And the court will not grant that custody until Kidd can prove that he will be living in some type of permanent living condition (which he can't). If Jason does intend to just wait until Jason Jr is a little older so that he can fully comprehend the situation, then I commend him. If not, then maybe there is another reason that we don't know about, you never know. I cannot fault Kidd for how he is handling the situation (even though I don't know what the whole story is exactly.)

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 4:46 PM

that something that should have have been dealt with once he fond out he was the father so i m sorry i don't commend jason in the way he handeled the situation.He has options that what the courts tell fathers when they want to be with thir children but can't stand their mothers.and no one is saying jason jr live his father all im saying all that time he spends on the golf course during his off season can be spent with his son don't jason mother still live in californa you can't tell me they couldn't arrange anything.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:00 PM

Well carl, you, too, must have been an overly intelligent youngster. You really knew what it meant to be overseas or what Korea was?? And you knew what a paternity suit was? Again, perhaps you are overestimating your intelligence as a little kid or maybe you were just really smart.

Carl, the kid deserves to know his identity, but does it have to be done before the kid gets to the fourth grade? no.

Kids at 9 are sexually active and do drugs?? That's ridiculous. And if your 7 year old sister really knew what sex was at that age, well believe me, that is not normal and doesn't happen in homes where parents are responsible and shield their kids from that stuff.

And carl, thank you, because you helped prove my point. You thought as a little kid that your step father was your real dad. That is exactly my point. Kids at such a young age do not understand the concept of having a father living somewhere else. That makes no sense to them. And it would not have made sense to you either, if your mom told you when you were 7 or some age like that.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:04 PM

I agree... even if Jason Jr knows Kidd is his father, I doubt he really knows what that means... The guy that takes care of him in his home is his dad, not some stranger that he sees on tv... He can call Kidd dad all he wants, but that doesn't mean anything to him at that age. Little kids cannot understand that.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:10 PM

When Kidd found out he was the father, he was in no position to take care of a child. He just wasn't ready for it and was trying to start a career in the NBA. That is why nothing was worked out then and if you think disrupting the little kid's life while he is this young is smart, well it's not.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:13 PM

Maybe it will make Jason a better parent if he spent time with his son instead of playing golf, but would the kid like that? The kid would just think it was weird. Let him grow up a little.

Posted by denise on May 21, 2003 5:24 PM

well maybe your not where im from or maybe because i had a difficult child hood and had to mature alot quiker than the average child but know that i am and adult and teach an after school program for kids who are from the range of 4 to 16 you would be shock of what the average youngster knows these days.You should hear some of the things coming out their mouths.Kids do know this kind of stuff maybe it depends on the enviroment.But just two days ago i had to report a 9 year old and a ten year old kissing in the bathroom they told me all the stuff they knew about sex and it shock the crap out of me.But believe what you want all i can say i understood what my mother meant she didn't go all pc on me she told me in a way that i could understand.and yes i knew that korea was faraway exactly what do you think they teach pre teens.you should know alot of it depends on your enviroment and all the things you hear on the radio and see on tv.trust me you can't sheld your child from the real world forever.

Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 5:27 PM

how can you let your child grow up and not let him in on whats going on do you want to wait till he gets older tell him the truth about his father and have him feel he had been left in the dark.You don't want your child being resentful towards you or his father

Posted by dj on May 21, 2003 5:37 PM

so making it into the nba is more important than establishing a relationship with your son?

Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 5:41 PM

The fact that Kidd hit Joumana does not mean he is a bad person. He has a anger problem, yes, but a lot of guys do, not just famous and rich ones. Joumana wouldn't have stayed with him if he was that bad, she could easily walk away at any time and still have plenty of money. And getting divorced from him could probably have made her more famous... She could have written a book about how bad Kidd was and about the horrors of being an NBA wife. And she could have moved to LA to become a model and movie star. She could have focused on her career more instead of supporting Kidd's as much as she has. If you people paid attention to her a little more, you would change your opinion of her and Jason. And the fact that she alluded to previous incidents of abuse when talking to the police could have been to just make the story better... to just make Kidd seem worse than he really is, just because she was really ticked at him at the time. She has also admitted to being an exaggerator that tends to blow things out of proportion. (For example, the whole Boston thing last year where she said the fans were so horrible and like Satan there even though in reality, they weren't that bad.) In the heat of the moment, sometimes you say things that aren't really true... It happens to everyone. Part of me also thinks that Jason and Joumana wanted to stay together and work through their problems because Joumana was pregnant and they wanted that child to have a normal family when he or she was born. That is the most unselfish, loving thing that parents could do for their kids... keep the family together and healthy. How can you find fault in them for keeping their family together??

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:46 PM

To a 21 year old talented basketball player who's world has always revolved around basketball and doesn't know anything about taking care of a child that he didn't really want to have, yes, it is more important to make it in the NBA.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:49 PM

do you see these 10 year old imitating what they see on tv or hear on radios.Should we excuse jason from being absent from his child life because he had promising career in the nba?Why doesn't the rules apply to some people and not to others?I don't want my children thinking all they was to me was money taken out of my pay check.Why are ya'll excusing this man.Would you excuse him if he was just the average man in the streets. and how do we know that this boy has a father figure in his life.How is it in a world that looks down on men who don't take care of their responsibilty that we excuse him what because he's a great ball player.Where does the hyprocrisy ends? why is it different for other men who concieve children and look upon as lowlives when they don't step up onto the plate and take care of their children but its different for him because he provides 3 hours of great ball games please tell me why its different for him and not others?

Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 5:56 PM

dj, I am not saying wait until the kid is 15, I am saying wait until the kid hits double digits at least. So that's means on November 16 when Jason Jr turns 10, someone should tell him who his father is and hope he understands it. It probably will go in one ear and out the other. I remember when my dad told my sister when she was 8 that my mom wasn't really her mom... she didn't really care because she loved my mom and didn't want another one. She didn't get it that my mom wasn't blood-related to her. She didn't know why that mattered and she didn't know what that even meant. She was too afraid to have interest in seeing her real mom at that age so it wasn't really mentioned again for quite a while. But when she was 12, she decided that she was ready to meet her. I'm telling you, when they are older, it is better. You guys are just thinking about Kidd being a good parent, but how about the kid's feelings?? Maybe he doesn't want to see Jason... ever think of that?? Maybe he is comfortable where he is right now and doesn't want to meet up with strangers from the east coast. Can't you respect something like that??

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:00 PM

well then don't need have kid if thats how selfish you are when it comes to your flesh and blood

Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 6:01 PM

what the difference if you wait till he's 10 or tell him when he nine its still all the same.

Posted by dj on May 21, 2003 6:05 PM

point blank, jason will never be the man in my eyes. i don't care if he hit her once you never hit a women theres no excuse for that.

Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 6:09 PM

Carl, you can't tell me that if you were in Kidd's shoes you would have done anything different. If you were a 21 year old star basketball player that has been shielded from the real world forever and thinks that basketball is the only important thing in the world, would you really give up a career in the NBA to take care of a child that you got because you were too careless to use protection while you were messing around?? Of course not... looking back, I am sure Jason thinks that was stupid, but kids are just dumb in college. They have no idea what it means to be a parent. They don't appreciate the gift of life like mature adults do. There are a lot of teens today with babies that just don't want them or aren't ready to have them. It's just immature mistakes that you can't prevent. It's not right to not be part of these children's lives, but imagine if you had a baby when you were young and about to make a name for yourself in life... what would you do?? That's right, you would have done the same thing as Kidd, unless you are a saint.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:10 PM

dj, you gotta make a cut off somewhere so I picked 10.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:11 PM

Carl, the kid was an accident. Jason didn't want a baby! He wanted a good night's worth of sex like a lot of college students want and he ended up with a baby. It's not like he was planning on this.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:15 PM

you reek what you sow.and you have to accept the consequence of your actions.If i was in jason shoes i'll have to say im 21 years old im an adult this isn't a mistake my dad can get me out of.I have to except that i helped created a child and now its time do do the right thing and take care of him.Allen Iverson did it. he wasn't in the nba when his girlfriend had his daughter but yet he still was able to manage to take care of his responsibilties and achieve his goal in playing in the nba.If your old enough to creat a baby your old enough to take of one.And unless you except the fact that alot of kids these days are being raised in a single parent home with out any help from the father or mother it can be a huge impact on how the child grows up and what he sets out to do in life.

Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 10:33 AM

why is there a huge discussion on how jason raises his children.Its none of our business what he does in his private life.And we don't know the whole story.Carl i agree with you on some points because alot of men these days don't seem to understand the whole aspect in what it means to be a father.Shawn kemp was known to father 7 babies how in the world can he be a upstanding parent when he has babies across the country.Jason lived a very isolated life his mother and father shielded him and his sisters from alot of the nasty temptations that life had to offer.But once he got older and was on his own he made dicessions that might not have been the best.He was a horny 21 year old who was just starting off on life and didn't know what he was getting himself into.But remember this it takes two to tango and she could have protected her self as well.Jason is by far not an innocent victim here the child was but jason was probably just as nieve as the baby he didn't know what he was doing.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 10:49 AM

and how can he be upright father when he didn't know how to come about it?

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 10:52 AM

he let his pants drop he didn't wear protection and he concieved a child.I don't care how isolated a life jason had im pretty sure once he started high school he knew how a baby is created and im pretty sure he knew how to prevent a baby.Unless he grew up on planet mars and didn't know what sex was there is no excuse on Why a grown man doesn't know how to be a parent.No body really knows the importance on being a parent when there first starting off.It takes time and energy to really understand.Even joumana said she was unsure in what to do in raising a child when her son was born but she didn't abandon it and give up.She work at it and over time she was able to grasp on how big of a role parents play in their childs life.

Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 11:03 AM

lets just get off the subject because its no reason to get heated about it when its not any of our business in the first place. i think everybody's opinion struck some key points but alright all ready!! Its not a big deal and its not any of our business.we don't know what kind of life jason jr has and untill we do i think we should get off the subject.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:09 AM

I agree.

Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 11:13 AM

and on that note who who in here is a pistons fan.I ask that because detroit is going to be going fishing in a matter of days ha! ha!(:

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:18 AM

what was the big discussion?

Posted by k.d on May 22, 2003 11:33 AM

your kidding right!? you haven't been reading all of the comments people have been posting. If you haven't you have to go back and read because i'am not about explain it.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:40 AM

i just have one final comment.Since jason does have his son name on his nba bio. don't you think then the son knows who he is for all those saying jr. probably doesn't know who jason kidd is.And unless your around jason all the time 24\7 don't give me that crap about knowing jason on a personal level because unless you live with him you don't know what he does in his personal life .he could be an upstanding guy and " changed" his ways like you all say or he could be a mean bully like he was not to long ago

Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 11:47 AM

i was just kidding (:

Posted by k.d on May 22, 2003 11:48 AM

again does it matter if we know jkidd personally or not it is not, i repeat it is not any of our business. its his life let him do what he wants with it. in the mean while for those who may not like him on a personal level leave it alone and go about your business or a least appreciate the leadership and skills kidd gives to the game of basketball.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:53 AM

a child should never be considered a mistake that just flat out mean.

Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 12:04 PM

Allen Iverson is different... He stayed with the woman who had his children. Kidd didn't.

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 12:08 PM

I agree 100% but maybe jason jr. wasn't the mistake and his mother was. you can have love for the child and not like the mother. jason probably has a reason to be bitter so does the mother but its their lives what happen is their business we can't do anything about it so leave it alone.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 12:09 PM

so what about gary payton he had gotten another women pregnant the same time he got his wife pregnant.But he doesn't ignore him even the women who he had the affair with says gary is a upstanding father and takes their son with him whenever he has time which is usually the off season so still give a reason on why jason shouldn't be a father figure to Jr.

Posted by kool b on May 22, 2003 12:15 PM

it depends on the person a since people seem to still want to talk about it im going to say this.jason might have felt trapped.He might have thought that this women was just trying to secure a position on jason kidd money train and kidd felt awkward.it happens and it again depends on what type of person jason jrs. mother was like. she could of been a goldigger or some one who was caught up in the heat of the moment and didn't think clearly.You have to know the person personally before you judge.I'am assuming nobody does so we can't say anything.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 12:28 PM

all im saying is what jason does here and now is going to effect all of his children in the long run.

Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 12:33 PM

You know I am soooo sorry I brought this subject up. These people that are making excuses and scenarios of why he isn't acknowleding his son is ridiculous. Y'all are Jason/Joumanna Jockers! So what do you guys think about Jason saying he's ready to come home and possibly play for Golden State? If he does, and his "father" duties don't change, what excuses will there be then? For whoever said my child must be a genius then I guess he is, and your child would be, hmmmm, a little sheltered maybe. Ms. child psychologist. You better keep a close eye on your children and the ones you council. The ones who are that sheltered are the ones who go crazy once you cut them loose. Even as someone other lame excuse was posted, Jason's family had him sheltered thats why he went crazy and got the girl pregnant. But my comment is, regardless, he did it so step up to the plate. We as mothers aren't expected to just walk away from our responsibility, and men shouldn't either. So just because he didn't want the pregnancy it's ok? WOW, thats deep. I have seen Jason in action back in the day, and even though he has matured, he was something else, even when he first married Joumana. Believe me if she would have been better off divorced, her behind would have left him in minute. That was not the first time he put his hands on her, when she called 911 she said it herself. She likes attention. You didn't hardly see or hear about Joumana until that incident. Ever since then she has been all up on the TV. You go girl. She isn't stupid by any means. You didn't hear her threaten to leave him. It was because of the Phoenix Suns why he went to the anger mgmt. class. Yes he decided to go longer because I do think he was sincere, but still, if Jason was the average Joe, Joumana would have been out, actually she probably would have never fooled with him. As a matter of fact she didn't when he was an average Joe. But I will leave poor lil' Jason and Jouman alone since some of you love them as a people so much (I doubt any of you know him/her on that level though). We will just stick to the fact that he is an excellent ball player and he has come a long way in that area.

Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 1:41 PM

Oops spelling corr, I meant to say the ones you counsel. You know some people like to correct spelling err's. Smooches!

Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 1:44 PM

Yeah Detroit is about to be outta there!

Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 1:47 PM

i agree on what your saying.Believe me!! im a singel mother and my boyfriend didn't do crap for my daughter so i did on my own and she is very content.I just notice people getting a little ancy {if thats how you spell the word(:} about jason kidd's intergrity and I thought what is the big deal its none of my business so it shouldn't be anyone else not just the people who are jason/joumana supporters but also people who has problems with the man.I give kuddos to mb and carl for pointing out the fact that no matter what you have to be honarable and do whats best for the child.its no longer about you any more its about you and the child but at the same token jason seemed really nieve in what he was doing and i don't think he quite comprehend when the women sayed she was pregnant.I think jason was scared and basically let the mother do the care taking.But i don't know the whole story so im not sure myself.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 2:00 PM

with all the news and gossip that circurlated when that little boys paternity was being contested i find it really hard to believe he doesn't know his father.Little children have the biggest mouths so if the adults aren't saying it im pretty sure their children are repeating what there hear their parents say and if jason jr lives in a cage i doubt he hasn't heard anybody speaken of him on his father

Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 2:14 PM

Again i understand what you are saying but i have to say that i was reading some the past post i'am heartbroken that some one would chose their profession over their flesh and blood when you can have it both ways.Mike bibby was a father before he went pro but still was able to manage his obligations as a parent and his obligations as a nba player.And may be Miss brown didn't want motherhood either but did what she had to do for the sake of her child.I got pregnant right before i started college but it didn't change my desire to be a nurse.I'am one now and raise my daughter completely on my own thank you very much(: but it would have been nice for her father to be in her life.He is missing out on alot and i would hate finding him regretting not to have been a major factor in her life.You put your child first despite what you may or may not have wanted.And who says you can't have it both ways.It doesn't have be either its this or that manage a way to have both.There's always a way i know speaking on personal experience.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 2:53 PM

I understand that. i just have have a problem of people speaking of this kid as if he was a stuff teddy bear with no feeelings.This is jason kidd for goodness sake!!He's on tv alomst everyday so its hard for me to believe that this child doesn't notice him especially if he looks himself in the mirror and sees jason kidd's reflection staring back at him.I'am pretty sure the mother told him that he was his father since she was so public about his paternity and im sure when that child support check comes in the mail addressed to jason kidd jr.that it doesn't go unnotice and since jason kidd sr. mother still lives in the area im pretty she has at least seen the boy since he's been born and if not then thats a sad family.

Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 3:45 PM

Dj, listen to yourself your judging a man and his family without even knowing them on a personal level.Who knows what goes on in that family and it is no ones business.I'am saying you can't judge the man without knowing the whole situation first.We don't know what role jason plays in this young mans life and right now i don't think this little boy is all that worried about it "yet". there will come a day when this little boy is going to need his father but untill then let boy have fun let him be a child first don't put to much pressure on a young kid when its not necessary.But unless you know jason don't judge the man we have to know his side of the story before we can do that.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 3:56 PM

your right but some of these so called jason/joumana supporters get on my nerves.

Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 4:01 PM

they have a right to case their point too just like you do.You feel me on that.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:10 PM

Well Tasha I'm sure you are proud of your accomplishment, and being a single mother is a job, I know, I'm one as well. My son's father doesnt help financially at all! But you know what I put all that aside and still allow him to be there because my son loves him dearly and I refuse to take that from him. I'm sure if Jason really wanted to see his son he could. A very close friend of mine has a son by a professional basketball player (a major basketball player) and they don't really get along, but you know what, he makes sure his son is flown to his location or his mothers. He makes sure his son's grandmother, goddmother, assistant flies with his son so he can see him. And this happens on a regular basis, not just post season. So thats why I know if Jason really wanted to spend time with his son he could. Didn't want to have to break it down like that but people keep making excuses for Jason.

Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 4:11 PM

I don't know if jason is a good man i don't know if jason is a bad man i don't know if he is a good parent bad parent faithful husband or cheating husband.all i know is that he is a great ball player and that is all that anybody needs to know. thankyou(:

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:16 PM

believe me i'am the last person to make excuses for this man.I'am just saying that we don't know the whole situation so we shouldn't judge but i agree with you and carl on alot of the things ya'll said. there is no excuse for a man not to form a relationship with his son there is always a way.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:24 PM

mb thankgod you are here because i almost thought i was the only person to feel that way.They speak of jason as if he is the savior and they think joumana is a godess.pleasssssssssssse! there are plenty of beautiful women in the world and joumana isn't the ish.But jason has 4 children not 3 like all of ya'll seem to think and he should be responsible for all of them not just some.Basically, be a man and do your duty as a father to all!!!!! of your children.

Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 4:33 PM

did some one mention my name?

Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 4:47 PM

Okay people lets just except that we all have totally different opinions on this subject and we are not going to agree on anything.Everyone made their point enough said.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:50 PM

just to open another can of worms who believes jason cheated on his wife raise your hand!!!(:

Posted by beamer on May 22, 2003 4:52 PM

I don't know what to believe about this man he seems to put on this act that is totally false.Who would believe that jason would have hit joumana in the first place.Nobody right, he was saying the same crap then as he saying now i don't know what to believe about him

Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 4:57 PM

lets not start the whole jason cheating on joumana thing.a very nice person sent me a copy and even though it sound realistic i don't know if this was just a hoax or the truth and really i don't want to know.

Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 5:01 PM

Another personal opinion. I would say about 90% of the ball players cheat 1 time or another. Shoot, I think Joumana might have went there herself on the under. The wives of the players aren't always innocent either, their stuff is just more undercover. If he's not cheating now he probably has.

Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 5:12 PM

Dj, how do you know that Kidd doesn't have a relationship with Jason Jr now?? Maybe he visits him when he is in the area. He is not obligated to inform the public about his every private move... You have no idea what's going on in his life. Maybe he and the child's mother have agreed to keep the kid out of the spotlight so that he isn't hounded at school so much. Also, keeping him out of the spotlight could keep Kidd's good image in tact, even if he does have a relationship with the kid behind the scenes. I am sure that Kidd does not want to be remembered as a typical NBA player that has a child out of wedlock. He wants to be remembered as a family man. That is why he may not mention him, but that does not mean he never sees him and that he doesn't give a damn about him. Who are we to assume that??? I know that Kidd was not granted custody of the child, so do not place all of the blame on him. The court decides who will take care of the child, not Kidd.

Do you people think that everyone who gives their children up for adoption are bad people, too?? I doubt it... This is the same scenario. People have different living conditions... Do not judge people because of your assumptions.

Involving another kid heavily in his life could disrupt Kidd's real family. That is an uncomfortable situation to be put in and I bet Kidd does not want to burden his family with that... Can you imagine what TJ would think?? He will be wondering if he and his sisters aren't good enough to get full attention from their father. He will be wondering why his daddy has a child that isn't his mommy's. That's not fair to expose him to that now. I think visiting Jason Jr a few times a year is good, and for all we know, Jason may be doing that now. It's none of our business so let's stop picking on him, okay?

And on another note... you people keep referring to the fact that Joumana alluded to previous incidents of abuse by her husband. She may have just said this out of spite, to make it sound worse than it really was. In fact, that is what she told Sports Illustrated. That does not mean that she had been abused before. Don't believe every word that comes out of her mouth... she has publically blown things out of proportion several times and it's very easy to exaggerate a story in the heat of the moment.

Also, you people keep bringing up Allen Iverson, Mike Bibby, etc. Do you realize that they are both still with the mothers of their children?? They never had to worry about cutody battles, paternity suits, criminal charges, etc. They never had to deal with living in a separate state than their kids. They have always lived with their children and their mothers. When they move for the NBA, their kids move, too. You CANNOT compare them to Kidd's situation.

And yes, there are Jason and Joumana supporters out there... Why must we all hate them like you Carl, mb, dj, and a few others?? We can support them if we like. I think they are good people and I don't care if you don't agree with me. I live in NJ and being this close to Kidd has given me a much more in depth look at the Kidd family that maybe you don't get in another state. I think you should do more research on them before you open your mouths. If you don't believe in giving people a second chance to change and grow, than that is dumb. Learn how to forgive people. Yeah, he hit his wife... but he stayed with her and did everything he could to make it better. That is remarkable regardless of whether you see that or not. Money and fame do not buy you happiness, love does. Jason and Joumana could have easily broken up their marriage. If you think that Joumana would benefit from staying with Jason, well try looking at the other side. Jason was not going to gain anything by staying married to her. She couldn't offer him more money and more exposure. Obviously, there was a reason to stay with her and to go through all of the trouble of making himself a better person. He didn't do that for no reason. You people don't believe in love? Maybe you are bitter Detroit fans that are upset because Kidd is currently destroying your team in the playoffs. :)

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:30 PM

When I say criminal charges, I am referring to charges that affect custody of children, just to clarify my above post.

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:34 PM

As a close friend of the Kidd family in NJ, I would just like to say that the way he and his family have acted in the past two years in public is the same way they act behind the scenes in their home. They are not phony and they are not trying to act out a fairy tale story for the public. They are very honest people who are very loyal to each other. When Kidd goes on the road, he catches up on his sleep. He LOVES to take naps and sleep all of the time. He watches tons of movies and baseball games and other basketball games that are going on. He watches tons of tv in general, he's very much on top of things in the world. He not out there looking to mess around with other women. Not at all. He is very devoted to his wife. He calls Joumana from the road all of the time... very frequently, more than once a day. Right after games, he's on the phone with her. Perhaps you guys out there are longing for such a solid, healthy family like they have. You should be happy for them, but if you don't believe their story, then oh well.

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:46 PM

mb, how can you make that assumption??? You have no evidence... you are just stereotyping and it makes you look dumb.

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:49 PM

i am a 14 year old boy from baltimore maryland and i am jason kidds biggest fan in the world so everyone should know that his biggest fan is in baltimore md. shout out to jason kidd "whats up jason i am goning to be at one of ur games in new jersey im going to drive there cuz im ya biggest fan and i want to get ur signutre and my name is steven" alright kiddd peace

Posted by u shook ones on May 22, 2003 6:50 PM

I must agree that JKidd and his wife should make an honest effort to include Jason Jr. I mean c'mon he has his name! If Joumana was really a family oriented and God-fearing woman, the back-bone of the FAM, she would ensure that ALL of the children ( to include Jr.) spend a substantial amount of time together. Hell, while she's posing and cheesing for the cameras ALL DAY EVERYDAY she can take some time out to bring JR. around.....that is if his mother allows it.....which I'm sure she doesn't have a problem with. It's been how many years???????/

Posted by jboogie on May 23, 2003 12:26 AM

Joumana has nothing to do with Jason Jr. She is not his mother. It's Jason's decision as to whether or not the kid should be involved and to what extent he should be involved in his life.

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 12:10 PM

what did the comment say?

Posted by beamer on May 23, 2003 12:33 PM

I think everyones point had some bases to it but if people want to support or oppose jason kidd and his family thats your choice you have the right to do it.But don't assume things and don't bash people because of it.Nobody in here knows the life of jason kidd so we can't really speak of it.I used mike bibby as an example not because he was with his baby momma but because he was a young college kid who was also starting off on life and probaly didn't have a clue on raising a kid.It wasn't to say mike bibby is with the mother of his children why isn't jason kidd? that wasn't my point and if you were confused by that i apoligize.I at least understand why jason doesn't mentions his son it could open pendoras box and thats the last thing i think jason or his wife wants but at the same time jason's image is already hurt people know about his son with another women and im pretty sure joumana knew when she first married jason so bringing up jason out of wed lock son isn't going to change anything especially since everyone knows about him and to say that jason good family man image is more important than his child then im assuming then you are not parents because that is awful to put his image first before his child.And tj miah and jazelle should be just as important to jason as his son Jr. .you have to consider his needs as well and not seperate the two.after all thats jason jr. family too.

Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 12:53 PM

well jason Jr. was jason son long before tj and his daughters so don't give me that crap.second why in the world would you use adoption for an example when jason didn't put him up for adoption .[bad example] third i have the right to my own opinion so don't get angry that i made a strong point about his son stuation.And a tip for me to you if you are to concern about your image and what people think about you than your child make sure you slap a condem on before you have sex.and if joumana is really a good women as you all say she would except jason jr in their lives and realize he needs to be with his father just like her children do and she wouldn't make the situation awkward but embrace his son since he is apart of him and if she loves jason she should love Jr. as well!!! peace out im outta here

Posted by Dj on May 23, 2003 1:06 PM

jason jr is his family

Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 1:07 PM

i meant to say jason jr should be just as important as tj and his daughters.

Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 1:16 PM

so what about gary payton he had a out-of wedlock-son but he didn't abandon him.infact he gotten this women pregnant the same time he gotten his wife pregnant and you can't get any worse than that.his sons are only a few months apart think about it now.But GP's wife excepted gary payton jr into their lives[did i mention they also share the same name]the son gary had with his wife is named gary payton III.he takes care of all of his children and his wife excepted that and it didn't take away his credibilty as a ball player or hurt his image.There is no reason that something couldn't been worked out. besides, his out of wedlock son lives in californa but he flies in to see his father and siblings frequently.Even his wife says i can't punish the child for my husband mistakes that is his son and my childrens older brother and i believe he should be part of this family as well.Anyone who bears children should realize that all of your children should be considered equal and not one is more important than the other.I rest my case.

Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 1:33 PM

okay people can we please get off this subject because no one is going to come to a conclusion.And besides it his life why are we getting upset about it this is none of our concern so just let it go.

Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 1:41 PM

i'am going to say this and then i'am going about my business.For people who are for Mr.joumana kidd i appluade you on your support for them congratulations you're a true fan.But i'am trying to say is that the one who are for him also accept him for being a wife beater being so inconsiderate of this child feelings and basically appluade him because he doesn't regard his first son as his family[way to go ya'll you are awesome people] and if you read the article [which i have you also would have ran on jason mother saying that things were so bad between the two that she stayed away from their home because as she put it "things were a bit chilly" and when they ask joumana what she meant when she sayed " this is nothing compared to what I usually go through" she stuttered and didn't seem to give and honest answer {which was pointed out by the magazine}.But what can i say what you say is not going to change how i feel for the man because i was a huge jkidd fan myself when i relized all that loving crap he was saying about his wife was a bunch of crap since he goes home and hits the crap out of her. what,because he had a bad day at practice.Was that his way to show his effection towards his wife by beating her? well i quess you learn something new eveyday.and to the person saying how it would effect jason kidds "real" family is sad because that boy was his family way before joumana tj, and his daughters so to regard this boy as nothing but a reminder of his past, well he made his bed now he has to lay in it.he should have made better judgement in his actions and now theres nothing he can do about it.just because he is a famous ball player is not any excuse for why this little boy shouln't be part of his family.ask yourself this; what do you tell your children when mommy divorces daddy and remarries and has other children with this man do tell them your children with this man now is more important to me because i'am not with your father? or do you tell them just because mommy and daddy aren't together doesn't mean you are any or less important to me. I love you all the same.you decide.

Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 2:13 PM

Tasha, I was just saying that it is easier to raise a child when you have help from the child's other parent. Even if both parents don't know what they are doing, they can work together to figure it out. Mike Bibby and Allen Iverson stayed with their children's mothers and that made it a lot easier to take care of their kids. Their families stayed together. Kidd didn't have that luxury. He was having major problems with Jason Jr's mother and the court gave the boy's mother full custody. Jason wasn't allowed to take care of Jason Jr. And then Kidd ended up in Texas while the child living in California. Even if Kidd had custody, it is unfair to make the kid get on a plane all of the time to see his father. That will disrupt his schooling, I am sure, and just his daily life. You would not want to be a 9 year old boy that had to constantly get on a plane and has to be away from his friends. That is no fun for a child that is trying to grow in a stable environment. My 8 year old son is scared to death of planes. It makes his ears hurt and he always cries. He would never do that. Think about it, do all of you like being on planes all of the time?? Well, think about a 9 year old, that's even worse. I think a few meetings with Jason Jr when Kidd is in the area is good, but all of the time? That is not realistic and just will not happen. Also, you have no idea if Jason has a relationship already with his first son or not. He might just not want the public to know about it and that is fine. Maybe he is trying to keep the kid's life as normal as possible since he doesn't live with Jason. It's none of our business.

And Gary Payton does have a bad image. He is the stereotypical NBA player... having children out of wedlock, cheating on his wife, going to strip clubs... don't tell me that he has a good image, because he doesn't. I am sure Kidd wants to break the stereotype and get the public to realize that not all NBA players are as horrible as Payton is.

It's not that Kidd is more concerned with his image, it's just that he may want to keep the kid out of the spotlight. He is not obligated to tell you what he does with his first son.

And carl, you know what I mean... When I say family, I mean the 4 people Kidd lives with: his wife, TJ, Jazelle, and Miah. The 4 people he is closest to.

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 2:31 PM

well jason kidd broke that good man image back in january of 2001 and jason also has a track record so whatever image jason kidd tried to portray well he messed up big time so that theory goes out the window.

Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 2:41 PM

well then jason and his bay momma should have came to and resolution if you say that its easier for a child to have both their parents involved and not necessarily be together. im sure jason can provide himself a good attorney for that.Just like when a family divorce they make an arrangement so they can both be a very important fixture in their childrens lives otherwise all children in divorce families must don't have any means to be with their parent because they're to far away please come up with something better than that lame excuse.

Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 2:50 PM

Carl, you have no proof that Jason always beat the crap out of his wife. His mother could just have been speaking of verbal tension that was going on in that house, not necessarily physical fighting.

Joumana EXAGGERATES! A lot!!! Have you followed Kidd at all?? Last year in Boston, Joumana said that the fans were such monsters, that they would say the absolute nastiest things to her. She called them Satan-like and said that they were cruel and needed to get religion. Then, the media interviewed some guy that was sitting near Joumana and he said that the fans were not bad at all, they just chanted wife beater, which may just have gotten Joumana really upset and caused her to blow the story out of proportion. Joumana admitted a couple of weeks ago that the fans really weren't that bad last year in Boston and that most of them were actually nice and appreciative of Jason's basketball ability. Like I said, it the heat of the moment, you tend to make more of a situation than there really is.

Also, when Kidd was with the Phoenix Suns and Joumana got a call that said Jason made the U.S. National Team, Jason didn't believe Joumana's information and had to hear it for himself because he knows she exaggerates a lot of things.

So just don't believe everything that comes out of her mouth in that police call.

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 2:52 PM

oh so joumana is a liar that figures as much.

Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 3:04 PM

at least gary payton takes care of his responsibilties unlike some people.

Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 3:05 PM

You're still not answering me, Carl...

The only way that Jason can see his kid on a frequent basis is if the kid flies in. Would you want to be on a plane that often if you were a kid?? Would you?? I want to hear your honest answer to this question. I am a grown adult and I would not want to be on a plane that much... What a pain in the ass that would be. Like I said, my 8 year old son would NOT stand for it. He has nightmares about planes and they make him physically ill. Not all kids would be okay with all of that traveling and to force that upon your kids is just wrong. And you don't care about Jason Jr's education??? He needs to be in school!!! He can't be on a plane all of the time flying across the country!! That would be permanent jet lag and a hell of a lot confusion. Maybe some NBA players have tried that, but is is wrong. That is not a normal thing that a kid should have to go through. A few visits would be nice, but Kidd may already be doing that, you just don't know.

Jason and his son's mother didn't come to that conclusion because they HATED each other!!! The mother told the court that Kidd was abusive and not suitable for fatherhood. And you know what, he wasn't ready, he had to grow up and get his head out of the clouds. Kidd thought he was invincible in college, like most college kids do, thinking 'there's no way I can get a girl pregnant.' That was the furthest thing from his mind. Jason was not a typical guy in college like you were. Decisions that you would have made about being a responsible parent are not decisions that flow through the mind of a soon-to-be NBA player that is suffocating in the world of basketball with no proper guidance. It was a different situation... It does not mean that Kidd is a bad person. He was just in a surreal environment and you, nor I, know what it is like. The atmosphere that a person is in influences many of his decisions... people try to pull you in various dirrections. It's just a different world.

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 3:12 PM

why are we still arguing about this.this is ridiculous to say the least.Whoever tried to explain to me about their comment i appreciate it.thank you for clearing it up.on that note i have to disagree with both jason/joumana supporters and people who oppose him because everyone is goning on he say she stuff and don't have valuable proof of anything.Please stop!like i have been saying what jason does with his family is his business.We don't live with the man so don't go on stuff based on what you may or may not of heard.And last and but not least lets leave the poor kidd alone i seriously doubt that jason kidd wants his fans discussing his personal life so please everyone!!!!! leave it alone.

Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 3:14 PM

Rain, you have no idea what Jason is doing with his first son behind the scenes. You do not know whether or not he is taking care of his responsibilities. Just because Payton makes it public, doesn't mean Kidd has to.

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 3:14 PM

Joumana's an exaggerator, not a liar... two completely different things... She makes stories bigger than they seem at times. Don't put words in my mouth.

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 3:16 PM

then jason kidd son don't have to fly to see him why don't jason go out to see him since he goes there to see his family anyway.and your the one who's being the hypercrite because was it you that said that jr. probably didn't know jason kidd and was it you that said jason kidd probably doesn't know how he looks like but now all of a sudden he probably goes to see his son make up your mind man!

Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 3:20 PM

well you don't know either so it doesn't matter what i say

Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 3:22 PM

so she is willing to make jason seem more of a bad guy than he really is.what great way to show you care about some body

Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 3:24 PM

every one say your last comment and move away from this subject pleassssssssssssssse!

Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 3:27 PM

I apreciate his skills but as the rest goes im sorry he needs help

Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 3:29 PM

bottom line own up to your responsibilties

Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 3:30 PM

anyone else make a point or foever hold your hand(:

Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 3:31 PM

Bottom line... you people have no idea what's going on in Kidd's life. You don't know whether or not Jason Jr knows who is father is or whether or not Kidd has a relationship with him. So forget it. You can't call him irresponsible unless you have facts and evidence. Case closed.

Carl, when you get mad at someone, don't you sometimes say things that aren't true and that you regret?? Joumana, at the time of the domestic abuse incident, was obviously very mad at Kidd. She wanted to make him look bad at the time so that the cops would come and get him out of the house quickly. That didn't mean they didn't love each other, it just was that they were arguing a lot, got caught up in it, and said some things that they wish they could take back. When you're going through a crisis, you don't really think before you say things and you don't realize what the consequences of your actions are.

And Carl, Kidd did get help... lots of it. He went to intense counseling and continued the counseling well after the court said he could stop! To this day, Kidd still speaks with a counselor. He admitted to having anger problems and was willing to do anything to fix them. He's doing everything he can possibly do to make the situation better and to make sure it never happens again. He never took the easy way out by getting a divorce like most people do. He wasn't going to let anything get between him and his wife. He worked through it and he and his wife are very happy now. I admire him for that and if you had a heart, you would too. I know you don't condone spousal abuse, and no one should, but you have to realize how hard Kidd has worked to change his ways so that it won't happen ever again. That is all that he can do... he can't go in the past and take it back no matter how badly he wants to. Kidd himself said that you cannot condone an incident like that and all you can do is move on and become a better person. Doesn't he deserve a second chance or is he supposed to stop living because he made a mistake?

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 7:53 PM

Oh yeah, and all you Kidd haters must be Detroit fans... or Milwaukee fans or Boston fans or any other team that the Nets crush :)

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 7:56 PM

Joumana Kidd is a Terrorist-American? Dang. Oh, well. Who cares? Sure, she's hot NOW, but in a few years, Jason's beatings will leave her disfigured anyway, so it doesn't really matter anyway. On a side note, is it just me or does their son look like "Mr. Mackey" from "South Park"?

Posted by Sam on May 24, 2003 7:23 PM

Sam, are you a Detroit fan by any chance?? You must be a fan of some team that the Nets kill.

Posted by Anonymous on May 24, 2003 7:49 PM

Well I'm back and sorry to see some more pathetic excuses. Just have some more info for the "friends from Jersey"
My friend is good friends with Alexandria's boyfriend who has been with her since Jason Jr. was about 6mo old. Jason Jr. does call him daddy, but, Jason Jr. was going to see his father on a regular up until Phoenix. Shortly after he married Joumana is when he stopped sending for him. So that pretty much shuts down the theory that Jason Jr. doesnt know who his father is. The father figure is very much involved, that is his family. He goes to all his sports events and takes care of him, but again he know who Jason is and used to spend time with him.
Oh did you know that Jason also has a daughter by his old girlfriend, for real girlfriend that he was with in college? I didn't even know that. He used to spend time with her also until Joumana and the new children. He's just so whupped it's pathetic.
Joumana might be sweet and all but she was a loose goose in the town, it was no secret. Anyone who thinks different is silly. I have even less respect now. No kudos for Jason. They are both so fake. Joumana as a woman should step up to the plate damn it and Jason is just outright pittiful!!
THEY ARE BOTH FAKE, FAKE, FAKE!
Yes Gary might do some things he shouldn't, but he and Monique take care of his kids regardless. Jason is no saint. And he can't handle his alcohol.
You Jersey folks need to get a clue. You know the front not the real. Of course he's going to act like Mr. Suburbia, and we know Joumana is a good actress so it works. People kill me how they support famous folks when they are not handlin' their business, just because their famous and have a little paper, just a shame. If he was living in the ghetto or just an average Joe you all would tear him apart.
So for all the Jason/Joumana Jockers there you have it. Oh and for the child psychologist, I gues Jason Jr. is a genius also since he has been knowing who his biological father is too. Where did you get your degree?
Well now that Jersey has swept Detroit (go Jersey, I do still want them to take it), he can call his other Kidd's (haha joke get it Kidd's ?) and say hi, since he will have a little break. He sure made sure TJ and Joumana all up on the camera. Oh and for the person who said it would be too hard for poor little Joumana to have the twins at the game also. Um they have something called a nanny, yeah they do. I'm told they help out when you have numerous children. They also have something called the skybox, you know, other wives sit up there with their friends and family sometimes. Oh but I forgot Joumana has to be in the camera so that wouldn't work. I can't even be open minded on the subject anymore because it's just pathetic!

Posted by mb on May 25, 2003 12:41 AM

mb, the only thing pathetic here is you. What part of the fact that Kidd was not granted custody of Jason Jr don't you understand?? He was not allowed to have the kid in his possession, so stop making up stories and telling us how your friend's, mom's, aunt's, mailman's, dog knows so-and-so and he said that Kidd was allowed to have Jason Jr with him. And he doesn't have another daughter, sorry, don't make stuff up. You just want to make it sound like Kidd is so "whupped" as you put it, and that he only stopped being with his children because of his wife. You're just trying to make Joumana look like a bad person. Maybe you wish you could have a wife as supportive as her.

What's wrong with celebrating with your family after winning the eastern conference championship?? All of the players had their wifes and kids out there, not just Kidd. The cameras were just there, it happens. I saw Kenyon with his son, Bryon with his wife and kids, Lucious with his son... Just because the media is around, doesn't mean that Kidd or any other player shouldn't be allowed to share the event with their family. There doesn't always have to be an agenda for having your family around. In fact, anyone who doesn't try to include their wife and kids (if they're old enough) in something as special as that is sad. As for the twins not being there... they are 1 year old and belong in bed, not at a game till midnight where they have no idea what's going on. (Well, TJ belongs in bed too, but at least he knows a reasonable amount of what's going on and he knows how to behave and he can stay awake at that time of night.) It would be meaningless to the girls. They are not old enough to enjoy it yet like TJ can. You say you want them at the game but then you criticize Kidd for having his family there?? Geez.

And no one said that kids are geniuses for knowing who their fathers are. They are geniuses because they know what sex is and what it means to be blood-related and what it means to be a "real" dad. You totally missed the point of that, dude. Try reading more carefully.

And Kidd can't handle his alcohol??? What college kid can?? Yeah, Kidd drank excessively in college but is he a drunken idiot now? Of course not.

You must be a Detroit fan. You should just stop talking because you sound more and more ridiculous every time you post.

Posted by Anonymous on May 25, 2003 1:10 AM

Okay, mb, you are right... Jason and Joumana are scum and should go kill themselves. You changed my mind about how I feel about them with your made-up story. :: roles eyes :: mb, go play in traffic where you belong and stop picking on a basketball player and his wife that you don't even know. I smell jealousy. :)

Posted by Anonymous on May 25, 2003 1:16 AM

If you can't be real with your close friends, who are you going to be real with?? How miserable it would be to have to be fake all of the time. I believe the person that posted here who is a good friend of the family in Jersey and I thank that person for speaking up and shedding some light on the situation.

Posted by anne on May 25, 2003 1:20 AM

i saw jason's wife joumana on tv the other day.she was on cnn and they were showing different clips of her and their son tj.you can't tell me the she doesn't have a love affair with the camera she needs to go sit somwhere because nobody wants to see her everyday on the hour every hour.

Posted by hector on May 27, 2003 11:24 AM

Yeah, she likes the camera... Big deal. She majored in communications in college. People like that are going to want to be near cameras. But is she the one asking these people to take pictures of her?? no. They are the ones that want to take pictures of her, and I don't blame them, she is very attractive. Those seats that she and TJ sit in are a gift from a season ticket holder... She is not going to change her seats. What is wrong with seeing the wife of the player that means absolutely everything to the Nets organization on TV?? She is very supportive and I think it's great that she likes to go cheer him on at every game.

Posted by frank on May 27, 2003 11:39 AM

but you don't see other highly profiled player's wives squeezing the life out of a tv camera and bet their more attractive than her.

Posted by hector on May 27, 2003 12:37 PM

I'am not saying jason kidd didn't change his ways for the better i'am just stating the fact jason is no saint as you and some others seem to think.He made mistakes everybody does but if i was jason i don't want to be placed on a pedistal and do some thing that might not be acccepted by my family,friend,and fans because they may not be so willing to forgive him the next time.bottom line don't put him in a catagory of a perfect family when they probaly aren't. things just dont blow over in 2 years time you have to work at it for while and even when you do think things changed theres things life still has in store for people like kidd.good or bad.just don't potray this man as a perfectionist or an idle of the perfect family man and devoted husband and father when theres clearly things he still has to work on.

Posted by carl on May 27, 2003 2:06 PM

as for anonymous i really think you are love sick for joumana or you just want make her your sex slave because you sound almost like overly obsessed love sick puppy every time you talk about her.Does she pay you for the nice comments or you genuinly think she is just the perfect wife.you all ways say how supportive and beautiful and kind and sweet and friendly she is.You even corrected someone who spelled her name wrong.she's not your wife so get over yourself i doubt she would even notice your support.And if she is all that as you say, she would be more than happy to welcome jason's one night stand son into the family .Oh thats right stepmothers don't care for bastard children because thats not her fault that jason made a child with someone other than her.get over your self man there are better women out there than joumana kidd.

Posted by carl on May 27, 2003 2:19 PM

and tj shoudn't be up at midnight watching games especially since he goes to school in the morning and tj was going to jason basketball games the minute he could stand up which was less than 1yrs.probably.and just because jason's other two kids are girls they wouldn't like watching their father play.Hello can we say wnba please.Get a life man and stop worrying yourself about kidds good name.and doubt he even knows who you are.

Posted by carl on May 27, 2003 2:27 PM

oh yeah,you better think twice before you call someone pathetic because your obsession with joumana is weird.

Posted by carl on May 27, 2003 2:29 PM

how do you know jason has another daughter?

Posted by becca on May 27, 2003 2:36 PM

how was joumana a "loose goose" as you say?

Posted by becca on May 27, 2003 2:39 PM

becca, don't listen to him... he's full of crap.

Posted by Anonymous on May 27, 2003 10:33 PM


This is Frank, otherwise known as 'anonymous'. So you're saying I should hate Joumana Kidd because you do?? I'm lovesick for Joumana?? What are you smoking? I corrected the way the person spelled Joumana's name because I thought he was doing it on purpose to show his hatred toward her. Joumana's name is on this webpage a million times... You have to be very stupid to repeatedly spell it with 2 'n's... How would you like if I kept spelling your name karl??

Hector, Joumana doesn't squeeze the life out of the camera. She happens to have a television career. That is what she was planning to do her whole life. The nature of her field means that she is going to be around cameras more and is going to be more popular.

The media at Nets games chooses to take pictures of her and TJ. They, unlike you, actually think it is nice to see her always there for Jason. I am not the only one that says this. Many Nets fans feel the same way. Joumana happens to go to all of the Nets home games. Most player's wives don't even bother showing up at their husband's sporting events, even if their husbands are highly profiled. When is Kobe's wife ever at games? Rarely, and to me, that makes Mrs Bryant look like she doesn't give a damn about her husband. She's just glad to have Kobe's money.

Everyone has their own opinion about who's attractive and who's not. I just haven't seen a wife in the NBA that is as good looking as Joumana, and many people agree. Think about it... who is better looking in this league? Again, it's my opinion and I could care less if you agree. That does not mean that I worship her or that I am obsessed with her. That is so immature and ridiculous. Just because you have nothing nice to say about her doesn't mean that I don't. It's just nice to see such a supportive wife.

I never said she was perfect, or even close to perfect. Of course she has flaws, everyone does. I said she showed her love, dedication, and support by being at all of her husband's home games and rooting him on. That's all I said. And Jason himself said that he was 'a work in progress' and that he was still growing and changing. It doesn't happen overnight, I know that. I never said he was perfect either, but you have to admit he has come a long way. I don't think he is a saint like you think I do, carl (or should I call you karl?), but he is not a horrible person. I am not allowed to think that he is a good person? Jason can still be devoted without being perfect, you know that right?

Joumana is very involved in her husband's career, which is a good thing, and that makes her more open to criticism from people like you. Carl, I am guessing you're a teenager because you speak with little intelligence or maybe you just wish your significant other would be around more for you. Or, like I said before, you must like a team that the Nets kill. What NBA team do you like, Carl??

As for TJ, he went to the games in Phoenix when he was very young because the Kidd family did not have a nanny. They were uncomfortable with leaving him with a nanny there. A child should be around their parents as much as possible in his/her first years, not with nannies. When you have multiple kids, that becomes a lot harder. Luckily, the Kidds have found very good child care in New Jersey and have the luxury of leaving their very young daughters at home during games.

Like I said, 1 year olds have no idea what is going on and do not have to be at Nets games. (Even though the twins have gone to some this year.) It would really not benefit them whatsoever.

Carl, you must not follow the Kidds at all. Joumana said just last week that on Nets game nights, TJ is allowed by the principal to attend afternoon sessions of school the next day so that he doesn't have to get up early. His principal said that keeping TJ away from the games, which he loves, just because of school would cause him to resent it. No child should hate school at that age. The Kidds are not stupid, they have thought issues like this through, contrary to your belief. Joumana was concerned with TJ's lack of sleep, so she addressed it with the school. You just think they are complete morons. They are not perfect, but good people.

Posted by frank on May 27, 2003 11:34 PM

First of all you need to read more carefully, the person that said they were a "child psychologist" did say that kids don't understand what a father is until approx 9years old.
Also what part did I say I didn't understand about custody?? Just because Alexandria has custody doesnt mean Jason Jr. wasn't able to visit his father, and he was for a while while Jason was playing for Phoenix. You can clown all you want about how I get my information but I guarantee it is true, unlike your made up stories. This is from the man who takes care of Jason Jr., unlike his father who dropped the ball.
And he does have a daughter by his old girlfriend Amy.
If you don't believe me, check all the info out yourself. Oh but you wouldn't do that since you love the Kidd's so much. No I'm not a Detroit fan, if YOU read I said I want Jersey to take it. (Boy for someone who is talking about someone else not reading you sure haven't been reading yourself)
Man I'm kind of worried for you, you are getting a little hot under the collar there. I will leave the Kidd's alone, don't want to make you cry.
I'm not taking anything from the way Kidd plays. I will say the same about any athlete who doesn't take care of his children and neglects them. It's just hard to watch such a great player on the court, then when he's done, you see him and his so called "perfect" family smiling for the camera and you know his other children are neglected. So if Joumana and Jason ever split and he remarried another woman, would he neglect TJ and the twins? It kind of makes you wonder.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 12:01 PM

Also for the person who is talking about TJ and school. How bad can he hate school @ 3? They cut and paste paper for goodness sake. They do learn other basics also. It is too late for a child to be up. Heck when they won the east, TJ was in a daze, he didn't understand the difference between that game and any other game, so it isn't necessary for him to stay up that late.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 12:16 PM

Oh and by the way since you correct spelling so much, in your statement "all the players have their wifes with them" the correct spelling would be wives. But I guess the only thing you really know how to spell is Joumanna or Kidd.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 12:40 PM

Also just for the record, Kobe's wife does go to almost every game as well as Doug Christies wife, you just don't see their face in the camera every minute.
And sorry but Grant Hill's wife Tamia can run circles around Joumana. At least she's all natural, unlike Joumana with her fake chest, nose and lipsuction. I personally thought she was much prettier and unique looking when she lived in the bay area before she had all that work done. And since you seem to think my information is unreliable, get an old picture of Joumana when she was a hostess @ Geoffreys in Oakland or a Bud girl. Kobe's wife is pretty also. Sweetie get off Joumanas jock for a minute and come back to reality. There are alot of pretty NBA wifes out there.
I'm starting to think you are Joumana posting these comments. Are you?? If your not it sounds a little creepy when you come to her defense like you live with her or something. Either that or you just follow her from town to town.
For Becca, I know Joumana was loose because I'm from the town (Oakland) and when people get around, men will talk. There were lots of rumors, I don't know how many of them were true, but I'm sure not everyone was lying. Some were the same stories from different people.
The thing I know for sure is about the children and thats why I don't have any respect for him as a person. As a ballplayer, he's excellent.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 1:02 PM

mb, If Vanessa Bryant's face isn't always on camera, how do you know that she is at almost every home game? Oh yeah, you don't... You just made that up. She is not at almost every home game. I know that because I am good friends with Vanessa's close friend from her high school, Huntington Beach, and we speak frequently. And I don't think she is that pretty at all. But that's just my opinion. Tamia, yeah she's very pretty, but I prefer more exotic women, arabic, rather than blacks. Again, just my opinion. Are there any other Arabic women in the NBA? I don't think so. Like I said in my post above, just because I think someone is attractive and a seemingly good person does not mean that I am obsessed with her or that I worship her. That's dumb. I don't have to pretend to hate her just because you do. I don't think she or Jason is perfect, nor do I think they have the perfect family. No such thing exists. I know they have their problems, who doesn't?? Why can't I stick up for her?? Do I really have to agree with you that she is no good? You won't change your opinion, so I won't change mine.

Yeah, and I see you are still spelling her name 'joumanna', just to show that you hate her. Thank you for catching my error, but you intentionally keep spelling her name wrong! You must have a close connection to her. Maybe she did something to you in the past that caused you to think she is a bad person. Did she date your best friend or something?

Lipsuction?? Where do you get this stuff?? Breast implants and a nose job, okay, those are obvious, but lipsuction?? I don't have an old picture of her, do you? Do you compare her present features to the features in the photo? I'm confused. Do you have any other info? You seem to know a ton about Joumana.

If you tell TJ that he can't go see his father play basketball because of school, he is going to hate school, no matter what they do, cut and paste paper or have a three ring circus with clowns and elephants, it doesn't matter... He will hate school because it takes away his favorite thing.

Mb, you're confused. The person said that a child knows who his real dad is by that time, not what it means to be a biological parent. That would mean the kid would have to know what sex is and what blood related is, things like that. A nine year old does not know those things under normal circumstances.

And when you do not have physical custody of your child, you cannot have him coming to your home for regular trips. That would defeat the purpose of not having custody. And now you're saying Kidd had Jason Jr visiting him in Phoenix?? Well, he was married to Joumana by then, so that ruins your theory that Joumana didn't want Jason Jr around.

The man that takes care of Jason Jr has told you a lot. Do you have any other info?? That man really knows the names of Kidd's old girlfriends that he had children with? Wow.

And where could I research this info?? It is not available. There are plenty of articles about Jason Jr and Alexandria, but Amy and a daughter? No, not one. I am sure that would have leaked out by now. There is no reason to believe that since no one seems to know about it except for you. Don't you think someone would have found out about this by now and announced it?? Like I said, there is plenty of stuff about Jason Jr, but no one else. If this is legit info, then I thank you for sharing. It's really quite interesting and I would like to know more.

I DID read that you said you want Jersey to take it... That doesn't mean that you are a fan of the Nets. You could be a bitter Philadelphia fan that wanted the Nets to beat the team that eliminated them. Something like that.

Are you really giving Kidd a fair chance here?? Do you really know enough about the situation to make the judgement that Kidd is simply ignoring his first son by choice?? Can you really assume that Kidd is a bad person from the little info that you know? I still can't tell if the story you are telling is legit. It sounds a little weird to me.

Posted by frank on May 28, 2003 5:11 PM

And you can put down Kidd all you want, doesn't bother me, but just try to be fair about it. You don't know the whole story... Only those close to Kidd do.

I can criticize Jason Kidd, too. He isn't a good communicator (even though he has gotten better). He has had trouble solving problems without using violence in the past (this has gotten better as well). He has at least 1 child out of wedlock, not a good thing, but typical behavior from an immature college kid. He drank too much in college and got himself in a lot of trouble with car accidents and fights because of this drinking. See?? He's not perfect, but does that mean he can't be a good person? No. Should I stop supporting him even though I like the guy? No. Should I stop thinking he is a good person? No. He has changed for the better and nothing cannot be done to fix his past mistakes. He's still not perfect and he never will be, but he is better than what he was.

Posted by Anonymous on May 28, 2003 5:23 PM

Correction... The second to last sentence should read,

He has changed for the better and nothing CAN be done to fix his past mistakes.

Sorry for any confusion.

Posted by frank, or anonymous, whatever u prefer on May 28, 2003 5:25 PM

Well I have seen Vanessa Bryant on TV and she did have a hard pregnancy so some of the games she didn't go to while she was pregnant I'm sure. Now you are talking about info from the mailman's cousin and what not. Yeah righ you talk to her friend. OK. Uh Huh whatever.
And 3 people verified that Amy has a daughter because I hadn't heard that myself so I asked a few other people. And for the record, it wasn't the person who takes care of Jason Jr. who told me about Amy. It was a friend of hers.
Second your eyes are so red with rage you can't read obviously because I have been spelling her name with 1 n, not that it really matters, but since you are so passionate about her out of respect for your feelings I did correct it but obviously that doesnt matter because your really not paying attention.
No I don't have a picture of Joumana, however I live in the bay and used to see her alot.
Oh so you must be Arabic or have an infatuation with them, thats why your about to jump through the screen on me for having any type of opinion about Joumana.
I know my information is legitimate and my opinion is my opinion as well as yours is yours. You don't have to get so upset, chill out and get a life of your own. And I don't believe I ever said Kidd is a bad person I just said I don't have respect for him on a personal level, I think he is weak.
Also I corrected myself in saying Jason stopped visiting Arizona around TJ being born.
So I guess people that have full custody (like myself) can't go visit their other parents? That's ludicrous. You can be granted full custody for child support purposes or whatever else the court deems necessary.
You are blowing this whole thing out of proportion and you need to stop. You know a different side of the Kidds which is obviously a good side, thats great. If they were all that great you wouldn't get so bothered about what I know or my opinion towards them, nor would you wonder how or what I know. You only know as much as they will allow you to know, point blank period.
By the way my true team is the Trailblazers, so there is no alterior motive in wanting the Nets to go all the way. I never said I was a Nets fan, but I don like Jason, Kenyon and Byron Scott as a coach. Don't read into that subject as you have the subject of Kidd's character.
Calm down. Breathe. Relax.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 5:35 PM

Attention: correction to make frank happy.
I meant to say do like Jason, Kenyon and coach Byron Scott. Wouldn't want him to attack me about that.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 6:28 PM

Also frank to answer you question,(you really need to calm down before you post anything else) no I don't know of any other Arabic women in the NBA. As a matter of fact, I don't know of any other women in the NBA period. You sound a little prejudice.
Also you never saw anything saying I said Joumana didn't want Jason Jr. around, your so quick to come to her defense you don't even know what you are talking about.
By the way Jason was drinking way after college man.
Are you from Jersey or something? If you lived in the Bay you would know these things also. Then again you would probably be in jail because you would try to beat up anyone who had a negative opinion about Joumana.
Also Joumana is naturally thick. You don't get that thin with no hips by just working out. If she went under the knife for her nose and chest, I'm sure she did for her hips and thighs. Again I think she was prettier before, now she is still pretty but she looks so Hollywood thin and not as unique as she was before.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 6:38 PM

We must be talking about two different types of custody. Alexandria Brown has sole physical custody of Jason Jr, which by definition means that one parent is given sole physical custody and the child remains with him/her and the other parent is excluded from having physical custody of the child (typically when the other parent has abused or neglected the child). Jason was not granted by the court to have the actual, physical right to be with his son. He just couldn't have him coming to Dallas to visit. No ifs, ands, or buts. PHYSICAL custody is very different than legal custody.

Like I said, I am completely aware that Kidd has his faults. I don't think that he or his family are all perfect and are God's greatest gifts to the earth. I don't worship them. But still, does that mean Kidd isn't a good person? You say you don't respect him, but isn't that the same thing as saying he is not a good person?? While you don't like him off the court, I do. His past is his past, he can't change it. I judge him according to how he has changed for the better and how he has grown in the past couple of years. However, that does not mean that I am oblivious when it comes to his past. I am curious about it since I don't have as many ties to Kidd as you do. I don't know enough about his past to judge him based on that. That is maybe why I show so much support for Kidd, because no one here really knows what his life and circumstances are, yet everyone is quick to hate him.

Do you really know enough personally about Kidd that justifies your lack of respect for him? Maybe you really do know a lot of information about Kidd's private life, but that seems unlikely. Why would Alexandria's boyfriend know about Kidd's old girlfriend and his daughter?? That's odd. And why would he share this info with you?? No one else seems to know. You must really be close. In that case, maybe you could get together with him and tell us what Jason Jr looks like. A lot of people here would really like to know.

And I am sorry if I may have confused you with Carl. You two have similar viewpoints. He is the one that has been consistently spelling her name wrong. I appologize for that.

I am not Arabic at all. I just like arabic women more than black women. That is all. I am not obsessed with Arabic people and I do not just isolate myself to women of that background. Not everyone has to find Joumana attractive. Everyone has a different opinion when it comes to women.

So you do see other wives on TV! You make it sound like only Joumana manages to get her face in the cameras. And naturally, you will see Joumana more because she goes to more games.

I am fully aware of Vanessa's difficult pregnancy. But even before she got pregnant, she did not attend many games and showed little interest in her husband's career. She was more interested in making jewelry, fashion design, things of that nature, instead. Believe what you would like, but I am close with Vanessa's friend from high school. Out of respect, I will not mention the woman's name, but if you still have your doubts, I could perhaps mention the name to you privately and you could do the necessary research to prove it to be true. But, I am sure you have a life and would rather not do that.

I am from the Bay Area as well. Considering how many people live in Oakland, it is amazing that you have so many Kidd connections. You know Jason Jr's mother's boyfriend and you know a friend of the mother of Kidd's supposed first daughter. Plus you know many other people that know that this Amy girl has a daughter with Kidd. Yet, this has never been revealed publically. That's impressive. This story makes Oakland seem like a small village of 50 people where everyone knows each other and everyone else's business, yet nothing leaks outside of this tight-knit circle.

Posted by Frank on May 28, 2003 7:10 PM

Mb, no need to correct your spelling mistakes. I was just annoyed over having someone spell Joumana's name wrong a million times on purpose just as a symbol of hatred towards her. That's all. I won't pick on your spelling errors if you don't pick on mine :)

Posted by Frank on May 28, 2003 7:15 PM

She has always seemed petite to me. You really think she had work done on her hips and thighs, too? Arabic people tend to be thin.

I'm not prejudice. I have dated women from all different backgrounds. However, I tend to lean towards darker, more exotic women. That is why I prefer Joumana.

Mb, I thought you were the one trying to prove how whupped Jason was. You said that Joumana didn't want Jason Jr around and Jason listened to her request like always. You tried to make it sound like she was dominating his life. Now you are taking it back. hmmm.

Again, you can have a negative opinion about Joumana... I have a few myself. But do I hate her and think she is fake, fake, fake, like you do? No. And I don't have to think that way. There is nothing wrong with my opinion and nothing wrong with yours. I am not from NJ, but my sister lives out there so I visit often. The local media there follows Kidd very closely. They talk about the good side of Kidd as well as the bad. Maybe you haven't had a chance to look at the good side of him and only judge him on his past. I live in Alameda, where Kidd is from, yet I do not have half the connections to Kidd that you do, although I wish I did.

I know about Jason's excessive drinking. He drank really bad in college and when he played for Dallas, too. I meant college age, which he was when he played for Dallas, not just when he was in college.

Posted by Frank on May 28, 2003 7:38 PM

First lets get this straight, I don't know Alexandria's boyfriend, my friend is close with him and he knows Amy as well. I am from Oakland and I never heard of Amy's child until recently. But I do know alot of Jason Jr. You can believe what you want and obviously you like the Kidds, thats great. I'm not the only person who has that opinion of him or Joumana, however I am the only one who is writing on this forum. I don't need to know much more about Kidd, but what I do know about his being a father, I don't respect. Treat all your children the same and make them feel love and wanted regardless. Jason Jr. did visit him regularly on the off season and sometimes during, thats a fact.
Also the only way I knew what Vanessa looked like was was through television. I just recently stopped seeing her during her pregnancy. I really could care less and am a bit tired of talking about it. I don't know Jason to not like him, but I do know enough about his absence in his childs life to not have respect for him. So no it isn't the same.
Thats it thats all.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 7:43 PM

All Arabic women aren't thin either. Some are thick and hippy.

Posted by mb on May 28, 2003 7:46 PM

how is tawanna iverson;s pregnacy going

Posted by karen jones on May 28, 2003 7:50 PM

I was reading a article once on the internet and it was on the actress Gabrielle union. the interviewer asked her what was the most embarassing thing that happened to her and she answered when i was in high school i was dating jason kidd and he dumped me in front of the whole school and in front of her dad.

Posted by anonymous on May 28, 2003 9:09 PM

So Jason stopped seeing his son because Joumana wanted him to? Anyone know this for sure? Did anyone follow Kidd's career in Dallas close enough to know if Jason Jr was even in his life? I, too, read that Kidd did not have physical custody of him, which would mean he could not have the child with him in Dallas. But I don't know.

Posted by jessica on May 28, 2003 9:22 PM

Just to say to a guy who likes "exotic " women im black and beautiful and don't need breast implants to make me pretty.I'am all naturual and the men are lovin it .

Posted by beautiful and black on May 30, 2003 10:32 AM

I'am 27 years old with a bachelors degree in early childhood education and i don't need you or anyone else for that matter to tell me what should or shouldn't i say about joumana or jason kidd "by the way it wasn't me who was spelling her name wrong" I live now in new york and I'am a very big Nets fan as anyone else is.But i can call a man out of his faults if i choose to.jason doesn't rule my world he is not my everthing unlike you "FRONK".Just because i choose not to like the man of his personal aspects doesn't mean i don't think he is not a great basketball player.The man obviously had problems and if he has changed for the better as you say then i will give him high regards in his changing ways.but because i choose to point out his faults and you choose to point out his positive side is not any reason for you to get all steamed in the coller because both of us were speaking some truths.

Posted by carl on May 30, 2003 10:44 AM

mrs. Iverson is pregnant again?
Jason never had physical custody of his child but he did come visit him in Phoenix I know.
Dang Dallas got whupped on at the last minute last night. I guess San Antonio said lets show them how this should be done! I don't really care for San Antonio, I hope the Nets win.
Also to Frank, I distinctively remember an interview on 1 of those sports shows I think it was Bob Costas where Joumana just had TJ. Jason was talking about how he remembered his dad getting on the plane and he had a feeling that would be the last time he would see his dad. His dad died the next day, and you know what he said? He said he was just glad that his dad was able to see his son and spend time with his son before he died (he was talking about TJ). That's when I lost respect for Jason as a person, that interview. That's when I formed my opinion about him. Living in the Bay you hear alot, and I didn't really pay much attention to things until I actually saw that interview. Yes that was beautiful what he said, but he had more than 1 son and my heart dropped because he continued to go on and on about TJ as if he was his only child.
So Frank I'm just saying if your trying to be fair, no1's telling you (or anyone else for that matter) hate Jason and Joumana but keep it real. Thats a deep statement to make. Forget the so called daughter, I haven't seen that, but his son is neglected by his father. When that whole court situation went on I thought it was messed up because she wasnt even trying to get Jason for his money, then Jason started acting stupid. Time went on and it seemed as though Jason had grown, then that interview and it was a wrap.
It seems all the Jason Joumana supporters who are coming to their defense are the most hostile, when all some people are doing is stating their "opinion". Who are the civilized people? You are attacking everything negative we have to say, when what you really need to do is just (as we do) state your opinion and quit taking it so personal. You said yourself, no1 knows for sure what goes on in their lives. People have the right to form an opinion and speculate what they want. You attack peoples character when you are the 1 who sounds soooo immature and ignorant yourself.

Posted by mb on May 30, 2003 12:11 PM

Also Frank 1/2 the time you post as anonymous and say things like I need to go play in traffic or just outright mean things. Or maybe your trying to make it seem like these mean statements are coming from other people. You need to grow up.

Posted by mb on May 30, 2003 12:32 PM

Mb, you've said plenty of mean things yourself... And sometimes I post under anonymous simply because I forget to type in my name, or I am just plain too lazy to. :)

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 5:31 PM

i had no idea joumana kidd was middle eastern. for the longest i thought that girl was black or mixed.She doesn't really have middle eastern features to me anyway.but if i had to choose between joumana or tamia defiantly tamia because even though joumana is a beautiful women tamia has that body you can't denie but thats my opinion.Oh by the way there are plenty of beautiful black women who have that exotic appeal.look at mya or ashanti.much love to my black females cause ya'll got it going on.

Posted by ru boy on May 30, 2003 5:33 PM

I think we started taking things a little to personal.I realized there is no need for name calling.we all have strong opinions and i think it got out of hand but much respect to people who want shed light or give opinions on jason kidd.I apoligize if some of the things i said became personal

Posted by carl on May 30, 2003 5:40 PM

Frank didn't start getting ugly wit'cha until you started trippin'.
Thats right ru boy send a shout out to the sista's. Even Vanessa Williams (Rick Foxx's wife for those who might not know) is beautiful and unique looking.

Posted by mb on May 30, 2003 5:41 PM

Your absolutely right Carl. I don't want to disrespect anyone myself. It shouldn't be personal.

Posted by mb on May 30, 2003 5:43 PM

Your absolutely right Carl. I don't want to disrespect anyone myself. It shouldn't be personal.

Posted by mb on May 30, 2003 5:43 PM

Hi! i have quik question.The last time i was here everyone was talking about jason kidd son Jr. but now i've read that he has another "daughter" from a college girl name amy.I was just wondering where in the world did this child come from?

Posted by tasha on May 30, 2003 5:47 PM

I find that hard to believe. Physical custody issues are something you cannot just ignore. Alexandria has always had sole physical custody of Jason Jr. That would mean no visits to Jason, under no circumstances. It's a court order and I doubt Alexandria would ignore that and just say, "Okay, Jason. I will ship Jason Jr over to you for a visit in Phoenix even though he is not allowed to be with you." There's no way. She would never do that. She hated Jason's guts and would never break the law by making visiting arrangements behind the court's back. I am wondering how you know that information.

I don't like San Antonio either. We actually agree on something. I was hoping that series would go 7 games so that they wouldn't get so much rest, but oh well.

So you have completely abandoned your theory that Joumana controls Jason's life?? You first said that Joumana didn't want Jason's previous children to be around, and that Jason Jr went to visit Kidd in Dallas but then evil Joumana came and said no more of that. But now, you are positive that Jason Jr visited Kidd in Phoenix, so that story no longer makes sense.

And Frank, I may attack a lot of things negative that you say, but you attack a lot of the positive things I say. It goes both ways. However, I do not attack everything you say. I agree with some things you talk about.

I recall that interview as well. Jason is not obligated to mention his first son to the media and the general public. If he wants to keep it a private issue, than that is fine. He may want to keep that kid out of the spotlight since he does not live with Kidd. There is nothing wrong with that. He does not have to explain everything to Bob Costas. Just because he does not mention Jason Jr in interviews, does not mean that he doesn't care about him. No guy is going to be completely honest with reporters. You just can't... people deserve their privacy. They don't owe anything to the media and don't have to give their life story. You just say enough to get through the interview and move on. It's just an interview, nothing more than that.

I am stating my opinion just like you are. I have never taken it personally. How could I?? It's not my life.

How about we stop calling people immature and ignorant when we don't even know them??

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 5:54 PM

the day that i lost respect for jason kidd was the day i heard he hit his wife.I was so shock because he didn't strike me as the violent type.But when i heard the police tape on one of the sports shows it just seemed as if this had been going on for a long time."not that i have any proof of it" then some people were talking about jason's past discetions.For example:slapping a female after a party which the charges were drop after lack of proof,carring a pistol or shot gun when he and some friends were stop by police and then leaving the scene of an accident.I didn't believe he had that "thug" persona he seemed cleaned cut he still does.But after that i started to question what jason kidd was as a man when it seemed he was living a false image.

Posted by carl on May 30, 2003 5:55 PM

I don't want to disrespect anyone either. I said I prefer arabic women to black women. That does NOT mean that I do not like black women or that I think they are ugly. I like women of all nationalities. I think Tamia is gorgeous, but everyone has their preferences and I have mine.

Vanessa Williams was better when she was younger. Too old now.

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 5:58 PM

Carl, Kidd was never accused of having a gun. They thought that one of the guys that he was with may have had a gun, but they later decided that was false.

Also, the incident where he hit a girl at a party... He was very, very drunk... The girl, Tameka Tate, even said it herself. People act very differently when they are drunk. Their minds are distorted. Tameka said that Kidd always respected her and was always kind to her, but when he got drunk, he was a different person. You cannot really compare that to his domestic abuse incident of 2 years ago.

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 6:02 PM

from what i have learned when jason met alexandria he was supposedly in a "commited" relationship with some girl he met in college.But he and that girl was having one of those "down low" relationships.basically all it was was sex and she didn't mind that was all jason was wanting from her untill she became pregnant.jason became scared because he didn't know what to do or how his family would react especially his father.Some coaches and players were telling him she was just trying to trap him and get him for what he was worth thats why jason started to act a fool.I don't thing she was a goldigger at all just immature and stupid.

Posted by candygirl on May 30, 2003 6:05 PM

frank,when you first saw joumana what race did you think she was because i'am telling you i thought that girl was black or mixed. does she have arabic features to you?

Posted by ru boy on May 30, 2003 6:11 PM

oh and also no one or at least me is not knocking you down on your preference.I like black and hispanic women.I was never to caught up on the blond hair blue eyes thing it just never appealed to me.I like my girls to have that j-lo appeal and dark features you know curly hair thick hips full lips.women like that to me are the sexiest.thats why i thought joumana was black or mixed or at least hispanic because she had dark features it nevered accured to me that she was arabic.even though she is beautiful she is way to skinny for my picking.

Posted by ru boy on May 30, 2003 6:17 PM

Carl, Jason does not rule my world. Like I have said, I recognize Jason's faults. Everyone has faults, I know that. I know he has had problems, but I also believe in giving people the chance to change and become better... That is all. I don't like how he hit his wife. That is absolutely terrible. But do I like the way he handled it and tried to fix it?? Yes, definitely. You can think what you would like just like I can think what I would like. That's all.

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 6:20 PM

Yeah, ru boy. I thought the same thing. I thought Joumana was mixed or latina or hispanic... Something like that. But, her skin color does kinda match that of middle eastern people. She is 1/4 egyptian, which is in Africa, so that may be why she looks a little black.

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 6:24 PM

Alexandria kept wanting them to up the child support payments as Jason got richer. The amount of money she was asking for was getting a little ridiculous.

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 6:33 PM

thank you candygirl. that was interesting... any more info?

Posted by Jules on May 30, 2003 6:34 PM

Frank your still not keeping it real. If your talking about 1 child in an interview why make it seem like you only have that one. gimme a break. You protect them so much it's ridiculous. What would it have hurt to say in the interview, I'm glad my dad had a chance to spend time with my kids? Nothing. Your talking about being private, then don't mention anything at all. Also that was an interview with Jason, Joumana just had to make her way in the interview, c'mon now.Thats not letting the media know every bit of your personal life, thats being proud of your children.
Also Alexandria wasn't asking for anything extra at all until Jason started acting stupid and trying to claim the child wasn't his to back out of child support. I know their relationship was by no means serious, just booty call. The girlfriend he had in college was Amy. Even after the child was born Jason was going to visit Alexandria in San Francisco where she's from.
I heard Jason Jr. used to go to Dallas just from hearsay, but the person who told me that he used to go to Phoenix is friends with the man who takes care of Jason Jr.
You keep harping on the child support thing. Like you said yourself, people change. When Jason started acting a little more mature, don't you think Alexandria could have let her son spend time with her father even though she had sole, full, or whatever custody. You also said yourself people do things out of anger, so why couldn't SHE change her mind as well. She's no saint I'm sure. Why is it you can always change the scenario when it comes to the Kidd's and can't ever try to see the story in a different light. I will be the first to say I believe that Jason has changed and I think he has matured a lot but I just don't have respect for him as far as being a father. Regardless, Jason Jr. did visit him in Phoenix. You should ask Jason or Joumana next time you talk to them since it seems that you are so close to them.
I called you immature because you told me to go play in traffic and you started lashing out and getting ugly, I don't believe I directed any name calling before that. You were the one who started the name calling.

Posted by mb on May 30, 2003 7:30 PM

No, she couldn't. Court order. If she wanted to let Kidd spend time with Jason, Jr, she would have had to go to court and get the child custody arrangements changed. If she did that, I bet the public would have heard about it, since the media had covered the original custody controversy in depth. She wouldn't put herself in jeopardy by disregarding court order, she would have went with Jason to court to get it changed and we would have heard about it. Whether or not she changed her mind is irrelevant. You still have to go to court and change the arrangements before anything can happen.

Maybe I will ask them about Jason Jr going to Phoenix even though I still doubt it, unless it was being done totally illegally.

As for the interview, I could care less what Jason says. He can be proud of his children without talking about them with the media. Like I said, Jason Jr does not live with him. He might want to keep that kid out of the limelight. Also, by mentioning another son that not many people know about it could open up another can of worms that maybe Jason does not want to discuss with the public. The amount of times you refer to your children in public does not measure how much you love them. Only Kidd knows how he feels about his children.

Posted by Frank on May 30, 2003 7:59 PM

alot of people know about jason kidd's other son.Everytime my friends and i watch net games everyone sees his wife and tj and all them ask " but what about his other children".I doubt alexandria would intentionally prevent jason from seeing his son one reason that is his namesake so it couldn't been blown out hatred between the two of them otherwise why would she name her son after him.2nd jason acknowledge the fact that he was the father of the child in question when it was leak in through the media of a paternity suit.3rd jason son is ackowledge in "some" of his bios but not many.I think people find it weird that he doesn't talk about his first son because alot of people always ask why doesn't jason acknowledge his first son.and since the child visited jason before or after whatever the case may be when he married joumana i'am positive that little boy has to have some confusion about his dad.i know i would.

Posted by carl on May 31, 2003 11:49 AM

i remember seeing a picture of jason and his son Jr.in some local magazine in oakland and the little boy was wearing a golden bear miniature jersey and jason was holding him in his lap.he was about 6 months then and he looked just like him.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 11:53 AM

how did he look like?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 11:56 AM

he was caramel complected had dark wavy hair brown eyes cutest little dimples and he had jason smile which sealed it for me because he looked just like jason they have the exact same smile.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 11:58 AM

You constantly contradict yourself. First you say that the media was all over his custody case and it states in his bio that he has a son Jason Jr. Then you say if he mentions Jason Jr. it would open up a can of worms. I'm confused, by your recollection everybody already knows of Jason Jr. due to the media, but then they don't??? Hmmmm??? I'm just curious, have you seen the custody papers? Where you in the courtroom? Oh I thought not? Yes you might want to ask someone on the other side of the fence (meaning Alexandria's camp)if Jason Jr. went to visit his dad in Phoenix. Obviously if your talking to the Kidd's they don't want you to know everything. I haven't seen the court papers and I doubt you have so we really don't know what type of custody she has. I do know that he did used to visit his dad in Phoenix, whatever type of custody they have. I mean people have restraining orders out on people then they reconcile and don't have them enforced. If both parties agree it's ok why would the court get involved unless 1 or the other goes to the court and tells? I find it very, very hard to believe a mother wouldn't allow the father to have any contact with the child.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 12:02 PM

i don't know if i believe you seen jason jr. nobody i mean nobody seen his other son so i doubt you saw him espicially if you saw him in a magazine that doesn't seem like something jason would wan't in a magazine especially since his son was still in question.

Posted by buster on May 31, 2003 12:06 PM

i don't care if you believe me or not i'am just telling you what i know.I went to an oakland community college and also was a cheerleader for the l.a lakers and i remember there was a picture in a local college magazine that had jason holding a little boy and the caption read jason kidd's biggest fan.i thought it was adorable and i ask someone who's the little boy and a girl told me it was jason kidds son jason.i looked at the picture again and i notice the baby looked like him and thats why i believed it was son in the picture but you don't have to believe me i just telling you what i know.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 12:18 PM

jason is always in the spotlight he talks about personal things in magazines and interviews.the reason alot of people know about his personal life because jason joumana tell the world about their business.Otherwise how would i know that jason was holding a yogurt in his left hand when he slapped joumana.he talks about his family 24/7 and joumana is always telling everyone about what they do and what tj and his daughters like to do for fun.so as open and honest jason is about his private life why would he be so hush hush about his other son or "daughter" when the whole world knows about it.

Posted by carl on May 31, 2003 12:29 PM

Tell em' candygirl. Also he did go to Cal Berkeley, she said he had a Golden Bear shirt on, hello! People just don't want to face the fact that Jason doesn't handle his business with his son except financially. Jason isn't the only person in the NBA that's like that, however since his name is the only one in ? right now thats why he's the center of attention. I could name a few others that don't take care of their children or family.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 12:31 PM

there are alot of things that are open to the community.Go to smoking gun.com. i believe thats where you found your info on jason arrest carl,but one thing i doubt that they would make public is a custody dispute especially what kind of custody jason has or rights he was given.I doubt the court told jason it was illegal for him to spend time with his son seeing that jason didn't committ any illegal acts or abused his son.i pretty sure jason had a clean record and the court is not going just go by alexandria's word of being unfit if there is not any proof of it.And why would a court prevent a father from being with his son unless jason sighned over his rights.jason doesn't seem to dangerous that the court would limit jason from spending anytime with his son unless they knew something that we don't otherwise preventing jason from seeing his son is ludicrous.

Posted by canygirl on May 31, 2003 12:41 PM

no i knew the details from what i heard on sports talk show.

Posted by carl on May 31, 2003 12:45 PM

I believe jason always knew that jason jr was his son and i also heard he told alexandria to name the baby after him because she was having a little boy.and he wanted his son to carry his name.he wanted that little boy to be a big basketball star just like poppy.but jason started to act a fool like someone else said and he started to contradict himself and told everyone that alexandria was easy and the child could be anybodys she was hurt and even though she and jason wasn't in a "commited" relationship people tended to believe jason.but jason spoiled that women with gifts and told her that he really wanted to be with her and not the other girl.So as you can imagine she was hurt by jason's accusations especially since he was coming anytime of night to get some good lovin.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 12:55 PM

jason sounds like a ho!! i'am hoping what candygirl said was an on the streets rumor because i really believe jason has changed his ways for the better.

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 1:02 PM

Boys will be boys and they only do what the women allow them to to. I think Jason has matured, however, I think Jason is a sucker for women and lets them run him. Again I know people who are like that so it's definitely not just Jason.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 1:05 PM

trust me this is what everyone was saying.Jason was what you called a wanna be playa but he didn't have any game for real just his good looks.anytime jason saw someone he found attractive he would send his boys to talk to whoever girl that caught his eye.Jason in partically liked black women that's why i was also suprise he married an arabic chick because he seemed to have a thing for that brown suga.But joumana didn't look white so maybe he thought she was black at first.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 1:09 PM

what was the jersey number the little boy was wearing?

Posted by carl on May 31, 2003 1:14 PM

32# i believe but i don't quite remember because it was along time ago and i'am not really a big basketball fan more football but i thought jim jackson and jason was cute oh also grant hill.As you can tell i'am a sucka for some cute basketball players but right now it is all about mick vick!!(:

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 1:18 PM

Yes your absolutely right he did try to holla at all the cute sista's. At parties he would be straight drunk and went up to a couple of my friends and tried to talk to them. It's a joke now with 1 of my friends who's married now and he tried to talk to her when he was just stinking drunk. We joke and say, (especially after he hit Joumana) see girl you could have been the next Mrs. Kidd and laugh about it. When he wasn't drunk he would send his friends to do the talking, it's like alcohol was his courage or something.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 1:20 PM

candygirl, how do you know all this stuff oakland is a big community how in the world did you get all this info?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 1:22 PM

as popular jason was news gets around jason was always in the local paper and he was always getting himself into some kind of trouble especially when he was about to fight a dude over some female i think to prove his street cred.i think he was around gary payton a little to much.

Posted by canygirl on May 31, 2003 1:27 PM

are you from oakland?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 1:32 PM

I'am originally from Detroit but i moved to oakland when i was 13.My father stays there and he worked as a security guard at a local bank.but i remembering my father not liking jason because he was arrogant and seemed spoiled he said he seen his father steven kidd a couple of times and jason's mother worked at national bank of america so he would see them quite often.jason had a priveleged childhood and thats probably why my father didn't like him but i think he was just hating.sorry daddy(:

Posted by canygirl on May 31, 2003 1:40 PM

have you seen jason's parents?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 1:43 PM

i have seen his father but not his mother jason in partically looked like his father but if i see his mother he probably would look more like her since he has her green eyes and all.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 1:47 PM

mb, are you from oakland?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 1:50 PM

Yes I am.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 1:52 PM

Oh for all you boys who want joumana for yourself and think she is fine you might want to know that all of joumana good looks aren't natural.Cuz that girl had some work done.i remember seeing her because she was a bud girl and she was just starting out.that girl wanted so badly to be in the spotlight.at first she wanted to be an actress and then a model and then a talk show host but someone said that she would been a real pretty girl if her nose wasn't so big.that girl was so insecure about herself and she constantly needed men in partically to tell her that she was gorgeous.oh and she was never that big chested but she new that sex appeal sells that's why she got a boob job.But i thought she was naturally pretty she wasn't as pretty as she is now but her uniqueness made her stand out.now she looks to hollywood and she really needs to gain some weight.because those legs she has look like they could snap at anytime.

Posted by canygirl on May 31, 2003 1:59 PM

He did used to hang with Gary but I think it was more Isaih Rider that had him acting stupid. If you know Gary he really doesn't fight, he has his boys do that. I went to high school and college with Gary and when his boys weren't around (which was very rare) I saw him get punched in the face and he did absolutely nothing.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 2:00 PM

mb, are the things that candygirl is saying for the most part true?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 2:01 PM

Candygirl I said the same exact thing a couple days ago, I don't think you were posting any comments at that time, you will see if you look above. I agree, she was much more unique looking b4, and I said she is hollywood thin now. I don't know if you ever used to go to Geoffreys but she was a little thick then when she was a hostess and she used to walk around and be all up in the guys faces. She definitely has had work done, so people can't give her that many props because it's not natural. She was prettier b4. Her nose was bigger but it wasn't ugly.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 2:05 PM

just to reassure tasha i'am not the only one who know these facts if happen to visit oakland all you have to say jason kidd and the will probably tell you the exact same thing but you don't have take my word for it go there yourself you will hear the exact same thing.

Posted by canygirl on May 31, 2003 2:06 PM

Yes candygirl is pretty much on the money. There are alot of things you just hear in traffic but when you keep hearing the same stories from different people, they all can't be lies you know? Sounds like candygirl and I have pretty much the same information and opinions.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 2:07 PM

That's why it's hard to understand how Frank is from Alameda and didn't hear any of these things. He says he's from Alameda yet he can't believe any of my information or candygirls. So candygirl you better be careful, Frank gets very touchy when you talk about his folks.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 2:10 PM

i knew that jason visited his family in oakland anytime he had the chance to but i don't think he spent anytime with his son i don't know that for sure but i heard that jason out of wedlock son made joumana uneasy.I don't think she like jason going to see jr because she knew he would have to see alexandria and i think joumana was a little jealous but still i'am not sure all i know is that joumana wanted jason all to herself and that she wasn't willing to share even with his son But that just a rumor i heard.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 2:13 PM

Also Frank I having meaning to correct you, you referred to me as a guy. If you think I'm a guy I'm not. Previously I talked about how my boyfriend takes care of my son and is his father figure also. So unless I'm some kind of medical miracle that can have a son as a man then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 2:15 PM

i'am not afraid of no frank whats his face there are two or more people saying the exact same thing and i doubt that all of us are lying.Unless frank was living under a rock im pretty sure he heard the same thing unless he is just clueless.jason kidd is not Mr. goodman as he may want to believe and i also heard he was lousy in bed but believe what you want to believe.jason kidd still has faults but i 'am not going to say anything because i believe mb,said enough so enough said(:

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 2:22 PM

i knew you were a female because great minds think alike(:

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 2:25 PM

mb,have you seen jason's mother?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 2:27 PM

even though i just got here i know somebody was having a "discussion" with someone else here but i didn't know that persons name but now that i do Hey Frank!and if you have any criticism about what i have posted i'am warmed up and ready to defend my statements so get at me if you must(:

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 2:33 PM

wow! how do you know jason was lousy in bed?

Posted by tasha on May 31, 2003 2:40 PM

because he freaked one of my homegirls homegirls if you get what i'am saying meaning he had sex with one of my friends friends and she had a crush on him a real bad one at that.But jason tended to go to any local events that was going on with his boys and the girl who i will call lily saw jason and flirted with him and said some really naughty things to him he responded back and pretty much did the same thing and they headed of together where i don't know all i know is my friend said she was a little disapointed because jason didn't know how to please a women he just wanted to get off and then go to sleep but i don't know how true that is and i hope for joumanas sake it's not true because if it is joumana is messed up for life.

Posted by candygirl on May 31, 2003 2:48 PM

No is she white? Am I thinking of someone else or was Jason adopted? Someone (besides Frank) let me know.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 2:53 PM

I remember seeing Jason's parents when he was drafted but that was a long time ago and I can't remember what they looked like. I think I'm thinking about someone else when I asked was he adopted. I also saw them when he gave his coach that cadillac.

Posted by mb on May 31, 2003 2:56 PM

Jason's mother is white. She is Irish Catholic, to be exact. I know you did not want hear that from me, Mb, but I do not know why all of a sudden you hate me. I do not want to be enemies with you or anyone. I respect you and your opinions.

Candygirl... I am from Alameda and have heard the same things that you heard. I do not live under a rock and I have heard plenty. I've read the same local newspapers that you read. Jason was a bad boy in college and his early years in the NBA. Most guys that age are. I never denied that. However, Oakland is a decent sized place, so when someone mentions that they know a million of Kidd's friends and have been with Joumana and Jason a million times, it's surprising.

I just think it is weird that everyone uses Kidd's past to judge him. Don't you think that a man of 30 has a better head on his shoulders than a man of 21? Do you people really think that Kidd still acts like a 21 year old, drinking excessively and having sex with every beautiful woman that he comes in contact with??Kidd has matured and has become a better person. I haven't heard stories of him crashing cars, drinking to no end, getting people pregnant, etc, lately, have you?? No... so doesn't this mean that he has changed??

Mb, I am sorry that I thought you were a guy for a moment. I knew you were a woman, but that slipped my mind... I apologize. I am also sorry for anything negative that I may have said about you. I said those things before I knew more about you.

The local media was all over the custody case. I remember reading about it in the local papers all of the time. However, the rest of the United States was not following this thing nearly as close. Not everyone in the world knows of Kidd's first son. The general public watch basketball with little knowledge of the player's personal lives. The general public are not intense basketball fans and they only know what they see on TV. They see Joumana and TJ at the games and assume that that is Kidd's family. Mentioning another son in interviews would open up a can of worms. I bet some of those people that interview him even have no idea that Kidd has a first son. If he brought it up, they would definitely get nosy and would want to know more dirt and details. Once again, because Jason Jr does not live with Kidd, he may want to keep this child's life more private, so that he can maintain a more normal life, if that is possible.

We are spoiled... We live in the Bay Area and hear more about Kidd than the rest of the country. Most people not from this area have no clue about Kidd having a first son, except for a few exceptions. Most normal people just turn on the TV and watch the game and do not follow the side show at all. Do not assume that EVERYBODY knows about Jason Jr, because the majority don't.

I don't say that you tell lies, MB. I have heard most of what you say. But I have never heard about Kidd visiting with Jason Jr. That was weird. I remember Kidd threatening to try to seek physical custody of his son because Alexandria kept wanting more money. But he never did, so that meant he was not seeing him.

I used to go into Joumana's father's deli, Nero's Heroes, all of the time before he passed away. I can't say he was my friend, but we did have conversations often. He told me himself that Alexandria had sole physical custody of Jason Jr and that Jason had not seen him. I doubt that he would lie about that, because I don't know how lying about that would have benefitted him.

My sister lives in Upper Saddle River, NJ. Jason Kidd happened to move into a house two blocks away from her. That is my only other Jason Kidd connection, and I wouldn't really call it much of a connection because I can't consider us friends. If you think Kidd tries to act fake in front of the whole world, than that is ridiculous. What a horrible way to live... never being able to be yourself and never being able to be true to yourself.

If Alexandria and Jason agreed to let Jason see his son, that is fine. But you must go to the court and change the arrangements first. If they ever discovered that Alexandria and Jason were disobeying court order, they could have found themselves in a lot of trouble, even if both parties were okay with it. Because Jason is in the public eye, it would have been much easier to get caught by the court, which is why it was necessary to officially change the settlements. The settlements were never changed though, and I am assuming this because the Bay Area media was all over the original case and I figured they would be right on top of any changes that took place in the near future. This leads me to believe that Jason was never in contact with his first son.

I think it was Jason's decision to not have physical custody of Jason Jr. He was not ready to take care of a child, he could barely take care of himself. Some people are just not ready to take care of children. It's just like putting your kid up for adoption. Those people are not bad people, they just may not be able to handle caring for a child and put it in someone else's hands. People lead different lifestyles than you and me. Things that seem easy to us are hard for people in different atmospheres. No one here knows what Kidd's reason is for not being in contact with his first son, if this is indeed the case.

If Jason changed custody arrangements recently, I don't know about it. He may have. I don't think the media would have followed it so strongly now because the issue has been dead for quite a while and Kidd no longer lives in California. He could very well have a relationship with his son and we might just not know about it. If he doesn't, maybe there is a reason. But to assume that Jason hates his first child and wants nothing to do with him is unfair. Unless Jason says this himself, we cannot assume or judge him.

You people say I only look at the good when it comes to Kidd and his family. Well, you people only look at the bad when it comes to Kidd and his family. You refuse to look at anything except for their bad past. I recognize that Kidd had a lot of problems when he was in his 20s, but he's not the same guy, obviously. I do not think he is all good, but I think he has grown into a good man. Do you people even follow Kidd's life now? Or are you too busy concentrating on what he did when he was 21?

Posted by Frank on June 1, 2003 12:54 AM

This board is great guys. As a huge Jason Kidd fan, I think it is so great that I can come here and read all of this personal stuff about Kidd. It is so interesting! I wonder how all of you guys found this obscure board... lol. I am kinda laying low and not saying anything, but i wanted u all to know that there are some people here just enjoying readin this stuff. I am glad that people that know Kidd and his people are speakin up.

Oh yeah, Sports Illustrated said Kidd's mother is Irish... that's where the green eyes come from... so no, he's not adopted. I agree he looks more like his late father, even though some of his facial features resemble his mother. I have seen her a few times... she was at the game Nets vs Golden State in Oakland and TNT showed her on TV and I saw her on Jason's MTV Diary.

Posted by ashley on June 1, 2003 1:00 AM

Yeah, did you see that MTV Diary?? TJ cries hysterically whenever Jason leaves him!! He worships him! Jason must be doing something right. He seems like a good dad to me... Obviously a 4 year old can't be fake for the camera even if you think Jason might try to be a little fake when the camera's around. TJ bawled his eyes out when he heard Jason had to go on a 2 day road trip! Couldn't stop! Cried and cried! So it's not like Jason's beating his wife up at home and treating his family poorly at home when the camera's gone. TJ wouldn't love him so much and wouldn't worship him so much if that were the case.

As for another son, we don't know the real story, so whatever.

Posted by kim on June 1, 2003 1:13 AM

bob, where are you?? I miss you! You were one of the best writers on this board! Come back please!

Posted by richard on June 1, 2003 1:31 AM

Here's the deal. Jason made some bad, yes very bad mistakes in the past. But I think we need to give him a break and let him live his life. Its not for us to judge if hes turned his life around or not - we can only hope its not just a facade.

Posted by x on June 1, 2003 12:21 PM

i'am not in here trying to get people to hate jason kidd thats the last thing i want to do.i support him because he is a hometown superstar but i can also say this i'am not just going brag about the man when i know he still has anger problems from what i heard recently he did get angry with someone and i'am not going into details[it wasn't his wife]but people get angry because i chose to talk about his faults well big deal just because you like to tell everyone how much jason kidd changed i know for a fact that he still has some issues to work on so don't get angry at me i still going to believe what i won't to believe.Oh for the record the reason that alexandria has full custody of jason jr because jason use to beat the mess out of her when she threaten to go public with the relationship because his parents only knew about the college girl he was dating not her and they would have probably been dissapointed with jason because he was only having a sexual relationship with alexandria.and if jason was granted full custody of jason jr i heard he was going to let his mother or older sister denise raise his son but i heard that from a third party.Jason may have changed for the better but he still i assure you has some things he has to work on.

Posted by candygirl on June 1, 2003 3:40 PM

also i believe that jason is a great father but only to the children he shares with joumana .I doubt tj a 4 years old is going to judge his father of his past discretions especially since i doubt he understood exactly what happened between his mother and father so of course he going to idolize his father jason spoils him with love and thats a good thing so he is doing something right especially since jason considers tj as his little brother or best friend as he has said before.and can his first son be unknown to the world when they have discuss jason kidd first son in many nation wide magazines so i doubt alot of people don't know of his out-of-wedlock-son but you believe what you want i'am just stating my opinions.how jason lives his life is nothing that really care about however jason is still a work in progress and you can believe what you want but jason still hasn't cleaned out his closet he still has to mature so i'am judging a man in his 30's and hoping he will change for good

Posted by candygirl on June 1, 2003 3:53 PM

what did you hear recently about jason kidd that you said made him angry?

Posted by skyblue on June 1, 2003 3:57 PM

I'am not going to say because it was rumor that was told to my friend that was told to me.but jason was doing something shady and i'am pretty sure joumana wouldn't have like it.But the fact that it is loose talk by some people is the reason why i'am not going into details because i'am not going to say anything deragatory about jason anymore because it seems it is offending some people and they may not like what i have to say and they may put me in a catergory of a liar and a jason kidd basher so i'am not saying a word.(:

Posted by canygirl on June 1, 2003 4:08 PM

then why say anything at all?

Posted by skyblue on June 1, 2003 4:10 PM

because i was trying to prove a point.

Posted by candygirl on June 1, 2003 4:13 PM

i have to say that i believe jason kidd has changed for the better.he is not getting into any kind of trouble like he has in the past and he seems real devoted to joumana.He seems like a really hands on father and i believe frank was just trying to say that everyone deserves a second chance in life because everyone has makes mistakes and jason can't change his past even if he tryed.you learn from your mistakes and you grow from it.jason relationship with his son and his son's mother nobody really knows about.hopefully when jason decided to change his ways it also meant throwing away past grudges and starting over like he did with joumana.and lets just hope for jr. sake that jason lets the past rest and do what comes naturally in being a good father to all his children because i pretty sure jason jr loves his father whether he is in his life or not.

Posted by tasha on June 1, 2003 4:32 PM

can you at least give me a hint!! Please!!(:

Posted by skyblue on June 1, 2003 4:39 PM

alright already!!(: the girl who shared this info with me about jason kidd is a cheerleader for the sacramento kings.thats your scoop take it or leave it.

Posted by candygirl on June 1, 2003 4:42 PM

Frank I do post some positive about Jason so you can't say that I am just posting negative things. All I'm saying is I am judging him for what he is doing now. Yes it seems like he has changed in some ways (what we see), however I don't think he is making an effort with his son. I will say again believe what you want but Jason Jr. did used to go see his dad in Phoenix. I will also say again that there would have been no harm in saying he had another son. Being in the limelight as an extraordinary ball player, you know how to handle the media if they start harping on his other son, just say, no comment. I doubt that the media would ask any ?'s about his son unless he wasn't handling his business with him, which he isn't. If it's all good they wouldn't have anything to harp on now would they? So Frank I don't understand that theory you are trying to point out.
Also Alexandria wasn't trying to get soooo much money at first. She actually could have gotten much more, and some of her people were telling her, as well as her attorney she could have gotten more. She wasn't even trying to go there until Jason got stupid and was trying to deny the child. All she got was a house, and not even a big phat house, and a settlement. Alexandria could have gotten more. I Jason would have handled his business in the first place, it wouldn't have even went to court they could have just settled because Alexandria was willing to. People are always quick to think women are trying to get these ballplayers when some women are just trying to get what is due, and that is child support. It kills me how some of these ball players don't want to handle up! Then when the women have to go there and take them to court and end up getting more than they asked for in the first place (because the court grants them that), men try to say they are just out for the money. Don't get me wrong there are some females out there who are scandalous and are after the paper only, but these men shouldn't be lying down with every heffa that looks goood and willing to give up the booty. I know of a couple girls who had to take people to court over handling their business with their child. That's crazy, you shouldn't have to be forced to pay for your child. Jason knew that was his child and he didn't handle up then, and he's not now.
As for what Joumanas father told you, he only knew what Joumana told him. And sweetie I'm sure Joumanas father didn't know half the stuff that went down in that household. So no, there was no reason to lie, however, he only told you what his daughter told him. Of course she's not going to tell her father her husband doesn't handle up. You said yourself she exaggerates. Do you think she told her father he hit her? Remember she said it happens all the time on the 911 call?
So you can keep defending him in that aspect but its a lost cause. I know we all have issues to work on, and I think Jason and his wife need to work on that issue. As a wife it is Joumanas responsibility to handle up too. That is her family also, not just TJ and the twins. I have my personal opinion about Joumana and Jason because I have seen both of them in action, and some things don't change. I think Jason has changed his ways more than his wife because I see it, but when I see Joumana, she seems like the same ole person, about her. Again thats my opinion.

Posted by mb on June 1, 2003 5:35 PM

i agree whole heartly with mb.jason kidd of his caliber can find a way to have some type of relationship with his son.

Posted by candygirl on June 1, 2003 5:42 PM

Candygirl, could you email me privately? I have a small question to ask you and I have something to tell you. Thanks.

My email address is dttjm@aol.com

Thanks again.

Posted by kim on June 1, 2003 9:11 PM

Candygirl, if you say anything negative about Kidd, I will never call you a liar or a Jason Kidd basher... Just to let you know. I will never call you names. I learned my lesson with Mb. So don't worry about that. :)

Posted by Frank on June 1, 2003 9:30 PM

Candygirl... First you said that it would be ludicrous to not let Kidd see his son. But now you are saying that Kidd beat the crap out of Alexandria, so isn't that reason enough to not let Kidd see his son?? If Kidd was found to be an abusive man, the court was not going to grant him custody. (I, too, heard that Kidd was abusive towards Alexandria.) So then wasn't the whole thing out of Kidd's hands?? We can't really blame him for not being with his son then right??

Posted by Frank on June 1, 2003 9:56 PM

mb, I don't think it is Joumana's responsibility to make sure Jason Jr is involved with the family. He is not her son... he is Jason's and it should be Jason's decision about what they should do. Joumana can only offer her opinion about it.

Still, there may be a good reason why a relationship is not possible between the two, at least not a relationship where Jason Jr is with Kidd frequently. Also, are you sure that they don't have at least a small relationship behind the scenes going on now that we don't know about?

I will put the issue about Jason Jr visiting Jason in Phoenix to rest. I realize that that is what you heard, so it's not like you are lying. You are just reporting what you heard, so it's not your fault if you heard false information. Whether it is true or not, we don't know. So I will stop questioning it.

If Jason says no comment about his first son, the media will think he is hiding something. They are going to want to know who is the mother and why Kidd did this and they will ask him a million questions about the kid, like why isn't he around? where is he? I don't think Kidd wants to get into that stuff anymore with the reporters. If he can keep that side of his life a little more private, it will probably make Kidd and his family and Jason Jr and his family feel a little more comfortable.

Okay, that's it. Mb, I just want to thank you for seeming to respect other people's opinions. I do recognize that you have given Kidd some credit, which is nice. You don't have to, but it's just nice that you seem to be looking at this with an open mind.

Posted by Frank on June 1, 2003 10:11 PM

What issues does Jason still have to work on? I know he always says he's a work in progress... But what does he mean by that? I've always wondered that. I know his wife always says that Jason isn't a good communicator but what else does he need to fix? Does he still hit people? If he does, it is kept very quiet, because you never hear about it.

Posted by Jessica on June 2, 2003 12:18 AM

I'am going to email you frank but just to clear you on something.I know first hand that when one parent is not to have contact with the mother doesn't mean that it would prevent jason to be with his son its called supervised visitation.Json would have to go to anger mamagement classes so the he could see his son unsupervised otherwise he still has legitament claim to his son. when the spousal abuse incident happened between joumana and jason they didn't prevent jason from seeing his son he may have been a threat to joumana but not his son there is a difference.

Posted by candygirl on June 2, 2003 10:42 AM

i'am i thought it was frank who wanted me to email him but it was kim so the message should say hi frank sorry for the misunderstanding.Hello kim(:

Posted by candygirl on June 2, 2003 11:13 AM

candygirl you seemed to have alot of info on jason kidd where do you get it from?

Posted by rain on June 2, 2003 11:15 AM

i have my connections.(: but it helps that i was a fomer laker girl and i have inside connections to what goes on inside and out of the legue{is that how you spell the word(:} but anyway i have friends who tell me some of the info and the only reason i found this sight is my brother kept telling me that joumana was black and i was trying to tell him that she was arabic so we look on the internet a oopsy daisey came here.(:

Posted by candygirl on June 2, 2003 11:23 AM

Frank yeah lets put that Phoenix thing to rest. That portion of my info is coming straight from the man who takes care of Jason Jr. so I feel thats pretty legitimate since he is the caretaker of him (and probably the one who took him to the airport :-)). Anyhow I just outright disagree with your theory on why Jason doesnt handle his business with his child and there is nothing you can try 2 justify to change that. First you say he might want to be more private, yet him and his wife and TJ are all over the TV giving interviews. Thats not too private to me.
Also Frank I don't want to critisize you, but yes that is Joumanas responsibility as well. When you get married and the spouse has children that is your child. So I totally disagree with that. Hell my sons father and I were never married, but I go get my sons brothers when I can because it is important to know and spend time with your family. That is not my responsibility I do it because I think that it is right, but if my sons father was my husband, it would be my responsibility.
Let me ask you a ? Frank. If you had a child and you married someone else, it wouldn't be your wifes responsibility to take care of that child and make sure that your childs well being is taken care of? So sorry to say as a wife you accept your husband for everything, children and all. If you feel its not her responsibility because its not her biological child, you are sadly mistaken. I will use the example of Jada Pinkett again, when Will Smith and his ex wife were having drama and Trey was in the middle she, as his wife, stepped in and made them both realize what was really important, and that is the child.
I realize you are not going to change your opinion on Jason or Joumana, however, in a marriage the responsibility to the family is on both parties. If Alexandria was to pass on, would Jason Jr. still not be Joumanas responsibility?
I don't know I'm just big on family and the things you try to justify just dont make any sense to me when it comes to your flesh and blood. I mean c'mon, not mention your son so the media won't pry (or for any reason at all), gimme a break.
You say you know all this about the court and type of custody, how is that? I won't say I have seen the court papers, but I do know what happened from Jason Jr.'s dang near father (since Jason isn't handlin' up). Also the man that takes care of him now, do you think that is his responsibility? No, but you know what hes does it, which is more than I can say for Joumana. As a woman I will feel pretty silly if a man was handling his business with my husbands son more than me.
Again thats my opinion.

Posted by mb on June 2, 2003 12:14 PM

who said jason kidd had a daughter other than the two he has with joumana?

Posted by akc on June 2, 2003 3:53 PM

just because in society people deem parenting more of a mothers responsibilty than a fathers.Wheres the justice in that? People make mistakes but the mistakes and the choses you make shouldn't be at the childs expince.i know people want to say because jason is a proffessional ball player he doesn't have time to play daddy to a little boy he hardly sees well tough cookie he slept with the women he obviously enjoyed himself because he didn't think of wearing protection so thats the price you pay.people are dealt different cards and some of them you may want to throw back into the pile but thats life you make do what you were handed.Everything you may have wanted your not going to get so you suck it up be a man and do what its neccessary for your child.Now jason has changed hopefully for the better and hopefully for good so don't you think alexandria after 10 or more years has let the past rest and may give jason another chance and redeem himself in his sons eyes because if he has changed so much for the good what would the reason still be that alexandria wouldn't want her son to know his father.Jason jr knows who he is anyway so don't you think now that he is getting older and wiser and getting to the age he is going to need his father the most jason jr may want that connection to his biological father?or is that just a costly reminder of jason's infindelities{IS THAT RIGHT}(:? you decide i know if i had children i don't want my child growing up thinking his whole exsistence was a mistake. I want him to be proud of who he is and where he comes from and to know that he is a least loved by his father.Wouldn't you?

Posted by candygirl on June 2, 2003 4:16 PM

Sure, Jason has Joumana and TJ in the media spotlight, but they live with him... so it's different than Jason Jr, who does not live in their residence. Maybe Jason would like to keep his first son and the boy's mother a little more private, since he lives in California with people that aren't NBA stars. It might keep some normalcy in that family. If I was Alexandria, I wouldn't want to be mentioned all of the time to the media by Jason.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. If I remarried and I had a kid from my first marriage, sure I would want my new wife to take care of the child. But say I wasn't in contact with my first child... Would my wife be able to tell me that I must be with the kid and that she would do it herself if I wouldn't? No, she can't do that. It is not her child. Like I said, Jason has to make that first decision and Joumana can only offer her best judgement. Say Jason did agree to have Jason Jr stay with them, well then I'm sure Joumana would help take care of him and be responsible for him like you mentioned. It's just that initial decision about getting custody of his son that is all Jason's. HE must demand different custody arrangements, not Joumana because she is not the biological parent. Like I said, of course Joumana could take care of Jason Jr and love him if he were to come live with them. And if Alexandria couldn't take care of Jason Jr anymore, of course it would be good for Joumana to become the mother figure of that child. But none of that can happen unless Jason makes the initial choice of getting custody of Jason Jr. Do you get what I am saying? Jason has to be the one to okay the whole thing. Joumana cannot take it upon herself to do it on her own. I hope I could clear that up for you.

I have studied family law extensively, which is why I am familiar with the types of custody and the rules behind them. Breaking these rules can result in very serious consequences, no matter if the two parties are in agreeance or not. Once you get into that stuff, all decisions must go through the court.

I am big on family, too. I never want to have to go through divorce or any type of situation that would separate my family. I believe that once you find your true love, that's it. Nothing can separate you and nothing can get in the way. You get married and divorce is never an issue. Then you have kids and live happily ever after. But this is the real world and things happen, families get separated for certain reasons and sometimes there is nothing that can be done about it. It's very sad, but true.

Mb, do you know for a fact that Kidd has absolutely no contact with his son currently?? Just wondering.

Posted by Frank on June 2, 2003 4:18 PM

oh yeah jason jr did use to fly in and see his daddy in phoenix.it was usually during special occasions you know like holidays and b-days.he use to travel with jason's family when they drop by to see their son.so there is truth in what mb is saying.But i don't know if he goes to see him now.

Posted by candygirl on June 2, 2003 4:27 PM

One thing your right about frank is it is not joumana initial responsibility for jason to have a relationship with his son it's jason so the first move has to be made by him since he is the father.But if he has some type agreement with alexandria for jr to spend time with him, joumana also has to be the one to make him feel welcome in their home.Jason makes the first move joumana and jason continue from there.jr is getting older now how long you think jason can keep the charade going without effecting the child. he may be naieve now but wait 3 more years he wont be naieve to jason antics for much longer.

Posted by candygirl on June 2, 2003 4:40 PM

I completely agree with what you last said, candygirl.

Posted by Frank on June 2, 2003 4:52 PM

Frank I think some of what you said is a little contradicting. First you say Jason Jr.'s custody case was all over the media, then you say he might want him to have some normalcy and keep his identity private. Just because he doesn't live with them why should it be any different? His children are his children no matter where they are. What about when people get divorced and the kids don't live with them? Does that mean they shouldn't acknowledge them in an interview. His name is Jason Jr. for goodness sake. From what I hear he looks like Jason and is very athletic like him. I hear he is great in basketball (like his dad) and baseball as well.
As for the responsibility thing you did clear that up a little, however decisions should be made in a whole as a couple. I'm sure when Jason Jr. was in Phoenix visiting she had some type of relationship as a stepmother. Then it stopped.
I don't know if he talks to his dad but I do know he doesn't go visit him anymore, and it wasn't Alexandria's doing, it just stopped.
I know of another NBA player who did the same with his children and family. He had 2 children with his high school sweetheart, once he married his wife he has now the contact went from not vistiing as much, to not at all. Then from phone calls to e mail only. Then from e mails to nothing. He doesn't take care of his family, yet his wife bought a house and cars for hers. Not saying Joumana is that type of woman, but not saying she isn't either. Women can be just as bad as men.
I don't know Joumana personally I just know of her. I can't say what type of woman she is for sure, but what I know of her I can't see her as being the type of woman who would put out the effort for Jason Jr. I still think she seems self centered and thats just my opinion.
As far as studying family law, thats cool and all, but we all know and aren't that naive to know that laws have been broken. Again, did you see the custody papers, you haven't answered that yet? Even so I know he went to visit him in Phoenix.

Posted by mb on June 2, 2003 5:13 PM

joumana from what i was told was uneasy having jason jr around i don't know why but she didn't from i heard like having to deal with alexandria or her son and she became a little jealous that she provide jason a son for him have his namesake and hopefully grow up like his father.thats why joumana was estatic when she found out she was having a little boy because i guess she knew jason would be thrilled.thats when i think jr didn't come around anymore because joumana gave him a son that he could raise and mold him to be like him.thats Tj of course that i'am referring to.

Posted by candygirl on June 2, 2003 5:24 PM

See I didn't know that about Joumana, but I can't say it surprises me.

Posted by mb on June 2, 2003 5:51 PM

I think what Jason Kidd does is his business. Even though it is totally wrong that he is not owing up to his responsiblity. But that is his business and who are we to judge. We have all made mistakes throghout life, and so have Jason which makes him as well as us human beings!

Posted by Ebony on June 2, 2003 11:34 PM

The custody case was all over the local media 10 years ago. 10 years later, it is unnecessary to bring it up with the national media.

Even if the children were all treated equally, the fact of the matter is that Jason Jr does not live with his father. He has his own mother and father figure that have nothing to do with the NBA. Perhaps Jason is respecting their privacy. If Jason publically talks about Jason Jr, questions about Alexandria are bound to come up. Maybe she does not want this publicity, since she no longer has a relationship with Kidd. Like I have said, the amount of times you talk about your kids to strangers on TV does not measure how much you love them. I don't think we can make the assumption that Kidd does not care about Jason Jr because he is not mentioned on TV. Maybe Jason really doesn't care about the kid, but you would not be about to judge that based on what Kidd says to the media.

I have not seen the custody papers... It was made public that Kidd was not granted physical custody. Joumana's father, a very respectable man, told me that it was sole custody, which would mean no visitation rights or any contact whatsoever. He never told me if it was Jason's decision to have it set up like that or if it was the court's decision. But I do remember him saying that the whole thing was very upsetting to both Jason and Joumana. Whether or not he was lying or if Joumana lied to him, I don't know... But I just don't see why you would lie about that. It's really hard to tell lies to everyone all of the time... It catches up to you.

I also don't see how Joumana is so self-centered. If she wasn't married to Jason, or even if she was married to someone in the entertainment business, she would probably be a lot further along in her career in television. She knows that. She put her dream career on hold for Jason. She only cares if he is happy. Obviously, if Kidd went to San Antonio next season, the career opportunities for Joumana would go way down hill. However, she keeps saying that she does not care about her career, she only wants Jason to be happy and she wants what's best for him. She keeps saying this. In fact, she said it today. She told Jason not to worry about her and to make the decision on his own. There would be no point in lying about this because obviously when Jason hears things like this, it's going to make him want to look at other teams. Joumana's being very supportive about the whole thing. If she was self-centered, she would be telling Jason right now that they have to stay in NJ and that he can't look into any other teams. But this obviously isn't the case. Jason's obviously looking seriously into the possibility of going to San Antonio. Joumana, like Jason, has also seemed to mature over the years.

Posted by Frank on June 3, 2003 1:10 AM

Candygirl, where do you get this stuff from? Who told you Joumana was uncomfortable with it and was thrilled to be having a boy?? Don't be making up stories, that goes for anyone here. But if you're telling the truth, thanks, because I am learning more about Kidd than I ever have.

Posted by richard on June 3, 2003 1:15 AM

i hope that jason forms some type of relationship with his son because i don't want to see 10 years later and jr is a big basketball star and jason sr is no where to be found.I hope frank that you don't want jr to have the same kind of feelings that mike bibby has for his father and you know that mike bibby has ill feelings about his dad leaving when he was 2 and now henry is doing everything possible to have a relationship with his son but mike bibby won't let him get to close in his life.I hope thats not the case between jason and his son in the future because that would be very messed up.Don't you think?

Posted by candygirl on June 3, 2003 11:33 AM

richard,i'am not in here to spread lies or innuedos about someone if i didn't think it was true.alot of the things i learned were from people within the legue {is that how you spell the stupid word} anyway someone told me that joumana was uneasy with alexandria because jason found the situation between him and alexandria difficult.I think joumana knew that jason wanted a son so he could imulate his image and continue the kidd name.since jason didn't have jr i think in a way tj was the replacement and his sire.and i think it made joumana happy that jason jr didn't necessarily be the one to carry the kidd name.But this is info from what i got from a "FRIEND" you can believe me or not but i don't really care i was just telling you what i know but if this offends people i will shut my mouth now and i won't type another post.

Posted by candygirl on June 3, 2003 11:50 AM

frank, why would joumana's father tell you something as private and personal to you a stranger about what happened between jason and the childs mother.don't you think the situation was a little to personal to be blabbing to someone he doesn't even know?

Posted by rain on June 3, 2003 11:56 AM

SHe is also part black....... (look at the name for heavens sake)

Posted by Anonymous on June 3, 2003 12:18 PM

does jason son tj have a disorder or disease because his head is huge and is disproportioned.i'am not trying to be mean i just wanted to know if he might have something wrong with him?

Posted by bebe on June 3, 2003 12:38 PM

anonymous what is that suppose to mean look at her name you wouldn't be racist would you?

Posted by rain on June 3, 2003 12:40 PM

Frank people in the league have children by women their not with all the time and mention them. You have your way of thinking and I do as well. Joumana I think does love her husband, however "I" personally think her decisions are based on how the outcome is going to eventually be in her favor, point blank, period. It's not like the girl was a superstar and she put her career on hold, Jason helped her face be seen and known. That's how she can have access to the things she wants to do, so c'mon now think about it, really. Of course she has to prove herself and Kidds name cant carry her on the air, she does have to have some knowledge and talent, but being who she is it definitely helps and she know that and used it to her advantage (which is what any smart business woman should do). I think she does love her husband or she wouldn't have stayed with him after he hit her, however she is also about business and I am not mad at her for that.
As for custody I don't remember them disclosing the exact type of custody nor do I remember the exact amount, but I know she was awarded a settlement outside of the 5k a month she was already receiving (which is standard child support for a child of a NBA player, 5k a month per child), and a house. As I said before, I didn't think Joumana's dad was lying, I said I think Joumana only told him what she wanted him to know, or what she is told. Sometimes the wives don't know what we think they know. Example Gary's wife didn't find out about his other son until he was like 3yrs old (even though they weren't married yet, they got married almost 2years later because Gary didn't want to lose her).
Also for ebony, you have a child by someone and them not be involved except financially and see if you don't judge that person. No1 is saying Jason is a horrible person, however he just needs to take care of his parental responsibilities.

Posted by mb on June 3, 2003 12:54 PM

And when I say parental responsibilities I mean not just financial

Posted by Anonymous on June 3, 2003 12:55 PM

joumana kidd isn't black she is middle eastern

Posted by rain on June 3, 2003 1:48 PM

are jason's twin daughters cute or do they have a big head like tj?

Posted by kitty on June 3, 2003 2:37 PM

does joumana have any siblings?

Posted by bebe on June 3, 2003 3:22 PM

Jason's twin daughters have normal size heads. I don't know why TJ's head is so big. The girls are adorable. On the Yes Network, the show Yes Magazine did a thing about the Kidd family and it showed the twins. They are getting so big! Very cute kids. One of them was running around with a little doll carriage and ran into Jason. It was really very cute.

Posted by Jessica on June 3, 2003 3:39 PM

is ther something else we can talk about because this jason jr situation is getting us no where.

Posted by tasha on June 3, 2003 3:43 PM

do they look alike?

Posted by bebe on June 3, 2003 3:47 PM

where is carl?

Posted by rain on June 3, 2003 3:50 PM

who do you think will win the playoffs?

Posted by tasha on June 3, 2003 3:53 PM

As bad as I want NJ 2 win I think San Antonio might take it. Hopefully Jersey will though.

Posted by mb on June 3, 2003 4:02 PM

I know Joumana definitely has a brother, who is a pilot now I think. Joumana's maiden name is Samaha... that's as Arabic as you get. She is Palestinian, Lebonese, Jordanian, and Egyptian. Whether you consider Egyptian people black, I don't know. But she is Middle Eastern.

Rain, I used to go into Joumana's father's deli every day during my lunch break. As a regular customer, I got to know the man pretty well. We spoke nearly every time I went in there, talked about all kinds of things. Usually the conversations were not very personal, but when he heard I had extensive background in family law, we began to talk a bit about Jason's situation. While I couldn't say we were the best of friends, we were definitely more than just strangers. It's not like he told me something earth-shattering or very private... I was already aware of the fact that Kidd did not have physical custody, he just told me of the "sole" part.

Mb, the custody was revealed indirectly in the paper if you read carefully enough. Do you remember when Jason threatened to seek physical custody of his son? That may be a direct quote from an article. I could probably try to dig it up somewhere. That statement alone was enough to determine that Kidd had no physical custody.

If Jason goes to San Antonio, you really think the outcome will eventually be in Joumana's favor?? How so?? Her career is going to be very hurt by this, and she will have to go backwards from being on national TV to being on local TV. She will most certainly not be able to do the things she wants to do. There is no way that being in San Antonio can benefit her. No way. Yet, she constantly says that she would definitely be willing to go wherever Jason needs to go. She's encouraging him to do what's best for him, not her. I think her saying things like that really encourages Jason to look at other places and he may very well end up in San Antonio. And Joumana will be fine with accepting a local job there. She even ruled out commuting to LA to continue progressing in her career. She said she wants to stay near her family. That is far from self-centered. Also, she has said that most of the people in her field have no idea who Kidd is or care who he is. She would have been much better off marrying someone famous in the entertainment world if she was interested in using her husband's name to land jobs. And what do you want her to do? Hide the fact that she is married to Kidd?? Why should she? Why not tell people that you are married to him to try to get a certain job?? It may not work, and it probably won't work, but she could try. Jason probably encourages her to do that. It's not a bad or selfish thing to do. But like I said, none of this will matter if they end up in Texas because there aren't really any good opportunities for her there.

Candygirl, I agree with you. Jason should at some point make sure that he has a relationship with his son, if he has not already tried to do this, before it is too late. However, there are no guarantees that that child is going to make it to the NBA and become a star. Mike Bibby might think that his dad is trying to form a relationship with him now just to get in on some of his money. His hatred toward his father might be money-driven. Of course the guy is going to want a so-called relationship with his son now that he is famous and rich. Mike's not an idiot and probably realized this. I do not know if that is the reason behind Bibby's situation, but it was just speculation. I don't know how Jason Jr is going to feel about his dad in the future, regardless of whether or not he makes it to the NBA. But I bet if Jason does try to have a relationship, Jason Jr will realize that it isn't because of money because Jason is already ridiculously rich.

Posted by Frank on June 3, 2003 4:32 PM

The twins look alike, but I can tell them apart quite easily. They are probably fraternal, not identical. Jazelle is smaller than Miah. Miah has a chubbier face and more hair :) To me, Jazelle looks more like Jason and Miah looks more like Joumana, but they are not that different looking. They are very cute.

Posted by Jessica on June 3, 2003 4:38 PM

Candygirl, your comments do not offend me... I do not think they offend anyone here. Keep posting what you wish. I enjoy reading what you have to say since you are from the Bay Area.

Posted by Frank on June 3, 2003 4:40 PM

candygirl- I know you are not trying to spread lies. I never accused you of doing that. Your statements do not offend me at all so don't hesitate to write what you wish. I just asked you what kind of sources you had, because sometimes it is hard to believe things when people use unnamed sources to back their information up... you know what I mean? I am just wondering how you know so many people from around the league. Does being a Laker girl really give you all of these inside connections? Just wondering. I know that you are not trying to make up things and I know you aren't lying. You seem like a good, honest person from what I have read in your messages and I am guessing you are just reporting what your friends tell you, right? Then it is not your fault if these things turn out to be false. It would be your friends' fault, not yours. So don't worry... Frank says your messages don't bother him, so they probably don't bother anybody, including me. So keep posting, okay? :)

Posted by Richard on June 3, 2003 4:50 PM

Frank we just have two different outlooks on these people. Neither one of us know them personally so we can only form an "opinion" from what we perceive and what we see. I form mine based on what I have seen from the both of them and from what I have heard, some of the sources being reliable, as well as yourself. Some things I have heard about them just in traffic I don't believe because I don't know the people the stories are coming from. When I hear something or discuss a subject with a good friend and their situation comes up, I tend 2 believe its true especially if I have heard it b4. We can go on and on about why I think she's self centered and blah blah blah, but the more I answer your ?'s and you answer mine, we still come up with why it doesn't make sense. I'm not going to go on about why I think she's self centered because frankly I'm tired of explaining why I think she is to satisfy your couriosity when, your still not going to think she is, and that's cool. I'm sure your tired of answering the ?'s I have about your opinion. You like them, I really don't care for them as people and our opinions arent going to change, and you and I both have people who feel the way I do, and people who feel the way you do. So I guess what I'm trying to say is "LETS SQUASH IT" already!
I'm not trying to be rude but we keep going back and forth.

Posted by mb on June 3, 2003 6:04 PM

I think you are not saying why she is self centered because you no longer know why you said that. At first, it seems like you just figured that she was using Jason to further her own career, but now that you realized that wasn't the case, you no longer can back up your opinion as to why she is self centered. Okay, whatever. I will stop talking about Kidd if you want me to. I did enjoy reading what you had to say, though. I just don't want you to think that I worship them or that I support everything they do, because I don't and I'm sorry if I come across as being someone who does.

Posted by Frank on June 3, 2003 6:30 PM

No Frank I still stand behind my opinion. I still think she is using her name as Mrs. Kidd to put herself out there. She like attention, whether it is being on extra or not. She will find another way to be out there in San Antonio as well, believe me, in another shape or form. Again, she's not dumb so she will manage to do it. I just didn't feel like typing another long reason why I think she's self centered simply because you wouldn't agree anyway so whats the point anymore, ya know. So sorry to say Frank but an opinion doesn't have to be "backed up", simply because it is an opinion, no need to back it up.

Posted by mb on June 3, 2003 7:36 PM

There wouldn't be much for Joumana to do in San Antonio. She wouldn't get much attention at all. She may be able to get on a local show to interview people at the rodeo, but other than that, there is nothing. She doesn't need her name to get work there. She's sacrificing a lot for Jason by giving up her job as a reporter on a nation-wide television show in order to go to a city with no nation-wide media opportunities. If she only cared about herself, she would say screw Jason, I'm gonna stay in New York to do my thing. Then again, I hope Jason stays in NJ so we won't have to worry about this :)

I'm sure being Mrs Kidd can only help Joumana put her name out there, but is that the reason she wanted to be Mrs Kidd? I doubt it, because she wouldn't be encouraging Jason to look at places like San Antonio. Just my opinion, no one yell at me.

Posted by Jessica on June 3, 2003 10:09 PM

If your assertive enough (as I'm sure Joumana is), there are opportunities everywhere, especially in her business. There might be a little more in Jersey, but they are still out there. Remember she started in Phoenix.
And Frank before Joumana was with Jason she had a chance to start her career. She was in the bay, there are alot of opportunities here. She didn't start until Phoenix. There was an article on the internet I read about her thats how I knew she wanted to get into broadcasting. It was talking about Joumanas first correspondent job. So her name definitely did help her because in the interview it stated that Mrs Kidd was given the chance to show her abilities after a game. I'm sorry but it did help, and I'm not even saying anythings wrong with that, so I don't understand why you can't see that.
I'm not saying that Joumana married Jason solely on the fact he is a b-ball star, but I don't think that wasn't one of the reasons either. If Jason was a regular Joe, I'm sure she would have been out after he hit her.
Also for Richard you were talking about candygirl using unnamed sources. Of course almost everyone here is going to use unnamed sources. Why would I tell you the name of who said what and you might know that person or tell someone what you read and that get back to the source, then they know who they told. Also some information I have (as well as candygirl) is from people in the league, or people they have went out with and they don't want other people to know. It's not that anyones lying, it's just we choose not to put other people in jeopardy. I don't think thats right. You cant see our face or know our real names so we know it can't get back to the source, but if we told you our names, the names of sources, they would b upset.

Posted by mb on June 4, 2003 11:56 AM

Also the only people who truly know whats going on are the parties involved. Even if candygirl was to say the name of her friend that slept with Jason and said he was weak, Jason would probably lie about it and say it wasn't true because he would be molded and the only 2 that were there was her and him. So the necessity of stating names is really irrelevant, either you believe it or you don't.

Posted by mb on June 4, 2003 11:58 AM

the nets of course!!

Posted by zane on June 4, 2003 1:12 PM

thankyou mb!! just want to say that the reason i would never say where my info came from because it would rude for me to call some people out and they may feel betrayed.the things i know are from people within the league{Finally got it right!!(:} and it was loose chatter from my female friends who get to know alot of the ball players and get the inside scoop of alot of things.Whether they are lying or not i don't know but if they were than i assure you i will recant my stories and tell everyone that read these post that i recieved false info. i wouldn't deliberitly lie on the man because what can i possibly benefit from that infact i would be just causing unessary problems and i'am not the type of person to do that so again i apoligize if my stories are offend or upset anyone because that is not my intention i'am just stating what i know from people who are supposedly familiar with alot of the players.

Posted by candygirl on June 4, 2003 1:31 PM

i wonder if joumana's brother is cute!(:

Posted by chinky on June 4, 2003 1:57 PM

hey does anyone know how jason's sister look like and if so are they like joumana?

Posted by rj on June 4, 2003 2:18 PM

what kind of info does anyone have on jason's sisters?

Posted by rj on June 4, 2003 2:43 PM

One thing I will say (and candygirl I'm sure you will agree), Joumana sure does have Jason looking 1000% better then when he came outta Cal. He was a scraggly looking thing, yuk! He actually looks somewhat attractive.

Posted by mb on June 4, 2003 3:49 PM

Jason's sister, Kim, looks like him. The same color skin, same facial features. As for Denise, I haven't really seen her. Kim's 19 or 20 now and Denise is 28 or 29 maybe.

Posted by Richard on June 4, 2003 4:26 PM

Oh yeah, I just thought it would be good to say how you know the people that are telling you these things about Kidd or where these people are from or how they know NBA players. Things like that. I don't expect you to use names. That would be disrespecting their privacy and I am not looking to encourage you to do that.

I am not calling any of you here liars, because after reading your posts, you seem like good, honest people that are just truthfully posting what you have heard. But, other people could just come on here and pretend they know people that have inside information about Kidd just so that they feel cool and "in the know." I highly doubt mb and candygirl would do that, but you never know with some other people. I am sure there are people out there that would do that. That's all. Again, Candygirl... nothing you say is ever offending or upsetting. I enjoy hearing what you have to say.

Posted by Richard on June 4, 2003 4:48 PM

MB, I said myself that it can help. I never said it wouldn't. However, at first you made it sound like it was a horrible thing that Joumana would use her husband's name to try to get jobs. I was just saying that this wasn't the case. It's not a bad thing to do and it's worth a shot. She shouldn't hide the fact that she is married to him. I bet Jason wanted to help her find work in the field she loves when they were in Phoenix. I am sure he helped set those basketball-related jobs up for her. He seems to support her just as much as she supports him. It is not bad that she likes to work in the entertainment field. And maybe Joumana was looking for a more stable job while she was in the Bay Area, since her family didn't have much money. It is tough to land a good paying job in entertainment right when you are trying to jump start a career after college. I am sure she would have moved into that field once her financial situation was more secure, regardless of whether or not she married Kidd. You make it sound like she had to wait for Kidd so that she could have a shot in the media. She didn't need him and she mentions that most people don't care who Kidd is or that she is married to him. She does a lot of it based on her own merit, especially now as her jobs are on a much larger scale. I agree with Jessica on this one...

Being married to a basketball star has its advantages and its disadvantages. It's not all good. Your husband's always on the road, away from the family, unable to help with the kids. NBA players are always associated with infidelities, crime, etc. There is always the threat of being traded, having to start over in some other state. The wifes have to put their career ambitions on hold for their husbands. I am sure Joumana also realizes this.

I doubt Joumana would stay with Kidd just because it might help her career. Actually, she would probably be better off if she had left him, career-wise. She could do what she wants and not have to worry about his needs. You wouldn't stay with an abusive spouse just because you want certain jobs unless you are completely nuts. That's ridiculous. She stayed with him because she loves him and forgave him.

Posted by Frank on June 4, 2003 5:20 PM

I never said it was a bad thing in my previous post. However, I think she did feel it would help her advance. I don't think she was in love with Jason when she married him, therefore I do think initially she married him for how it could help her situation. Heck per his friends (in the league), Jason called them when he returned bk from Vegas letting them know he did it, he got married. When he told them who he married it was a joke because she had just been with (as in slept with) 1 in the crew a few weeks b4 Jason married her. After the call they said that they would now have to respect Joumana out of respect for Jason now that she is his wife. So you can't tell me Joumana was just sooo in love with Jason. She married him because the opportunity presented itself. Here you have a man with a promising career, there are some things you want to do and have (as in career, family) and you want to be comfortable, and he can provide that. I think thats why she married him, however I don't think thats why she stayed with him. I do think now she loves and is in love with her husband because she grew to love him.
So Frank thats why I base my opinion the way I do since you are always thinking I have no grounds to do so. You can continue to come up with all the scenarios of why she does what she does or why Jason does what he does, but they are human and are not saints or angels. I think yes people change in some ways, but in some ways they stay the same.
So I guess I will wait for your new scenario of how you feel I'm dead wrong again.

Posted by mb on June 4, 2003 6:19 PM

And no disrespect to Jessica, but Jessica probably only knows what she sees on TV or read. She probably doesnt live in the bay area, so of course it's going to seem all heavenly like how you tend to make it seem.

Posted by mb on June 4, 2003 6:22 PM

Also if Joumana left her husband her lifestyle wouldn't be as comfortable as it is now. Her Extra gig wouldn't be pulling in as much as she has now either. She wants to keep Jason happy and she's making sure she is close to him. She knows how those ballplayers are. If she were to stay behind and do her TV thing, Jason would be in San Antonio and she would be working and taking care of the kids without Jason there. Why would she want to do that. That goes back to how he is with Jason Jr., she's not risking TJ missing out like Jason Jr. If she left him or stayed behind she would be putting that at risk. She knows how women can be with the ball players (and there are some beautiful women way prettier than Joumana), they do all sorts of things to get those men. Anyway putang has no face. Heck look at Doug Christies wife, shes at every game, on and off the road, more that Joumana. So of course she's going to stay by him. Now if she were to get an Oprah or Barbara Walters type gig, pleeeeaaaaze, Joumana would be like "ok babe wherever you want to go, I'll be there in a minute". C'mon we're talking little gigs here, I wouldn't stay behind for that either.
You have your scenarios by what you know of them, I have mine on what I know about them.

Posted by mb on June 4, 2003 6:38 PM

i thought he had only one sister i didn't know he had two?

Posted by tasha on June 4, 2003 7:16 PM

your absolutely right about that.When jason was playing for berkley he didn't in my opinion look all that good.he was toooooooo pale and his hair do was a mess but know he got a little color to him i don't like the bald thing he got going on but at least he is dressing better.

Posted by candygirl on June 4, 2003 7:25 PM

i miss the bay area because there is always something going on but i like atlanta its nice but the hawks suck but the falcons are fire.i don't know if people talk about jason as much as they use to when i lived down there but its obvious some of the rumors that was going around has never been resolved.I know back in the day jason was a ladies man which most college boys are he had him a hand full of girls here and there and didn't in my opinion seem to be ready to settle down.I was surprised when he did marry because he was rumored to be dating at the time jim jacksons sister.And not to long before that was engaged to some other female i never learned her name but i was told she was pretty.anyway when someone told me jason got married i thought he and that other girl made up because i knew they had called of the engagement so when someone told me that girl was joumana samaha i was shock because for one i thought she was dating one of jason's boys, for two he had thing for those brown honey's so i was surprise he up and married an arabic chick, and for three jason seemed to young and to immature to be settling down especially when they did the vegas thing i thought jason just did it for the thrill and i gave that marriage aproximately 4 months because there was just no way i thought it would survive but they prove me wrong.

Posted by candygirl on June 4, 2003 7:45 PM

Yes, Tasha, he has two sisters, both younger than him.

Posted by Frank on June 4, 2003 7:49 PM

all the guys in here who's finer joumana kidd or kimora lee simmons or tyra banks?

Posted by ray z on June 4, 2003 8:00 PM

kimora simmons did you see her in ginuwine's in those jeans video she is gorgeous!! what is she mixed with?

Posted by carson on June 4, 2003 8:03 PM

kimmora lee simmons is half african american half japanese.

Posted by ray z on June 4, 2003 8:04 PM

kimora's daughter is so adorable i just want to eat her up but i won't i promise (:

Posted by tasha on June 4, 2003 8:06 PM

frank, someone told me tj had a brain disorder please tell if thats true or not?

Posted by tasha on June 4, 2003 8:08 PM

Of for goodness sakes, mb. You're trying to say that you know about the specific phone calls that Jason made after he eloped? You know what the conversations to his buddies were about? That is the most ridiculous thing you have said in a while. You obviously hate Joumana or are very jealous of her. You can tell by some of the little things you say like, "there are some beautiful women way prettier than Joumana". Way prettier? You make her sound like a dog. You think both of them were total scum back then and that neither one of them had any values and morals whatsoever.

If Joumana and Jason separated, TJ would be with Jason, too. He would not just stay with Joumana, obviously. Jason and TJ are very close... I am sure the boy would spend half his time with his father. It's not like it would be all Joumana's responsibility and they do have things called nannies. Taking care of TJ and the girls wouldn't be a problem.

It's not "a little gig" to Joumana. She absolutely loves her job as reporter for Extra and NBA TV. It's a building block towards bigger things. It's only going to get bigger for her in the New York area. Staying there would mean opportunities to do better things, not just stay with Extra.

Jessica might not live in the Bay Area, but neither does Jason. And he hasn't for almost 10 years. Jason Kidd doesn't want to live in the past, he has moved on and changed. I think both he and Joumana have matured. They are not saints or angels, but are they as "bad" as they were 10 years ago? No, obviously. Are all of your opinions based on what happened long ago?

Mb, I have never said you were dead wrong. In fact, I have agreed with certain things that you say.

And candygirl, Jason was not too young to get married. He was 24, normal age for marriage. Was he too immature? I'm not sure, but he obviously loved Joumana because after all of their problems in the past 6 years, they are still together today. Joumana may be Arabic, but her skin is as dark as some black people. She looks kind of black. And it's not all about looks anyway. Jason would be racist if he only focused on black women.

Posted by Frank on June 4, 2003 8:32 PM

Tasha, I have not heard that. I have no idea why TJ's head is so big. I don't know if he has a brain disorder, but he seems like a smart kid. From what I have seen of him on TV, TJ speaks very well, has a good vocabulary, and seems like a normal kid. Jason and Joumana have always said he was healthy, so until they say otherwise, I will not think differently.

Posted by Frank on June 4, 2003 8:39 PM

look frank before you get all hot and bothered don't knock me or mb for our opinions.I was stating what i know and i don't give a damn that he married an arabic chick.I'am actually lebonese,white, and black so i'am in no position to be bias of anyone especially jason kidd who is also of mixed heritage.I just notice when he lived in the bay area he tended to date black women and so thats why i was surprised he married an arabic chick but it wasn't as if i was dissapointed at him or anything i was just surprise because he tended to date certain type of women that was all that i was saying.Second wasn't you frank that pointed out that jason was immature and that was the main reason he wasn't granted custody of jr and wasn't you that said he did't know how to communicate or relate to people without loosing his temper.but now your saying jason was mature enough to get married well if so then he would know that hitting women is not something you do if your wife happens to tick you off and he should know if he didn't wanted to be a father at a young age that wearing protection is the only way to prevent that.and frank you should know that joumana kidd is not god's greates gift to men they are prettier women than joumana kidd so loose the obsession because nobody was directing any insults to you we were just stating our opinions.just because you don't like what people say about your wanna be wife and perfect family man jason kidd is no reason to insult anyone and i think you need to calm the hell down because it is not a big deal you taking your feelings for the kidd's to far. Nobody is going to completely agree on your stand points so not everyone is going to like jason or joumana so loosen your grip because you taking it a bit overboard mister i only date exotic arabic chicks if thats the case whats wrong for me to say that i thought jason only liked beautiful black women?

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 11:02 AM

you know what some of my statements were harsh and i apoligize but i don't like "FRANK" the way you seem to think that everyone is going to have the same mutual respect you have for jason kidd and his family.And i didn't like how you seemed to portray me as being bias to a certain type of women when my father happens to be arabic.it just so happens that i was giving my opinion and actually complamenting the kidds for staying together for so long after all the adversity they had to fight through.But not everyone in here is going to agree with you on your opinions and not everyone in here is going to find joumana attactive[most men probably do]but not everyone.You shouldn't start name calling anyone when nobody was even speaking badly about you "I" was just giving an "OPINION" you need to learn how to respect that without getting hot in the collar.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 11:18 AM

actually the average age for men to marry is 27(: thought you should know.

Posted by baj on June 5, 2003 11:22 AM

I don't care if jason married joumana at age 58.If you are not mature enough to marry then it doesn't matter how young or old you marry someone it all depends if you are truly mature for so such a big resonsibility and to realize that your obligations are to your wife and children first something jason himself admitted that he didn't quite understand at the time but says he is just starting to realize the importance of family.

Posted by canygirl on June 5, 2003 11:30 AM

did anyone see joumana at last nights game?

Posted by baj on June 5, 2003 11:46 AM

the nets sucked last night.I thought they going to take it but tim and company put them back in their place. to bad i think the spurs are ging to take it.

Posted by ray z on June 5, 2003 11:50 AM

actually i thought they played pretty good i think the nets will bounce back from this.

Posted by tasha on June 5, 2003 12:21 PM

is there any reason for name calling i think everyone in here has been speaking some truths but doesn't mean that everybody has to ger ugly about "fank,mb,candygirl".Everyone is just stating opinion no need to get all angry about it.Why should you we even care we are not living jason's life so it is not our business.

Posted by tasha on June 5, 2003 12:43 PM

hey has anyone seen mike bibby's baby momma?

Posted by baj on June 5, 2003 1:00 PM

Frank, first lets get this straight. I am by no means jealous of Joumana. I am very beautiful. I am creole, Tahitian, and German. I have a good man who has never layed a hand on me, a beautiful son(that is well taken care of) and a comfortable life. Just because she is married to a ball player doesn't mean she is any different. So lets get that out there now.
Just because I state opinions doesnt mean I am jealous. You are so infatuated with the Kidds (more so Joumana) it is ridiculous. As much as you try to keep your cool, you blow up when you hear something derogatory about her. I could give a damn about what you think I hear or if its true or not. Just because you try to throw names out there like saying you talked to Joumanas dad (which I doubt he told you anything personal if you were just a customer in his deli for goodness sake)doesnt make your information any more reliable. The conversation that Jason has after he eloped was on a cell phone of his buddy who is a ball player. We were all at the house of a friend in the Oakland hills at a get together when he called, and they were laughing after they got off the phone. Believe that or not, but it happened. Why should I believe 1/2 of the malarchy you post? Whos to say yours is reliable? You say my stuff is ridiculous, Frank all I have to say is "WHATEVEEEERRRR!!". HAHAHAHA.
Just because I say there are other women way prettier than Joumana, doesn't mean I am jealous. Hell, I think I am prettier than Joumana and I'm sure I have a lot of men who would agree. You said yourself you are biased toward Arabic women, so there aren't going to be too many more people that you think are prettier than Joumana anyway. As I said b4 putang aint got no face anyway. Plus you can't give Jouman all her props because she has had surgery. Her stuff isn't natural anyway. She has altered her natural look anyway. She looked more African American b4 so you probably wouldn't have thought she was as pretty b4. I didn't know she was Arabic until she married Jason and I found out her maiden name.
Also let me ask you a ? which is another ridiculous statement you made out of rage (which you usually do). How can Jason be racist by dating only black women? HELLO HE'S BLACK!!! Racist is (last I recall) when someone thinks a different race is less superior. I believe what candygirl was saying is Jason "preferred" Brown Sugar (as in "SISTAS"). Preference and racist are 2 totally different things.
How old are you, you act very young. Your obsession with Joumana is sad. I can understand you having your opinion, but as far as being open minded, your are "So not". I do believe I have said numerous times I think Joumana is a pretty girl, if I was jealous of her why would I admit to thinking she is pretty? All I say is there are alot of prettier women out there, who are naturally pretty.
I'm not going to resort to getting upset with you, cuz you know what (as Tasha said), it's not my life and I could care less what you say or think. I have to put you in perspective a little. You need to come to terms with this obsession and chill a little.
Don't be mad "TWON", because Joumana isn't all you think she is. You have painted a heavenly picture of them and act like they are the only ones who have made changes in their life. You defend anything negative they do, and when someone begs to differ you get upset. Then the funny thing is you constantly contradict yourself or accuse people of thinking one way when if you have read, you don't even take into condideration the good things any1 says about them. Just because we have some negative things to say also, doesn't mean we don't have good things to say too. But you don't see that.
It's just sad. You need to start reading from the beginning and just realize how nuerotic you are being and how much you contradict yourself.
You probably scared Carl away, he was probably tired of going back and forth with your ridiculous scenarios of the "Cleavers". This is the reason earlier I didn't feel like talking about the whole "career" situation. I still feel it's a "gig", I wouldn't leave my family behind for that either. If it's her passion, again, as I said, she will make a way in San Antonio. The media is everywhere, especially NBA TV, which she has worked with also. She's not worried, obviously you are. AWWWW that's so cute!

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 1:26 PM

Unfortunately I missed the game last night had a school function. I heard the Nets played really bad. Then again they were in San Antonio, hopefully next game will be better. I want them to win, but San Antonio is a championship team so the Nets better step it up.

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 1:32 PM

"ATTENTION": Spelling correction to make Frank happy since he likes to correct people. I meant to say consideration instead of cindidteration. Sorry for any confusion Frank. Then again you get so mad you might not even notice it. Heck you browse through my post to pick out the negative and don't read them in it's entirety (obviously) anyway.

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 1:41 PM

Also you say Jason hasn't lived in the bay area in 10 years, so what this is home and he comes home during off season. And if Jessica wants to reply let her (I don't believe I was being disrespectful to her anyway). Then you say "as bad as they were 10 years agon", from your previous post Joumana wasn't bad at all (another contradiction). Heck by your recollection she was darn near a Saint.
You know, no, all my opinions aren't based on the past (if you would read I have said numerous times I think they have matured and some ways have changed), however, I think some of their ways are the same.

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 1:47 PM

frank, I'am quessing that you are not a favorite with the ladies here because you got to female all in ur grill!!(:

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 4:08 PM

oooooooooh catfight frank you got two females calling you out what do you have to say?

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 4:17 PM

Obviously, mb and candygirl both do not like Frank. I felt I needed to say something, because now it seems like gang up on Frank time. I think you guys should calm down a little, too. Frank hasn't ever called the Kidds saints. And he has pointed out some of Kidd's faults. Just because he says some nice things about them, does not mean he is obsessed or that he wants to marry Joumana. And if you were reading carefully, Frank put the word 'bad' in quotation marks. He did that to refer to your negative comments about their past and your insinuations that Kidd and his family were "bad." He wasn't contradicting himself.

Frank called your cell phone story ridiculous because it did kind of seem made up. I mean, who would know a specific convo that Kidd had on a cell phone with his friends and exactly what was said? But, now that you provided more information, MB, I believe your story a lot more now. It makes more sense. I think that is all Frank is looking for... clarification of some statements so that things seem more believable and make more sense. And mb, you last post did make your story seem a lot more real, so thanks for clarifying. Sometimes when people do not include themselves in the story, it makes it seem made up. But when you said you were at a party and what not, it cleared it up.

Mb, not to be rude, but I think you are a little conceited. You call yourself very beautiful and stuff like that.

Candygirl, if you go back to Frank's last post, he said that he thought Kidd was OLD enough to get married, not MATURE enough. Frank mentioned that he didn't know if Kidd was mature enough. He was 24, it wasn't like he was 19, so his age was fine.

I felt I had to post this because I am starting to feel a little bad for Frank now. You're all telling him to calm down, but you are the ones yelling at him. And you have to admit that you rarely ever say anything nice about Kidd. If you do, it is a quick 'I think they have matured'. The majority of your comments are about the bad things he did. And that's somewhat fine, because I like reading about the trouble that Kidd got into in the past. It is actually quite interesting, but do you think there is anything good that he does?

On another note, I hope the Nets can bounce back after their lackluster Game 1. San Antonio is not that great aside from Duncan, and even he can be contained. They just need to keep their intensity up for the whole game.

Posted by Jessica on June 5, 2003 4:19 PM

There was no reason for any name calling i was just tired of frank twisting my words.I wasn't insulting jason in any kind of shape or form i was just saying how alot things haven't changed ever since i left the bay area.I think jason is a great man but i also think that jason has his faults.Now frank i apoligize for the using profanity but you punched the wrong button.now just because i choose to say some things that might not portray jason in a good light is no reason for you my dear to get mad.I choose to say things that you might not agree on just like you "CHOOSE" to say things that i might not agree on that is what you call a discussion.There is no need for drama.I'am just stating my personal opinions something you have been doing frank or your just bsaically want everybody just stop saying negative stuff about jason kidd and his supposedly lovely life [the reason i say supposedly lovely because i don't know her from jump street and frankly i could care less if she is nice or not]i just stating what i know.aren't i entitled to that or am just suppose to gloat and brag about how good of a man jason is and great of a wife joumana is when i don't truly believe so.They are good people i will give them that.But even the greatest of people still have to correct some things they do in their daily lives but i'am sorry frank if i don't think joumana and jason are now just a power couple.i will be the one to give credit when credit is due but i won't be brainwashed into retracting my beliefs or my personal feelings.You are entitled to your opinion as i'am entitled to mine.I will start to respect your opinions if you start to respect mine.But that doesn't mean i will agree with you it just means that i respect what you have to say.again like i said loose the ego it is not worth your time.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 4:44 PM

I am sorry that I upset you all. I really feel bad about it.

First off, Kidd spent most of last summer in the NJ area, particulary the Hamptons (rated 1 of the country's top 10 beaches, by the way). He said he was in California for about two weeks in the beginning of July during a golf tournament. So he really isn't around the Bay Area much. He's more like a visitor now, instead of a resident. Obviously, the local media isn't going to follow him nearly as much.

Mb, I think I told you that you do not have to correct your spelling mistakes. They do not bother me and I make them, too. The way you mock me is a little rude.

I have seen Joumana before she had work done. I thought she just as beautiful. More than anything, I prefer Arabic women because of their skin tone, not too dark and not too light. She didn't change her skin color and her nose wasn't that bad to begin with, so yes I thought she was just as beautiful. If you are more beautiful than her like you boastfully claim to be, then that is great. You should count your blessings. But you do make it sound like she is ugly when you say that there are plenty of better looking women. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying.

NBA TV's headquarters is in New Jersey. It is a very accessible job for Joumana, just like Extra. Nothing of that caliber is available in San Antonio. The most she could do would be local programming, similar to the work she did in Phoenix.

I am not mad or outraged or anything like that. I am actually quite calm. Having a debate means that you counter some of the things that the other people say. If I didn't have any arguments against what you have to say, then there would be no debate and no action on this board. You go against what I have to say as well. You keep telling me that Joumana isn't as good as a think she is. I never said she was perfect. I just said I don't think she is as bad as you think she is. Can you come up with anything that recently happened that makes her seem like a bad person?

I respect everyone's opinions here and I, too, like to hear about the Kidd family's rough past. Mb and Candygirl have told me a lot that I haven't heard and I find it interesting. I only take it personally when you start to yell at me and mock me and tell me I am taking it overboard. I respect your opinions if you respect mine.

I said Kidd was the right age to get married, like Jessica pointed out. I said I didn't know if he was mature enough or not. In my opinion, when you hit someone, it does not necessarily mean that you thought hitting women is acceptible. It happens so fast, you don't exactly have time to think about what you are doing.

Mb, I have a question that has nothing to do with what we are talking about but... Have you heard about Kidd's alleged affair? Do you know if there is any truth to that?? Have you heard anything about it?? Thanks.

Posted by Frank on June 5, 2003 4:57 PM

jessica, no one was in here trying to pick a fight on frank infact i thought me and him had an understanding about some things point blank period.it was frank who started the name calling and i felt he needed to loose some of the anger because i didn't think it was a big deal.second of all i'am from the bay area so is frank and so is mb so the things we say may come off a little to passionate because we all heard the same thing but we have diffrent opinions about what was sayed.and third i think everyone has done some contridicting But the fact that mb called him out on it is the only reason why you seem to think we are picking on him.bottom line i feel strong in my beliefs so does mb so does frank i might say alot of good things about jason just like frank doesn't say alot of bad things is just our opinion whether you like it or not thats up to you but if read alot of the things i have sayed i was just giving people some info on jason since i get hear alot of it but i wasn't in here to say jason kidd is an evil person or joumana is a slut i thought i was letting people in here know some things about whether true or not because i thought ya'll might find it interesting but because you assume i'am trying to portray jason in a bad light is your problem so sorry for the confusion.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 4:59 PM

Jessica, all I have to say to you is that the only reason I call Frank out (call it ganging up if you like but I'm not trying to gang up on him w anyone) is for the simple fact, he doesn't respect any1's opinion except his or whoever agrees with what he says. If you see he did Carl the same way. He gets upset and personal when someone post something he doesn't agree with and lashes out, all I do is retaliate. If Frank doesnt agree with what sum1 says, just say he doesn't agree. He doesn't have to resort 2 name calling or saying things are ridiculous.
I shouldn't always have to break down my stories to the core every time I say something about them, I'm not here to satisfy any1's curiosity just so they can believe me. If they don't agree no need to lash out is all I'm saying.
Also just because I think I am pretty doesn't mean I'm conceited, it just means I think I'm pretty.

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 4:59 PM

I haven't heard about Jason's alleged affair. All I have heard is bits and pieces off of here. Call me naive (because most ball players do cheat on their wives), but I don't see Jason cheating on Joumana. Then again I could be wrong.

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 5:06 PM

i meant to say i may not say alot of good things about jason.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:10 PM

I am sorry Candygirl if I have ever "twisted your words" or misunderstood what you were trying to say. I also apologize for saying anything that may have sounded contadicting. I will try to clarify myself better in the future.

You don't have to gloat about Kidd. Like I said, I enjoy reading your stories. They are truly very interesting. I have even said that I agree with you on more than one occasion.

Posted by Frank on June 5, 2003 5:11 PM

what happen with the catfight jessica why did you have to come in and ruin it all it was just starting to get good (:

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 5:13 PM

I' sorry too frank i didn't mean to get personal and i too agreed on some of the things you have said i just thought you were taking what i was saying on my earlier post as insulting joumana and jason when i was doing just the opposite.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:18 PM

Mb, I am sorry I called your story ridiculous. That was uncalled for. I apologize and I no longer feel the same way after you provided more information.

I will only get upset when people mock me or insult me or tell me to calm down when I am not even upset. I do not care if you insult Kidd, that is fine, just don't mock me. I also will get upset when people make up stories just to sound cool. (Like that guy bob, maybe.) But like I said, Candygirl and MB are trustworthy people. I know that.

Posted by Frank on June 5, 2003 5:23 PM

candygirl and mb said you were joumana's ho.now get on with the fight!!!

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 5:27 PM

carson if you don't shut the F#%K up.why would you start some mess just you can laugh at everybody.Grow up!!

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:30 PM

don't get mad at me that you and mb called jessica bitc#

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 5:31 PM

jessica what do you have to say!!

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 5:32 PM

jessica, no one in here called you the b word he is obviously trying to create unessary drama.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:38 PM

carson, I'd really rather not, but if you're just trying to stir things up then, yes, I will delete your comments.

Anyone else, please ignore his attempts so far....

Posted by Matt on June 5, 2003 5:41 PM

actually frank i have heard something about jason's "alleged" affair but i'am in the process of trying to find out if it is true or not so i don't won't to really comment on it unless you heard something different otherwise.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:41 PM

who in the world is matt and why are you here???? why would i won't you to delete my comments??

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 5:44 PM

As I said b4 when we went through this back and forth with Carl, I don't want to disrespect any1's opinion. Thats why previously I told Frank to squash, because I feel when I say something he doesn't agree with he lashes out and I find it quite offensive when I try to be open minded and diplomatic. I don'tt believe I have used profanity or called Joumana outside of her name. I feel Frank you take things personal that shouldn't be. We don't know these people for heavens sake.
I agree, in a discussion you do agree and disagree, but when I feel I'm being outright critisized I retaliate (something I shouldn't do, but it's hard not to).
Sorry if you are upset about the spelling mistake thing but I just felt you keep getting too upset and that was another way I retaliated.

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 5:45 PM

because your not talking about anything important so either your in this conversation or your not.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:46 PM

I'm sorry but this carson cat needs to get a life. HELLO!!!! Matt is the person who runs this site. And whether you want him to or not, he will delete your comments. As a matter of fact, Matt why don't you do that anyway.

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 5:48 PM

what just happened here am i just blind or do i actually see people finally getting along i thinks this calls for a group hug(:

Posted by tasha on June 5, 2003 5:49 PM

Matt, why don't you just zap him out of this website i think that will work best.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:52 PM

tasha, you are sorry and lame please lose the emotional bull crap we know that mb doesn't like candygirl she is just to scared to admitt it.

Posted by carson on June 5, 2003 5:55 PM

okay leave now or forever hold your mouth piece cuz i'am about ready to kick in your two front teeth.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 5:57 PM

children on this website say no to violence i won't kick in anybody's front teeth i don't even know where this carson character is from.

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 6:00 PM

Okay Carson is in dire need for some ATTENTION! Please everyone say hi to carson. "Hello Carson"

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 6:00 PM

Everybody when you see a post from Carson just ignore him, eventually he will shut up. Just don't respond

Carry On!

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 6:02 PM

my father is lebonese with Iranian and samali descent and my mother is african cuban greek and italian.so basically i'am black(:

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 6:06 PM

i seriously doubt it how would you know me??

Posted by candygirl on June 5, 2003 6:11 PM

Creole, Tahitian and German

Posted by mb on June 5, 2003 6:23 PM

('ru boy' was just carson again; I deleted his comments. Carson, please keep it civil. (Try that again and you won't be able to post here any more.))

Posted by Matt on June 5, 2003 10:02 PM

I'am not saying anything because i don't want you to find an old picture of me that would be embarrasing!(:

Posted by candygirl on June 6, 2003 10:38 AM

I think joumana is truly a very sweet and intelligent person i think she can hold her own when it comes to jason kidds popularity.

Posted by pinky on June 6, 2003 11:53 AM

does anyone think the nets are going to win?

Posted by tasha on June 6, 2003 2:32 PM

A lot of you guys talk about race like it's a label. Why does it matter what race/nationality Joumana, Iverson's wife or anyone else is? Does this determine a person's character? America needs to get over the color/nationality thing... It's so played.

Posted by Whocares? on June 6, 2003 4:39 PM

You guys talk about black women in a slightly derrogatory manner. Black women are one of THE most exotic women in the world - so many bite our style (braids, clothes, fashion - shall I go on?). Unfortunately, the media doesn't give enough positive black, female images. Instead, you see these tired sistas and wonder from what shelter the casting director got them from. And then there's the WNBA.. Did someone forget to tell these sistas that they're on national t.v.? Fellas, there ARE a lot Halle's and Tyra's out there - we are just under- and misrepresented. They say that man originated in Africa. If this is true, then black women are the queens of civilization and deserve much more respect. Give it up.

P.S.
My name is Joni and I'm black so you can drop the "black name/Joumana" thing.

Posted by Joni on June 6, 2003 6:54 PM

Hi guys, I'm a little late to the group. I was reading all the comments up top about Jason Kidd sleeping with Mateen Cleaves girlfriend. Does anyone know if that is true? If it is still possible could you send that article to me(Anonymous) Plesae?

My e-mail address is pimpology132000@yahoo.com
Thanks

Posted by Antonea on June 7, 2003 1:32 PM

some people wish that we lived in a color blind world but the sad thing is that will never be the case people are going to find some way to judge whether your black,white,indian,spanish,arabic,asian or if your short or fat tall or skinny there will be something that people will find to dinstinct you from themselves or other people.In truth every body is mixed with something.you may think your just "BLACK" but in fact there is a probabilty your heritage is "Mixed" with something same thing with whites you may think your just "white" but in fact don't be shock if you find some african heritage somewhere in your family tree.we all come from a great melting pot.If you you look at the latino race they are a mixture of african, native american, and european so you can't really define a latino of one race.same as egyptians there is not really a "TRUE" egyptian there are defined as arabic but in fact they are a makeup of a hammitic stock wich consist of arabic and ancient egyptians which are believed to be africans.so in all truths there are beautiful people in every race not just one and we as americans should be proud of that we shouldn't deny our identity because we don't to be characterize in one ethnic group but thats who we are and i wouldn't want to deny that but at the same time i want to be judge for me as a person and not because of my race because in reality EVERBODY is mixed with something.just thought i would give my opinion!!(:

Posted by candygirl on June 7, 2003 4:51 PM

I just knew the nets would win one !!!!!

Posted by candygirl on June 7, 2003 4:59 PM

where did this race issue come from?

Posted by tasha on June 7, 2003 5:52 PM

i don't know i just gave my opinion hopefully this won't be our next topic of discussion.

Posted by candygirl on June 7, 2003 6:05 PM

the nets may have won one game but i doubt they will win anymore.

Posted by rain on June 8, 2003 4:01 PM

just to say somthing about joumana ethnicity.I'am a beatiful white lady with blonde hair and blue eyes and i doubt that joumana kidd looks better than me.

Posted by meg on June 8, 2003 4:05 PM

Meg, that is your opinion. You probably think you are better looking than her because you are confident in yourself. That is a good thing, your self esteem is high. But did you see Joumana at the game on Friday night? I have never seen a more gorgeous woman in my life. She may be a little skinny, but that face... beautiful. I cannot find a flaw on that face, no moles, no marks, no blemishes, nothing, and she's what? 30?! Amazing, beautiful skin. And makeup can only hide so much and the camera got very close to her face, practically up her nose... Just flawless. I really can't find anything wrong with her face. I never knew she was that beautiful until I saw her Friday... wow. Hope they show her again tonight.

Posted by Richard on June 8, 2003 4:37 PM

good for you richard but fortunetly i don't find women attractive..And what is she what is she mixed with.she looks like a rat in the face.

Posted by meg on June 8, 2003 5:14 PM

A rat? Um, ok. You think you're attractive but you can't tell if others are attractive? Whatever. She is Palestinian, Lebanese, Egyptian, and Jordanian.


On another note... The game was sad tonight. The Nets gave that one away. The Spurs did not play very well at all and the Nets just could not find a way to take full advantage of that. They had a lead and gave it away. Jefferson looks horrible out there. The bench has not produced much at all. Kidd is having trouble. That badly sprained ankle must still be having its effects. I just hope the Nets haven't given up and come out with a little more fire in Game 4. The Spurs are not that good. The Nets have found a way to contain Duncan pretty well and Parker and Jackson can only make shots when they are open. There is little production from everybody else on that team. If the Nets play a little better, they should have no problem with San Antonio.

Posted by Richard on June 9, 2003 1:31 AM

Hey Frank, on another note. I thought about things and you know what? If we were living in Jersey, all we would know of the Kidds is what we heard in Jersey. So it's kind of hard to not be biased coming from the town, you hear alot and see alot of the past. I still feel the way I do about Jason as far as a father, but if I was born and raised in Jersey then I would probably have a differnet opinion. So please try to understand my feelings. The only thing I get upset with is when I feel you don't respect my opinion. I feel you get disrespectful when I say something you outright don't agree with.
For Meg, sorry honey, I might not be a Joumana fan, but I have to keep it real, she is a pretty girl. You have to give her her props, she is pretty. I personally think she was prettier b4, but she is still pretty. Who cares if you are a white woman with blond hair and blue eyes, how many of you are out there? Joumana is a pretty girl, point blank, period!!
Ethnic women are beautiful period. Ethnicity makes them stand out.
I'm so pissed at Jersey for tonight I could just scream!!!

Posted by mb on June 9, 2003 1:58 AM

I'm not tryin to defend Joumana or nothin, but Meg, what was the point of postin that bullshit?

Would you like a trophy for bein a blonde haired blued eyed woman? I don't get it, what was your point?

You must be some little kid gettin on your mommy's computer for the first time.

Posted by Anonymous on June 9, 2003 4:12 AM

i saw tj last night he is so adorable to me!!(:

Posted by tasha on June 9, 2003 11:19 AM

caucasian women period are the worlds most beautiful women.It is obvious joumana is trying to copy white women style otherwise why would she have surgery on her nose...because she wants to look more white.She is fake as he%* and i'am just pointing that out.everybody talkking about how pretty she is of course she going to look pretty she is trying to look white...face the facts people white women are the best looking otherwise why are these races stealing our style... because they want to look like us.black.arabic,spanish, they all look the same to me and now the want to look more european.And i'am sorry but black women aren't the mother of the universe so for whoever said that realize you trying to look white i'am not trying to look black or arabic or whaterver.
oh by the way i'am 22 years and have the right to say how i feel.

Posted by meg on June 9, 2003 11:30 AM

meg, you know i hated that sayed what you sayed but now that you have said it let me ask you this.why is more white men are marrying more ethnic looking women??? why because i bet everybody are getting tired of the blond bombshell look.I'am not necessarily mean that white men are marrying black women but i'am saying they are looking for a more ethnic appeal you know the dark features dark hair darker colored skin and it seems weired that more and more white men are looking for love outside of there race hmmm... seems like the whole blue eyed blond hair thing isn't all that appealing.this isn't meant for all white women but personally this is for you meg.i bet you tan your skin and if your skin color is the best as you say why make it darker.Now there are black men who seemed to be attracted to your theory but there are plenty of fish in the sea and i know for a fact that if a black man doesn't come along a white man will because i pretty sure they are tired of women like you who have that stuck up attitude that because your white your better looking than her.Please!!!!!!!! i bet if a white man or any man for that matter had to pick between you or joumana i bet he would pick the ethnic looking women [meaning joumana]over you.So i will give up for my ethnic looking sisters thats even you joumana.

Posted by candygirl on June 9, 2003 11:49 AM

hey has anyone seen that 50 cent video 21 questions? i wanted to know if anyone knew that girl name that was in the video because she is fine!!! that is the epitomy of a beautiful women i think she was that movie biker boys.if anyone knows please tell me her name.

Posted by jay on June 9, 2003 12:53 PM

why is there a discussion anyway it doesn' matter that joumana is middle eastern i will be the first to admitt that she is a very pretty lady and i don't think it matters what race she is.

Posted by tasha on June 9, 2003 1:58 PM

just to clear something up the comment that i posted was not meant to all white women[or specificaly anyone who doesn't agree with meg]I was just saying that people are a rainbow of colors and everyone is beautiful in Gods eyes and we should a least try to see people in that way instead of saying joumana's pretty to be middle eastern or tyra banks is pretty to be african american.That is just plain out ignorance and i'am sick and tired of the whole race and color issue.why can't joumana be beautiful because she is beautiful instead she is beautiful to be middle eastern?that is pathetic and i get this from alot of people who are surprise on how joumana looks because "some" people think that middle eastern people are not all that attractive but thats the same with african americans to "some" people don't expect to find to many attractive black females because the media potray us as being ghetto or whores instead sophisticated and independent like so many of our black females are.The media potrays white women as the most beautiful and exotic and thats why meg i'am assuming is the reason why you think your better looking than joumana.Well i'am sorry you feel that way but from a person who has dated men of different races and different backgrounds i don't think it is fair that you feel that arabic,spanish.and african women are trying to jock white women style.Because the white boyfriends that i had appreciate my culture and found black women the sexiest because we didn't mind to be different from what it is consider beautiful in america's beauty standards.they liked that i was full figured and had natural full lips and hips and didn't mind at all that my but was big infact they loved it.but to each his own and what you may consider attractive or beautiful doesn't necessarily mean that people are going to agree with you.

Posted by candygirl on June 9, 2003 2:22 PM

okay whatever candygirl but i bet you half of these men who saw joumana liked her because she looked white.thats the only reason.i thought she was mixed black and white so i wasn't surprise that men fond her attractive because i just quessed her white mother gave her her good looks.so imagined my surprise that she was middle eastern.Are you sure she doesn't have white in her otherwise she is the only middle eastern girl that is pretty.but for black people to say how beautiful amd exotic black women are racist. whats wrong for me to say how beautiful white women are?is it wrong for me to be proud of my race or am i not suppose to speak of white pride because i will percieved to be racist? come on people where does the hypocrasy ends because it is ridiculous on how so of these men fond over joumana when she is not all that pretty.

Posted by meg on June 9, 2003 2:34 PM

meg do i smell jealousy or your just a bitter person come on now!!I don't even like joumana all that much but i will be the first admitt that she is a very beautiful lady because unlike you i see people for who they are and not what their race is you may won't to try appreciating that before you step up and run across the wrong person because a computer screen won't protect you from some peoples wrath.

Posted by candygirl on June 9, 2003 2:41 PM

Just out of curiousity, what was the original purpose/topic of this bulletin board????

Posted by Martine on June 9, 2003 2:59 PM

"hey has anyone seen that 50 cent video 21 questions? i wanted to know if anyone knew that girl name that was in the video because she is fine!!!"

Her name is Meagan Good.

Posted by Nobody on June 9, 2003 4:47 PM

No, Meg. Joumana has no caucasian blood in her. Her beauty has nothing to do with her ethnicity. Blonde hair and blue eyes are soo typical nowadays. Some people like something different. I think you are a bit jealous of Joumana.

Posted by Richard on June 9, 2003 5:21 PM

Mb, I understand why you may feel biased. That's normal. I consider myself a little less biased because even though I live on the west coast, I try to follow Kidd in depth by reading the New Jersey/New York newspapers on the internet. They tell you a lot. Also, with some family in Jersey that can send me tapes, I get to watch some of the local shows that feature Kidd.

I respect all of your opinions. No one can take your opinions away from you.

Posted by Frank on June 9, 2003 5:26 PM

All I have to say for this meg character is NEXT!!
C Frank this is the reason why I said I think Joumana was prettier b4 surgery, because she was more ethnic looking. Meg you sound so silly. First you say that white women are so beautiful and thats why Joumana had surgery to be like white women, then you say she's ugly. So what is that saying, she changed herself to look white and ugly? I mean you said it not me.
I'm not even going to go into my personal opinion about the whole white women black men thing because I don't want to offend other races, but as far as the stereotype goes, we all know what thats about, and it isn't looks.
Again I'm not a Joumana fan, but she is a pretty girl, and she was prettier b4 she chopped her nose and got the fake boobs and is now rail thin.
Meg don't get too fired up for the white women because again, it's not the looks the men are attracted too. Shoot most the brotha's that have the white women on their arms are not pretty at all. Shoot ya'll invented extensions and plastic surgery. So who are you trying to look like?

Posted by mb on June 9, 2003 6:17 PM

Well I just wanted to say that I don't think it matters whether Meg, MB, or anyone else for that matter, thinks Joumana Kidd is pretty. As long as she's happy with herself all of you guys (especially Meg)can just fu@# off. Plus Jason obviously likes her or he wouldn't be married to her.

Posted by Jen on June 10, 2003 7:52 AM

One more thing. MB said in one of his or her posts that if Jason wasn't a basketball player he or she is sure that Joumana would've left him. I'm sick of hearing stuff like that because it simply isn't true. My own sister is in a abusive relationship with a guy that never had nothing in the past, doesn't have anything now, and I'm betting won't have anything in the future, and she continues to stay with him. If anything Joumana probably stayed because she loves him, or because of her son. Was it the right decision? I don't know, only she can be the judge of that, but either way at least he got help (which is more than I can say for my sister's boyfriend).

Posted by Jen on June 10, 2003 8:09 AM

lets get off the subject because its pointless to start mess when the subject is rididculous.

Posted by tasha on June 10, 2003 10:40 AM

okay next subject please!!! and this time people {MEG} post something that has a point instead of something as irrevalant as your previous post okay!!!

Posted by candygirl on June 10, 2003 10:45 AM

has anyone heard the rumor that joumana is trying to get melissa starks job?? i hope not because a basketball players wife doesn't belong on the football field even if she is cute.

Posted by virgo on June 10, 2003 10:52 AM

Why wouldn't it be her place to be on the field if thats her job. I say make that money girl. She sure looks better than Melissa Starks.
And Meg sometimes that is true. bottom line some women have insecurities as well that keeps them in an abusive relationship. My first love was abusive when I was younger. He wasn't as abusive as some men, but he was abusive. I got out totally, I moved to another state, but I got out. Some women just can't, fortunately I did. Women stay for different reasons. That was my opinion of why Joumana might have stayed. It could be true, we don't know.

Posted by mb on June 10, 2003 11:25 AM

yeah i heard that to but i think she would be good at it.

Posted by tasha on June 10, 2003 12:35 PM

What do you mean by insecurities? Joumana said she was ready to move back home right away. She said she had a plan in 10 minutes. She was out of there. But, she was blown away by Jason's response and he convinced her that he was going to change and fix whatever they had to fix. He practically begged her to stay with him. There was an acticle about it last October in a New Jersey paper. You really have to admire the way they devoted themselves to correcting their marital troubles. Not many people would go through with that, too much work. I think that's why I like the Kidds so much. They don't take marriage for granted. I can't stand all these famous couples getting married for no reason and then divorcing. I hate people that get married and divorced a million times. Not many people take marriage seriously nowadays.

Posted by Jessica on June 10, 2003 4:12 PM

When domestic violence is involved thats a whole new area. Getting divorced over silly things, of course is stupid. Seperating due 2 domestic violence isn't stupid. Joumana wasn't ready to leave because in her 911 call she said it happens all the time. It wasn't like that was the first time he hit her, that was the first time it became public because she called the police. When his situation became public, Phoenix didn't react too kindly. I think the classes are what made him realize what was important. I'm glad that Jason did get his stuff together because he loves his wife, however, I think the way Phoenix reacted to his situation prompted him to get the help, otherwise he would have probably still been putting his hands on her. Sorry I can't agree with you all the way on that one. I can speak from experience.
Marraige is work, it just depends on what type of work your willing to go through. Some people aren't going to tolerate domestic violence and you have to respect that.

Posted by mb on June 10, 2003 4:58 PM

You're assuming that Joumana has been hit more than once. I think she was just trying to make Kidd look bad out of spite. She said something like this herself. I think she was just so angry at Kidd at the time and got caught up in the moment and said some things without really thinking about what she was saying. When I'm really mad at someone, I sometimes say things about them that aren't true or that are mean or that are slightly exaggerated. So if Joumana is telling the truth about the situation, then yes, she was ready to leave Kidd after she got hit once. If Joumana is lying about the incident, then my bad.

Don't get me wrong, I think separating because of domestic violence is perfectly fine. I agree with you on that one. But when the abuser promises that he will never hit the person again and when he goes out of his way to make everything better, I can admire that. I'm not saying that this has to be the case for everyone, because I know it's not. I know that there are abusers out there who say they aren't going to be violent anymore and in reality, they are. It's just that I can admire two people whose marriage means so much to them that they will do anything to stay together, even after a horrible incident.

I was saying that there are people out there that do not get married in the first place for the right reasons and then divorce because they realize they are not in love. That is what bothers me. People like Jennifer Lopez, who thinks that marriage is one big joke. People like this just get married for the heck of it. The way the Kidds worked through their problems show me that they didn't just get married for the heck of it. Again, I know this isn't always the case for others, but in this particular situation, I find it admirable.

Sure, Jason got help because the court ordered him to. But after the mandated 6 months was up, Kidd still involved himself in frequent counseling. This tells me that he would have gotten professional help regardless of what the court wanted. Also, I am sure that there are plenty of things that he did privately to help the situation. He's not an idiot. He knew that his wife was giving him his last and final chance. Another hit and that marriage would be over. Jason knew that, that is why he worked so hard to change.

Yeah, Jason needed to get arrested to realize what was important in his life. But, that's okay. He lives an artificial life where it is easy to lose focus of what means the most to you. His environment isn't that of a normal person's.

Posted by Jessica on June 11, 2003 12:59 AM

Since everyone keeps asking race questions here, do any of ya'll know what race Aaron Williams is?

Posted by Anonymous on June 14, 2003 8:40 PM

Aaron is half black, half white.

Posted by Anonymous on June 14, 2003 11:06 PM

ok thanks

Posted by Anonymous on June 15, 2003 12:56 AM

If Jason Kidd leaves NJ, I will commit suicide. So if he leaves, I hope my suicide is known so that Kidd will feel guilty.

Posted by Anonymous on June 16, 2003 1:49 AM

the nets lost how sad but they will be back next year!!(:

Posted by tasha on June 16, 2003 10:09 AM

Well he probably wouldn't even be considering leaving if anybody on the Nets besides himself could make a shot, or at least make a decent attempt at one.

Posted by Jaime on June 16, 2003 10:12 AM

I hope the Spurs go after a big man to replace Robinson instead of Kidd. Parker and Claxton are not the problem. They are both very young and will only get better. The Spurs need a center and a better small forward and a better bench. The point guard position is the least of their problems. I hope Kidd has no choice but to stay in New Jersey. Even though I think he should stay here anyway.

Posted by Richard on June 16, 2003 12:02 PM

okay, while we're at it, does anyone know if david robinson is married to a white woman. a friend said he was but his kids looked awfully dark

Posted by mildred on June 16, 2003 2:24 PM

did anyone see tony parker!!! he is adorable i just want to rap him up and take him home to show all my friends!!(:

Posted by araya on June 16, 2003 3:23 PM

i think david robinson's wife is hispanic.Thats what someone told me.maybe thats why his kids are brown complected instead of white.

Posted by tasha on June 16, 2003 3:27 PM

of all the people who sucked on last night game it had to be kenyon martin the main guy who got the nets that far.If only he gotten sick after the nets won the series which i think they could have if he was feeling better.

Posted by tasha on June 16, 2003 4:46 PM

I agree Tasha. Kenyon should not be judged on his last 2 games. The people that are questioning his ability haven't seen him play the rest of the season. He carried the Nets for plenty of games. And he will only get better. I am sure Jason will realize this once he calms down a little about losing in the Finals.

I also think the Nets could and should have won that series. The Spurs did not play well at all and the Nets responded by just played downright awful the whole series. The Nets were more than capable of winning that series in 5 games or less. I hope Jason realizes that San Antonio isn't a better team than the Nets. They are not more talented. Without Tim Duncan, they are much worse than the Nets are without Kidd... much worse. The Spurs are far from a complete team.

Posted by Anonymous on June 16, 2003 8:03 PM

David Robinson's wife Valerie Robinson is half Black half White

Posted by Kevin C on June 16, 2003 8:33 PM

which parent of aaron williams is black and which parent is white

Posted by anonymous on June 16, 2003 8:54 PM

i like the nets but i'am glad my baby tony parker won a championship!!!

Posted by araya on June 17, 2003 10:14 AM

I think Jason has a better chance at winning a championship with the nets than with the spurs.To break it down ther spurs superstar is tim duncan thats a given.Tony parker is only 21 and his talent is stilling maturing.The way tony parker played on the first two games is only going to get better i mean he is only 21 and still has alot to learn but the that he came into the league being the 28th pick and now is on the spurs starting line up speaks for its self the boy is good and he only going to get better he did infact shut jkidd out the first two games[even though he sucked on the last three]tony is proving he going to a valuable memeber of the spurs roster.they may also think age wise even though jason is only 30 but the fact that they have a 21 year old playing the way he has been playing and been in the the league for what 2 years shows he still has growing talent that they haven't even seen yet.Jason best bet is with jersey because richard jefferson and k-mart are proving to be worthy contenders and probably are the best fowards in the league so far and given that RJ is only 22 and k-mart is only 25,they are only going to become even better and worthy opponents each year that even shaq and crew won't have a answer for. If Jason kidd chooses to go to the spurs he is only going to be selling himself short and regret it in the long wrong because new jersey are proving to be an up an coming dynasty thats only going to get better for the years to come.

Posted by tasha on June 17, 2003 10:39 AM

I don't think jkidd is going anywhere given the fact that joumana has been outright honest about not wanting to move again.Jason has to put his wife needs into consideration considering that she is is flourishing as a tv reporter and her main gigs are usually are at the new york metro area.and knowing that she wants to expand her career would only set her back if jason decides to play with the spurs she said it herself that she is a city girl and that tj loves new jersey better than san antonio.and seeing that she has been working for main stream television stations and is a fan favorite in the new york new jersey area i doubt that she would want to go back to guest appearances on local television stations and hosting radio talk shows when her main love is tv.Trust me jason isn't going anywhere joumana won't allow it to happen.(:

Posted by marsh on June 17, 2003 10:53 AM

i didn't know tim duncan wife was white?? heck i didn't know that he was married.. oh well i guess the trend will continue with these ball players i hope he married for love and not social status.

Posted by erin on June 17, 2003 10:59 AM

New jersey a dynasty!! please cut the crap rj and k-mart are good but if jason leaves the nets the nets will only start playing the way they use to play before jkidd,poor and disgraceful,sorry but that is the god honest truth hate to tell ya that but its the truth.

Posted by maj on June 17, 2003 11:06 AM

so what if jason leaves they still have a team of very talented ball players who only going to get better.and if jason leaves they still will have the salary cap to acquire any free angent they won't and i pretty sure if jason doesen't want his old job jermaine oneal will.

Posted by tasha on June 17, 2003 11:11 AM

they want is what i meant to say! oops my bad(:

Posted by tasha on June 17, 2003 11:13 AM

I think Jason should stay in Jersey. He has established himself in Jersey and made his name household there. Jason has always been a great player, but lets face it, Jersey has allowed him to be more of a leader. I'm so pissed they lost to San Antonio but I had a feeling that San Antonio would take it, their a championship team. I like Tony Parker but he does need to mature a little in his game because he makes bad shooting decisions. Sometimes he shoots the ball when he really should pass it, because those are the shots he always misses. He has been missing a lot of shots. He should consider his wife as well. If she wants a career and he is doing well in Jersey, why move? If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I don't think the Nets will be as good without Jason, however, I don't think they will crumble either. If he leaves he could be replaced, but it will take them a couple years to get back where they were. I don't see any other team allowing Jason to take charge the way he can with Jersey.
San Antonio might not have played as well as usual, but Jersey let them take it from them. There was a couple times they allowed the Spurs to catch up from a deficit of 15-20. Defense wins championships, and Jersey only played 50%. They could have won but there were times when they were slippin too hard.

Can I just say, what is up with David Robinson's barber? Why can't he just f-up his cut on purpose and be like "OOOP's, sorry dawg, I f-ed up, now I gotta cut it all of"! I mean what does he do, take a picture of Grace Jones in and say "Cut me up just like this?", or what? I mean if AC Green could cut the curl, then David can get rid of that boxx.
And why were his parents kickin' it soooo hard at the game? I was rollin'. You didn't see his pops with that wack a-- haircut. They seem super cool.
I think Tim Duncan is an extraordinary ball player, he handles his business on the court, but Tim, can we see some emotion man?!? I mean he has that same expression for every play. He could dunk on someone hella hard and his expression is still the same.

Posted by mb on June 17, 2003 12:16 PM

well everyone has strong points but wait 5 years tony parker is going to be the better point guard in the long run.

Posted by araya on June 17, 2003 2:10 PM

okay!!!,tim duncan always looks clueless.He always has that same dumb expression on his face eveytime he makes a play.this man almost had a quadriple double sunday night he could aleast show some teeth!(:

Posted by tasha on June 17, 2003 2:16 PM

did anyone see the lady sitting next to joumana??i thought for a moment it was jason's mother but i'am not sure all i know it was a white lady who was hugging joumana after jason made a 3 pointer.i didn't see tj at all sunday. was he even there??

Posted by maj on June 17, 2003 2:22 PM

has anyone seen kenyon martins fiancee??if so can you describe how she looks like please??

Posted by araya on June 17, 2003 2:24 PM

where is candygirl??

Posted by tasha on June 17, 2003 2:26 PM

i think jason is desperate to win a championship and i don't think he want's to take his chances with the nets.i see him playing with the spurs next year.

Posted by amber on June 17, 2003 3:35 PM

i have a feeling he is going to play for the spurs next year.

Posted by araya on June 17, 2003 4:53 PM

I am so so so upset at the fact that my NETS lost the serious. What I am more upset about is all this trash talking about Jason Kidd. What is going on in here? Damn, last time I posted he was a god everything looked great. Then I come back and everyone is slandering or sticking up for him because of the people slandering him. Hey he's human. Humans make mistakes. So he beat his wife. He did something about it, he showed remorse. Leave him and his family alone already. He's a great guy and I love him and his game and wether he comes back next year as a NET or not he will always be in my heart as "Jason Kidd the great".
Can't we all just get along in here...
PS can someone send me those posts that were deleted. I'm curious.. KEG91@hotmail.com

Even though we didn't win NETS are still #1 in my book!

Posted by Karina on June 17, 2003 4:55 PM

I meant lost the series! Boy I see we all have our English grammer all screwed up in here!

Posted by Karina on June 17, 2003 5:03 PM

I doubt he will win a championship with the Spurs either.

Posted by mb on June 17, 2003 6:58 PM

T.j kidd is a cute lil' boy. yall cant deny iy. spurs deserved to win. they the best cuz a tim duncan. dont hate on them.

Posted by Anonymous on June 17, 2003 8:52 PM

T.j kidd is a cute lil' boy. yall cant deny it. spurs deserved to win. they the best cuz a tim duncan. dont hate on them.

Posted by Anonymous on June 17, 2003 8:52 PM

tim duncan is the BEST playa in the nba, betta than kobe. thats right, i said it. its true.tj kidd is too cute and hes gonna be a balla when he grows up too

Posted by jennifer on June 17, 2003 8:55 PM

Jason Kidd isn't guaranteed a championship with San Antonio, either. You gotta have a little luck to win a championship. The Spurs got lucky this year... the Lakers had injuries and an overweight Shaq, Dallas lost their best player and their starting center, and the Nets played downright horribly and Kenyon had a flu that he could not fully recover from. The Spurs got lucky.

The Nets have just as good of a chance of winning a championship next year, if not a better chance, than the Spurs. The Nets road to the Finals is just so much easier. It is more likely that the Spurs would lose in the 1st or 2nd round, not the Nets, who should practically cruise to the Finals.

A couple upgrades and the Nets will be fine. Jason should stay here and finish what he started. If he signed with the Spurs, anything less than a championship would make his decision look like a failure and will make the Spur's decision to sign him look like a failure. They will think, 'Why did we sign him when we won without him?' That's just too much pressure to put on Kidd.

The Nets are soooo close. They could have won this year, they just needed a little more luck. They will get there. This team revolves around Kidd, they fit his style of play perfectly. He's in the New York metro area. The endorsements and opportunities for him and his wife are endless. He won't want to make his family move. He should think of them first, because if he is a good man, he will make his wife and kids his first priority. He knows Joumana won't truly be happy in San Antonio.

Stay here, Jason. It's for your own good.

Posted by Jessica on June 17, 2003 10:34 PM

I think Kidd just needs a little time to unwind after another disappointing loss in the Finals. He will realize that he lost in the FINALS, not the 1st round, not the 2nd round. He will realize that most people would die to be in his shoes. As bad as the Nets managed to play, they still won two more games than last year in the Finals. They are improving. The tide will eventually turn. Jessica's right. You do need some luck. Kidd is an intelligent man, he will realize this. He will realize that Kenyon has carried this team for a good part of the year. He will realize that is was just bad luck that Kenyon lost his groove after his battle with the flu. It happens. Just some bad luck.
Kidd is perfectly fine where he is. He will remember his 4 years in Phoenix, all of those early playoff exits. He will see how lucky and blessed he is to be in NJ, where a trip to the finals will be commonplace. In fact, this has spoiled Kidd. He expected a championship right away. He has to remember where he came from. You're gonna win one here in NJ, Jason, just be patient.

Posted by Richard on June 17, 2003 10:49 PM

no jason is going to be a net next season!!

Posted by tasha on June 18, 2003 12:46 PM

Now that's better, nothing but nice things are being said now. however, I'm still waiting for someone extremely nice to email me all the deleted posts about Jason and this other person he cheated with. Come on peeps the suspense is killing me! Someone do the right thing already.

NETS #1 FOREVER!!!
JASON KID #1 FOREVER!!!!
JASON AND NJ PERFECT TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY JASON WE LOVE YOU TOO MUCH TO LET YOU GO!

EMAIL= KEG91@HOTMAIL.COM

Posted by karina on June 18, 2003 4:42 PM

has anyone seen kenyon martins fiancee??if so can you describe how she looks like please??

Posted by araya on June 17, 2003 2:24 PM
______

Check this out:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/89090p-81032c.html

Posted by A Carmelo Anthony Fan on June 18, 2003 5:25 PM

thankyou for the website info.he has a very pretty littl girl!!(:

Posted by araya on June 19, 2003 10:59 AM

i think tj is finally growing into his head it doesn't look so big anymore.

Posted by araya on June 19, 2003 11:00 AM

jason shouldn't make the nets suffer because he says he has alot to things to think about,Please!!!!!!!!!! jason is just being plain out arrogant and wants to let the world know that he is the most wanted player in the league.you should read some of the articles that has him saying that he doesn't want to be a bridesmaid anymore.Well when he was in phoenix he wasn't even a maid more like a guest so he needs to quit complaining and stay his narrow a$$ in new jersey he owes kmart and rj that much.

Posted by comet on June 19, 2003 1:30 PM

I agree Comet. Jason would be selfish if he left. He thinks the world revolves around him. He has to understand that he is not guaranteed a championship ANYWHERE. The Nets have just as good as a shot as anyone. Does he realize that the Spurs only have 5 guys signed for next year?? Not much of a team if you ask me. I wonder if he has done this research. Yeah, Tim Duncan is there, but two guys can't make a good team. Who do the Spurs have after Tim? Malik Rose? Bruce Bowen?

I also hope Jason does research about the weather in NJ. The winter and spring that NJ has had this year is NOT normal. NJ springs are similar to those of the San Francisco area, actually warmer. NJ has gorgeous summers... 90+ degrees every day. Jason was here last summer... he should know. The weather was wondeful last summer. That is how it usually is. This weather right now is VERY rare.

I think if Jason does the proper research, which I am guessing and hoping he will, he will discover that the Nets are his best bet to win a championship and to keep his family (who should be more important to him than winning a championship) happy and comfortable.

Posted by Frank on June 19, 2003 4:04 PM

By the way, I am not the same Frank that has caused such an uproar here before. I will put my last initial so that you don't confuse us. I am from New Jersey, not California.

Posted by Frank C. on June 19, 2003 4:07 PM

. . . is MTV ever going to air the diary of Jason Kidd again?

Posted by Rachel on June 19, 2003 7:26 PM

meg no matter how old you are or what you look like you have no right to disrespect joumana, or any body eles, behind their back. If she wants change her nose a thousand more times, she can and it's none of your business if you ain't paying for it. Oh, and there ain't no need to hate on her because she looks a zillion times better than you do.

Posted by mimi on June 19, 2003 9:39 PM

to Rachel: girl I've been thinking the same thing. I sure hope that they will because they are showing all these reruns of baby, missy, and all those other basketball players homes but they won't get around to showing jason crib. That crib was pretty tight, and they need to show his diary again. Holla

Posted by mimi on June 19, 2003 9:44 PM

LOL I would have to disagree about TJ growing into his head. I didn't even realize how big it was until he got a new haircut.

Posted by Anonymous on June 20, 2003 1:25 AM

he has a right to debate whats best for him and his faimly.

Posted by tasha on June 20, 2003 11:35 AM

what is jason favorite type of music??

Posted by patrick on June 20, 2003 11:39 AM

i just saw a picture of tj and have to take back what i said about tj.his head is still huge.as small as joumana is how in the the world did she give birth to him because she has a tiny waste and hardly no hips she had to have a c section in order to have him cause that boy is huge.

Posted by araya on June 20, 2003 11:45 AM

i hope jkidd relize that compared to other season the spurs actually played poorly this season.The only reason they won because the lakers had to many injurys to pick up the slack and dirk nowiskie went down with an injury at a crucial time of the playoffs.That is the only reason they made it to the finals.I am definite if kmart didn't get sick those past to games that we wouldn't be sitting here calling the spurs nba champions.They won off of pure luck and thats the god honest truth.

Posted by comet on June 20, 2003 11:52 AM

oh yeah did anyone hear about jason grumbling to some teamates that his 4 year old son could have done better couching in the fourth quater than byron scott!jason has been spoiled by these people and thats what he has to say?? when coach byron scott told the media that jkidd had 12 good reasons to stay in new jersey he was speaken about jasons teamates jason replyed by saying that he also thought he had 12 good reasons to play in dallas and look what happened.jason has been spoiled beyond comprehension that i am starting not to like him.he is spoiled and selfish because if he didn't notice he never made to the finals untill he came to new jersey... i guess he has forgotten because his is so swoll.Jason come back to planet earth the only reason your team didn't have a early exit this year is because of the hard work of kmart so don't get it twisted.

Posted by comet on June 20, 2003 12:03 PM

Araya, when TJ was born, his head was pretty much normal size so I don't think Joumana would have had a problem with a natural birth. If you look at pictures of when he was 2 or 3 months old, his head looks fine. His head just kept getting bigger though.

Posted by Jessica on June 20, 2003 12:55 PM

that was a tough lost he has a right to complaine a littel

Posted by Anonymous on June 20, 2003 1:52 PM

Okay for all you people who keep talking about little TJ's head. He was born with something (i can't remember the medical term) that caused his head to be big. I think it was water in the brain or something like that. But he had an operation so he should be okay and eventually his little body will catch up to his head. Either way I think is adorable. As cute as his dad is although he looks more like Joumana more than Jason does. His little girls are cute too.

Posted by Karina on June 20, 2003 3:18 PM

mo matter what t.j's head looks like i think he is adorable and has done nothing wrong for everybody to talk about his head like they do, as for the twins they are the cutest babies i've seen so far. y'all at yo girl

Posted by mimi on June 20, 2003 6:17 PM

okay well that explaines why his head is big well i hope it wasn't anything serious and he that he grows up to be a healthy ball player like his dad..

Posted by araya on June 20, 2003 6:18 PM

chill relax mimi people was just curious on why his head was so big nobody called him a freak at least i didn't..

Posted by busta on June 20, 2003 6:23 PM

araya I've never heard that TJ had a medical condition. I had a friend who dated a player in Phoenix when Jason was there and she knew Joumana from the town so she saw TJ when he was a baby and she was tripping off his head and nothing was ever said about a medical condition. Not saying it isn't true, I would just like to know what you know about his condition? I won't talk about his head because thats something he can't help.
Also Joumana is small now but she was a little bigger before when she lived in Oakland and she had hips so that could be why she could give birth because her body is equipped.:-) Either that or she had a c section which honestly I think she did.
Does anyone have a link to see a picture of the twins? If so could you post it?

Posted by mb on June 20, 2003 6:47 PM

Karina, please stop making up stories. That is not fair to the Kidd family. It has never been said that TJ had an operation, so to spread that around is just wrong. Whether or not TJ does have a medical condition has never been discussed publically so I doubt that you would have any information about this since you have mentioned that you are just a Kidd fan. Please do not spread rumors. It isn't right and it makes you look bad. Thanks.

Posted by Richard on June 20, 2003 8:10 PM

When you have an operation, a scar always remains. TJ's head is often shaved and there are no signs of a scar whatsoever so I doubt he had an operation. Please do not make things like that up.

Like I have mentioned before, TJ's head was normal size when he was around 2 or 3 months old. When Jason used to have an official website, there were plently pictures of a very young TJ. I think these pictures can still be found online somewhere so you could see his head size for yourself. His head was normal size at birth, so a natural birth would have been fine.

I also doubt that Joumana had a C-section. My mother had a C-section and it leaves a considerable scar that you really can't do anything about. If you look at the picture of Joumana in the 2000 issue of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Addition, you will see no marks on her stomach that indicate that she had a C-section.

Posted by Jessica on June 20, 2003 8:26 PM

Mb, even if Joumana did have liposuction like you claim, it wouldn't affect the size of her pelvis, which enables a woman to give birth. Her bone structure was not changed because of liposuction and that is the main thing when it comes to birth. Just to clear that up.

Posted by Anonymous on June 20, 2003 8:29 PM

I have a link that will show a picture of Jason, Joumana, T.J., and The twins standing by the house built in the backyard for T.J. The website is twistedfans.com scroll down until you see their picture at the right of your screen. I used the picture of them as wallpaper,or background for my computer. Your Welcome mb!

Posted by mimi on June 21, 2003 11:22 AM

someone told me that joumana might be hired as a replacement for monday night football anchor melissa stark.so if thats the case jason isn't going anywhere.

Posted by Q on June 21, 2003 11:42 AM

Q, Joumana was recently eliminated from the list of possible replacements for Melissa Stark. So she is out of the running for that job. They said she doesn't have enough experience, which is true.

Posted by Frank on June 21, 2003 1:02 PM

I never said liposuction affected her being able to give birth so what are you talking about? If you read I said that she was thick b4 so her body is equipped. :-)
Also you can airbrush any scars especially if it was SI, they can airbrush anything.
I think Joumana would be good for Monday night football. She would sure be better to look at. I think Jason might be a little apprehensive though being around all those players and you know they will be ON her! :-)

Posted by mb on June 21, 2003 1:25 PM

thanks mimi. Thats a cute picture. The little girls look like TJ. Its hard to tell really because its small.
Yeah thats true even though Joumana is good, she doesn't have enough experience. Then again sometimes they have some bimbos reporting, but I guess not for the NFL. Hopefully she will get more experience.

Posted by mb on June 21, 2003 2:57 PM

here is another site with a nice photo of the family.
http://groups.msn.com/AllAboutJasonKidd/pictures

Posted by mb on June 21, 2003 5:11 PM

Hey mb! thank you for the web site, that kind of helped me add to my collection of pictures that i'm saving

Posted by mimi on June 21, 2003 6:12 PM

mb: there is another web site that you might be interested in it is www.bballone.com scroll down the screen and to the left side of your screen there will be some teams. select the Nets and you should see Jason Kidd's name, click on it. then to the left of your screen click on Kidd Photo Gallery. there should be more pictures of him.

Posted by mimi on June 21, 2003 6:18 PM

Mb, that website's great. Thanks.

Posted by Richard on June 22, 2003 1:41 AM

so what is the latest news on the whole Jsaon moving to San Antonio situaion? ( Anyone )

Posted by mimi on June 22, 2003 8:51 PM

i heard that nfl are considering hiring joumana again because they don't have that many people to choose from.they even said that there looking at tv news anchors who may have some to no experience with brodcasting such a demanding job as monday night football so joumana is back on the market.

Posted by Q on June 23, 2003 10:22 AM

good deal, so then Jason might stay with the nets if she gets the job right?

Posted by mimi on June 23, 2003 12:56 PM

hey if you go to book
store theres a fit magazine(one of those health magazines]joumana is on the front cover and they have real cute pictures of her her twin girls and tj and they also have a small article on the family so ya'll jason joumana lovers might want to check it out.

Posted by pinky on June 23, 2003 5:24 PM

Thanks pinky!

Posted by Anonymous on June 23, 2003 8:53 PM

when did she do this article?

Posted by tasha on June 24, 2003 12:15 PM

when the nets where playing the pistons she was at home.i think they did the interview on mothers day.they didn't go into great detail but they did have a couple of pictures of joumana one with her and jason one with her and the twins and one with tj.I think one of twins girls has green eyes like jason but i couldn't tell because the pictures were in black and white but they are so cute one looks like jason and one looks like joumana and tj is about the same size as joumana i can tell you right now he going to be just as big and tall like his father.

Posted by pinky on June 24, 2003 12:22 PM

the magazine may be hard to find because i don't think it was one of those mainstream magazines i forgot the name of it but i found it at barns & noble so you may want to check there.

Posted by pinky on June 24, 2003 12:24 PM

what did the article say?

Posted by tasha on June 24, 2003 12:27 PM

nothing much just how much she loved her family how she tries to stay fit stuff like that.she said that she is working on a couple of tv pilots and she wants to to do a talk show or host a show.she says she loves live tv and that she loves to talk and comment on different issues.she said when jason first approached her she was in a serious relationship and that jason was persistant so tryed tohook him up with someone she knew.only when she broke up with her boyfriend did she decide to go on a date with jason and they got engaged 3months later.she also talking about how skinny she use to be before she had her children .She use to wear leggins or something like that under here clothes so it would appear that she had curves.she talk about what she does to keep fit how she trys to cook for the family on a regular basis and how she would be crying sometimes when she rocks her daughters when she in the nursary and how jason find it weird but she also says she gets like that also when she watches jason sleep because she can't believe how lucky she is to have her children and to be married to jason.it was a very touching article but i think they try to hard to look like a perfect family.nobody is perfect and i don't expect them to be so i wish they would stop trying so hard.I'am not about to judge them i think they are good people but i think they trying real hard to convine other people that.they shpuldn't care that much it's their lives live it how you choose to live it and don't worry about what people think.

Posted by pinky on June 24, 2003 12:43 PM

so for the misspelled words i was typing really fast!(:

Posted by pinky on June 24, 2003 12:47 PM

i mean sorry !!!(:

Posted by pinky on June 24, 2003 12:48 PM

is that all the article said??

Posted by tasha on June 24, 2003 12:50 PM

pretty much.they went into bits and pieces about her personal trainers.like her pilots trainer and her tennis trainer stuff like that.how she trys to watch what she eats.how she is a junk food junkie and loves french fries and potato chips.she says she is very content with how her body looks and that she is fighting her age.she said something about not ready to look old yet.that was basically it she didn't talk about jason a whole bunch the article was basically about her.

Posted by pinky on June 24, 2003 12:57 PM

pinky: thanks pinky i found what you were talking about but i didn't read it yet. ( Too busy)

Posted by mimi on June 24, 2003 1:27 PM

Has anyone seen that tatoo on jason's chest? what exactly is it? I keep getting blurry visions of it. If somebody could please tell me what it is I'd really appriciate it. Thanks a bunch!

Posted by mimi on June 24, 2003 1:32 PM

It's a panther, I think. Some type of animal like that.

Posted by Anonymous on June 24, 2003 1:54 PM

has anyone herd about the trade back to the mavericks. They say it's a rumor, but jason is suppose to be traded to the mavericks for Nash. I don't think Jason would go back to the mavericks. Halla at yo girl when someone hears the news.

Posted by mimi on June 25, 2003 11:22 AM

have y'all heard the rumors about Jason supposibly being traded to the mavericks for Nash. I don't think he'll go back to the mavericks because he wants to win a championship. But if y'all hear different let me know, don't leave me hanging. Holla

Posted by mimi on June 25, 2003 11:26 AM

i don't think jason is going to the Mavs or sacramento for that matter[i also heard he would be traded to the kings for mike bibby and hedo]but both the players and the team has to agree with it for that to happen and i doubt they want to split up the dirk,steve,and finely allstars seeing that the mavs have been playing excellent basketball which they haven't been doing untill they paired those three.and if jason was traded he wouldn't be recieving that lucrative pay check that he would be getting as a veteran he would have to settel being payed 5mill.instead of 15mill a yr.

Posted by pinky on June 25, 2003 11:52 AM

Okay first of all yes I am a big fan of Jason Kidd and second, I would never spread rumors. There was an article in the Star Ledger (for all of you who are not from NJ they are big) that said that little TJ had a condition that made his head big and that he was getting operated. Now if it's not true I didn't know. I was just telling you all what I read so forgive me if this article that was published back in November sometime was wrong. Hell for all you know it may have been a fabricated story kind of like the Daily New reporters who were writing fabricated stories and then got caught and fired. If I ever come across one of those articles again I will be sure to cut and paste it so you all can read it as well. Sorry if I started a false rumor it was not my intention at all.

Posted by Karina on June 25, 2003 1:28 PM

Karina, I live in New Jersey and have read the Star Ledger sports section EVERY day since Kidd got here. I have also saved most of the articles about Kidd and his family. There was never an article about TJ's head or it being operated on. EVER. The Star Ledger articles about the Nets since way back are archived in the Yahoo group NewJerseyNets, if you sign up on yahoo.com. There is no article about his head. I know you don't mean to spread rumors, but you kind of did. You made that up and you know it. But I'll forgive you because you seem like a nice girl who is a big fan of Jason. I bet your just as curious as the rest of us to see if TJ really does have a medical condition and I know it hurts when people make fun of the poor kid.

Posted by Jessica on June 25, 2003 2:06 PM

I don't think Joumana was trying to sound perfect in the article in the Total Fitness magazine. She admitted that she sometimes lacks discipline when it comes to exercise and that she is a junk food junkie. She mentioned that TJ gets sad when his dad is away. Comments like these do not make it sound like Joumana is trying to express how perfect she or her family are.

Isn't Joumana allowed to be proud of her family? What is wrong with her saying that she is so lucky to have such a wonderful family and would do anything for them? Everyone in this world should be willing to give up everything for their family and everyone in this world should feel lucky if they have a family that loves them. What do you want her to say? That she doesn't feel lucky and happy about her family because they aren't perfect? Do you want her to talk about the last argument she had with Jason or the last time she yelled at TJ so that people would know that they aren't perfect? Geez people, she knows she and her family aren't perfect but she isn't going to announce it in a interview. She is allowed to be proud of her family. Maybe some of you don't know what it feels like to have a family surrounding you that would do anything for you and that loves you to death. In case you didn't know, this isn't that abnormal of a thing. A lot of people have strong families like the Kidds seem to have. I myself feel very lucky to have such a great family and I would brag about them to anyone. But does that mean I think they are perfect? Nope.

Posted by Heather on June 25, 2003 5:07 PM

Joumana is officially NOT going to get the Monday Night Football job, so we can put that speculation to rest. I doubt that would be a factor in Jason deciding to stay or go anyway.

Posted by Richard on June 26, 2003 1:47 AM

Hey Karina I read something like what you were saying but it wasn't in the newspaper it was on the net. I am Brazilian and there is an article in portuguese that said TJ Kidd had something done to his head. I think it came from the newpaper Luzamericano. Do you know of that newspaper?

Posted by Jose P on June 26, 2003 9:15 AM

first of all Heather i meant in general about the kidds coming off as a perfect family not from that particular article.i was just saying ever since the spousal abuse incident they been trying extra hard to to convince that all is well and everthing is perfect and really i don't think they owe the public in explaination about what goes on in their household because it is no ones buiseness.every married couple has problems thats why i 'am proud at jason for taking the necessary steps to get help and heal his marriage.but i don't think jason has to constantly tell the world how he loves his family.i believe he has change for the better and he doesn't have to justify anything to anyone only his family.that was all that i was saying i have a right to say what i feel.

Posted by pinky on June 26, 2003 10:48 AM

and next time HEATHER maybe you shouldn't jump down peoples throats because they share an opinion.You might also have read that i thought the kidd's were good people.I wasn't saying they were fake or arrogant.i was just saying that they obviously love each other and their children and they don't have to costantly explain themselves to the public because i truly believe they are good people but they always seemed in my opinpion concerned about what other people think of them. they don't need to worry so much.As long as everthing is right at home it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

Posted by Pinky on June 26, 2003 11:03 AM

i have not found anything on the internet about tj having a head dissoder.maybe he just has a big head he will eventually grow into it.

Posted by araya on June 26, 2003 12:04 PM

Hi!!

Posted by baby on June 26, 2003 1:02 PM

Pinky, I wasn't jumping down your throat. I was expressing my opinion just like you expressed yours. If a certain magazine comes to the Kidd house and asks about their family, are they supposed to say nothing because you feel they shouldn't explain themselves to the public and they shouldn't always express how much they love their family? They are in the public eye... they are going to get asked quite often about their family situation by the media. It makes for a good story for magazines and newspapers. How would you like them to answer the questions? Negatively? Should they say that they are miserable and don't like each other? I think they are just trying to be honest. If their family situation is really as good as they say, well good for them. That is something that I can admire and hopefully they showed people that problems can be overcome and things can get better. It is not like they are the ones that set up press conferences and tell the magazines that they must come to their house. The media initiates everything and they are the ones that want to hear about Kidd's healed marriage.

Posted by Heather on June 26, 2003 1:03 PM

did anyone see the pictures of jason and joumana at jay-z's grand opening of his new night club 40/40.?

Posted by tasha on June 26, 2003 4:29 PM

If that is what people want to know about then i retract what i have sayed.I don't think it is anybody's right to bring up the issue about their marriage when they don't seem to do it to other highly profiled atheletes and their wives.Nor was i saying that the Kidds should just talk about the bad stuff that happened in their marriage i was just saying in general that they shouldn't be overly concerned what people think of them.If jason and joumana are happy with each other than more power to them.But in my opinion they seemed to want to justify eveything they do to the public and what i was saying is that they shouldn't be all that concerned.they are human and have normal issues like anyone else so it is not a crime to make mistakes.But ever since the spousal abuse they have been doing countless interviews about how great everthing is now.well im glad for them but it has been 2 years since the incident and people still are talking about that and the kidds are still trying to build their image as the happy go lucky family.well if thats how their life is now then i'am happy for them but personlly i like to know more about jason kidd the basketball player than jason kidd the husband because hearing the same old story over and over again gets tiring.they don't need to justify anything to anyone just live your lives thats all that i was saying.

Posted by pinky on June 26, 2003 4:47 PM

well actually joumana ask her pilates trainer to set up the interview..Just thought you should know.(:

Posted by smith on June 26, 2003 4:59 PM

someone told me joumana was expecting but i don't believe thats true.if anyone else heard that please let me know because i hate to believe false info.thanks.

Posted by anthony on June 26, 2003 5:45 PM

I think Jason has done a really good job of turning his life around. I think he is a really good father to TJ and his daughters. I think since his father died he has stepped up and been more active as well. I don't think he is trying to better his image since his incident with Joumana. Anyone else in his situation might not have made so much progress. Also everyone just assumes that Jason hasnít even tried to be in Jason Jr.ís life. For all we know he has tried everything possible to be in his life. Maybe he does see him sometimes. But if he doesnít I think mentioning his name in interviews might cause problems. Especially if Jason Jr.ís mother doesnít want Kidd in her childís life. Everyone needs to not assume the worst on Jason Kidd. I think he is a great guy. I love you Jason! You have set a good example that people really can change their lives around and make things good again.

Posted by Blick on June 26, 2003 11:14 PM

Smith, how do you know that? Why do I doubt that?

Anthony, who told you that?

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2003 12:07 AM

I doubt Joumana could convince someone to interview her and put her on the cover of the magazine. The magazine obviously wanted it or they would have said no.

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2003 12:09 AM

jason kidd reportedly said that he will be meeting with san antonio officials sometime next week.

Posted by tasha on June 27, 2003 12:04 PM

Hello Jose,
No it's not Luzamerican newpaper I am still trying to look for the article because I don't want people calling me a liar in here. If I come across it for sure I will print it. I drove by Jason Kidd's house and it doen't apprear to look like there is packing going on or is there a for sale sign out there and being that Tuesday is the big day who knows. Maybe he will stay in Jersey after all. I'm going to drive by K-Mart's house and see if there is any signs of moving tonight. I will keep you posted Jose.

Posted by KARINA on June 27, 2003 3:57 PM

Hey Karina. Do you happen to know the name of Kidd's street? I know he lives in Upper Saddle River and I live pretty close to that in Ridgewood, so I decided to take a drive through Upper Saddle River to see if I could spot Kidd's house. I know what it looks like because it has been on TV several times, but I just wasn't able to find it. Perhaps a street name would help my search just a bit. Thanks.

Posted by Jessica on June 28, 2003 1:01 AM

Candygirl, hear anything about Jason Kidd and Mateen Cleave's girlfriend lately? Any new info about that coming out? Do you believe it?

Posted by Jay on June 28, 2003 2:30 AM

If Kidd leaves NJ (God forbid), I doubt he will sell his New Jersey home anyway. He still has his house from Phoenix! So I would be very surprised if he sold his house in NJ. It is always good to have property in the NJ/NY metro area anyway.

Posted by Richard on June 28, 2003 2:34 AM

what that person told me about joumana kidd was lying but thanks anyway

Posted by anthony on June 28, 2003 12:17 PM

Ok thanks for clearing that up Anthony.

Posted by Anonymous on June 28, 2003 4:16 PM

jason kidd is the hottest guy in the universe!

Posted by beth on June 28, 2003 7:08 PM

im sorry but my feeling is that jason kidd is leaving new jersey.

Posted by jake on June 29, 2003 3:54 PM

looks like alot has been said since the last time i droped in. Hey Katrina if you would please tell us the name of the street that jason lives on so i could find it. I know what the house looks like but i don't know the street. thanks

Posted by mimi on June 29, 2003 4:10 PM

tasha: I did see on access hollywood that jason and joumana were walking into jay-z's club and jason was looking pretty GQ as always. I also agree with beth on her statement.

Posted by mimi on June 29, 2003 4:17 PM

why do you say that jake?

Posted by tasha on June 30, 2003 10:06 AM

I have a good feeling that Jason Will leave too, because something is telling me that he won't be staying. My cousin in Texas also said last that Jason will be traded to the rockets, but i'm hoping he'll stay with the nets. If someones hears something on that let me know. Thanks

Posted by mimi on June 30, 2003 1:17 PM

If he does leave new jersey(which i believe he will)jason is going to owe new jersey an explanation which i doubt they would want to hear.

Posted by jake on June 30, 2003 5:18 PM

and besides that i heard that jason isn't all that fond of byron scott..

Posted by jake on June 30, 2003 5:20 PM

Does anyone know when they are going to show the jason kidd diary or crib on MTV?????

Posted by Anonymous on June 30, 2003 9:41 PM

jason is officially a free agent today.Hopefully he will do the right thing and stay in jersey

Posted by tasha on July 1, 2003 10:32 AM

has anyone heard anything about jason yet cause i have no access to a tv, right now. I'm at work. holla if you got some info

Posted by mimi on July 1, 2003 12:51 PM

hopefully new jersey

Posted by baby on July 1, 2003 3:24 PM

yeha unfortunately i have an absolutely STRONG feeling thats jkidd is leaving jersey simply b/c in the interview after they lost to S.A for the championship a reporter asked jkidd if he was gonna stay in jersey and jkidd said"im will stay/go to a team that i can win a championship" quite honestly hes not gonna get that in jersey. there isnt one team in the east yet that can beat the west. theyve gotta go through the duo 9kobe and shaq) tim duncan kevin garnett amare stoudamire and YAO MING!!! comeon now its gonna be @ least 5 years untill the east is as strong as the west!!!! i hope yall dont start getting mad its the truth and i hope to god it isnt b/c i like jkidd as a baller and i feel that he should finish his career in jersey. but i know its not up to me. i actually thinka big factor for whether theyll stsy in jersey or not is joumana. from what i hear(which i know could be as much false as it is true) doenst like it in jersey. shes made implications on the fact that their jersey home is not necessarily permanent. i read her attidude towards the owner and franchise. i live out in L.A so im sot 100% sure but @ the same time we also gotta takethat in consideration. im not hating on anybody i wish the best for jersey fans jkidd fans and fans of the game b/c U never know what could happen next in the world of nba!!!
im outta here holla!!!

Posted by nba life on July 1, 2003 4:36 PM

Joumana loves NJ and doesn't want to leave at all. She says nothing but good things about the Nets and is in heaven with her television work. She does not want to move and it was recently said during the draft that Joumana was "hooked" on NJ and that "her heart is in NJ." Hopefully, that will help keep Kidd here. If he loves his family, he will stay here. You should always want what will make your spouse the happiest. Jason has to realize that the Nets are perfect for him and that it would be selfish to disrupt his family's happiness just because he thinks he may have a slightly better chance of winning with the Spurs (even though I personally don't really know if I agree with this). If he is the good man he seems to be, he will stay here. If he leaves, he will just be selfish and inconsiderate toward his wife and kids.

Posted by Anonymous on July 1, 2003 10:40 PM

I personally think that it is up to jason to make the decision and not so much joumana. when joumana married jason she obviously knew what she was getting herself into...she was going to be an NBA wife. i think she will do wahtever is best for jason.

Posted by Anonymous on July 1, 2003 11:01 PM

when joumana was in san antonio for the finals she was very clear about her feelings and said that there was advantage in new jersey and that she was a city girl and that tj himself said he liked new jersey better than san antonio.Joumana exact words were "I don't want to move".She knows the new york metro area is only way she can certify herself as a legitamite tv reporter and that san antonio would only be a set back.She also wants to be an actress and what i read already has shot tv pilots.she also said she doesn't want to uproot her family again and find schools for the children and find a home and try to restablish herself all over again.If jason leaves i would be very disappointed in him.That will just show how arrogant and selfish he is and that he doesn't care for his wifes needs.Joumana probably has made plenty of sacrifices including sacrifices to her own career for jason happiness and it is only fair that he returns the favor.Would it be really worth leaving a team that is very capable of winning a championship ,who has probably the best fowards in the nba{KMART AND RJ}and disrupting your family all over again just because you can win easly elsewhere?where is the fun in that to get and easy win.and jason also has to realize that he won't be the "man " in san antonio as he is in new jersey he will only be the scottie pippen to tim duncans michael jordan and also has to watch out for tony parker because he is proving to be a worthy contender.But lastly he has to realize that if he truly wants whats best for his family and his wife he needs to know that joumana's career will only suffer if they leave and i pretty sure a move wouldn't have been worth it if he has an unhappy wife to come home to.

Posted by tasha on July 2, 2003 12:28 PM

Okay here's what a reporter wrote about Jason leaving NJ. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index
If he is smart and we all know he is, he's going to come to his senses after meeting with the Texas state next week and turn everyone down and stay where his heart is "NEW JERSEY".

Posted by Karina on July 2, 2003 2:09 PM

Does anybody know when Jason Kidd's diary or Cribs will be shown on MTV? I really want to see it! Please help me out! Thanks

Posted by Blick on July 2, 2003 11:46 PM

Blick, I don't think that MTV will show those things in the near future. Your best bet would be to try to find somebody who has tapes of these shows and see if they are willing to make a copy and send them to you for a certain cost.

Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2003 12:36 AM

Tasha, that was a pretty good post. But I also don't buy that San Antonio is an "easier" place to win a championship. It really isn't, and if you ask me, it may be harder to win in San Antonio. Before this season, the Spurs haven't been able to get out of the 1st or 2nd round since 1999. The Lakers will be out for revenge and there are plently of other great Western teams that could easily eliminate San Antonio this coming year. The Spurs had enough trouble beating teams in the playoffs this year that were INJURED, imagine when those teams are healthy??

I also don't see those guys being as motivated to win a championship since they won this year. Most of the time, once you win a championship, you breath a sigh of relief and the intensity is no longer there. The motivation goes down hill, whereas the Nets are still as hungry as ever to win one. The Lakers are the exception, but they are a rare case.

I don't buy the assumption that Kidd+Duncan= guaranteed championship. The Spurs still will have no one to replace Robinson (who, in my opinion, was the X-factor in this year's Finals... Without him blocking shots and rebounding like he did, the Spurs would have lost to the Nets.) Also, Kidd must know that the Spurs only have 5 guys with contracts for next year!! This is a pathetic number!! Basically, that would mean that if Kidd signs with the Spurs, the rest of the guys that fill the roster will not be very good. They will most likely be the same old guys that the Spurs had this year that did very little, like Ferry and Willis. The Spurs will be a VERY small team if Kidd signs with them, with a not-very-good bench player, 6'7" Malik Rose most likely starting at power forward and Duncan unwillingly playing center! I don't see how this can work!! Having Malik Rose on the team would scare me enough! Nevermind having him start! Bowen is bad enough!! He makes Jefferson's offense look like Jordan!!

Also, I think this decision will come down to money for Kidd. As much as he denies that money will be a factor, it is ALWAYS about the money. Money is associated with ego, and I know Kidd has a big one. He will want to be in the place that can rack in the most dough. The New York area will give him the most endorsements and this will make up for the dumb income tax thing that everyone is talking about. Kidd will be a Net because this is where he will bring home the most cash. You can never have too much cash. Most athletes always say it's never about the money because it makes them look bad, but it is.

If it ain't broke, why fix it? The Nets have been two the Finals two years in a row. No other team in the NBA can boast about this. Kidd would be a fool to leave. It is not worth the risk to leave when the team he has now is more than capable of winning a championship. (They should have won this year, IMO, and they would have if Kenyon didn't happen to have the 2 worst games of his career during the Finals, but hey, that's what happens.)

Posted by Richard on July 3, 2003 12:57 AM

Richard, that was great. Your post should be forwarded directly to Jason Kidd, himself. I bet that would convince him to stay. It does look more and more foolish for Kidd to leave everyday.

Posted by Frank C. on July 3, 2003 1:11 AM

After the Spurs won the championship Duncan was geting interviewed and the guy asked him about jason kidd coming to the team next year and Ducan said that he is happy with the team he has now......do you guys even think Duncan wants jason kidd to be a Spur????????

Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2003 11:03 AM

I think Tim wants Jason to be a Spur, but he also wants a replacement for David Robinson, a big man like Jermaine O'Neal. He can't have both, and I think the Spurs will realize that they already have suitable guards and are in desperate need of a big man. After Tim Duncan, they only have Malik Rose at 6'7" signed. That is a VERY short team. They need another big man much more than they need Kidd.

Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2003 11:30 AM

NEW NEWS... It looks like Tony Parker is going to get traded to Indiana for Brad Miller. The Spurs will then have a center and will be able to sign Jason Kidd. Jermaine O'Neal seems to be out of the equation, who was really the only hope in keeping Kidd here in NJ. This sucks. I'm gonna be sick.

Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2003 11:38 AM

basically the spurs won the championship off of pure luck.

Posted by tasha on July 3, 2003 12:26 PM

hold up tasha thats NOT TRUE!!!! how many points did the spurs beat the 3 TIME NBA CHAMPIONS BY???........ oh yeah 28 points!!!! if that is luck??? the cavilears should have been in the NBA FINALS!!! please dont hate on S.A for doing thier thing. quite honestly we all knew who was gonna be champions the minute chris webber was out and the lakers lost. S.A is just as strong as any onther power team in the west. and PLEASE be honest when i ask U this....... which team in the east can beat a power team in the west?????? UM........ NONE!!!! and who said S.A was the only team Kidd could go to????? oh and another thing it is the NBA life. the wives know it and they have to live w/it. unfortunatley their opinions are looked at as second priority when compared to the game. where the husbands go the wife will go as well. thats the bitter sweet of being an NBA wife. u cant tell me that kidd is gonna win in nj. yes they might be the best in the east. but whenever they represent the east they are set back b/c a bigger more talented team is waiting for them in the west. im not hating on nj but im being realistic. this guy wants to win!! and im pretty sure hes gonna do whatever it takes to do so. maybe 4 him its staying in nj. but we will just have to wait and see. Oh and tasha if are reading this im not jumpin down ur throat or anything but S.A was the better team, they won the championship and i think U gotta give 'em props 4 doing so.
PEACE!!!!

Posted by n/a on July 3, 2003 12:53 PM

I read that Jason and Joumana are going to Texas this weekend and visit the spurs and mavericks, and to see what the teams are offering. The article also said that Jason was talking the Nuggets into consideration.
(That would be a stupid move.)

Posted by mimi on July 3, 2003 1:23 PM

MY BAD i ment to say next week on Tuesday and Wednesday

Posted by mimi on July 3, 2003 1:28 PM

I think Kidd is going to stay in new jersey so he can prove to everyone that the east can be just as good as the west...why would Kidd want to go to a team that has already won the championship? he wants to be the one to make his team win a championship. Therefore i really want him to stay in New Jersey.....well actually i want him to come to chicago bulls but that will never happen.

Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2003 2:53 PM

n/a, you are being crazy. The Spurs beat the Lakers because their starting power forward was injured, their backup power forward was injured, Shaq was fat, out-of-shape, and lazy, and the team overall was unmotivated. And the Lakers still managed to win 2 games! The Lakers were blown out by the Spurs in Game 6 because they had already given up. I think anyone with a brain can see that the Lakers were just a different team this year. They weren't the team that destroyed the Spurs early in the playoffs like they did in 2001 and 2002.

The Spurs did get lucky. They faced teams that were hurt and they STILL had trouble! The Spurs offense is horrendous. They constantly gave up big leads throughout the playoffs and had very long stretches where their offense was so bad that everyone on the team was too afraid to shoot the ball!! Tasha is right, the Spurs did get lucky. The Nets should have beat that team. The Nets had the better TEAM. The Spurs may have had the best player, but the Nets had the best team. They gave that series to the Spurs. If Kenyon Martin hadn't been so unlucky and hadn't played the two worst games of his CAREER, the Nets would have won the Finals in 4 or 5 games. The Spurs were very, very beatable, even for 1st round opponent Phoenix. Jason Kidd is smart and he knows this. THE SPURS WERE NOT THE BETTER TEAM, SORRY. Without Duncan setting screens for everybody and setting up easy baskets for everybody, the Spurs are NOTHING. Anyone knowledgable in the NBA knows this.

I don't care if Joumana is an NBA wife... If her husband truly loves her, he will want her to be happy. Even if Joumana doesn't tell him that she wants to stay, I am sure he knows. If he has a heart, he will care about how she feels. Hopefully, Jason cares about more than just himself, which I think he does. He is a good man and I am sure he will take his wife's happiness and his family's well-being into serious consideration when making his decision. He seems different than the typical NBA player who thinks the world revolves around him. He seems to be EXTREMELY supportive of his wife and has said how he is so proud of her for doing her own thing and being successful.

Posted by Richard on July 3, 2003 4:45 PM

This is an article i read and jason said "Joumana has done quite well with her career, No matter where we end up, she could make something out of her career." .....so he obviously is thinking about her and her happiness!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2003 5:30 PM

okay richard!!! if the spurs were horendous....... WHY DID THEY BEAT UR TEAM(nj?)!!!!!!!!!!! ima be real w/U i dont even care for the spurs!!! i am a sixer fan BUT what im saying is that even if the spurs didnt play the "best teams" or the "healthiest teams" which if U combine it, against the kings,lakers,spurs and mavericks(maybe even minesota) the nets HAVE a losing record. YES OR NO???? so basically it really doesnt matter which team nj faced in the finals they still would have eventually lost!!! call me crazy all U want but these are the facts. now the whole role of an nba wife that i described is typical. hopefully and probably joumana isn't looked @ like that. if nj is the best place for him...... by all means STAY THERE. nothing is EVER set in stone (especially in the nba. i would also add in the factor that jason is starting to get old. i mean new guys are coming in trying to establish things of thier own EVERYDAY!!! okay look @ gary payton. he was in seattle for like 4ever!!! and hes yet to be an nba champion. or look @ carl malone and stockton did they win a championship. wheres the one-two punch that jason needs. im not talking about one night k-mart, the next night kittles or jefferson and then on occasion harris. he needs a consistent player each and ever night for kidd to really do damage. look @ webber and bibby, kobe and shaq or even nj rivals walker and pierce???? thats what new jersey needs. jason is gonna take all into consideration. his family and is prospectives of winning. do i want him to stay in nj? of course i do. it'll be funner 4 me to watch him and A.I @ the all-star games!!. sorry now in getting a little side tracked. the best to jkidd and his family. and 4 all those free agents out there Phili nedds U!!!
Holla

Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2003 10:02 PM

What you do in the regular season has nothing to do with how you play in the playoffs. The Nets are a good example. They were really able to turn it up a notch in the playoffs, winning 10 in a row and playing out of their minds. But still, the Nets swept the Lakers, Minnesota, Portland, and split with San Antonio in the regular season and would have swept the Spurs too if Kidd wasn't limping all over the place with a bad achilles tendon. Like I already said, the Spurs got lucky to beat the Nets in the Finals. The Nets played worse than I have ever seen them in some of those games and still almost won. Kenyon Martin had the 2 worst games of his CAREER. They gave it to the Spurs. The Spurs were very beatable, like I said, and the Nets would have beaten them badly if they had just played as they normally do.

Maybe you're just jealous that the Nets swept the team that eliminated Philly from the playoffs. hehe :)

Kidd and Martin is much better than Walker and Pierce. The Nets killed them. Webber and Bibby? They weren't that good this season. If you watched any of the Nets games this year, you would have seen how consistent Martin has been, especially since January, carrying the Nets every night. He just happened to have his two worst games ever during the Finals. It happens, and remember, he was still trying to get over an illness. But, the thing that is so great about the Nets is that they are more than just Kidd and Martin... they are a complete team where everyone shares the ball. That is what I love about the Nets. They don't just rely on two guys to do all of the scoring.

Posted by Richard on July 3, 2003 11:14 PM

And maybe your just jealous that the Spurs beat the Nets in the finals!!!! Cause it sure sounds like it. Anyway you need to get your facts straight, the Spurs didn't win the championship by luck, that's straight bullshit. I'll break it down for you series by series to show you that it wasn't luck. And by the way I'm not a Spurs fan or a Nets fan but I followed the playoffs pretty well, and I call it like I see it I don't hate or care for either team.

In the San Antonio and Phoenix series the whole Suns roster was healthy. Nobody was injured on their team except Marbury in game 5. And he only played hurt in 2 games and it wasn't a MAJOR injury either, so it ain't like they lost the whole series cause he was hurt. And the Suns only won 2 games in that series by buzzer beaters. They won game 1 by a 3- pointer in OT, and they won game 4 by a buzzer beater in the last 5 seconds or seomething. The Spurs just out hustled them and shut them down, just like they did the Nets. You obviously didn't watch 1 game in that series if you think Phoenix had a chance to win it.

And in the series against the Lakers yea I know Rick Fox was injured and so was Devean George. But let's be real here, they ain't exactly NBA all-stars. That team revolves around Shaq and Kobe, even a lot of Laker fans admit that the rest of the team is garbage. And I know that cause I got a lot of friends who are Laker fans. I mean just look at how many of their role players are involved in trade rumors this year. The injury of Fox and George did'nt play a big role in the Lakers getting eliminated. But I'll admit that Shaq was way out of shape, and just plain lazy. And they didn't play as hard this year like they have in previous years. But you can't blame that on the Spurs, they (the Lakers) got coaches/assistant coaches/trainers that deal with that kinda shit.

Now in the Dallas and San Antonio series, Dirk Nowitzki did get injured in game 4, but by that time Dallas was down 3-1, so even if he was healthy I still don't think they would have came back from 3-1 and win it. The only reason Dallas won game 5 is cause San Antonio was too over-confident and they got a little lazy cause they were up 3-1. But in game 6 they finally took em out and advanced to the finals. And Tony parker had the stomach flue in game 6 and couldn't even play, but they still came out and won it.

Now in the Spurs and Nets series, I'm sure your gonna come up with all kinds of excuses but that series wasn't won by luck either. I know the Nets are your favorite team, so I'm not surprised that your mad at the Spurs for beating them. I would be pissed off too if my team made it to tha finals 2 years in a row and got shut down. But since I'm neither a Spurs fan or a Nets fan my opinion ain't biased. The only thing I agree with about your last post is that K Mart did have 2 horrible games. That ain't the main reason they lost so don't even try to use that as an excuse, but it was a factor so I'll give you that. And yes, the Spurs did have trouble holding onto big leads in their other series but they never had that problem against the Nets. It was actually the other way around cause I noticed that the Nets had trouble finishing the end of each quarter, allowing the Spurs to get back into it. And you said the Spurs are nothin without Duncan, that maybe somewhat true, but the same could be said about the Nets without Jason Kidd. That remains to be seen if he leaves the Nets, but I know that they didn't make the playoffs for many years and they were a weak ass team until he came down. Anyway I could go on and on but I think I broke it down enough and hopefully some of you cats will realize the Spurs didn't win the championship by pure luck.

Again I ain't a Spurs fan or a Nets fan, so I ain't defending either team.

Posted by Shawn on July 4, 2003 4:34 AM

Got damn I don't think I've ever typed that much on a message board before. Sorry for the long ass novel folks

Posted by Shawn on July 4, 2003 4:38 AM

So you think the Spurs without Duncan are a better team than the Nets without Kidd? YEAH RIGHT.

Oh, and I'm sure Kenyon's 3 for 23 shooting performance in Game 6 wasn't the main reason why they lost. (sarcasm)

Kenyon had carried the Nets for the 2nd half of the season, so of course when he goes 3-23, it's going to be a problem. I have NEVER seen Kenyon look that bad and I have been watching every Nets game since he got here. So yes, the Spurs got lucky that Kenyon decided to stink up the joint for 2 games.

You don't think it was lucky for the Spurs to run into a fat and lazy Shaq? He hasn't been in that bad of shape for over 3 years, so of course it's lucky. And I don't care who gets hurt... when your starter and number 1 guy off the bench get hurt, it's going to affect your team's performance. The Lakers had a very thin team out there.

Dallas not only lost Dirk, but they were without their starting center. They only had 8 players available! That's crazy!

And I did watch Game 1 of the Spurs/Phoenix series. If the Spurs where so great, they should have been beating Phoenix by enough so that the Suns wouldn't be able to win it with a buzzer-beater. A Number 1 seeded team should have no problem with the 8th seed. And Stephon IS that team. When he got hurt, it kind of took the wind out of their sails.

The game of basketball involves luck. There are a lot of good teams out there, but you still have to be lucky sometimes. I never said it was pure luck that the Spurs won the championship, but they obviously got some help from the other teams. They didn't exactly dominate anyone or come close to dominating anyone.

Posted by Richard on July 4, 2003 12:00 PM

why richard would i be jealous of nj??? they did they thing and I M GLAD THAT DETROIT LOST AND BADLY!!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 4, 2003 7:07 PM

thankyou shawn for that breakdown of the spurs series!!! with or without Dirk the mavericks would have eventually lost. the lakers could have done some damage if they really wanted to. and all in all the nets or the sixers or the pistons or whoever could not beat the lakers, the kings, mavericks, or spurs. not unless kobe leaves,tim gets injured, webber starts gets hurt or the triple threat in dallas is broken up!!! dont tell me that nj or the east is a threat to the west. the last team to win in the east was of course the bulls. which right now needs all the help they can get. after his airness left it was down hill for the east. and regained power 4 the west. this scenerio will keep that way for a good 3+ years.
oh........ shawn whos Ur team in the nba???

Posted by Anonymous on July 4, 2003 7:17 PM

Ok, I was just kinda joking about you being jealous of the Nets. I think I put a smily face after it to show that I was joking.

Posted by Richard on July 4, 2003 7:17 PM

obviously you don't relize that the spurs are not going anywhere next year now that david robinson is retired.Whether or not the spurs aquire kidd is a different story.But i'am definately sure the series between the nets and spurs would have gone to seven games if kmart hadn't gotten sick.And i truly believe they were more than capable of winning the series.

Posted by tasha on July 5, 2003 11:30 AM

the spurs really didnt use david robinson anyway.... so i still think that they can do damage!!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 5, 2003 9:43 PM

Did you watch the Finals? Without Robinson in there blocking shots and getting rebounds, the Spurs would have lost. His double doubles and his blocked shots saved the Spurs. He was VERY important to their victory. They need to find a quality big man to replace him. That is MUCH more important than obtaining Kidd. If Spurs management has a brain, they will forget Kidd and get a big man. (And some other players because right now, they only have 5 guys including Duncan. A very little team.)

Posted by Anonymous on July 6, 2003 1:16 PM

tony parker was not traded..

Posted by baby on July 6, 2003 3:15 PM

do any of you guys know when jason kidd is going to tell us his decision of what team he is going to be on??????????????????????????????????????

Posted by Anonymous on July 6, 2003 3:29 PM

Yeah, just a bad rumor about Tony getting traded. I didn't think it could work anyway.

Posted by Anonymous on July 6, 2003 11:07 PM

well ive been hearing ALOT of things in the past 24 hours. first of all did any of you guys hear about Kobe and his run in w/the law??? i was really suprised b/c kobe has always had a goody goody image. i guess he took some pointers from A.I. anyway people have said that gary payton is interested in the lakers. that doesnt sound like a good combo b/c IF gary lands in la la land there is gonna be tension. i really cant imagine watching 3 all-stars all on the same team. thats practically unheard of. and if U remember back in the day when kobe and shaq werent geting along. what can possibly happen when you have bad boy gary, attention seeker/lover kobe and power man shaq??? i dont think good things could come out of it!! oh....... and its also said that carl malone would sign on to wherever gary went!!! now to be realistic that probably would never happen(carl,shaq,kobe AND gary all on the same team). but i can be wrong to!!! anyway alonzo mouring has gotten healthy again and now hes searching for teams to go to....... which team do you think he could/would go to??? and now that im thinking about it almost all the playoff contention teams already have guards...... so i really dont think kidd could go to a team that needs him (thats a good team) so my best bet would be 4 him to stay in jersey. unless he wants to takea risk and start all over again.i really think that if he went to S.A or dallas or other big teams like that... it really would not behis team....... U know whati mean???? like in jersey hes the leader everone looks up to him and they trust him. i dont think he got that over night. and he looks to have a bond w/the players in jersey. i think it would be hard 4 him to start over AGAIN. all this moving around is not really good especially when hes getting older. i hope he stays in jersey. it fits him best. i think he found his niche in jersey. STAY IN JERSEY JKIDD!!!
(to bad the fans cant decide where the players should go!!)

Posted by baby blues on July 6, 2003 11:41 PM

I really want to know Jason's decision!!! When does he make up his mind?

Posted by Blick on July 7, 2003 12:37 AM

I'm a Sacramento Kings fan

And teams can start signing free agents on July 16. So we'll find out after the 16th if Jason stays or leaves.

In the meantime ya'll need to check out this article

http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1057207808310390.xml

Posted by Shawn on July 7, 2003 4:35 AM

OMG did u guys hear that tony parker doesn't want jason kidd to come to SA because then he'll be overshadowed! What a french loser! and by the way he has the ugliest fiancee on earth! Joumana is soo much hotter, and 2 all of u who say she's ugly your just pissed that your not as hot as her. get over it she's hot and you just wish you could do her! And by the way i was wondering why no one ever talks about the kidd's 2 daughters, miah and jazella?

Posted by Netsbaby on July 7, 2003 9:47 AM

did anyone hear about kobe bryant arrested for sexual assualt??

Posted by tasha on July 7, 2003 11:08 AM

what does tony parker fiancee look like, I thought she would be pretty since tony made the world's most 50 beautiful people.

Posted by shere on July 7, 2003 12:37 PM

what does tony parker fiancee look like, I thought she would be pretty since tony made the world's most 50 beautiful people.

Posted by shere on July 7, 2003 12:37 PM

i heard about kobe getting arrested. they said that he had pinned a girl in the corner in a hotel she was staying in.

Posted by mimi on July 7, 2003 1:22 PM

do y'all think he is guilty, and has anyone heard anything about jason yet and if he is staying?

Posted by mimi on July 7, 2003 1:24 PM

i was just in a kobe message board. people are really having a field day.i mena i kinda believe it b/c they said they had physical eidence and stuff liek that but @ thesame time females are out there who wanna get him. and the whole"im a one woman man" thing he displayed was all bogus. and i think we are seeing the true kobe. so much for the poster boy image of perfection. vanessa can leave him and get 50% of everything he has OR stay w/him and pretend she really loves him!!! (even though we all know she doesnt) whats she donig getting engaged while still in high school to a baller whos wanted by feamales(skanky or not) anyways shawn ima kings fan 2 but MY 1st team is the sixers.

Posted by baby blues on July 7, 2003 1:41 PM

Tony Parker's girlfriend is very ugly. I don't think Tony is that hot anyway and I can't figure out how he became one of People's Most Beatiful People. I woulda picked Jason :)

Posted by Jessica on July 7, 2003 6:00 PM

I have to admit that tony is pretty damn sexy, but his gf looks as good as gregg popovich! lol. and i think kobe bryant is definatley innocent. This incident is soo out of chracter for kobe and he is a better person then to do something as immoral as this.This whole has is a farse. But i must admit that Vanessa is probably the most trashy woman on earth! Joumana is soo much better then her!

Posted by Netsbaby on July 7, 2003 7:41 PM

Hi, just want to say that kobe is now wishing he got a prenup like his father told him to do because you know if it comes out that kobe cheated on vanessa home girl is going to milk him for what he is worth because you know the only reason she married him was for his money.

Posted by candygirl on July 8, 2003 10:23 AM

tony parker is fine but his girlfriend is not!!(:

Posted by canygirl on July 8, 2003 10:24 AM

No news yet on Jason, although it's only been 1 day since he got to Texas. I can't believe what they are saying about Kobe, but who knows. Sometimes when you are extremely sexy(like in Kobe's case) and you have money (like in Kobe's case) then you think you deserve everything or that you can buy anything. And maybe he met a girl who wouldn't give him the time of day so he decided to force her hoping she'll come around or that he can pay her for her silence. Shit happens! Now as for Tony Parker, UGHHHHHHHHHHH he's nasty. I have no idea how he got on People's 50 sexiest. Only thing I can think of is that there were several French judges picking the people. He got lucky and his wife isn't a total dog but she is very much a plain Jane. And since we are all use to seeing athlete's with knockout girlfriends then you can see why we would think she's ugly. I agree with Jessica and I would have picked Jason myself too. Jason Kidd is hot and he lets out a very positive vibe.

PS I am truely sorry but I was asked nicely not to give out Jason Kidd's address anymore. It seems the people I gave it to and swore to me they wouldn't tell or go make a big to do on his block did. Therefor, I am not telling anymore people so I'm sorry if you asked me for it and I did not reply. I will give you this one hint.. on his block there are 3 houses that look identical to his so if you think watching MTV's cribs will help you find it, it won't.

NET'S #1 FAN !!!!!!!!

Posted by Karina on July 8, 2003 11:04 AM

Okay for all of you who have to know what Tony's girlfriend looks like check out the following link. It's a picture of Tony and his girlfriend.


http://tonyparker.org/pics/offcourt/tony_girlfriend.html

Posted by Karina on July 8, 2003 11:24 AM

i hate to break to ya but from news reports that i have read jason seems to be leaning in the spurs favor because some news casters said that the trip to san antonio went better than expected.They even are trying to find joumana job wiith clear channel brodcasting which the team has a share hold or something like that.The thing that might prevent it from happening is if tony parker continues to blast jason about coming to san antonio because he doesn't want to take a back seat to him.[jason is not even on the team and there is already tension.not a good sighn if you ask me]i was banking on joumana not wanting to leave new jersey because of job opportunities but now i'am not so sure because she seemed[from news reports]like what san antonio had to offer.Jason also said that his golfing hobbie will also be big a impact on his decision because he wants to play golf where the climate is nice and warm.Someone also said that joumana and jason were upset with the nets president rod thorn because they haven't been wining a dining them like the other teams have.but thorn said jason knows we are offering him the max the decision is up to him.If you ask me jason needs to come off that high horse and be upfront with his teammates and fans and make his decision because nobody has time to kiss his butt all day.

Posted by joey on July 8, 2003 11:41 AM

Okay this is the latest news on Jasonís visit to San Antonio, of course Mr. Duncan tried to be the good host and drive the Kidds all around. I donít know how this whole thing will work out when you have Tony Parker, who isnít going to be traded , already saying he doesnít want to play with Kidd.
Plus the total package from the Spurs = 6years for 92.3 Million. That is less than what the Nets are offering Kidd.

http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1057638616294190.xml

Posted by Karina on July 8, 2003 4:34 PM

Karina obviously doesn't know where Kidd lives.

Posted by kim on July 8, 2003 7:52 PM

I hate when people lie and misguide people. It's frustrating.

Posted by Anonymous on July 8, 2003 7:54 PM

does anyone know what mike bibby's girlfriend, Darcy Watkins looks like?

Posted by rachel on July 8, 2003 9:48 PM

***** OKAY NEWS FLASH *****
Jason is back home, he arrived on Monday night. Yesterday he went up to a Rockland county Golf Course and became a member so what does that tell us????

Plus if you read up on what is going on with JKidd in Nj.com you will see that his best friend was interviewed and he said, "I think Jason is going to stay in NJ" Yoopeee!!!

Now, as for you people who don't believe I know where he lives, that's fine. If that is what it will take for to get you all from emailing me and begging me for the address then great!!! I don't know @#$%! Please do leave me alone now!

JASON KIDD + NEW JERSEY = PERFECTION!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Karina on July 9, 2003 11:01 AM

Mike bibby's gf is a total phsycho... she won't let him to 2 any other woman. but the reason why jason should stay in nj and wait for that one fine day when they win a championship is because then he will be the star. People will say jason kidd and the nets where as in SA they'll say Tim Duncan and teh spurs. Here in nj he's the leader and he shouldn't let his team down. Please Jason do this for us and the east coast and stay in nj

Posted by Netsbaby on July 9, 2003 12:39 PM

I'am not so sure about it either because san antonio offered her a job with fox sports net.anyway she sayed she was surprised how san antonio went out of their way to make sure she had every job oppurtunities and that they had more to offer than expected.Do you think joumana would be satisfied working with clear channel brodcasting or do ya'll think she might prefer her gig with nba tv and extra?I don't know but banking on joumana is proving not to be a safe bet.

Posted by tasha on July 9, 2003 1:04 PM

Well as I said a while ago when everyone was saying Joumanna wouldn't to well or find anything in san antonio (I haven't posted in a while), I told you. She is good in journalism and the camera likes her, people like to look at her (I'm sure netsbaby agrees), so she was bound to get a job. Even if she moved to bumbf@#% Idaho.
As for the Gary, Karl L.A. thing, at first I couldn't see Gary and Kobe together. Gary claims that the 3 of them are friends. Playing together is a different story. I don't know how him and Kobe would work, however, Gary want a ring bad and he is older now so his hot head has calmed down. I want Gary to have a ring probably as bad as he does. I went to high school and college with him, and we all know he deserves that sh@$!! Karl is another story, I can't see him on that squad at all! I think that is a disaster waiting to happen. Karl is a good power forward and he handles his business on the court, however I don't see him willing to ride the backseat to Kobe and Shaq as far as popularity is concerned. Karl has appeared to be very cocky and temperamental. I watched Karl's career since the beginning (showing my age :-)) and he has always been like that. I don't know, Gary I say yeah, Karl I say Nay. That is just my personal opinion so everybody don't jump all over me.
As for the run in with the law. We will see how that goes down. I personally think Kobe is still trying to prove a point with his image, and I also think he is still somewhat whupped. He wants to still prove people wrong about his personal decisions he makes, especially with his marraige decision. Hell, his father and him just reconciled over that. Kobe is very stubborn and determined, not to mention young. I'm not saying he wouldn't be capable of doing anything like what he's being charged with, I just don't think he's at that stage right now. Also I see his wife messing up before he does. She married him young, she didn't have a chance to be out there at all. She has a baby now too. She hasn't had a chance to live yet. Her life as it's just beginning has already been all about Kobe. Now that the hype is over about their contraversial marriage and relationship, reality has set in. Men are coming at her all the time, she's home alone a lot when he's playing, she's young and lonely. Women cheat too, and I see her getting tired real quick. Again that's just my opinion.
There are 2 sides to the story, I'm not saying that Kobe didn't do anything, but there are alot of people out there that see an oppurtunity. Then again, there are ALOT and I mean ALOT of high profile people out there (no just athletes) that think they can do and say anything and get away with it (and most of the time they do), so again I'm not saying Kobe is in the clear, I just have doubts so far. I would like to see the allegations (the media is trying to get them to unseal the documents).
What do you all think?

Posted by mb on July 9, 2003 1:59 PM

I looked at that picture of Tony Parkers girl, she's not a looker. Heck he was probably like, I don't need that distraction, let me just get a real PLAIN JANE and call it a day.

Posted by mb on July 9, 2003 2:12 PM

yeah right now san antonio is talking the big talk but when it is time to show and prove thats not going to happen.Tim Duncan is the only thing that san antonio has going for them.And now that gary payton has sighned with the lakers and possibly alonzo mourning as well, the spurs ain't going anywhere next year.They will be back to having second round eliminations like they have been doing.The spurs have 5 men on their team roster and one who is a free agent [speedy claxton]so they don't have much of a team.and besides the only reason they won this year was of pure luck.This year we had an overweight shaq an injured rick fox,dirk nowiskie,and cwebb.a coach who had to have agioplasty in middle of the playoffs.and kobe bryant who has had knee problems and shoulder problems all this season.so you can't tell me any different.I heard how san antonio whined and dined jason kidd and his wife .i heard how tim duncan shutteled them around town telling them what a great pair they would be.I also heard how san antonio gave jason's wife assurance of a great brodcasting career even if it meant leaving a big city like new jersey/new york americas media capital.and...So what they gave her some hope of a tv career what in the world is she going to talk about?? what??How the cows lie down on the pastures every time its about to rain??(: give me a break..Clear channel mostly deals with radio broadcasting and they have one television network which is channel one news.Clear channel is not something that will cater to joumanas needs infact all that would do is slow her progression.Okay then theres fox sports net....so there is fox sport net okay whatever but what can joumana possibly do besides read off cue cards.Joumana wants do more than broadcast she wants to act and sing you know the whole jlo thing something she won't be able to do in a one horse town.Jason wants nice warm wheather that will cater his golfing thing.Thats one positive spin you can put on san antonio and it does have nice wheather(sometimes)Texas period is tornado alley and you know that the kidds aren't the country type so playing golf in san antonio might have its advantages but it has its disadvantages.Play one year there jason and i guarantee you won't be hollering about how bad new jersey wheather is once you get a tast of that down south wheather:tornados,hurricanes,flash flooding is not something you want to deal with on a daily basis if you ask me.Future predication:jason chooses san antonio.He plays for a small market team with little endorsement opportunities and a ram sacked teamed plaqued with a bitter point guard (tony parker)with only one twin tower(TIM DUNCAN)and a non exisistent bench with no kind of help or backup.Then theres the unhappy wife who once bask in the lime light and was a popular tv reporter for the rich and famous is now back working on the radio reminding everyone what the wheather will be for today(partly sunny with a chance of afternoon thunderstorms)and how to stay clear from the nine car pile up on highway 9 (sarcasim):) then there is the other disgruntel point guard who is upset because the lakers have rob him a chance of a championship for a third time after being bulldozered on by shag and his old buddy from oakland(gary payton)only to have the lakers get pimp slapped by kevin garnett kenyon martin and richard jefferson who are the new NBA champions with byron scott as the coach of the year and kmart as the MVP...(: that is my story and i'am sticking to it!!!LOL (:

Posted by candygirl on July 9, 2003 2:34 PM

mike bibby's girlfriend is a tall, white woman with blond hair.

Posted by anonymous on July 9, 2003 6:05 PM

Joumana will be bored in San Antonio. She wants people to see her on TV. No one will know she exists if she lives in San Antonio. There is nothing good to report in San Antonio. Nothing happens there.


Interview... JOUMANA: Any Davy Crockett sitings?

SECURITY GUARD AT THE SBC CENTER: No.

JOUMANA: Thanks. Back to you in the studio.


Unless Joumana will like to talk about the Spurs all of the time, she is going to hate the television work that she will be offered down there.

Posted by Richard on July 9, 2003 7:20 PM

JASON WANTS BYRON SCOTT FIRED!!!! YAY!!! THIS IS THE GREATEST NEWS EVER!! THANK YOU, JASON!!!!!!!! NJ IS PROUD OF YOU FOR FINALLY SAYING THIS!!! NOW ROD JUST HAS TO FIRE HIM AND I WILL BE HAPPY... AND THEN KIDD HAS TO SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE AND I WILL BE REALLY HAPPY!

ROD OFFERED KIDD A MANAGERIAL POSITION AFTER HE RETIRES!!!!! GOOD MOVE, ROD!!!!! ROD'S TRYING TO GET MOURNING!!

AND JOUMANA WANTS TO STAY HERE!!!!

THIS IS GREAT!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 10, 2003 4:13 AM

In SA joumana won't get any publicity, but if they stay in jersey she'll be the famous(just the way she wants it). I can't believe rod thorn offered him a managerial position. Thats good news. hopefully jason looks at that and hopefully come monday we can all cheer about jasons decision on staying here!!!!!!!

Posted by Netsbaby on July 10, 2003 9:28 AM

Candygirl, you said a mouthfull and that was a beautiful posting! Well said and I agree with you 100%. Let's hope Jason reads this and comes to his senses and doesn't do anything stupid like go and move with the cows and Spurs.
As for the whole story of Kidd wanting Byron out you can read about it below.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/37617.htm

I like Byron, but he has made some decisions that make you wonder!! If it means Kidd will stay then I can only say... "Byron thank you for the last 3 years it's been real nice and good luck" See ya!

Posted by Karina on July 10, 2003 10:19 AM

I think jason kidd is going to the spurs cause i was reading some interviews and it sounds like they loved there visit to san antonio. Then this morning i was watching espn and they said they think jason is leaning more towards the spurs....but we will finally find out soon because jason said he would make his decision no later than monday!!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 10, 2003 10:51 AM

Byron scott had to do something right in order for the nets to get at the playoffs twice so having him fired is a big mistake.Byron scott coaching skills is only going to get better.He is still learning and maturing as a coach and if you ask me he has been nothing but wonderful for the nets franchise.And byron has been nothing but loyal to jason kidd and his wife especially after the whole bob ryan scandel.He defended joumana's character more than jason did and demanded that he be fired something jason didn't demand.He has been nothing but nice to jason's family and always bragging about how he is a great player and defending his character when everyone was out for blood.jason is starting to sound spoiled because i also heared he had trashed kmart because he didn't perform very well on the last to games against the spurs.so what kmart sucked, that was the worst two games he has ever played in his whole career and that speaks for itself and if i'am not mistaken jason wasn't doing anything the whole time.only when they played their last game in new jersey he seemed to play like he usually does but you didn't hear kmart complaining he simple said everyone has bad nights so to blame jason on our lost is not the way you go about it everyone has to play their part not just jason in order to win.so how is it that he always has an excuse for the games he plays poorly but other teamates don't they just suck.grow up jason...

Posted by brady on July 10, 2003 10:53 AM

well has the other players complained about byron scott's coaching skills??

Posted by tasha on July 10, 2003 11:03 AM

ďI love what I do and I could do it anywhere,Ē Joumana told Ticket 760 Sports. ďItís not like it has to be in a huge market. Of course thereís some advantages to being here [New York], but I just love what I do and I could do it on any scale and be happy.Ē

this is what Joumana said....so i dont think her job is a big factor for them staying in new jersey..also i read that when joumana was in SA they took her around to show her some tv jobs.

Posted by bet on July 10, 2003 11:07 AM

none that i know of

Posted by baby on July 10, 2003 11:53 AM

yeah joumana may have sayed that but you know in the back of her mind she is not so willing to give up the the glitz and glamour of madison or time square to working on radio broadcasting and sight reading cue cards.am i alone in saying that joumana is not going to be rude and dismiss san antonio's small market especially a team her husband has shown great interest for.Everybody says what people want to hear and not necessarily mean it.joumana would be crazy to leave her high prestige job for a 30 minute spot on a local television network.She wants the glamourus life not the wake up and smell the cow manuer.if i'am wrong in saying this than correct me but i know good and well that she doesn't want to leave new jersy..

Posted by candygirl on July 10, 2003 12:05 PM

Does anybody know of New Jersey getting any new players? I think if they get a good young kid and an even better veteran and keep Jason they will be all set in the finals next year. What they really need is a good shooter. Has anybody heard of anybody that's looking to join the NETS???? Also I don't see how Jason thinks going to San Antonio will get him closer to winning! He needs to start all over there with guys that just won a championship!! And he has to play with Tony Parker (I really don't like him so I hope I don't have to see him everytime i want to watch Jason Kidd play next season). So what if Duncan is in SA. Kidd and Duncan can't win on their own. The NETS are full of young talent and they are hungry for a Championship. Plus with the new practically un-stoppable Lakers line up I don't see how any other team can beat them in the West. So I think he should stick with NJ becuase that almost guarentees a trip back to the FINALS. It's his best bet to win next year. I know if he goes to SA and they don't make the finals or win, everyone will just think he made the biggest mistake by leaving NJ. Don't make that kind of move Jason! Please stay in Jersey!

Posted by Blick on July 10, 2003 2:42 PM

OKAY FOR ALL YOU DIE HARD NETS FAN YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY CHECK OUT WHAT IS BEING SAID IN THE NJ.COM BOARDS. I CANíT BELIEVE ALL THE SHIT THAT KIDD IS GETTING NOW. WE MAY BE RUNNING HIM OUT OF NJ WITH ALL THE NEGATIVE THINGS BEING SAID.

AND TO ANSWER A QUESTION FROM THE PREVIOUS POSTÖ I THINK WE MAY BE GETTING ALFONZO MOURNING.

READ ALL ABOUT ITÖ http://www.nj.com/forums/nets/index.ssf

Posted by karina on July 10, 2003 4:11 PM

I agree with candygirl as far as Joumana in the back of her mind is saying "F that I don't want to go to Texas". I had said earlier that she wouldn't have a problem getting a job wherever she goes and that's true, however, I think she prefers the glam of NY. I think if she gets a job in San Antonio that will be where she is stationed, I don't think it will be a local thing, she would have to travel I'm sure to do the work she wants. I don't think Jason would go for that, especially having to leave the kids sometimes. Otherwise she will just be having the type of interviews as stated above, with the security guard. hahahahahaha.
I also said b4 I don't think SA would be a good move for Jason. He needs to stay his behind in NJ. I think there is a better chemistry in NJ, I can't see him forming the same chemistry in SA. Maybe with Tim Duncan, but not with Tony Parker. I think Jason is right about Byron Scott, but I think his approach is not cool. It's time for Byron to move on.

Posted by mb on July 10, 2003 5:34 PM

Joumana said commuting to her job is not an option.

Posted by Anonymous on July 10, 2003 7:20 PM

mb did you go to Skyline high?

Posted by Shawn on July 10, 2003 8:02 PM

So many players are going to different teams in search of a championship. for example gary paton and karl malone. both guys were the leaders on their previous teams and were treated like god by their fans. now that they decided to go to L.A in search of a championship, they will be over shadowed by kobe and shaq. the likelyhood of those two winning a championship where they were was very unlikely but they were the leaders, they were the ones who carried the team. So heres my message to jason, you need to stay in nj because here people treat you and your family like god. you get to live a glamorous life but at the same time a normal life. Jason, you carry this team and the reason why kmart and rj play well is because of your guidance. Please Jason stay in NJ!!!!!!!

Posted by Netsbaby on July 11, 2003 9:07 AM

Okay so the latest is that Joumana called ESPN and told them that Jason never said anything about B Scott. So then Jason also tells news yesterday that it was all a fabricated story. So now Jason looks bad, Byron may not ever trust him or Thorn again. And Thorn is also confirming that there was no such conversation between Jason and him to get rid of Byron so now what? The Nets organization looks stupid and unprofessional. I think the person who started this stupid rumor was a KNICK fan or worse... A San Antonio Spur fan. This is why..... Now that Jason looks like a selfish player who wants everything his way or he's gone is forced to leave because he looks bad in the eyes of the coach and the team. Byron Scott won't stay because he's not sure who to trust anymore. The whole team is in an uproar and very much unispired. Now the Spurs get Jason because he no longer wants to stay where he's got people whispering behind his back. We have no coach and our players are all razzled and uncordinated. WE ARE SCREWED! This is what I have to say to the source that leaked out the news!!! THANKS ALOT ASSHOLE!
My message to Jason Kidd:
Don't listen to people who are trying to split up something great. Stay in NJ because we love you here and you are the team's leader and backbone. We will win the championship next year you wait and see! Stay Jason Please!!!!

Posted by karina on July 11, 2003 9:56 AM

By the way.... Jose, where on earth are you? Did you see how many security guards and police were out in front of J Kidd's house yesterday?

Hope you didn't get caught by one of them... Write me back.

Posted by karina on July 11, 2003 9:58 AM

i just read a news report that jason kidd has opted to stay in new jersey.If ya'll go to yahoo news alert and type in jason kidd you should find the story.But seeing how ticked jason is over the byron scott contraversy i don't know if i buy that story..

Posted by candygirl on July 11, 2003 10:48 AM

karl malone committed to the lakers everyone.This looks bad for everyone..

Posted by candygirl on July 11, 2003 11:07 AM

I really don't think it matters how many stars you have on a team Candygirl. What matters is how they play as a team. So if Karl Malone and Gary Payton are now officially Lakers great for them! But lets see how they play with Shaq and Kobe before we start worrying! Besides I think we have a pretty good team. We just got Alfonzo Mourning on, Jason just about resigned, and we have Planinic who was just cleared to come to NJ and with Kmart and Lucious being resigned hell we can do it! Don't worry so much Candygirl. Read the updated news.

http://msn.espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0711/1579328.html

Posted by Karina on July 11, 2003 12:02 PM

if jkidd didn't really say he wanted byron scott fired why on earth would he and the nets franchise wait 8 hours after the news report stated the fact?and why on earth would they not quikly relay this to byron scott so there wouldn't be any backstabbing?i don't know but something tells me jason did say this and is realizing he has gotten himself in hot water and he is afraid he is going to look like a villian or the spoil brat that ran coach byron scott out of town.something doesn't seem right and if you ask me whether jason leaves or stays he is not going to look the same in many peoples minds..

Posted by tasha on July 11, 2003 12:16 PM

thanks karina

Posted by candygirl on July 11, 2003 12:17 PM

No Problem... Us Net fans have to stick together now in this time of turmoil. We will be okay and we will do great once we are all joined together. I think we should all remember (this goes for Jason) the wise words of one of our great leaders :
"UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL"

N E T S NETS NETS NETS!!!!!!!!

Posted by Karina on July 11, 2003 12:26 PM

YAY!!!!!!!!!! the sleepless nights are over and its true... JASON KIDD IS HERE TO STAY!!!!!!!! i am just so happy, and whoever did the convincing... thank you. Can i smell a return to the nba finals next year?

Posted by Netsbaby on July 11, 2003 4:25 PM

Has anybody heard anything about where Reggie Miller might be going>? Wuoldn't it be awesome if he came to NJ. The NETS would be so awesome if we got Reggie.

Posted by Blick on July 11, 2003 5:49 PM

I am so happy jason is staying with the Nets....and i think we should all forget about the bryon scott issue becasue hell ya jason kidd is gonna be a NET!!!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 12, 2003 10:29 AM

i guess also tropical storm claudette is was also a bad omen for the kidds(:

Posted by tasha on July 12, 2003 2:03 PM

do you know if mateen cleaves married his girlfriend yet or did they break up?

Posted by will on July 12, 2003 10:23 PM

I wish you people would stop talking about jason kidd and start talking about other players like mateen cleaves or other NBA PLAYERS THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 12, 2003 10:34 PM

What the hell is with Mateen Cleaves?! He doesn't even get off the bench. I doubt Kidd even know who the hell Cleaves is. Did he really have an affair with Mateen's girlfriend? He doesn't seem like the type of person.

Posted by Anonymous on July 13, 2003 12:26 AM

lets not get back on that subject again because there is no proof of that ever happening..

Posted by tasha on July 13, 2003 3:11 PM

HEy now i think we should keep this a jason kidd chat place only!!

Posted by Anonymous on July 13, 2003 4:23 PM

I agree......has anyone seen Jason Kidd give interviews on TV lately???? all i have seen are people just talking about him

Posted by Anonymous on July 13, 2003 4:25 PM

why is there a big deal about mateen cleaves??

Posted by zoe on July 13, 2003 4:34 PM

Jason Kidd supposedly had an affair with Mateen Cleaves's girlfriend in Chicago on April 11. This is according to some guy that used to post here, Bob. His story sounded pretty believable, but I don't think Jason would ever do that to his wife and family. Another person here, candygirl, also mentioned this, but I think she was just copying Bob's story. If Kidd did do this, he did a great job keeping it secret because only Bob seems to know about it. I wish I knew the truth about this. It's been bothering me.

Posted by kim on July 13, 2003 10:14 PM

I THINK JASON KIDD WOULD DO THAT TO HIS WIFE BECAUSE HE FOUND IN A BAR. AND I HAVE PROOF THAT SHE WAS WITH OTHER NBA PLAYERS BEFORE HIM SO YA'LL DO THE MATH. HOLLA PEACE.

Posted by Anonymous on July 13, 2003 10:29 PM

Jason Kidd did not cheat on Joumana with Cleeve's girlfriend so lets stop dwelling on that old rumor. I agree with some of you and this should be a "JASON KIDD ONLY" message board.
Jason rules.

Posted by Karina on July 13, 2003 10:34 PM

Haven said that I think all you Jason Kidd and Nets bashers should get out and stay out. I'm sure there is somewhere else you can go write negative things about people in.

Posted by Karina on July 13, 2003 10:42 PM

BoB and baby girl are not the only one who knows about this affair. my roommate kiki was there for spring break around Easter and came back home and was telling me about kidd and mateen's girl. but I did not know who mateen cleaves was. so it did not matter to me, I was like so. But then i found out who he was now it all makes sense to me know i feel sorry for jason's wife, she seems like such a nice person. now my roommate kiki is thinking out selling her story to a local reporter but i don't think she should because i don't want jason to get a divorce.

Posted by Pete H on July 13, 2003 10:47 PM

NO ONE IS BASHING HERE. WE ARE JUST TALKING. STOP BEING SO TOUCHY. IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT STAY OUT OF THIS CHAT ROOM. EVERY ONE NEEDS TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, NOW YOU KNOW. WORDS BY A FAMOUS FAMOUS STREET POET "BIGGIE SMALLS" CAN YOU DIG IT?

Posted by Anonymous on July 13, 2003 10:55 PM

who is biggie smalls?

Posted by d.j. on July 13, 2003 11:07 PM

WHO IS BOB???? AND HOW DID BOB KNOW ABOUT THIS. IS HE AN INFORMENT?? I WANT PROOF OF THIS AFFAIR AND WHY DIDN'T MATEEN SAY ANY THING TO J.KIDD IF THAT WAS MY GIRL I WOULD HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AFFAIR BECAUSE YOU SHOULD ALWAYS KNOW WHEN YOUR GIRL IS LYING IF YOU ARE CLOSE. POOR MATEEN CLEAVES. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHO BOB IS?

Posted by Anonymous on July 13, 2003 11:13 PM

even if your friend kiki sells her story about jason supposely having an affair with mateen cleaves girlfriend what makes you think joumana would file for divorce. i think she loves jason kidd and her rich lifestyle to ever get a divorce. she wouldn't get a divorce from jason when he beat her and she won't get a divorce from jason if he cheated on her.

Posted by Anonymous on July 14, 2003 12:01 AM

even if your friend kiki sells her story about jason supposely having an affair with mateen cleaves girlfriend what makes you think joumana would file for divorce. i think she loves jason kidd and her rich lifestyle to ever get a divorce. she wouldn't get a divorce from jason when he beat her and she won't get a divorce from jason if he cheated on her.

Posted by anonoymous on July 14, 2003 12:02 AM

Why would Jason cheat on his wife? you all should just forget about it becasue you are never going to find out if he really did or not! and i agree with karina that all you jason kidd bashers should stay out of here. I live in chicago and on april 11 the nets were playing in chicago and joumana was at that game....so i dont think he would cheat on her or even find the time to cheat on her!

Posted by Anonymous on July 14, 2003 12:55 AM

I think Jason Kidd is soo fricken hottttttt!
I also agree with Karina that if you want to speak negative about him go somewhere else.

Posted by beth on July 14, 2003 1:01 AM

First of all, Joumana WAS NOT at the Chicago game. And Pete H, if your friend knows that Kidd had an affair, you should tell her to inform the newspaper. It is pointless to keep something of this magnitude a secret. It will end the speculation. And perhaps the media will be able to dig up more dirt about this once your friend tells them.

However, what I want to know is, if more than just Bob know about this affair and if people in the general public have seen it, how come the media hasn't already gotten their hands on this story? Hmmmm. That is why I don't believe there is any truth to this story. It seems like someone is lying.

Posted by kim on July 14, 2003 2:50 AM

PETE H. YOU ARE A LIAR! IF YOU ARE REALLY A BOY, WHY WOULD YOUR ROOMMATE IN COLLEGE BE A GIRL NAMED KIKI?? BUSTED!!!!

YOU ARE CANDYGIRL IN DISGUISE!! AND NEITHER ONE OF YOU KNOW ABOUT KIDD'S AFFAIR... YOU ALL COPIED FROM BOB!

Posted by Anonymous on July 14, 2003 2:56 AM

Here is what Bob had to say about Jason Kidd's affair.


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look dude i could give two shits about jason kidd, his wife, or anyone else, and i have no reason to lie...if you think athletes dont cheat on their wives, you live in la-la land. my wife was flying to an interview in chicago, the girl sat next to her on the plane. they started talking about various things, including cleaves, whio i covered for a flint radio station, and webber who i went to high school with in detroit. my wife asked why she was going to chicago, and she finally sheepishly admitted to what was going on. they rode th train together to the hotel she stayed at on thursday and then split up and my wife did her business from there. that friday the nets played the bulls. during the day my wife met her at the chicago 4 seasons to go shopping. thats when she met him as the girl walked out with him as the team left the hotel. my wife didnt know the girl until that flight and she opened up to her more once my wife told her i was a friend of chris' from high school. i have no reason to lie, and do not care about either one of the nets or celtics. i have worked in sports media for 5 years now, and beleive me this sort of thing is commonplace, and in all sports. take it for a grain of salt if you will, i gain nothing or could give a shit less if you beleive me....it was just out there so people know who their role models really are....one of many who do the same shit, its the real world.

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i am not trying to gain anything on this, nor do i care to inform anyone in jason's inner circle. you may take the information and do what you like. it was told that other players were aware of this, and beleive me the code of honor amongst teammates is so that they do not tell each others business. i am not trying to destroy anyones family or career, and if you think im call ing kidd a bad role model, im not. it is up to everyone to make their own decisions. i just put it out there as i found it to be a pretty good story myself and as an fyi, for you to do what you wish. i have always beleived that it is not the role of others to judge, or to inform another person on business that is not our own. maybe i should not have said anything about it, but i just thought it was interesting how athletes are held in such high regard when they are no different from you and me. trust me their are many stories amongst sports that media know about, and since i do not work in jersey i have no fear of retribution for submitting the story. and it is not my business to tell people that their wife, husband, girlfriend is messing around.
as far as teams go, i am from detroit so i root for the pistons, however now i do more work with football and hockey. i am also regretting bringing this up, as i fear i have stirred too many peoples emotions on the subject.

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again, people i am not putting this out there as a bash, or senseless meandering because i am a fan of another team. personally i think the guy is the best point guard in the league, and have admired how he has developed his jump shot while in the league. as a 'fan' i have no problem with jason kidd, and respect and appreciate his game. i do not know him personally, and again will not judge him. i have no reason to lie, and will discuss this no further, its funny how it has taken a life of its own.

as far as my wife goes, people do get friendly on plane rides, as i have met numerous people that i remain in touch with from my travels. the girl must have felt comfortable with my wife when she realized that i was on a personal level with some players she knew, and in the media.

remember people, the whole thing with mike price started out as a message board posting.....i do not want jason to suffer the same public embarassment, and so it will end here. sorry to have started such controversy>>>


And bob has not been back to this board since, unless he is just posting under different names...definitely a possibility

Posted by kim on July 14, 2003 3:02 AM

Oops, sorry the first statement made by Bob got cut off... Here it is...

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Posted by kim on July 14, 2003 3:05 AM

For some reason, Bob's first statement will not show up. I think it is because the moderator of this board had it removed. Sorry that it will not show up.

Posted by kim on July 14, 2003 3:08 AM

The first statement just said that Jason flew Mateen's girlfriend into Chicago on April 11. They spent the night together and Kidd gave her $2000 to go shopping the next day.


Anyway, I think Mateen Cleaves is ugly. So how pretty could his girl be? Jason should feel blessed to have such a beautiful wife in Joumana. He would be hard pressed to find a better woman to sleep with. Kidd must be VERY immature if he can't control himself and can't go a couple days without sex when he is on the road. Again, I think Kidd is more mature than this now. He likes to take naps on road trips and watch tv and movies. I don't think he would be bothered flying in other women, sneaking around with them, etc. I think he is beyond that. When he was in his early 20s and without a wife, I could see how cheating would go on. But after Jason almost lost Joumana already? There's no way. He wouldn't do that to her or his kids. And if Bob's wife and whoever else saw Kidd and this girl in public, I am sure others did as well and this would have become known to the media by now.

Posted by kim on July 14, 2003 3:20 AM

has byron scott jkidd talk things over yet??

Posted by tasha on July 14, 2003 10:26 AM

jason kidd is the man!

Posted by b-rock on July 14, 2003 10:26 AM

has byron scott jkidd talk things over yet??

Posted by tasha on July 14, 2003 10:26 AM

has charges been filed on kobe yet?

Posted by tasha on July 14, 2003 10:57 AM

excuse me but don't put my name into something that i have not posted anything about on this message board.I have also heard this and told no one because i to had doubts about that story.only my friend who is a sacramento cheerleader ask me if i heard about jkidd and mateen's girl did i start to wonder.my friend hasn't told me anything new and i'am staring to believe that it was an on the streets rumor.second who is bob?? i don't know who in the world ya'll talking about or do i know what he previously posted so to say that i copied someones post is just how closed minded you people are..and third if people want to post a opinion good or bad they have the right to do so because since when did this become a website about praising jason kidd.I appreciate it if you check your sources before you jump down someones throat and assume that i'am a liar.I haven't said one negative thing about jkidd in a while nor have i ever posted anything about his alledged affair.I told one person what i new through a email so guessing this is the same peron who is saying that i copied off some elses post.all i have to say is that you are really cold hearted and never again will i devulge what i know to anyone.I told you that if it was found not to be true you would have been the first to know..Well you can forget that now because you just showed your true colors.

Posted by candygirl on July 14, 2003 11:20 AM

well thanks KIM i guess i shouldn't have open my mouth to you since you think that i would sink so low as to copy off some elses post!!Thanks KIM thanks alot!!Don't put my name into something that i haven't even publicly spoken about.and since when did this chatroom or whatever this is become a praise jason kidd only chat board??if people have something to say good or bad they have a right to express there opinion.i haven't been bashing jkidd since i have started posting here again i think people should check themselves before they jump down peoples throats..and KIM if you may recall i told you if i found out what my friend told me was false you would be the first to know.. well you can forget it now because i don't do buiseness with backstabbers!!

Posted by candygirl on July 14, 2003 11:29 AM

I'am sorry that i repeated myself but that was really hurtful for ya'll to assume that i would just post anything false about someone.i haven't said what my friend told me on this website and for good reasons.

Posted by candygirl on July 14, 2003 11:36 AM

has charges been filed on kobe yet?

Posted by tasha on July 14, 2003 12:05 PM

Kim that was pretty low to post what bob said on this website.They took it off for good reason and you are just trying to start mess.If you don't belive it why would you post false info?? and if you don't want to creat any problems why would you tell that ki ki girl to sell her story to the paper.You aren't a true jkidd fan your your just messy

Posted by b-rock on July 14, 2003 12:07 PM

tahsa: i don't think byron and jk made up yet because i heard that jk said, "MY SON COULD HAVE COACHED US BETTER THAT BYRON." I don't know if that was really said but that's what they said on ESPN2. holla i've got to get back to work.

Posted by mimi on July 14, 2003 1:38 PM

to answer some body's question on IS THE NETS GETTING A NEW PLAYER? yes they are his name is (zor-in) (plan-in-inch) that is the best i can do i don't know how to say it. he was the 20 second draft, 6"6', 195lbs, and from kuwait

Posted by mimi on July 14, 2003 2:02 PM

has anyone heard about jerry stackhouse getting arrested??

Posted by tasha on July 14, 2003 5:04 PM

Candygirl, first of all, you must be mistaking me for someone else. I have never emailed you nor have you ever told me privately that I would be the first to know if you found out something about Kidd's alleged affair. I do not know what you are talking about and I am very confused. I have been lurking on this board for months, never posting anything, so I was shocked to hear you mention that we have exchanged emails. And I didn't mean to offend you at all in my post from yesterday. I thought you knew the same thing about bob just from reading some of your comments, like when you said something like Jason still has things to work on. I thought you were referring to what bob had said. I am sorry if I upset you, but I just wanted to tell you that I have never emailed you and that you have never emailed me. I would hate for you to be putting the blame on someone that did email you when I am the one that has seemingly upset you. I don't want to cause problems between you and someone else. Once again, I am sorry and I just don't want you to confuse me with any other people. Perhaps there is someone else here who is named Kim? I can change my user name if it causes a confusion. Also, I will not associate your name with this story about Kidd's affair anymore and I am sorry that I thought that you may have gotten some of your information from Bob's posts. Now that you have cleared up the story and mentioned that you got it from a Sacramento cheerleader, I no longer feel the way I did.

Feel free to email me at Gold1sk8gym@aol.com if you have any further problems.

Also, I am sorry if anyone is upset by my posting of the comments that bob made. I thought it would help for some of the newer people here that may be confused about what is going on. I also hoped that maybe someone else would have additional info after reading bob's comments that would make this story a little more believable. Sorry if I seemed to have snapped at people, I'm just frustrated about not knowing what and who to believe and I think some other people here are as well.

Posted by kim on July 14, 2003 6:05 PM

The player that the Nets got is Zoran Planinic, and he's not from Kuwait he's from Croatia

Posted by Shawn on July 14, 2003 6:48 PM

i never said i was in college i graduated all ready so what is your point. men and women can't be roommates we are only friend nothing is going on between kiki and I. so there. and i am not candy who is that? and have no reason to try to be someone else and i wish i had never said anything because i put kiki's name out there now. i wished she had never told me because i don't care if they screw around or not. it is not going to effect my life in any way so who cares.

Posted by pete h on July 14, 2003 8:42 PM

this is pete and i am not candy nor do i know candy i sorry that is got started and sorry for puting kiki's name out there like that. i never said i went to college. and women and men can room together with out any thing going on we are jsut friends and nothing more. i hope she just keep this info to herself. pete

Posted by pete h on July 14, 2003 9:55 PM

IS KOBE O.K. I HOPE HE STAYS OUT OF JAIL. HE IS SUCH A GOOD BALL PLAYER. AND HE IS SO FINE I WISH HE WAS MY MAN. I WOULD NEVER LEAVE HIM NO MATTER WHAT HE DID TO ME HAVING ALL THAT MONEY HELPS TO.

Posted by PEACHES on July 14, 2003 10:00 PM

Pete H, you said Kiki was your roommate twice and now you are taking that back? Are you trying to mess with us? Don't lie, that's all I'm saying. Ask Kiki if she knows anything else about this. Oh, and you said your roommate was in Chicago for Spring Break. Who has Spring Break but isn't in college? But you claim you're not in college. What do you think, we're dumb? Why was Kiki at the Four Seasons hotel during Spring Break? People from college go to Chicago and stay at a hotel for Spring Break? I don't think she would have known about it unless she was at the hotel. Weird. You first said you don't want the Kidds to get a divorce but now you say you don't care? Be honest Pete H. Tell us what you and Kiki really know about this affair.

Posted by Anonymous on July 14, 2003 10:08 PM

I think pete is full of crap....he just wants to make jason sound like a bad person! and im sure "kiki" knows nothing about jason kidd

Posted by Anonymous on July 15, 2003 12:12 AM

the women who accused kobe of sexual assualt admitted that she suffered from emotional problems in the past..

Posted by tasha on July 15, 2003 10:09 AM

well if this isn't the same kim that emailed me a while back then i apoligize for lashing out.this is the first time i ever read bob's post and so there is no possible way that i would have known anything that he had previously said.Whatever the story may be i would not go blabbing it to news papers or magazines because this story as of now is just a rumor and i would hate false info be told about somebody especially like someone of jason kidd stature.My friend told me some things but i decided that because this story is pure speculation that it is not wise to post something that could be harmful in the long run.And i will not play a part in spreading rumors that may or may not be true.so that sayed unless we hear it from a reliable source this alledged affair should not be made public and hope ya'll will keep it to ya'll selves because something of this caliber would only hurt jkidd's family and i know if all of ya'll are jkidd fans to the heart you wouldn't want to do that..

Posted by candygirl on July 15, 2003 10:28 AM

do anyone know when or if they going to press charges on kobe bryant

Posted by b-rock on July 15, 2003 12:31 PM

hey i didn't go to work today so does anyone have the scoop on something? i'll check back later.

Posted by mimi on July 15, 2003 12:49 PM

Zoran Planinic is from Croatia and he was 22nd draft pick by the Nets. I believe he starts practice this week. I am working on getting a picture of Mateen Cleaves girlfriend for you all but those rumors about her and Jason are not true. You can take that to the bank!

Karina..
NET'S FAN FOR LIFE
JASON KIDD'S #1 FAN!

Posted by Karina on July 15, 2003 2:05 PM

Oh and one last thing...
Pete H are you sure you aren't the same cat who started the rumor that Jason wanted Byron Scott out?
Cause you sure do harbor alot of hate inside. It's that or you are jelous. Which is it?

Karina..
NET'S FAN FOR LIFE
JASON KIDD'S #1 FAN!

Posted by Karina on July 15, 2003 2:17 PM

i know nothing about byron scott. all i know is what i said. you'll just have to read the rest of the information in the newspaper. and that is all i have to say about that. sorry jason kidd fans.

Posted by pete h on July 15, 2003 6:16 PM

The paper's never gonna know about this affair thing because no one ever tells them about it!! No one outside of this board knows!! If we really want to know the truth, we should email various newspapers in the NJ/NY area and ask them to investigate. That is their job, to investigate rumors. THEY will find out the truth and it will end all of the crazy speculation that is going on here. So email those newspapers guys!! We will know the truth soon!

Posted by Anonymous on July 15, 2003 7:44 PM

the alleged victim friends said that kobe raped her.

Posted by tasha on July 16, 2003 10:36 AM

Mr. Anonymous why are you trying to start trouble. Let's leave it at what it is... a rumor. I hope no one in here gets the bright idea of actually starting this rumor around everywhere so that other people start to poke their noses into the Kidd's affairs. Let it go, so what if he cheated. That is between his wife and Jkidd let them be. Don't try to be the great doctor and analyze anything for them.
Tasha, I really don't think it was rape. I think it was more like she seized the moment to get her 5 minuets of fame and some money out the a great opportunity such as Kobe wanting to actually have sex with her. From what I have read she was very disturbed and has many emotional problems. I guess a couple of million will help ease her pain.

Posted by Karina on July 16, 2003 11:30 AM

what are you talking about e-mailing the newspaper! are you a backstabbing jason kidd fan or something? you obviously want to cause problems in jason's life if you want people to email newspapers to tell them to investigate! why dont you all just forget about it because if it did happen it happened a while ago

Posted by Anonymous on July 16, 2003 11:41 AM

It's not backstabbing. It's knowing the truth. Joumana Kidd deserves to know what her husband is doing behind the scenes. It is not fair for her not to know anything about this. If there are people out there that know about this, they should speak up, for Joumana's sake. I think she rather know the truth than be left in the dark. More than one person has heard this affair story so there has to be some merit to it. It's time to face reality. The only backstabber here is Kidd. If he doesn't want to be publically embarrassed and if he doesn't want his marriage ruined, it is his job not to cheat on his wife. This is Jason's fault. And you people don't want to know if it's true or not? The newspapers would definitely look into it. That is their job. I know you people don't want to ruin Kidd's marriage, but you know what, the only person that can ruin the Kidd marriage is Kidd.

Posted by Anonymous on July 16, 2003 11:53 AM

nets officially signed alonzo mourning

Posted by b-rock on July 16, 2003 3:31 PM

But if it wasn't true and you told the papers you would only cause unecssary chaos and kidd's name would be tarnished.Joumana does have the right to know if he is cheating but thats their buisness not ours.That is the reason why i'am not saying anything on this website because i'am not so sure how truthful that story is.what i heard was a little bit different from bob's story but with the same context.but to say that it wasn't made up i don't know but all i know is that this not time to be hasty and report a story that doesn't have any merit..

Posted by candygirl on July 16, 2003 3:42 PM

So you're saying that Bob and your friend from Sacramento may both be liars? I doubt that they would both be able to come up with the same context unless there is some truth to this, or unless your friend reads this website. There just has to be some truth to it, which is why I am even thinking about emailing the Nets. They have an email address on their wesbite, I believe. You can only hide the truth for so long. Kidd got himself into this mess and I am sure he will get out of it, just like Michael Jordan did. I am not saying that this story has to be on tomorrow's front page, but many journalists in the NJ/NY area talk with Kidd on a daily basis. They could simply ask Kidd about this and try to find out the scoop. If Kidd vehemently denies it, then fine, the newspapers have no story. But since there is more than 1 person that has heard the same info, it seems more and more believable and I think Kidd will crack once he knows that the public knows. Maybe it would be better to just email the Nets. They could keep the matter more private. I think that's a good idea.

Posted by Anonymous on July 16, 2003 6:57 PM

I think all your idea's suck and you guys should just forget about it! think about it for a second..why are you guys trying to find bad shit about jason kidd? this shoudlnt be a chat where we find out all the bad stuff about kidd....im sure if anything happened it would of already been in the news....bob can totally be making up his story, i bet you bob doesnt even fricken exist.. if one person says one thing then it just gets around...i think it is so low of you if you actually email the nets or the newspapers ...i think its disgusting that you people can even think once about doing that....and besides why would the newspaper even believe you guys? do you knwo him personally? NO so stay out of his life and stop saying that its the right thing for joumana to know about it, because none of you even know yourself if the story is true...i just think its so gay if any of you even think about sending something like this to the nets or the newspaper!

Posted by truejasonkiddfan on July 17, 2003 1:06 AM

Bobís rumor

Okay folks itís official! The whole story with Jason Kidd and Mateen Cleaves girlfriend is a hoax. The story is a rumor and has been officially denied by both parties involved. For you suckers who wanted to smear Jasonís name all over and call the stupid newspapers and the Netís official donít waste your time. I have researched this carefully and I have contacted varies different sources that I will not disclose (we are not allowed to say names but I have all the reports if anyone cares to see them)and we have all come to the conclusion that this story is in fact a rumor. As for Joumana needing to know according to you anonymous people, well you need not worry about her sheís happy and she already knows about this stupid rumor. Reason why the newspaper never went forward with the investigation or publication of this cheesy story is because there was no evidence and guess what folks ďJason and Joumana were together the day this suppose cheating took place. This has been confirmed by the hotel ď Chicagoís fours SeasonsĒ that both Jason Kidd and Joumana checked into the hotel together and checked out together. So for all you people who feel the need to keep on saying lies to humiliate and put other people down ďlet he who is free of sin cast the first stoneĒ! Oh and another thingÖ.. If you are so damn sure about your story why not post your name and your email being that you have nothing to hide instead of always signing off anonymous. If you notice, I have always stated my name and my email is there if anyone cares to email me. It has always been there since I started posting here back in January. Iím not hiding nor do I have anything to hide and Iím challenging you Mr. Bob the sports media man to come forward and submit proof. Just in case any of you have any doubt about who I am I will be more than happy to let you know who I am if you email meÖ. This shit has to stop!

Karina..
NET'S FAN FOR LIFE
JASON KIDD'S #1 FAN!

Posted by Karina on July 17, 2003 9:26 AM

I'am not saying my friend is a liar but she does tend to exaggerate the truth that is why i question her story.She told me a friend of mateeen's girl told her this but when i just recently ask her about this story she contradicted herself and i'am starting to believe that she never knew anything to begin with.She is the one who actually told me about this website and now i think she must of gotten this story from bob's post before it was taken down and kind of stretched the story to make it more believable.She is mad at me right now for what i don't know but all i know is that story was fraud so emailing that story isn't going to do anything but make you look stupid.

Posted by candygirl on July 17, 2003 11:06 AM

did anyone see kobe and his wife at the espy awards??Kobe wife is starting look alot better than she has been previously looking.I guess fame and fortune can upgrade a persons looks a great deal..

Posted by tasha on July 17, 2003 1:52 PM

How old are you karina?

Posted by Anonymous on July 17, 2003 1:53 PM

you guyz need to stop worrying about other people's lives, if jason and joumana wanted you all to know about their personal buisness they would of told you. it aint any of yallz buisness soo stay out of it!!!

Posted by Vanessa on July 17, 2003 1:55 PM

I didnt see jason kidd at the espy awards...does anyone know if he was there?

Posted by beth on July 17, 2003 1:56 PM

Jason wasn't at the Espys. He's in Lake Tahoe for a golf tournament. Richard Jefferson was there, however. I was surprised that Kobe would be there, especially with his wife. Apparently, she isn't too mad at him for whatever he did.

Posted by Richard on July 17, 2003 2:17 PM

I am 31 years old. I'm not a kid so don't think I'm just some little stupid girl sticking up for Jason. And no Jason wasn't at the ESPY's. And yes Kobe's wife does look better. And it's only because she is trying to be who she really is "Latin" not bleaching her hair and trying to be white. We should all learn to love ourselves as god made us.

Posted by Karina on July 17, 2003 2:48 PM

wow karina i never new you were 31 i thought you were like 15 or something....have you ever met jason kidd or seen him around his house? he is so hott..and out of my friends im the only 15 year old that thinks he is hot

Posted by Anonymous on July 17, 2003 3:08 PM

Yes I have seen him before. And I definitely think he is hot. I tell my husband that if it weren't for the fact that I was already married to him I would run away with Jason. He's a sweetheart and great to look at. His deep green eyes absolutely mesmorize any one. I have male freinds who have said that his eyes are really nice. I like Jason because he's a good athlete and a great person. He is very family oriented and loves his kids and wife. I kinda wish he was the cheating type just so that I can jump on him.... Oh my did I say that out loud.

Karina..
NET'S FAN FOR LIFE
JASON KIDD'S #1 FAN!

Posted by Karina on July 17, 2003 4:09 PM

thats so awesome that you have seen him before....have you seen joumana? if so is she way shorter than jason?

Posted by beth on July 17, 2003 4:48 PM

Karina, Kobe's wife Vanessa is half white. I'm not sure if her hair is naturally blonde though.

Her mom is Mexican and her father is White.

Posted by Shawn on July 17, 2003 5:03 PM

Yes she's very small compared to Jason and she is very much beautiful in person as she is in pictures. (Darn!)

Posted by Karina on July 17, 2003 5:04 PM

Shawn I know she's mixed... Her hair is dark brown however. You can tell by looking at her mega roots

Posted by Karina on July 17, 2003 5:06 PM

Karina, could you please explain your research of the Jason Kidd affair situation a little more? Thanks. If you could provide a little more information, it may convince me that emaiing the Nets or metropolitan newspapers is unnecessary.

Posted by Anonymous on July 17, 2003 5:07 PM

I think you should just give up on the jason kidd affair..forget about it becasue im sick of hearing about it...lets talk about some new stuff that doesnt bash jason kidd

Posted by beth on July 18, 2003 12:02 AM

hey karina how close do you live by jason kidd?....thanks for answering all the questions i have!

Posted by beth on July 18, 2003 12:05 AM


Okay I normally don't do this but I'm going to because I'm so sick of hearing about this stupid rumor. Not to mention that I hate people who have the audacity to start rumors and make threats but then don't have the balls to sign their name they put "Anonymous" or don't put their name in at all. Come on give me a break if you are going to make threats about calling the newspaper then "$%$^ing do it already and show your true colors you arrogant hypocrite. You are really beginning to irk me. Being that you didnít listen to what I said when I asked if anyone wanted to know more details to email me. I got one email that I was happy to reply to. I am a fan also so of course like you, I am curious. But that doesnít give me the write to say lies or spread rumors about someone else. Hell if you want to start saying lies and telling stories do it about yourself. Anyhow, hereís my response to this curious fan:
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Hi,
First off, I don't know your name, mine is definitely Karina. I work for a Spanish television station in NY. I have met both Jason and Joumana since she is also in the industry. Not to mention I live 5 minuets away from them. You are 95% correct when you say that Joumana doesn't go on trips. She usually does not because she rather stay with the kids however, this particular week she had some business in Atlanta and being that Jason was going to actually be in Atlanta on Wednesday she went with him for the whole one week trip. They left on Saturday morning to Toronto they practiced all afternoon and played the Raptors on Sunday, then left Monday for Atlanta. Joumana did what she needed to do in Atlanta for Tuesday and Wednesday, went to that game that night against the Hawks and they left Thursday Morning. Flew into Chicago on Thursday and they practiced (they meaning Nets and JKidd) all day Thursday and played the Bulls on Friday. She was at the game. There are pictures of her and interviews that were done while she was there being that the playoffs started in less than 2 weeks. They flew back to NJ on Saturday morning and he played the Raptors at home on Sunday. I called the Chicago 4 seasons and spoke to (********** *****) the clerk on duty on Thursday when they checked in and he told me that they were very much together. They seemed like newly weds and if you know what Joumana looks like then there is no way you can confuse her for Mateen's girlfriend. Plus I have friends who work in King's head office and they have never heard anything or any kind of rumors of this caliber. I rest my case.
Have a nice day.
Karina
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Now I can get into some serious trouble for giving out details because I obtained them through work and I had sworn I wouldnít tell. So please for my sake, if I was nice enough to tell you all and risk losing my job of 6 years. Which I might add, it took me 4 years of college (journalism) to get then do me a favor and put this false rumor to bed.

PS. Did you see the interview last night of Jason Kidd being questioned about the whole Byron Scott mess? Wasnít he so cute with his little hat on? This is his first appearance since the big mess started.

Karina..
NET'S FAN FOR LIFE
JASON KIDD'S #1 FAN!

Posted by Karina on July 18, 2003 9:12 AM

And to answer your question Beth, I live in Ramsey which is very close to where Jason lives. I can drive by his house from my house in about 7 or 10 minuets.

Posted by Karina on July 18, 2003 9:17 AM

I saw the interview with jason kidd and he did look very cute. I hope they show him alot during the golf tournament. Nice job explaining everything karina..now i just hope all you suckers out there will stop trying to find out more info and put it to rest.

Posted by beth on July 18, 2003 11:55 AM

Karina, thank you for your story, but I am still a little confused. So you are Spanish? What Spanish channel do you work for? Is it Univision by any chance? Do you get to interviews the Kidds ever? You claim that there are "pictures and interviews" of Joumana from the time she was in Chicago. Do you have any of these pictures and interviews that you could share with me, because as far as I know, they don't exist. If you could show otherwise, that would be great. Also, when Joumana does go on roadtrips, the YES Network always tries to show her on TV and mention that she is traveling with Jason. You mean to tell me that Joumana went to a Toronto game, an Atlanta game, and a Chicago game, and didn't get shown on TV once? Wow. That is not typical of the YES Network by any means.

So you are saying that you called the Four Seasons on THE DAY that they checked in??!? This is where I am confused. I thought you called RECENTLY to investigate this rumor. Why would you call the hotel THE DAY they checked in? And I know Joumana must look nothing like Mateen's girlfriend. But do you seriously believe that the hotel clerk in Chicago has ANY idea as to what Jason Kidd's wife looks like? He probably didn't have a clue if it was Mateen's girlfriend or Joumana. And if you did call recently, do you think the hotel people would even know who Kidd was with all the way back in April? And what details does your television network want to keep secret? I don't think you revealed anything bad to us.

I don't think asking the Nets or area newspapers to look into a rumor would be lying to them. I never created this rumor. Someone else did. I am not threatening to do it. It is just something that I was looking into doing. If I am paying thousands of dollars for season tickets to watch the Nets, I deserve to know what kind of citizens I am paying to see and what kind of morals and values these people have. I think any NBA team believes that they owe it to their fans, the people that are necessary to even fund professional basketball, to inform them of what kind of people our rolemodels are. There is nothing wrong with that. I am a huge Jason Kidd fan. It hurts me that I am being called a hypocrite. I have been nothing but supportive of Kidd for years. It would just be very disappointing to discover that I have been mislead by someone that I considered to be a good person and an incredible role model. That is why I am taking this rumor, which seemed very realistic when first reported here, seriously. I just want to know the truth. Karina, if you are telling the truth, I appreciate it very much. You seem like a good person yourself. As to why I do not post my name here, I am not a person of any importance, so my name would mean nothing to you. I am simply a fan, I don't work for any television networks or anything. Ok thanks.

Posted by Anonymous on July 18, 2003 1:22 PM

Hi Karina. I emailed you and I never got a response back. My email is dttjm@aol.com. My name is Kim, by the way. I am a different Kim than the Kim that has posted here recently. I haven't posted in a while, but I just wanted to say that I never got an email back. Thanks.

Posted by Kim on July 18, 2003 1:27 PM

Hi Kim,

The email I posted before was the answer to your email. I don't know what happened to it but I did send it to you. I answered everything you asked me and it was my pleasure doing it too. Okay for all your other questions "anonymous" I didn't call the day they checked in or out. I did this all this week. I can't tell you what channel I work for but to my luck we have 4 Spanish channels in NY area. If I told you here on the board then everyone would know who I am and I can get into serious problems being that I used my sources to achieve the interview with the clerks of April 8, 9 and 10th. Do you honestly think no one knows what Joumana Kidd or Jason Kidd looks like? Put it this way, it is impossible to know what Kobe's wife, (until recent) Mateen's girlfriend looks like, what Mike Bibby's wife looks like, and a lot of other famous players wives or girlfriends look like because the players keep them out of the limelight. Not Joumana, she has been on the cover of ESPN magazine with Kidd and Sports illustrated with Kidd so believe me a lot of people know her. Plus I provided pictures and documents to make it seem like I was actually covering a story that I really wasn't. I know it was kind of dishonest of me but I needed, like you needed to know the truth. Now as to if Joumana went to all the games the answer is no. She had business in Atlanta; she only went to the Hawks and Bulls game. She sat very close to the commentators so there is no reason why they didnít show her unless she didnít want to be seen which is not likely for Joumana. There are pictures because what she was doing is covering a story in Atlanta that week and she had to take pictures. Now I know they exist because I was offered copies but havenít received them yet. I canít go into any further details without actually getting caught. Like I said before, if you want more information you have to email me direct. I canít reveal anymore than what I have. I have interviewed Jason before and like I said heís a great guy. That is why it is awful that anyone who is a fan has the need to slander his name or even consider starting a big to do if they truly do respect him as a player. Now if anyone has any further doubts I hope this helped you all. Give the man a break will you.

Karina

NETS FAN FOR LIVE!
JASON KIDíS # 1 FAN

Posted by Karina on July 18, 2003 2:39 PM

shawn yes I did go to Skyline.

Posted by mb on July 18, 2003 5:41 PM

Do you have any pictures of Mateen's girlfriend? And would you be able to send me the pictures and documents when you get them? I will gladly email you if you say yes.

Posted by Anonymous on July 18, 2003 5:42 PM

As for Karina and anonymous. We will never really know the truth. Mateens girl might deny anything due to the fact she doesn't want to lose her man. There is no future with Jason. Karina I don't want you to get offended, but get a clue, NBA players cheat all the time and they have beautiful wives so I wouldn't put it past Jason just because Joumana is pretty and a good wife. Joumana had her baggage and rumors flying around the town about her too. The thing is it could be possible. I find it disturbing that you would call a hotel to find out someones whereabouts to prove someone wrong on a chat forum. If you work for a station why wouldn't you investigate for a bigger cause? I'm not saying Jason did it, however I'm not putting it past him either. We treat people in entertainment as if they can do no wrong when we are a fan (not myself), but the thing is their human. The f up.
You would also be suprised Karina who might not know what Joumana looks like. If your not into sports, you wouldn't. Just like d.j. doesn't know who biggie smalls is???? That sounds crazy to me, but he might not listen to hip hop because if he did he would know who he is.
I understand your frustration because you are a Kidd fan, the thing is, you have no idea what goes on in his private life. You can't control what people say or what they might know. Some of you are getting so upset when anything negative is said, get real. People have the right to state their opinion, good or bad. Who said this started out as a Jason Kidd fan forum? As I recall this started out talking about U2.
All I'm trying to say is lets respect eachothers opinion. If someone says something about what they know they have the right, whether you thinks its a fact or not. I have been fussed at about what I know by a fan and I don't care because I'm not the only one who can validate what I heard or know 1st hand. We shouldn't have to explain ourselves constantly, either you believe it or you don't, and move on HECK. I don't think anyone here is trying to sabotage a marraige, I doubt this forum is being released publicy or has the ability to do that type of damage so stop crying about how someone is trying to hurt the Kidds. Hell I bet Joumana knows about these rumors and some before we do. This is a part of their life, so your not (as much as you want to think you are) protecting them by trying to get the "real story", when in reality unless you are the partys involved, you never will.

Posted by mb on July 18, 2003 5:59 PM

What kind of rumors are there about Joumana flying around town?

Posted by Anonymous on July 18, 2003 6:33 PM

Hey i have an idea... how about we all move on and start talking about new stuff..anyone for that?

Posted by Anonymous on July 18, 2003 6:39 PM

Mb, that was a great post. I also think that you, Karina, would be very suprised to know how many people do not know who Joumana Kidd is. Heck, I know plently of people that do not know of JASON Kidd, nevermind Joumana. To assume that hotel clerks in Chicago know who Jason's Kidd's wife is a little crazy.

I also agree that you people shouldn't jump on other people for bringing up something negative that may be going on in Jason Kidd's life. It is rumored that he had an affair. We are allowed to discuss a rumor. If Kidd did do it, he knows that he won't be able to hide from it for long. And if he didn't do it, I am sure he understands that rumors come with being an NBA superstar that is omnipresent in the spotlight.

Karina, I also sense that you may be frustrated to hear that your favorite basketball player may have done something wrong. It happens. I would like to know the truth about this as well and I hope Jason did not do this, but I'm not just going to sit here and pretend this rumor never existed just because I think he is a good person. It's a rumor and we are allowed to discuss until we have absolute proof about what happened. (which we may never have)

Posted by Richard on July 18, 2003 6:43 PM

But if Karina can prove that Joumana was indeed on the road trip with Jason in Chicago on April 10, that pretty much kills this rumor. That would be great if she could provide us with proof, even if it has to be done by email privately.

Does anyone have the Chicago game on tape? Maybe you could go take a look and see if you can find Joumana sitting in the first couple of rows?

Posted by Anonymous on July 18, 2003 6:46 PM

Even if Joumanna was at the game she could hv arrived in town after Jason.
Alot of rumors fly around the town about Joumana. Actually I should say used to. Shes been an NBA wife so I haven't heard anything lately. Before she was married to Jason, it was going down, and I'm not the only one in Oakland who heard about her getting around.
So what about that Kobe Bryant??? Guess what everybody? We now know he's human!! This is a prime example of what I was talking about. The squeaky clean Kobe admitted to adultry Bill Clinton style (meaning he didnt make it public he committed adultry until he found out they had evidence and were going to charge him). Now the question is, did he take it or was it consensual?

Posted by mb on July 18, 2003 7:06 PM

Mb, do you have any idea as to who Joumana dated before Jason Kidd? She has dated other famous athletes/celebrities, correct?

Posted by Jessica on July 18, 2003 7:48 PM

Yes I do have pictures and if you email me I will send them to you... Moving on............ Now, I can't believe this whole mess Kobe has gotten himself into. I was originally thinking that he may have forced himself being that he is high profile and he's use to getting his way.. But then I gave him the benifit of the doubt just for the sake of argument when I heard the girl was disturbed to begin with. But now that they have revealed that there is evidence (strong I may add) that proof that he physically injured this girl it's hard to ignore. Plus he has now openly admitted to doing something with her which is bad. And how on earth are you going to be that dumb and have unprotected sex with a stranger. I accept that he cheats because we are all human and unless you are a saint if it's put in your face you are going to react. Some may be a little stronger willed than others but you can't put someone down for having cravings. Hell, I as a woman, can see where temptation can lead you to stray the wrong way. Anyhow, if you are that famous why on earth would you have unpotected sex? First of all, there is aids. Then there is a chance the woman becomes pregnant and then you are screwed for the rest of you life paying child support. Or even worse, what if she was trying to set you up to get money off of you. This is what I think is happened here. I have one question..... Where was his body guards? Why didn't they stop him from ruining his life? Surely they knew what was happening and if they have been in this business long enough then they should know better than to allow something this stupid to happen. Come on can't you see what was to come? I feel bad for his wife and his little daughter. And for this girl, who is accusing Kobe sakes, I hope she is ready for the media. They are going to ripe her a new @ss$^&*( if she is not telling the truth. And you can bet that everyone she has ever slept with is going to come out of hiding. Her whole life story is going to be broadcasted in all news media. I can't assure you all that since I've already been told to start getting dish on her.. Poor girl!
I hope this all ends soon because I don't think that Kobe did what she is saying.

Posted by Karina on July 18, 2003 9:32 PM

Okay I got you people some pretty good links to look at. If I offened anyone by this please forgive me. Both links are about Kobe,
This one contains the actual police report
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/kobepress2.html

This one is just funny as hell.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_4570.shtml

Again if anyone is easily offened please don't bother reading them.

Posted by karina on July 18, 2003 10:00 PM

For Jessica. When Joumana lived in Oakland b4 Jason she did kick it with some athletes (I say kick it because it wasn't dating, you heard rumors from people and the athletes but it wasn't like she was seen with any of them). I don't know about entertainers in particular I just heard about her a lot because she had a reputation. I heard about her before I knew who she was. Then as I said before, when she married Jason his friends who are athletes said she had just been with someone in their circle a couple weeks prior to their nuptials.
As for Kobe, I am rolling. I don't think the girl was the one who decided to press charges or go public, I think she probably told to wrong person, and they ran with it. I don't think (not saying he didn't or its not possible) he took it though. Also his bodyguards are hired to protect, they don't get involved in their personal decisions unless it is going to harm them physically. These athletes and entertainers do this all the time (not all of them). The bodyguards see it all the time so its normal. Kobe probably cheated b4, now he was caught. The bodyguard or his boys were probably informed that the girl was coming up b4 she arrived. As for why didn't he use a condom, if he was stupid enough to cheat, its no suprise that he f-ed up all the way. I think it's rather funny. He was all up on MTV diary going on and on and on and on and on about Vanessa, and how these women don't stand a chance. His exact words were (as he stuck his wedding finger with his wedding ring on in all up in the camera) "Leave me alone!". Such a front. Thats why I never cared for Kobe (as a person that is, I still think he is an excellent ballplayer). He's just soooo cocky and tries to act soooo perfect. YOUR HUMAN MAAAAN!! Then his fake crying, give me a break. Are you crying because you feel bad? Or are you crying because you were caught and again, it looks good. I hope this situation humbles him a bit and brings him off his high horse. He put himself out there to be brought down, with all his cockiness. Can anyone say, reality check?

Posted by mb on July 19, 2003 12:46 PM

I think Kobe is innocent because this girl is apparently after his money. not once has she come out of hidding and spoke for herself. Everybody but herself has spoken for her, saying how guilty kobe is. No one knows what went on in that room but Kobe and that PHYSCO so until proven guilty Kobe is innocent. I'm going to pray that all of this ends right because Kobe seems to be a good person, and it is not right to make his family suffer. True enough he had no place cheating on his wife, but if she forgave him there is nothing we can do. I'm not saying they should divorce, but don't stay with a person just because of fame and fortune, but for love and all the right reasons not the wrong. There's my judgement PEACE.

Posted by mimi on July 19, 2003 2:38 PM

Karina I looked up
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_4570.shtml
It sys that page or link doesn't exists and rfrd me bk 2 hoopsworld main page. Can you tell me how you pulled the information?

Posted by mb on July 19, 2003 2:47 PM

Mimi how is Kobe innocent? He committed adultry for 1. Also what is this girl going to gain financially from this situation? Nothing. Heck they don't even want to show her face. If anything she is going to get exactly what Monica Lewinsky got, and thats fame (for a hot minute). I think Kobe did his thing and she was trying to hang out and he told her to leave. She probably didn't like that. However, if she at any time told him to stop and he didn't, he is wrong. I just want some photos to surface of her.

Posted by mb on July 19, 2003 5:03 PM

Also Kim just a footnote, just because Mateen Cleaves is "ugly", as you put it, that doesnt mean his girlfriend is ugly. I have seen plenty of ugly athletes date beautiful women. When I was younger I used to date a ball player that was not the best looking thing (some people say he is ugly) for a while, but he was mad cool and we were like good friends. So just because he's ugly doesn't mean he can't get a pretty girlfriend. Heck b4 Joumana came along and he cleaned up, Jason was a scraggly thing, especially when he was @ Cal Berkeley.

Posted by mb on July 19, 2003 5:10 PM

LA Fans talking about KobeJust hitting some points people have made here.....

No, they won't schedule the trial around the season. C-Webb's charges were trivial compared to this. Yes, C-Webb could have went to jail, but only for a month or so. In Kobe's case we're talking about a charge that carries a possible life sentence. That's big. There will be no delays, and once the trial starts, he will not be able to play. Anyway, he won't have the time to practice or anything like that.

And if this was one of the Kings, I'd be stunned initially, then I'd sit back and wait for the trial. I wouldn't say "he coulndn't have done that", because I really don't know the man. We think we know these players because we see then in our home on tv almost nightly. We don't. Go to here and you can see the rants of the Laker faithful. These people are truly crazed. Just because he's a great basketball player doesn't make him a great person. Let's be real people....he met his wife when she was 17 and he was 20. He had to wait until she was 18 to marry her....do you honestly think that they waited a year to have sex? That right there is a statuatory rape charge that was never filed.

And I don't feel sorry for anyone but Kobe's child. Poor kid will possibly have to grow up with a covicted rapist.

And for anyone who thinks his career is over if he's convicted, you're right. Players have done a lot of things in the past, but being convicted of rape and serving time for it isn't one of them. True, he could be out in 2 years (good behavior with the minimum sentence), but do you honestly think any team wants to go through the logistical and PR nightmare of having a registered sexual offender on the team?

Posted by Anonymous on July 19, 2003 6:05 PM

You are right about him and his wife. That was statutory rape. I didn't even think about that. I still personally don't think Kobe took it from her, I believe it was consentual. Again thats my opinion. This will definitely effect him though.

Posted by mb on July 19, 2003 7:09 PM

Does anyone have a picture of Mateen's girlfriend? Does he even have a girlfriend? Is he even with the same girl that he was with when this Kidd affair rumor came out?

Posted by Anonymous on July 19, 2003 7:16 PM

It's hard getting a picture of Mateen's girlfriend. He keeps her under wraps.

Posted by Anonymous on July 20, 2003 6:10 AM

I feel that he is innocent because so far there isn't any evidence that it was rape, and like someone said it would be stupid for Kobe not to use a condom. I'm sure he's not that stupid to do something so stupid. But them again he did have sex with Vanessa when she was 17, and that I'm not even sure about, so it is a possibility that he did have sex with the girl, but not rape her. Yeah, he committed adultry but if Vanessa is fine with that what can we do? Nothing. We don't have to sleep in the same bed as kobe,look at his face every morning, or nurture his child. She does and if she feels that should be together then that her, and that's what she is going to do. It would be kind of selfish to just up and leave during a tome like this. People say,"If I was her(Vanessa)I would leave Kobe." YEAH RIGHT. Kudos to Vanessa because she could file for a divorce, but she loves Kobe oo much. (once again these are opinions, so please don't jump down my throat.) Peace

Posted by Anonymous on July 20, 2003 10:45 AM

Iforgot to type my name on my statement so that was me up above this.

Posted by mimi on July 20, 2003 10:50 AM

How can you people even find pictures of Mateen, nevermind his girlfriend?? He never plays!! He sits at the WAAAYYY end of the bench! I don't know how people even know him, nevermind his girlfriend!

Posted by Anonymous on July 20, 2003 11:49 AM

i'am pretty much guessing now that kobe's affair came out i know vanessa would want to know if kobe cheated in the past and if he has i don't think vanessa would want to put up with it.did you see her at the press conference she looked like she wanted to rip his throat out..

Posted by b-rock on July 20, 2003 3:25 PM

vanessa bryant is not half white she is 100% mexican.her mother married a white man and he adopted vanessa when she was young then had her name changed to laine.Her biological father left her mother and moved back to mexico to be with his family.vanessa hasn't seen or heard of her father since she was very young.

Posted by kato on July 20, 2003 4:38 PM

how do you know this kato??

Posted by tasha on July 20, 2003 5:41 PM

vanessa real name is vanessa cornejo urbrieta laine and then last fall she changed it to vanessa marie bryant.kobe had been dating his high school sweetheart Jocelyn Ebron for five years and were engaged to be married only to find out from news reports that he pop the question to vanessa who was at the time 18.she was hurt of course because she has been with bryant through all his ups and downs and was very close to the family.but she wanted to finish college and have her on career so she would have her independence.she was ready to marry kobe as soon as she graduated college and move to the west cost to live with him.even after he was engaged to vanessa he continued to call jocelyn and tell her he loved her but she fealt betrayed and severed all ties with him.she wanted kobe to know that she loved him for him as a person and not as a rich ball player thats why she wasn't in a rush to get married but i guess he was..

Posted by kato on July 20, 2003 5:53 PM

I heard that too, kato. I remember reading about Jocelyn. It's all very interesting.

Posted by Jessica on July 20, 2003 6:46 PM

ooooooooo so the dish is all out now.. Well then Vanessa just lost my respect. Why on earth would she try to be known as 1/2 white and 1/2 Mexican. She should be proud of her spanish routes. Hell if you trace all the beautiful women who have won beauty pagents more than 75 percent of them are of spanish decent. She should be proud to be hispanic.

Posted by Anonymous on July 20, 2003 8:27 PM

Where is Karina lately?

Posted by jessica on July 21, 2003 12:09 AM

Hello everyone I'm back. I'm so sorry for not returning anyone's emails I will work on that today. I was in Miami covering the story of one of the greatest musical talents of Latin decent who pasted away on Thursday. I left Friday and just got back this morning. I will start responding to the emails I got sometime today. By the way, I don't buy this whole "Kobe raped me" thing. I think this girl gave into him and when he finished he said thank you and goodbye and she got offended. And threaten to run and tell everyone that he raped her and he said go ahead. So she got pissed and made up the whole story because Kobe treated her like what she truly is.... A low class, easy banging, white trash. And so I will begin my theory here... Let's take into consideration the fact that Kobe was there to recover from knee surgery, he had the surgery later but he was still in pain before or else why would you want surgery? Now if you ever needed knee surgery, you know it hurts like a mo^&*$%^#ker. Hell you have a hard time getting out of bed to walk to the damn bathroom let alone get up and chase after a blond bimbo who was coming on to you and then started playing hard to get. It didnít happen. He couldnít use his full force to get her down or up against the floor to penetrate her. (At this time I would like to apologize for offending anyone with my graphic writing or my opinionating story. This is what I do for a living, so sorry it offends anyone and if you canít take it please do not go on reading) Now, letís take in all the information that has already been proven, We know this girl is disturbed. And She recently overdosed on pills 2 months prior to this incident. Now hereís a clip from the newspaper that proves she is a drama queen:

ďI think it was just a cry for help,Ē Lindsey McKinney, 18, told the Orange County Register. McKinney had been living at the accuserís house in May, when the woman allegedly took the pills. McKinney told the newspaper that she learned from the womanís ex-boyfriend that she had ďoverdosed.Ē McKinney said she went to the accuserís house and found her incoherent, the Register reported. ďI was scared. She wasnít really talking at all,Ē McKinney told the newspaper. Although some of the accuserís friends said they overdose was an accident, McKinney told the newspaper she disagrees.
ďI donít think it was accidental. I was there,Ē she told the newspaper.
McKinney and other friends said the woman was going through a difficult time when the overdose occurred, the newspaper reported.

Also, from the newspaper: The 19-year-old woman accusing him of rape reported the incident almost immediately. She went to a hospital to have evidence collected, and Bryant was taken to the hospital for the same purpose. (Come on, anyone who has been raped before being collective and being able to plan what to do next isnít your biggest concern.) Women usually blame themselves and the first instinct is to wash away the dirty feeling. (Havenít we all seen The Accused)? Which is why Jody Foster had a hard time convincing people she had been raped, because she washed away the evidence due to the fact that she felt dirty and took a hot shower. Now my last point is this, another one of this 19 year old girlsí friend has stated that she talked to her right after the suppose rape. What did her friend say ďoh she was very confident and particular in her story, she wanted to go straight to the hospital to have tests done.Ē? HelloÖÖ.. It could be because it was premeditated! And why was it so urgent to go right away to the hospital? Go look at any raped victim, what is their behavior like afterwards; quiet, scared, uncoordinated, upset, shaken, have a blank stare, and totally in denial.
I say it goes to trial, everyoneís name is dragged through the floors and in the end Kobe is innocent due to all the lack of evidence. Again, this is my opinion so donít jump down my throat. I challenge anyone to prove my story wrong. If I offend anyone I am sorry but that is why I live in the greatest country of the world, AMERICA. Freedom of speech prevails!

PS Donít be surprised if we get people who all of the sudden come out and admit they know the whole truth right before the trial endsÖÖÖ

Posted by Karina on July 21, 2003 9:57 AM

all i have to say is that kobe evidently had rough sex with that girl and when he was finished with her he told her to be on her way and evidently she was hurt by it.Her story seems to far fetched.How is it that she was in kobes room for 2 hours and be unnoticed by her employees as being missing unless her shift was over and she stop by kobe's room before returning home.second why is it nobody heard any cries of help or plea from the victim if kobe was violating her.why would kobe force her to have sex with him at such a plublic place as a resort knowing good and well that the victim would spill the beans and from news reports said he was calm and very talkitive after the alledged rape took place.I agree with karina 100% this girl obviously had it all planned out once she was discarded by kobe and the fact she seemed so adament about what happen doesn't sound like a rape victim who had a horrific ordeal.To me it just sound like someone who was hurt and confused after kobe did his thing with her and didn't give her the time of day that she decided to teach him a lesson..

Posted by tasha on July 21, 2003 10:32 AM

my opinion vanessa doesn't look white at all she is a very pretty girl but with all that fake color in her hair and her fake eyes she looked aweful.If you look at early pictures of vanessa when she was dating bryant her hair was an off colored blonde and her eyes were hazel.now she has her natural color and her eyes are a deep brown.I don't know why she would want to be anything but hispanic but even in high school she tried to pass as white and she didn't look all that attractive.now she is very attractive and showing off her real ethnicity.Vanessa has made some improvement once she got rid of all that fake crap.

Posted by kato on July 21, 2003 10:48 AM

investigaters are looking for any sexual partners he had in the past and previously to see if he has a history of assault.Lets just hope for his wifes sake that kobe wasn't a ho the whole time they were married otherwise kobe can kiss his millions goodbye!!

Posted by b-rock on July 21, 2003 11:48 AM

If any of you are interested on how the alledged victim looks like go to : WWW.BinaryReport.com
if you can see she isn't all that attractive dang kobe if you are going to cheat on your wife at least upgrade..

Posted by kato on July 21, 2003 12:04 PM

I just heard this morning that the "victim" has mental problems because she tried to commit suicide over a boyfriend the first time and the second time she did it was to win him over and to get his attention. She had went out of town and when she came back she found out her boyfriend and her bestfriend and slept together. She then went into a rage, and over dosed on over the counter sleeping pills. He wouldn't take her back so she did it a secon time to get his attention. All of this information was said by her bestfriend and boyfriend. The bestfriend also stated that the parents of the "victim" called her and told her to keep her mouth shut about and don't say anything else to the reporters. So right there gives me good reason to believe Kobe is innocent. HOLLA

Posted by mimi on July 21, 2003 1:19 PM

Well the news is out we all know who the accusor is now. Hope little Miss Katelyn Faber is ready for war. It doesn't look good when they are calling up all her old boyfriends.

Posted by Karina on July 21, 2003 4:31 PM

Thanks Kato I was just about to post the binary report. Yeah she is plain Jane for real. Alot of the ballplayers have some plain Jane's though, you would be suprised. As I posted earlier, karina and I have pretty much the same theory. He told her to "BEAT IT!". Also I'm sure this wasn't the first time throughout their marraige that Kobe cheated.
Kato I have a question, how could Kobe have been with Jocelyn for 5 years when he went to his prom with Brandy? Shortly after that he was with Vanessa. I'm not saying he wasn't with a Jocelyn, but if he was, I guess that makes him a ho for real. He had some overlapping there.

Posted by mb on July 21, 2003 6:51 PM

Here's more about the Jocelyn, Brandy, Vanessa situation. It seems like Kobe enjoys being with more than 1 woman.

http://members.tripod.com/chhina0/id235.htm

Posted by jessica on July 21, 2003 8:12 PM

Karina, I just wanted to say that you are lucky that the topic of this message board has suddenly shifted to Kobe. Sorry to say, but I think you are lying about investigating the Kidd affair situation just to get people to shut up here about the whole thing. I think you just wanted it to go away because you don't like anything bad being said about Jason. I recall you doing this with TJ, too, telling us that he has a medical condition and that he had brain surgery just so that people wouldn't make fun of his large head. Then you tell us you read about the surgery in the Star Ledger, which is very untrue. Now whether or not you really do investigative reporting for a Spanish television, I don't know, but I'm thinking you just used that to make it seem like you could get information from the hotel. And I highly doubt Joumana was on that road trip with Jason. After the Toronto game, there was 2 days before the Atlanta game. The Nets would not fly from Toronto to Atlanta to spend 2 days doing nothing down there. They would fly back to NJ immediately after the Toronto game, spend 2 days in NJ practicing, and fly to Atlanta after the final practice. Your road trip story doesn't really make sense since there were two full days in between the Toronto and Atlanta game. Also, I doubt Joumana had business to do in Atlanta. She works for Extra, based in NY, and NBA TV, based in Secaucus, NJ. She does not commute to work. She has said before that all her work for NBA Entertainment is done in NJ. I know there are a few exceptions, like when she did some work for NBA TV in San Antonio for the NBA Finals. But Atlanta? There would not be anything for her to do there. The Hawks aren't even a playoff team. And why do you keep saying your employer would be mad for giving out information? You haven't said anything to us that was that private or major. And do you really think they would catch you by reading this website? I am sure they don't come to this obscure website! Who could find this site? You claim there are interviews and/or pictures from the Atlanta game, but there really aren't! And what did you tell your employer? That you wanted to do a story about Kidd's rumored affair? So they allowed you to call the Four Seasons hotel? Would your Spanish station even care about a little rumor when Kidd isn't even Spanish? And you think the hotel clerk would even remember who Kidd was with on April 10? He wouldn't even know who Joumana is. You would be lucky if he knew who Jason Kidd was! You really can't fool us, Karina. There are some VERY diehard Kidd fans around here. I, personally, read EVERY article about Kidd that is available online. I go to google.com every morning. Click on news and search for Jason Kidd by date. Every article about Kidd written in every newspaper in the country comes up when you do that search. I stay VERY informed about Kidd. So if you think you are going to pull a fast one about Jason or TJ or whoever, you can't get past some of us diehards :)

Now if I am wrong and you were telling the truth (even though your stories seem very crazy), then I apologize. But like I said, don't try to fool us.

Posted by Richard on July 21, 2003 8:45 PM

Sorry if that came off sounding a little rude, but I just get aggrevated when people try to mess with my head.

Posted by Richard on July 21, 2003 8:50 PM

Richard,

I am too old to play little boy games my dear. I don't have the time you do to prants around the internet to make up shit like that. Hey everything I say and write is true it's up to you if you want to believe it or not. Like I said before, whoever wants to doubt me fine I don't care. It would only bother me and make me defensive if I was actually trying to lie to you all. So it's fine by me if you do not believe me. And the other thing you said about the story being switched now to Kobe, I didn't do that on purpose I was merely answering someone else's inquiry. Hell you can talk about who ever you want when ever you are because the plain truth is this.... You are nobody to these high profile athlete's and your opinion doesn't matter to them either.... We don't know you and you don't know me. For all you know I can be Joumana or I can be your neighbor next door so lets cut the bullshit and act like adults in here okay.

PS I do mean to sound a little rude or bitchy because I am and I can be.....

Posted by Karina on July 22, 2003 9:10 AM

MB,supposedly she didn't mind that kobe dated other women from what i was told.she didn't necessarily care for the spotlight that much and was basically kobe's security blanket while he did his thang with other women.But as usual as soon as things cooled off with his "other" women she basically excepted kobe back with open arms.Kobe's parents adored her because she was smart she was going to college an establishing herself as her own individual and not necessarily depending on kobe for sucess or money.But as kobe would have it he couldn't seem to get his little act together.On the rumor tip i heard that kobe had at least 3 other affairs duing his marriage to vanessa but keep it on the DL..

Posted by kato on July 22, 2003 10:57 AM

Did anyone watch Larry King last night? One of Kobe's ex-girlfriends was on. Her name is Jameika Williams and she said she dated Kobe for a few months when Kobe was 18. Wouldn't he have been with Jocelyn around that time? I'm guessing the whole long distance relationship with Jocelyn couldn't really work out. I could understand why Kobe would want somebody that lived a little closer. Anyway, this Jameika girl was VERY supportive of Kobe. She frequently mentioned how Kobe treated her with much respect and was very gentle and pleasant. She's a very intelligent girl and is preparing to be a lawyer. I am VERY impressed in Kobe's taste for women.

Posted by Jessica on July 22, 2003 11:20 AM

You could be Joumana or my neighbor? But you swore you were Karina! You know how I can tell you're lying? Because I just asked you about 15 questions and you avoided every single one of them! Again, you seriously believe your employer would find this little website in the middle of nowhere and get you in trouble? Yeah right. And I just asked you to clarify a few things and you can't because you have no answers! I am straight up with people and I would like people to be the same way in return. If someone has a question for me, I gladly answer it as honestly as I can.

I don't get you Karina. First you complain about how all this crap about Kidd's affair must stop and how you can't take it anymore, but now you are saying you don't care and we can talk about whatever we want? And now you say you don't have time to prance around the internet and make up stuff, yet you have time to do in-depth investigations about the Kidd affair and write huge posts here?

Posted by Richard on July 22, 2003 11:35 AM

I gotta say I agree with Richard here. Karina, I think we all appreciate the information you provide us as long as it's honest. But it's really not fair if you are trying to mislead Kidd fans. Some of your story does sound a little crazy and I still don't know why you brought up a TJ operation when that has never been publicly mentioned. Maybe if you could just clarify your story about the Kidd hotel situation thing slightly better? I think Richard hit the nail on the head when he asked those few questions. I was wondering the same things as him. You said you would be willing to answer questions, so I for one would appreciate if you could answer some of those things. But hey, if you can't answer these things, it's okay. We all make mistakes and feel the need to lie sometimes. The good people are the people that can admit they lied.

Posted by Matt on July 22, 2003 11:43 AM

Wow the more I read about this whole Kobe story the more I believe he's being set up. Now in the NY post they are talking trash about the websites that have revealed her name and shown her picture because it supposely intrudes her privacy. Well what did she expect? Did she honestly think no one would know who she was ever? Come on I said it before that it was going to get ugly and it's just begun. I hope this is done quick so that Kobe can get on with his life. I always hated him for being so damn cocky but now I feel sorry for him. Oh Well "asi es la vida"!

Posted by Karina on July 22, 2003 11:55 AM

i saw that interview with jameika and she is a very attractive smart young women.I think with someone like that studying to be lawyer and coming to kobe's defense saying that in the 2months he dated her he was a kind and gentle person speaks volumes in my opinion.unless kobe dramatically changed during the years why would of all things become a rapist.This katelyn girl story sounds odd but when everthing is said and done its all going to end at he said she said and we won't really know the truth..

Posted by tasha on July 22, 2003 11:57 AM

you know what will end this jason kidd alledged affair thing if BOB would get his butt back hear and clarify some things because its obvious it is bothering people.I'am for one am stumped about this rumor and with the whole thing with kobe being the biggest story this summer parts of me wants to believe there are still athletes not necessarily basketball players, who once place that wedding ring on their wives finger meant it when it said to forsake all others.I couldn't believe that kobe would ever cheat on his wife but i guess he fooled me lets hope that our family man kidd doesn't betray the public like kobe.

Posted by candygirl on July 22, 2003 12:11 PM

It appears that you do not read everything.. I said it before Matt and Richard. If you want me to answer questions then email me directly not here on this post. And Mr. Richard I have time to do all this because this is what I do for a living. Journalism... How on earth do you think we get information to publish stories in newspapers or for TV programs? We investigate and then gather back up for everything we do. Again, I repeat you can believe it or not! And how you ask, will anyone from my Company find out, simple, if I post my full name here and tell you what station I work for how many people do you think would call that station and ask for me? If you don't think it's true then why on earth is it that I told a selected few of you who actually emailed me and asked me for Jason's home address (and you swore to me that you wouldn't tell on me) got back to the station and I was reprimanded for it. Now how did this happen? Is it by some stroke of genius that I ratted myself out? Or is it that Jason himself told on me? Come people be a little more honest will you. I did write that thing about TJís head and it wasnít a made up story. Hell I still swear I read it somewhere and I canít remember every single newspaper or magazine that I read. Have you any idea how much reading I have to do? I am still looking for that newspaper clipping so that I can show you and prove to you that I donít just talk to talk. I make sure that what I say has back up because that is the way I have been taught. Now as for how I have so much time to post such long posts simpleÖ. I donít know about you but I type about 75 words a minuet; most of my long post takes me a whole 5 minuets if that! Itís not like Iím losing hours here my friends. I go on this site frequently to check up and see if there is anything that I can use that is valid for a story. And how I got the 2 people to talk to me from Chicago is simple. Ever heard of being nice and polite and just inquiring. I also had to send them a fax copy of my id to prove I worked for the TV station and that I wasnít some Jane of the street being nosey. Itís not that hard you would be surprised how many people would jump at the chance of being on TV if you tell them you would do a private interview with themÖ HA HA HA I laugh because my job gives me the liberty to do it all. All right, enough of this stuff if you want me to answer more questions email me directly because I canít keep doing these long posts just to please you people. I answer every one of my emails thatís for damn sure. And Iím not handing out addresses anymore so donít bother with that.

Posted by Karina on July 22, 2003 12:19 PM

Candygirl I think you are right. I wish Bob would come back and then we can pin both BOB and Karena together and see who is telling the truth and who is telling the lies. I for one believe Karena's story. She did give me the right address of Jason and Kenyon. Too bad some people can't keep their big mouths shut.

Posted by Anonymous on July 22, 2003 12:24 PM

I called Univision and was told that there are 3 Karina's there... Damn does anyone know her last name?

Posted by Anonymous on July 22, 2003 12:28 PM

I'am new hear and for what i gather from the post there is a suppose rumor of jason kidd having an affair.I'am some what of a jkidd fan but i don't know about him all that well.but what i do know he doesn't seem to come across as the cheating type.he has his son every where he goes half of the time and his wife and it doesn't seem like he has the time to cheat especially after the situation with his wife i doubt he would put his marriage in jepordy a second time.But who knows if you ask me maybe asking his body guard if jason has done any philandering will answer your questions.I'am pretty sure that if anyone knows about athletes private life it will be their helpers.

Posted by kato on July 22, 2003 12:39 PM

they said that kobe's accuser was sick to her stomich when she watched kobe saying he wasn't guilty.she couldn't stand that he was crying and holding his wifes hand.enraged victim or jealous lover?? you decide..

Posted by b-rock on July 22, 2003 12:52 PM

b-rock that is so funny but I say inraged lover! LoL. Hey Karina why don't you tell these people who you really are. Some of them might be real surprised and then they wouldn't question what you say. I know I was impressed when I met you. Too bad you are married! Hehehehe

Posted by Jose on July 22, 2003 1:18 PM

Jose you are so funny! Please don't say any thing more than what you have already said. I appreciate your support and you know I think you are a great guy. Now for this anonymous person, why on earth would you call up Univision to ask for me. Please stop trying to find me or else I will have no choice but to stop posting here because I don't need any problems at work. I told you all this before and this is exactly why I think didnít want to tell anyone too much about me. There are too many nosey people in this world. (hahaha) me being one of them too. Candygirl I think you are correct, the only way we can resolve this is if Bob would just come back already.

Posted by Karina on July 22, 2003 1:44 PM

You all are taking it a little far by calling this girls job. Enough already. I don't necessarily believe all of what Karina says either, but you know what? It is her prerogative to say whatever she wants. Just like Karina I feel you should respect other peoples information as well. If you don't believe it or it sounds ludicrous, hey who is anyone to say it's not the truth? Hell Karina, its far fetched, but for all we know Jason could have paid the desk clerk to say his wife was there. I'm not saying thats what happened, however, you would be suprised to know the extremes these athletes (and entertainers) go through. All I'm saying as I have before, we all have our opinions, lets all respect it, if you can't then stop posting.
I must say Karina that sometimes you conradict yourself. First you say you work for a station (which might be true), so why on earth would you give strangers on the internet anything close to your personal information? Also a journalist keeps THEIR private life very private. I don't understand why you feel the need to give Jason's address out either. That is not hard to get anyway. Heck my ex boyfriend is from Jersey and when I was out there he told me exactly where he lived, and he is nowhere close to being a journalist. I know where almost all the Golden State Warriors and the Raiders reside, and don't know most of them personally, so just because you know that information doesn't mean you have resources that are air tight. You said earlier you are such a busy journalist, how on earth do you have so much time to get all this information on Jason? I'm sure he's not your constant assignment, is he? Most journalist work almost around the clock and don't have time for the things you say you have time for. Just my thoughts.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. You give the brotha a rope he wants to be a cowboy. hahahahahaha. No, for real though, I wouldn't be surprised if Jason was cheating again. C'mon people, there are very few ballplayers who don't cheat! Well, maybe Doug Christie. His wife puts her smash down so hard he's probably scared to cheat. I would say, hmmmmm, around 95% cheat on their wives. I bet thats pretty accurate.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 2:40 PM

Also your saying if bob came back it would be resolved. How is his word law? No matter what is said the only people that truly know what went on are the two involved. Period.. Unless someone was actually with them the whole time, even then someone could lie about that. So I go back to, the only ones that know are the people involved. My information, I think, is legitimate, getting still its speculation due to the fact I wasnt in the room with Jason or Joumana when they were doing the things people have said they have done. The only facts we all have are if we are directly involved with the parties in question, otherwise its all speculation.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 2:56 PM

Also Karina you said you have been posting since the beginning. I read you post and you sound a little crazy over Jason. You say your married and I'm taking it a respectable reporter. Why then in your earlier post would you post that you would be Jason's sex slave if he wanted one? You said you have no limits and you are kinky. Whether you were playing or not, thats not something a married woman would be posting. Is it possible you work for the station and you know a reporter and your using that name as an alias? I just cant imagine you would give up your personal info like that if your going to post all this stuff on here. If you not a reporter named Karina then you better quit getting her in trouble. If thats a different Karina in the earliest posts (which was only 2 or 3 I might add) then I apologize.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 3:29 PM

This morning on the radio I heard that Kobe's parents never liked Vanessa and they still love Kobe with all their heart but he has to take responsibilities for his actions, and they believe he is not guilty.

Posted by mimi on July 22, 2003 4:52 PM

That's why they didn't go to the wedding because they don't like Vanessa. They just started communicating with kobe a while after his daughter was born. I guess maybe they wanted to play their part as the grandprents. mimi

Posted by mimi on July 22, 2003 4:55 PM

Hey i think all of you guys should stop talking smack about karina because she is most likely the only person in here that knows the most about jason kidd. Karina i totally believe your story about jason kidd and his wife....and i would like to add that from the beginning when all of this started i said i saw joumana on tv and i did! Thanks for all the info karina!

Posted by beth on July 22, 2003 5:01 PM

MB, I started posting here in March I believe. Then I didn't post again until mid June when the NBA series ended. There is another Karina here because she emailed me and told me that she liked my name. I'm not the one who want's to be a sex slave because yes I am married. I do like Jason alot and I am a big fan of his. I don't know who the heck the other Karina is all I remember is that she was from LA and she was a little kid because she kept emailing me asking me all sorts of questions. She was eith 16 or 17 years old because I told her the best thing she could do is stay in school and study instead of doing all these crazy things she wanted to do. How am I contradicting myself I said I work for a TV Station that was it. I didn't say newspaper I said TV Station and again I will say this once again. I am not trying to start rumors or make up others to resolve the ones that started. All I said was that I took 2 and 1/2 weeks to come down with the whole scoop of the suppose affair. Hell I did it all in my spare time and I could of done something better with my time but being that I am a big Jason Kidd fan I dedicated my time to do just that. And yes you are correct, athletes do cheat I have done articles before on this same topic but what does that prove. It doesn't mean that Bob was telling the truth. I learned something else about Bob in my research and I am not going to reveal his motive but I will tell you this "this goes for you too BOB" when you do something to hurt someone, you also leave yourself open for that person to hurt you. Hey this is all water under the bridge, I will not post anything else that I find out I will only post my opions being that everything I say is being taken out of context.

Posted by Karina on July 22, 2003 5:03 PM

And Beth,

Thank you for your support it means a lot. If you ever want to know anything about Jason, whatever I know I will be more than happy to tell you.

Karina

Posted by Karina on July 22, 2003 5:08 PM

Well Karina I did apologe earlier, from reading what you have to say that did sound a little unlike something you would say. I do still find some things contradicting, that just my personal thought. I feel you should still post what you hear becasue there are some people who agree with you and like what you have to say. I haven't stopped posting what I feel is true or my opinion because your always going to have someone who doesn't agree. If you feel you should stop thats on you. Lets move on though.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 5:20 PM

Also Karina could you tell me about Bob I remember reading his post but they were long. I'm confused. What was he saying? Can you give me a quick rundown?

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 5:22 PM

For beth. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not jumping on Karina. All I'm saying is everyone should respect everybody elses opinion. No one is going to always agree, if we did we wouldn't have much to talk about here now would we? You believe her for the most part, some things I don't, but you know what thats ok. If I ? some of the things she says, I have a right to do so. She really doesn't hv to explain herself, however if she chooses to she puts herself out there more to be ?'d. She's ?'d quite a few people herself and you haven't calld her out and said she's jumping on anyone, so be cool. k?

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 5:29 PM

I also didnt say anything about you working for a newspaper if that was directed toward me.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 5:32 PM

Karina, you ARE the same person who posted that she wanted to be Kidd's sex slave and that you were kinky. The email address is the same, except you changed it from hotmail to lycos. Duh, we are not that stupid. You can't fool some people here like mb and myself. SO STOP LYING! YOU LOOK MORE AND MORE FOOLISH EVERY TIME YOU LIE!! That lie was enough to lose your credibility here in my opinion. (Mb, by the way, you are becoming my favorite poster here. You are seemingly the most honest and on-the-ball person here. I always look forward to your posts. Tasha, you're right up there as well.)

Also, I am starting to believe that not only are you "karina", but you are "beth" as well. I don't know if that is true, but sorry to Beth if I am mistaken.

I think people want Bob to come back because he was the one that started this Kidd affair rumor. It first surfaced with bob and I think a couple of others read bob's statements and twisted it into their own little story. The point is, if Bob comes back here and says he made the whole story up and was just lying, then that will be proof that it is not true. He is the ONLY person that knew about this rumor, so if he says he's lying, it's over. (And Karina, don't get any ideas to post here as bob because we won't buy it.)

Oh yeah, there is no way Joumana had 'work' to do in Atlanta. I've been thinking about this and there is nothing that she would have to do there. So the story doesn't make sense.

Posted by Richard on July 22, 2003 5:50 PM

mb, if you scroll back up to the post about being Kidd's sex slave, you will see that the email address is the same, except that Karina recently changed it to lycos instead of hotmail. In a poor attempt to fool us, I guess. It's the same person.

Posted by Richard on July 22, 2003 5:55 PM

Oops, Karina. You messed up on that one. The email addresses are the same. And you're right, mb, Karina did sound overly crazy over Kidd before. All of a sudden, she has changed, probably to make her story sound more believable. If she lied about the sex slave things, what else did she lie about? I don't know what to believe from Karina anymore, which is sad because I initially thought she was an honest person.

Posted by jessica on July 22, 2003 6:11 PM

mb, if you are looking for the comments that bob posted, I did save them before they were deleted. You can email me if you would like and I can send them to you.

bob did mention that he was a Detroit Pistons fan and the Nets did sweep them in the playoffs, so I am just wondering if bob may have wanted to make Kidd look bad because he was bitter that Jason was destroying his team.

Posted by Kim on July 22, 2003 6:16 PM

you know I was wondering why some peoples name was in green, unfortunately I can't c any e mail addresses. When I click on the names it sys thats disabled. Damn Karina if this is true, YOU ARE HELLA MOLDED!!!! If its not, I apologize again.

ATTN:
For all the people who post and use different names and are the same people. GET A LIFE. How pathetic it is to make up that you are this person that you arent because you want to be in real life and you never could. You know people cant see you so you make out like you are this person you aren't. A bit to advice for those that are doing that, why don't you pretend you are someone more glamorous, a star or something. Maybe pretend you are Joumana. hahahahaha.

Karina, why did you wait to tell Richard to stop calling your job until he mentioned it. Maybe because you don't work there? If someone called my job I would have checked it right away, he wouldnt have had a chance to mention he called. I don't know that is just me though. I real reporter wouldn't give that much personal information. Then you say you were on a trip regarding one of the biggest artist of latin decent. Who was this artist?

Karina I'm sorry to say but if you were the previous Karina like people are saying, maybe you should be posting as SYBIL.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 6:42 PM

Also Kim thank you so much for offering that information, I just wanted a quick rundown. I'm being stupid lazy right now, I don't feel like reading it. It really doesn't make a difference though. Either its true or not.
I don't know, I just trip off these fans how protective they get man. I love me some Michael Jordan, Puffy (I love him), I just don't go that crazy over them though. I sure don't put it past them to do any wrong thats for sure. Hell Michael Jordan had a squeaky clean rep b4 the gambling thing that supposedly was the reason around his fathers murder (which I don't believe), the infedelities. I just didnt cuss people out for talking about it or mentioning anything over it. I love Michael Jacksons weird ass also (he didn't molest those kids), but I wasnt ready to beat sum1 down for thinking he did. I mean that is what makes the world go round, OPINIONS! Its like yall ready to straight fight over 2 people who are HUMAN! Yall love em, but they ain't perfect. You all only know the couple you see on TV and in Jersey, you don't know how they are behind closed doors.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 6:50 PM

Also Karina, what ever happened to getting Mateen Cleaves girlfriends photos? I mean you did say you were going to try to get that. I'm sure if it was Jason you would have a slew of photos for us.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 6:52 PM

Yup, mb, same email address. Keg91@hotmail.com and now it's changed to Keg91@lycos.com. I couldn't believe Karina (if that is even her name) had nerve to say that it wasn't the same person! Mb, are you using internet explorer? Maybe if you just put your mouse over the green, you can see the email address come up on the bottom lefthand corner of your screen. You don't have to actually click on it to see it.

Oh yeah, and I never called Karina's job. I think someone that posted anonymously said they called her work. It wasn't me. It would be dumb to call anyway since I don't even think she works there.

Posted by Richard on July 22, 2003 7:04 PM

For all you out there that think karina is posting as beth..your all f^*^ing wrong..... this posting place has turned into a karina vs bob vs all you. you can either believe her or not believe her...thats what she has been saying from the start...i think its pretty creepy that some of you actually want to look up some stuff about her personal life.I think you should all forget about the jason kidd issue because its a waste of your time..if he did do shit with that one girl then who the hell cares...you can either believe it or not believe it. HOw bout we all move on and start talking about sports players or whatever...just as long as this posting place isnt a bickering zone! if i come off as a bitch to some of you ...then im sorry

Posted by beth on July 22, 2003 7:10 PM

While it seems like most NBA players would cheat on their wives, I would like to believe that there are some good guys out there that take the commitment of marriage seriously. This may be a small number, but how many NBA players are even married? That's probably a small number too. I wonder how many NBA players that are married to the mother of their children and got married before their woman got pregnant (probably a small number) actually cheat on their wives? I'm guessing it's a small number. So someone like Kidd, who married Joumana and then had 3 kids, I'm wondering how many of those type of guys cheat? Probably not too many. (And I know of Kidd's past, but that was when he was in college and Dallas. I think he definitely grew up and changed a lot in recent years. A lot of 20 year olds act like that, but a lot of them settle down and mature eventually.) Most of the cheating probably come from the guys that aren't married or only married the person because she is the mother of their children. Kobe is an exception to this, I guess, but I'm thinking Kobe only married Vanessa because he had sex with her before she became an adult, something that could have gotten him into a lot of trouble, not because of true love. But guys like Kidd? I just don't see them cheating as much as people may think they do.

Posted by jessica on July 22, 2003 7:22 PM

Dang see what I mean. Don't get all out of shape beth. Pull your drawls out of your butt and chill girl. Yeah I agree it is creepy sum1 is trying to find out who she is personally, just as creepy as her infatuation with Jason. How she called the hotel and interviewed the personnel to get his info. What article was posted? None. Just for her own personal gratification. You also say some of the same things Karina does, like "sorry if I come off as a bitch". Thats funny how Karina said the EXACT same thing, word for word. You are getting way too fired up. How bout we don't move on? How about we talk about whatever the hell we want to talk about, as we have been doin? How bout people quit trying to run this forum and let people say what they want, and quit getting upset when sum1 says something you don't want to hear? HOW BOUT THAT? I did agree with some of the things Karina/beth said so no one was totally against her, so what are you talking about?? Hell people jumped all over me for saying what I know and heard but I could care less. I know what I know, period!! Who cares if you don't believe me?

Also Richard thanks. I actually can right click and get the e mail address. Damn she is molded.

Posted by mb on July 22, 2003 7:27 PM

does anyone know the latest update on kobe...have they revealed the girls name on tv yet?

Posted by Anonymous on July 22, 2003 7:38 PM

I am reluctant to say anything, but this discussion seems to be going at least partly in a bad direction, so I think it's worth saying this:

- Karina and Beth are, as far as I can tell, two different people; they are posting from two different computers.

- Please don't, anyone, try to take anything from here and make it an issue for someone in their personal or professional lives. If you disagree with or disbelieve them, say so, of course, but keep it here.

- Please also don't turn this into a battleground; this isn't a place for personal disputes.

I hope that's all that needs to be said. (If you want to get in touch with me, send me a note here.)

Posted by Matt on July 23, 2003 1:00 AM

there is suppose to be a news conference when jason signs his new contract.

Posted by tasha on July 23, 2003 11:29 AM

Yes, there is a news conference for Kidd tomorrow.

Posted by Richard on July 23, 2003 11:37 AM

do you hear what happen now??the alledged victim was at a party 1 week before charges where filed and was giving graphic detail about kobe's body and sexual performance.she didn't understand why kobe's wife would be okay with kobe commiting aduletry.this doesn't sound like a rape victim this sounds like a jealous over obsessive fan who wanted 15min. of fame since american idol couldn't do it for her.and do ya'll know there is a photo of this girl exposed?? she was on vacation and she was flashing her chest for the whole world to see.she is the epitome of a whore!!

Posted by kato on July 23, 2003 12:18 PM

Jessica I agree with you on some points, however, Jason wasn't a stupid 20 year old when he hit Joumana. He wasn't 20 when he cheated on her also (and since they have been married he has cheated on her). He has grown a lot but he still has some work.
I don't understand why these people get married if their not ready to totally commit, it just boggles me. I know there are some cool ones out there, but they are few and far between.

Posted by mb on July 23, 2003 12:29 PM

I know Jason hit Joumana in his late 20s, but I don't put that in the same category as cheating. Hitting someone because you lose your temper and get overly aggressive without thinking can't really compare to cheating on your wife, in my opinion. Even if you love the person, it doesn't mean that you never will get mad at them or that you will never loss your cool. Some guys just need to learn how to control their anger and need to learn how to not take their anger out on the people they love. On the other hand, the person has control over himself when he cheats on his wife. It's not a spontaneous thing, like a punch. The guy makes the choice to cheat, whereas he's not saying, "Oh, I feel like punching my wife now." That's why I don't put Jason's domestic abuse incident in the same category.

How do you know that Kidd has cheated since he was married? Are you just assuming or is it getting around town? I know you live in Oakland but were people really talking about Kidd's personal life after he had already been gone for 2 seasons in Dallas and was now going to Phoenix? If he was cheating after marriage, how would the people in Oakland know? Or do you just believe Bob's story about Kidd's alleged recent affair? I don't know if I should believe it though.

Posted by jessica on July 23, 2003 12:44 PM

no I don't believe Bob's story its what I heard around town. Supposedly when he was married (at first)he hadn't totally cut things off from his prior girlfriend Amy whom he was (supposedly) engaged to. After he had TJ I hadn't heard anything. I'm not saying domestic abuse is in the same category as cheating, but they can both be premeditated. They are in the same category as far as they can both be prevented. Just like someone can control their anger and chose another means to lose their cool, is the same for someone cheating. Some men don't plan to cheat on their wives, SOMETIMES, it just happens. At least thats what I believe. I'm not trying to get back into that whole issue of domestic abuse again, however I don't think one is any better than the other.

Posted by mb on July 23, 2003 1:22 PM

I'm not saying bob's story isn't true, I just don't take anyones word for things I don't know first hand. I don't take the time to investigate things from people I don't know either, because either it's true or it isn't.

Posted by mb on July 23, 2003 1:30 PM

Okay let's clear up somethings. First of all I never said I work for a newspaper so I don't know where anyone got that from. Second, I never said Richard call my job. I don't know who it was because they never left or gave a name. Third, I am not Beth, although thank you Beth for sticking up for me. Forth, you can believe whatever the hell you want to believe I do not care anymore. And you can all think whatever you want about me. The plain truth is you don't know me I don't know you so what you think of me makes no difference or does it even affect my persona in anyway. Last, Matt, you can easily trace the links from where BOB posted so why don't you do that and just trace him and get the real story and let everyone know who he really is and why he posted what he did.

Posted by Karina on July 23, 2003 2:12 PM

For what it's worth I work with Karina and you people have a lot of nerve calling her names and saying she's crazy. Hell I know she's a big Kidd fan you should see her cubical. But she's not about to make up stories for any of you either. I personally don't see what the big deal is Jason Kidd isn't all that and he's ugly in my eyes.

Talk about something interesting.. How about going back to the original topic of U2.

Posted by Trisha on July 23, 2003 2:22 PM

for what it is worth nobody should be calling anybody names period or suggest that people are crazy or obsessive without it becoming personal.Think about it what does Karina have to gain in telling her stories?you either believe it or you don't you take her word for it or you don't.I know MB an I taken alot of slack for posting our personal opinions about Kidd because we are both from the bay area.I"am not going to elaberate all you got to do is read our past post and you can see that people were ready to jump down our throats because we dared to criticize jason kidd because of our on personal opinion.Karina i'am not about to judge you because i don't know you personally but don't take to heart what people say because you have a right to an opinion just like anyone else good or bad.I like jason kidd i think he is a great ball player but i also believe he has his faults and nobody should try to change my opinion.

Posted by candygirl on July 23, 2003 5:57 PM

That's all very nice Karina, but you still didn't explain why you lied and told us that it was ANOTHER Karina that posted about wanting to be Kidd's sex slave and what not. Do you think that we are that dumb that we can't go back and see that the email address are the same? If you lie about that, who knows what else you lie about? (or at least exaggerate the truth)

Oh yeah, and I am sorry Beth for thinking you were Karina.

Posted by Richard on July 23, 2003 6:12 PM

And Karina, I'm not trying to attack you personally. I don't care about your personal life. I just want to know the truth about Kidd. I don't like when people lie about things that involve him. That's not saying that you lie about Kidd, however, because I don't know that.

Oh yeah, I think people associated you with working for a newspaper because you mentioned you were a journalist and something about getting information to write stories. I think that confused some people about whether you worked for tv or a newspaper.

And thanks mb for that info. Do you know anymore about Amy? Is she from the Bay Area? Did she go to school with Kidd or anything? I thought Kidd was engaged to a girl in Dallas, but maybe I am mistaken. I remember reading that that engagement was a bunch of nonsense anyway and that Kidd barely knew her or cared for her.

Posted by Richard on July 23, 2003 6:32 PM

I understand what you're saying mb. I was just saying that a punch takes a fraction of a second. Having an affair obviously takes longer than that. Hitting someone is more impulsive. There is no way that you can think about what you're doing before you do that. Like I said, it's not like Kidd stood in a room and said, "There's Joumana. I am going to fight with her now about TJ's french fries and after we yell at each other for a while, I will punch her in the face." But you are capable sometimes of thinking of cheating before you do it. While you're in the process of cheating, I would hope it crosses the athlete's mind that they are betraying their spouse.

Posted by jessica on July 23, 2003 6:44 PM

Y'all I just saw a while ago I seen on CJ(Clebrity Justice) that the pictures of that girl on that wbsite kato gave us (www.BinaryReport .com), wasn't the "victim" she was a different girl with the same name as the "victim", and the people who posted those pictures are going to be sued because of the words (hoe, slut, and whore) were also posted under the pictures causing a bad reputation for the girl. They have been talking to their lawyer for the past few days about the law suit. I don't know how she found out about the website, I only knwo what they (reporters on CJ) said. HOLLA

Posted by mimi on July 23, 2003 6:48 PM

Matt, you can easily trace the links from where BOB posted so why don't you do that and just trace him and get the real story and let everyone know who he really is and why he posted what he did.

I wouldn't try and track down anyone, even if I could -- what I said above about not bringing any of this into anyone's real life goes for me, too.

Look, there's no way to know if some things are true or not. Sometimes, you just have to live with the uncertainty.

Posted by Matt on July 23, 2003 7:07 PM

Okay Richard, I still stand by my word that I did not write that 2nd or 3rd post in here. I post from a public computer. Most of my information was stored on here since I log in and out. And the emails and name comes up every time I post. I don't know who it was that posted all I can tell you is that it wasn't me and I don't care if you believe it or not. I made the mistake of clicking on the little box on the bottom that says remember info. I guess that's why my name stays on there. I don't need to prove anything to you because I'm not on trial here. As for the misunderstanding on the whole newspaper and TV thing. I am a journalist. I never told anyone I was a reporter. I said I work for a Spanish TV station. I write the stories for 3 different entertainment shows that are then turned into interviews. I write the questions that are asked in the shows as well. My name really is Karina and you can all believe it or not. I have since cleaned the cookies on this computer so that my name and email doesnít come up when Iím not here. I never said my email wasnít Keg91@hotmail or Keg91@lycos.com. You can think what you want I pretty much own all the KEG91ís in all the webmail servers out there. And in case you didnít figure it out yet KEG are my initials. And I agree with everyone in here who says that we should post our opinions and people should respect that. I donít have anything to gain by making up stories.

And for Kato, you seem to know a lot of things about Kobe. Do you know him on a personal level? And Mimi, I read in the NY Post that those pictures were of the girl and that is why everyone got so fired up. It seems her attorney is stating that itís an invasion of privacy. But you have to wonder, did she really believe that everything was going to stay hush and that no one would ever know who she was. This is the problem with most teenage kids, they donít think before reacting.

Posted by Karina on July 24, 2003 10:21 AM

I don't know kobe personally but i've been following his career since high school.I don't know alot about Kidd so this is interesting to find this website and discussion is all about kidd.Alot of the things that i found out here is all very interesting because i tended to believe that jason was boring and very shy not you know getting himself in any kind of serious trouble.What i'am surprise to read here is that jason has another son which i didn't know at all so this is all relatively knew to me and especially his son is about to turn 10.I knew about tj but i didn't know about the other one.was he the son that jason had with his ex fiance???

Posted by kato on July 24, 2003 10:50 AM

Karina, you keep shooting yourself in the foot. Since you are obviously not willing to scroll back up near the top to read your sex slave post, I will put it here for you to refresh your memory. You DID write this. The email address is yours. Deny it all you want, but your name and email address is right there!!


Here is what you wrote Karina...

--I just have to say thanks to everyone who answers my questions in here. You are all so great! And for all you guys who want Joumanna as a sex slave I say keep dreaming. I highly doubt she's going to cheat on Jason with anyone in this entire Universe. I know I wouldn't... By the way, Jason if you ever want a sex slave you can count on me! Not only do I have no limits but I'm also extremely Kinky! I love you Jason Kid..................
GO NETS!!!!! LET'S KICK SOME BUCKS ASS AND THEN MOVE ONTO FINISHING THE JOB OF KICKING SHAQ'S AND KOBY'S ASS IN THE WEST COAST LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE LAST YEAR! NETS RULE!!!!!!!!! NJ RULES !!!!!!!!!

Posted by Karina on April 23, 2003 11:52 AM--

The email address says keg91@hotmail.com

But you are still claiming that that is not you! That is the last time I will mention this. You now lied twice about the same thing, just so you know. There is nothing left to discuss.

Posted by Richard on July 24, 2003 11:19 AM

Oops. The sex slave part won't even copy! That's how bad it is, I guess.

Posted by Richard on July 24, 2003 11:24 AM

Scroll back up to the top to read it.

Posted by Richard on July 24, 2003 11:29 AM

I read what your talking about richard and you are right that is the same person with the same address so sorry Karina i guess there is no way you can get out of this one.Another person can't still your email information unless they have your password and even so why would they disquise themselves as you of all people??There is nothing wrong for you to write post but it seems you are contradicting yourself and making up stories causing people to believe that the information you pulled up on jason isn't exactly the truth or you stretched it.There is no possible way you can ask a top of the line resort if jason and his wife check in on a certain day. that is called invasion of privacy you would be commiting a crime of invading someones personl buisness.just like you can't prove that joumana was at the resort with kidd because unless your with her every second of the day there is no way you can prove it.Including the fact that joumana doesn't attend alot of jason's away games for the simple fact that she too has a job and doesn't want to be away from the babies for to long.whether bob's story is made up i don't know but i find it hard to believe that you were able to obtain this info especially after this suppose affair happen in april.Unless the conceirge at the resort happen to have some kind photo optic memeory of that pecific day and pecific guest there is no way you can track down that kind of certain info the same reason you can't find one newspaper that states that tj had brain surgery.just like your story that was made up.

Posted by b-rock on July 24, 2003 11:54 AM

Kobe just bought Vanessa a 4 million dollar, 4 karat, purple diamond ring yesterday. And Katrina don't tell me it ain't true cause I don't know what to believe when tell stuff. I heard this with my own two ears over the radio. If you got proof that he didn't then I'll believe you but if you don't leave it alone. And i believe them pictures wasn't the "victim" because wouldn't they report it on t.v if it wasn't true.

Posted by mimi on July 24, 2003 1:32 PM

here is the link that talks about the girl who's falsely accused. The story says it is the right name for Kobes accuser (they both have the same first name, the name that is on binary report is correct), but it is the wrong picture.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_2132193,00.html

Also Beth I apologize to you also for thinking you were Karina, but I still think you were a getting way too upset.

For Richard, Amy is from San Francisco, as well as Jason's 1st sons mother. He was with Amy for a long time, it wasn't frivilous. Earlier I posted that people were tripping that he all of a sudden married Joumana because they though him and Amy were still together.

Also for Kato Jasons first son (Jason Jr.) is about to turn 11 I believe, I'm not sure though.

For Jessica, I do agree MOST affairs are premeditated, some aren't though. Some affairs I believe are very spontaneous and in some cases are the only affair 1 person might have. Sometimes nobody ever finds out about them.

Also Karina, If that is you you should just come clean or don't try to justify it anymore. Move on. I work with computers (that it my profession) and I also post from a public computer. You have to actually put your e mail address in, it doesnt automatically come up. Also being that Matt cleared up the confusion of us thinking you and beth are the same person, I'm sure he would let us know if there were 2 Karinas also. Maybe not though.

Candygirl you are right we shouldn't call people names, however, I don't do it in anger. I think its funny. So if I offended anyone sorry, in the same sense, don't be so sensitive, it's not personal.

Posted by mb on July 24, 2003 1:46 PM

Jason Jr will be 10 on November 13.

Posted by Anonymous on July 24, 2003 2:53 PM

i also heard kobe bought vanessa a 4 million dollar ring.Talk about feeling guilty!!(:

Posted by tasha on July 25, 2003 10:13 AM

i'am glad that jason finally signed his contract .did you see the family they all look so adorable with there yellow on!!(:

Posted by tasha on July 25, 2003 5:54 PM

i cant find any pics of the press conference.. i want to see pics of jason and his family wearing yellow! hehe... does anyone know where i can find any pictures of that? THANK YOU!

Posted by rachel on July 25, 2003 8:40 PM

Rachel, you can go to www.yahoo.com and go to news and then go to photo search. There are a few pictures of the press conference there. Also, you can go to www.njnets.com and there is a picture or two of Jason signing. Also if you go to NBA.com, you can watch Jason's entire press conference if you sign up for the free trial of NBA Inside Ticket. You just have to make sure you cancel it though within two weeks so that they don't bill you. I did this and it was great. Kidd and his family looked very happy.

Posted by Richard on July 26, 2003 2:33 AM

thank you richard! :-)

Posted by rachel on July 26, 2003 11:41 AM

This board is great...I thought I knew almost everything about Jason Kidd but after reading all these posts I have learned so much more about him than I ever have since I started being a fan of his (which was back in 1998).

I have been looking for a really good jason kidd site and I'm glad I accidentally found this while looking for information about Jason Kidd and Gabrielle Union...turns out she wasn't the only one he was with...

Even though Jason Kidd has made mistakes in the past, I tend to believe that he has changed for the better, and like he says, he still is a working progress at the age of 30. I think it's great that he has changed his life around since the incident he had with his wife. He and his family seem to be really happy here in jersey and hopefully the NETS will continue their success (and more) now that they have taken care of their #1 priority.

Posted by Jennifer on July 26, 2003 10:23 PM

I was told about this website by someone who I know for a very long time. She is one of the women who comes in our office to gather information to write about players. I can't believe the bullshit that some of you write in here. If any of you believe those stupid rumors about J Kidd you are lame. I can tell you from working with him directly that all those rumors are bullshit. You people need a life!

Posted by Nolan on July 26, 2003 11:11 PM

Nolan, you have worked with Kidd directly? In what way? Do you know him personally? What's he like? Are you saying there is actually a guy in the NBA that doesn't look to cheat on his wife?

Posted by jessica on July 27, 2003 7:18 PM

Yes I believe Jason has changed a lot for the better. I just hope he establishes a relationship with his first son again.
For Nolan, you have no idea how Jason used to be. Some rumors aren't true, some are true. You can believe what you want. I'm sure there were some Kobe fans who thought he could do no wrong also. You don't have to use foul language either.

Posted by mb on July 28, 2003 12:26 PM

Nolan just because you work for the NBA doesnt mean you know this man personally on all levels.
Also if you think everything is BS why don't you explain why Jason stopped seeing his first son after he and Joumana had TJ? Or why did he strike his wife?
Those are the only things I know are fact. Maybe you could clear that up if you think that is BS.
He came a long way, he has a way to go. Thats just my personal opinion though.

Posted by mb on July 28, 2003 12:31 PM

Did anyone happen to see jason kidd during his press conference last week...all i got to say is daaaamn..he looked pretty damn good... I've seen pictures of him when he was in college playing for Cal and back when he was a Mav, and honestly I think he looks way better now than he used to...That man can dress too, since he always looks pretty GQ wherever he goes...TJ looked adorable too..I think he was wearing the same color tie his daddy was wearing. (Props to Joumana if she's responsible for Jason's attire)

Posted by Jennifer on July 28, 2003 1:13 PM

I said the same thing in an earlier post, and candygirl agreed. He looks 1000% better than he used to. I think Joumana is absolutely responsible for his appearance, because he was a scraggly thing b4. They did look nice in their yellow.

Posted by mb on July 28, 2003 7:19 PM

Latest news on Kobe's case:

BREAKING NEWS
Monday July 21:
Denver Station KKFN is reporting that Kobe and his accuser had a previous relationship. It's also being reported that the accuser may have been an NBA groupie, possibly involved with Nick Van Exel.

www.lakerstalk.com

Posted by Karina on July 29, 2003 11:01 AM

Oh and another thing.. the website with all the pictures of Kobe's accusor is now mysteriously down. I wonder what happened? Does anyone know? Kato?

Posted by karina on July 29, 2003 11:44 AM

they took them off because they weren't the pictures of the accuser, they were pictures of a different gir with the same name.

Posted by mimi on July 29, 2003 1:15 PM

Well I found a website that says the opposite. And they have a whole bunch of pictures.
http://www.kobewatch.org
or
www.webrats.com

And if why haven't they cancelled that website?

Posted by Karina on July 29, 2003 1:59 PM

Okay now I found something else in that website I just gave you all. It's posted in their boards and here it is.:

Matt Drudge has revealed some information that hasn't yet been released, on his sydicated radio show.

Excerpt: "I've decided to reveal some of the dirty sex details of the case. I have been told it's anal sex. ... My sources have been telling me.

"That's why it's going to be controversial when it goes to trial. It's what is causing people a lot of uncomfortable feelings.


"Some of the details (of the case) are explosive. Dateline (NBC) had some of this information and decided not to air it. ... This speculation is quite solid from where I sit."

__________________

Posted by Karina on July 29, 2003 2:12 PM

Wow thats new to me. The booty, ouch!
The girls picture is supposed to be wrong and her attorney has issued a cease and desist order but some websites haven't complied. Their first name is the same. The girl in the pictures is a dancer the real accuser is a cheerleader.

Posted by mb on July 29, 2003 4:29 PM

Yeah Karina, thats the right name but a different girl than the prom chic. I looked on those websites.

Posted by mb on July 29, 2003 4:40 PM

The original girls photo is in there under "not her". dang they put her on front st. But I guess if Kobe's innocent thats only fair. Why put him out there and not her?

Posted by mb on July 29, 2003 4:51 PM

Wow now I heard that she did agree to sex but he forced her to do it IDB so she suffered injuries. I don't understand how she could be bragging about the whole thing in a party later on that week. That had to hurt!

Posted by Karina on July 29, 2003 5:12 PM

Ah, Karina resurfaces. Just long enough for everyone to forget that she lied to us about what she has posted in the past. Well I didn't forget and I will forgive you this time, Karina, but it is a shame that you are not mature enough to admit that you lied. I was hoping that you would apologize at least, but I guess you are not that kind of person. Just a warning for the others here... Do not believe everything Karina says, because she has lied before and will probably do it again.

Posted by Anonymous on July 29, 2003 9:34 PM

I told you all before you can believe what I say or not. I'm not going to apologize because I didn't do anything wrong. So if you wish to read what I write and believe it great if not hey that is your prerogative! I'm not here to enforce anything nor do I think I know it all.

Posted by Karina on July 30, 2003 11:42 AM

The latest on Kobe is what dateline is saying is Kobe could have been with the girl b4. They said no1 from the Lakers camp knew about his surgery. As you all know the players are supposed to communicate to the GM, coaching staff, and the physical therapist regarding injuries. Also when you have surgery like the surgery Kobe had (which was pretty major), he had to have consulted with that surgeon prior to the surgery a few times. So the assumption does make sense. For some people who wonder why Colorado, I know a major player (won't state his name), that just had knee surgery last year by the same surgeon, so that is not odd for hime to go to Denver. Now after hearing that dateline assumption it adds up with what Karina says she heard about the booty. Most people don't come at you about the booty unless they feel comfortable with you (even then you might get clowned), so he might have been with the girl prior. Also she went to his room awfully fast after her shift was over, like right to his room.

Posted by mb on July 30, 2003 11:48 AM

Karina, I wasn't talking about the comments you made about investigating Kidd's affair. No one has any idea about whether or not those comments are true. I was talking about your denial of the sex slave comments. Why do you continue to deny this when it is easy to see that the email addresses are the same? Oh well, I won't mention it again because you obviously will continue to deny it.

Posted by Anonymous on July 30, 2003 8:00 PM

I read in the sports illustrated that Jason only stayed in New Jersey because T.J. didn't want to move, and he liked all of his friends and his school. Jason said, "[my son] T.J also enjoys his golf coach. you know it's hard to find a good golf instructor for a four-year-old." I don't know what point this makes we just need somwthing else to talk about instead of kobe and that physco"victim".

Posted by mimi on July 30, 2003 8:00 PM

i was watching the late late show with craig killborn(spelling) on friday and he had an actress named Gabrielle Union on(she is in the movie bad boys 2)anyways craig killborn asked her to name the boyfriend she had in high school who dumped her in front of everybody and she said his name is JASON KIDD he plays for the new jersey nets. they were dating for 4 months.

Posted by anonymous on July 30, 2003 10:05 PM

Jason has also confirmed that he will be playing during the Olympic Qualifying Tournament because he seemed kind of iffy before as to whether he would play or not. I'm glad that he has decided to play 'cuz I'd love to see him play, but I dunno whether it's good for him and the nets. I mean he has been playing a lot of basketball...i just don't want him to injure himself (knock on wood) even though he might only be playing 10 minutes a game.

Posted by Jennifer on July 30, 2003 10:15 PM

10 minutes a game isn't bad. Kidd will be fine. He can rest a little in September. While most guys start working out and playing some basketball to get in shape for training camp in October, Kidd can get that out of the way in August and relax a little in early September. I'm not worried. I look at this as a fun way to get in shape for the upcoming season.

Posted by Anonymous on July 31, 2003 11:18 AM

their first game is October 29, they are playing Toronto at 8 p.m. not at home, away. Just thought i might throw that in there just in case ya'll wanted to watch it.

Posted by mimi on July 31, 2003 1:20 PM

HEY, WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Posted by Anonymous on August 1, 2003 11:09 AM

HEY, WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Posted by mimi on August 1, 2003 11:09 AM

I have come across some very interesting things to write about but since I only get back stabbed and trashed everytime I post I have decided not to post on here anymore. Good luck all!

Posted by Karina on August 1, 2003 11:49 AM

can y'all refresh my memory? when is T.J., miah and Jazelle's birthday. i need to mark my calender. thanks

Posted by mimi on August 1, 2003 12:16 PM

Karina I said earlier you shouldn't stop posting, however if your going to stop posting would you just stop posting and quit announcing it. It's like your trying to get attention or people to beg you to stay. It would be nice because some of your input is interesting, but its your perogotive to stop.
Kobe is about to get it. The state has been authorized to use unlimited funds to prosecute Kobe. I hope he didn't keep going if the girl told him to stop. Man once intercourse is into play it's such a fine line between consensual and rape. Men also have a very different definition on whats consensual. Some men think once you say yes it's on and if you say stop in the middle and they keep going that it was still consensual. I'm straddling the fence on that subject. What do you guys think? Men and Womens opinions.

Posted by mb on August 1, 2003 3:18 PM

y'all i just read that not only did jason just occasionally slap joumana, he would hold her head in the toilet and repeatedly flush it, choke her, poke her in the eyes, and pull her hair. I'm not trying to start anything but this all came as a shock to me and it is very disturbing. if all of this was happening why on earth would she stay with jason. and to think it was a minor slap in the face. she went through hell with that man, but it's 50/50. no tellin' what she did to upset him. her part is always kept quiet.
Holla back
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 3, 2003 2:06 PM

to back all that up the website is www.thesports.com

1. click on past issues in the right hand corner of the top of the web page.

2. Go down to issue #10

3.click on "Basketball Player Tenderly Salutes Wife He Beat Shit Out of"

4. Then read on from there

Posted by mimi on August 3, 2003 2:13 PM

i ment to type in www.thesportsrag.com
my bad

Posted by mimi on August 3, 2003 2:16 PM

It's fake Mimi.

Look at the banner on the top of the page.

http://www.thesportsrag.com/Anchor_Images/banner.gif

"The Most Trusted Name In Fake Sports News"

Posted by Nobody on August 4, 2003 11:14 AM

my bad i guess i didn't thin to read that. I was so shocked that i didn't take time to read on myself.
thanks for bringing that to my attention.
now i know the truth. MIMI

Posted by mimi on August 4, 2003 1:29 PM

Okay latest on Kobe,

From what I hear he's screwed. The bell boy is now coming out and saying her clothes were torn and she was upset when she came down from his room. When a woman says no after she says yes it's hard to know whether she means it or not is hard to tell. Think about it, sometimes a woman gets so into it she may be says harder, or stop but she doesn't mean it.. This is going to be a tough one...
Just one woman's opinion!

Posted by Anonymous on August 4, 2003 2:49 PM

Even if that was true, there is nothing that she could do to make that ok. Theres no 50/50 when it comes to abuse. He didn't do all that but he did hit her more that once, not beatdown or anything just slapping and pushing around.

Posted by mb on August 4, 2003 2:57 PM

I'm totally new to this forum, I actually just registered right now :]! Anyways, I heard some info regarding this whole Kobe deal tonight at dinner.. ((Yes, what lovely dinner conversation))

Anyways, one of my dad's friends usually attends some Hollywood bar where all the "leet" people go, and he knows the bartender quite well. Uhm, I'm not sure the date, but it was a Thursday and a sportscaster reporter person had come in and him and the bartender person were all hushy hushy whisper whisper. Now, this sportscaster person is like someone well known but my dad's friend didn't want to say, just incase he might get in trouble or something. But anyways, after the guy left the bartender came over to our family friend and was like: "Do you know who that was?" :: nod :: "Well he told some stuff about Kobe that isn't suppose to come out till tomorrow ((Friday)). He said that the girl went up there, gave him a BJ, then he turned her over and did her doggystyle. She had a tear around her vaginal area and had to go get it sewed up."

Well, this is probably repeat info for most of you, but it sure makes sense to me. If she couldn't handle him ((she looks like a small girl)) and he did her a little too hard, he could have torn her and hurt her. It would be very hard to prove rape on just tearing. I know someone who dated a well endowed black male and she would tell me how much it hurt and all the bleeding and sometime ripping. ((Made me wonder why she would even o.o). Basically, if she had visible bruising that should hit the nail on the head.. but with the way everything is being said.. it doesn't seem like she had bruising? Please let me know if I am wrong.

Maybe because I know someone that has been raped.. I compare things to her account and they don't seem to add up to me. Why would Ms Farber wait until the morning to go to the police? ((OC Register reported she went with her parents the next day)) If at anytime you feel violated or you think there as been wrong doing done toward you, you automatically go to the police. Also, today there were reports of witnesses that saw her right after she came down from his room saying her clothes were torn and she was very distraught. Why are these witnesses coming forward NOW, when they should have came forward when they first found out there were charges against him? It really screws up crediblity.

Women and their psyche are extremely screwed the hell up. I know vicious females who have screamed rape because they found out their partner for the night was just a one night stand, they had a wife, they didn't want any strings attached with their sexual encounter, they regret who they just had sex with, or there is potential gail for themselves It's really sad that women can use such a violent and horrorendous act as a form of revenge. There are many of false accusations of rape all the time. Hopefully Ms Farber is not one of these people who would do such a thing, I also hope jurors use common sense when dilberating their verdict.. some of these things just don't add up, but if there is proof of bruising it really seals it shut. Ripping can happen when you aren't prepared for a large object or aren't fully prepared for sex, so I don't feel it's credible to a rape charge if alone.

Anyways, I hope I have not offended anyone, and my account of what was told to me, well of course I change the words because it well... it was quite blunt and vulgar. Thank you for the time and space!

Posted by 3raye on August 4, 2003 4:45 PM

I have said it before and I will say it again, she got exactly what she was looking for when it came to sex. She got exactly what she didn't want when it came to after sex. See, Kobe had to have surgery the next day so he just wanted some quick pussy before bed. She wanted to hang around after the fact and feel like she meant something to him, but Kobe didn't want any part of that. This is where the witness statements of him calling her "white bitch" come into play. Kobe, or one of his crew, tossed her out of the room and called her a white bitch. This is also where the so called torn clothes come into the picture, she was all pissed off that she was being thrown out of the room that she thrashed around and threw a fit. This is my version of what happened. KOBE IS INNOCENT!!

Posted by Anonymous on August 4, 2003 4:47 PM

first, there seems to be legitimate reports of bruising and physical wounds. second, the bellhop and witnesses probably spoke with the cops when they came to the scene after the incident. it is only NOW that it has been leaked to the public. third, only 10 to 15% of allegations of rape are false, contrary to popular opinion. fourth, if i was a victim of rape, i would not immediately go to the police. the horrible victimization of going public is enough of a deterrent. i would wait to see if i could live with myself first. being a reporting rape victim changes your life for the negative forever. if you can live with the rape, it's probably better to keep it to yourself which most rape victims do. you don't get any money for reporting a crime to the police and your entire life is made public and scrutinized. who would want that? thus, it is not unbelievable that she didn't "automatically" go to the police.

Posted by katelyn on August 4, 2003 4:50 PM

I posted earlier that I think it was consensual but it might have been a little rough and she got the boot after. I also don't understand why she was bragging to her friends about it at a party. I do agree with a couple things katelyn says, although I don't agree with the bellboy theory, I think that would have came out a while ago. Especially how their trying to make an example of Kobe. Then there was automatically so much negative press with the girl, I'm sure they would have thrown that out there earlier. Thats just my opinion.
I went to a predominately white college (I'm not trying to offend anyone), and I'm sorry but there were 2 instances when I was there (only 1 1/2 yr) and 2 white girls (seperate situations) claimed these football players raped them. The players both had girlfriends that everyone knew of (they fooled around of course), but it was the same thing. They said beat it and the girls got upset. The charges were dropped, but it was still messed up.
Hopefully if Kobe is innocent this will teach him a serious lesson.

Posted by mb on August 4, 2003 6:37 PM

The girl can rip her own clothes. She can scratch herself and even bruise herself. She can do plenty of things to make it more like rape. She may be out for the money, for some fame. Hell, she tried out for American Idol, she's gotta be looking for some kind of attention. She may be pissed at herself and embarrassed for getting involved with a married NBA basketball star so she's going to try to get something out of this. As far as I'm concerned, the girl's a headcase, coming close to committing suicide in the past, overdosing, etc. Once it got a little rough, that was probably enough for the girl to scream rape.

Posted by Anonymous on August 4, 2003 8:28 PM

Karina, others and I have told you that we would stop mentioning the sex slave thing. You don't want to admit you lied and that is fine. It is over so forget about it and move on. I cannot force you to admit something that you would not like to admit. It's over. You are free to post what you wish and people will not jump down your throat any longer. If you are set on leaving this board, you do not have to announce it, making it seem like you want people to beg for your return. However, I for one, hope you stay because I have enjoyed reading some of your posts immensely.

Posted by Richard on August 4, 2003 8:35 PM

the teens choice awards is coming on tomorrow and kobe and vanessa are going to be there. have you guys seen the bracelets they have on. "Ilove Kobe" is what is on Vanessa's bracelet right along with that diamond on oher finger and "I love Vanessa" on his bracelet. also what is the scoop on kobe call for medical help the day before he turned himself in. they won't give out much, have y'all heard anything?
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 5, 2003 1:12 PM

I'm guessing Vanessa had a nervous breakdown after Kobe told her about what had happened. The paramedics were only at Kobe's home for about 20 minutes, so I'm guessing it was something minor like a nervous breakdown.

And I think those bracelets are cheesy. It's like they are trying to convince the public about how in love they are. I don't really buy it. I still think they married too early, weren't ready, and only tied the knot because Vanessa's grandfather was upset that his granddaughter had had sex before she turned 18. I think he would have gotten Kobe in serious trouble if they didn't get married right then. I don't think they are in love, regardless of whether or not Kobe is a rapist.

Posted by Richard on August 5, 2003 7:00 PM

Any idea about what Kidd's been up to lately? Is he in NJ or on vacation?

Posted by Anonymous on August 5, 2003 7:03 PM

i'm not for sure but i think he is in lake taho on some golf thing. or maybe not. he has been pretty lowkey lately. probably practicing with the guys to up their game a little.
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 6, 2003 11:04 AM

kobe's hearing is today and i read that he is free on a $25,000 bond. if you want to read it the website is
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/6465808.htm
i hope i got my facts straight this time!!!
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 6, 2003 1:21 PM

that's old news mimi but nice try

Posted by Anonymous on August 6, 2003 1:53 PM

Kobe needs to stop with the whole "I love Vanessa" thing. He ruined that theory and image when he got caught. Thats why his dad stopped talking to him because he wanted Kobe to live life a little b4 commiting to something like marraige. He should be thinking "man I should have listened to my dad", instead of still trying to prove how in love he is with his wife. What he needs to do is what Jason did and go to counseling. He needs to quit trying to make everyone think he is so sincere and devoted and get help with his problem. It's like he's constantly trying to prove that he can make it work and be the perfect guy. Who cares what people think. I mean yes he does have a responsibility to present himself in an appropriate manner publicly due to the fact a lot of kids and people do look up to him. Just be human man. It's making him look silly the deeper he gets. He needs to figure out why he cheated in the first place (being that he was supposed to be sooo devoted and telling other women they didn't have a chance, leave him alone). He can talk all he wants, but his actions show he should have waited to get married, like his dad said. The more he runs from this issue, the worse it will be. You can't cover it up with gifts and going on TV with your fake tears and saying sorry. I'm sorry personally I thought that was so fake. It would make him look like more of a man if he just chilled on all the talk and show what he really means.

Posted by mb on August 6, 2003 6:12 PM

I agree. The little fake cry was ridiculous. Kobe cried more when the Lakers got eliminated from the playoffs. And the ring is even more ridiculous. Any cheating husband who thinks his wife will forgive him because he buys her expensive gifts is messed up. And any wife who excepts such a gift is equally messed up. I don't think Kobe loves Vanessa. But at this point, they can't really divorce because it is going to make Kobe look worse than he already looks.

Posted by Richard on August 7, 2003 12:05 AM

did anyone ever ask Joumana why she dumped her longtime boyfriend, Sheldon Merritt, "boo"......I'll take one guess........money

Posted by bigbootieho on August 7, 2003 3:17 AM

bigbootieho, you know Joumana? Who's Sheldon Merritt? Details please.

Posted by Anonymous on August 7, 2003 11:19 AM

That kid on the San Francisco Bay Area study staff? Not all college relationships are meant to last.

Posted by Frank on August 7, 2003 11:25 AM

Anonymous didn't you say you lived a couple blocks away from the kids, or is that someone else that said that?

Posted by mimi on August 7, 2003 1:14 PM

Yes I've known Joumana for a long time. She dated Sheldon whose nickname is "Boo" for a few years. He has her name tatooed on his chest.She dumped him for Jason, told him that Jason could provide a better future for her.

Posted by bigbootieho on August 7, 2003 2:29 PM

well bigbootieho she wasn't wrong when she told "boo" that you know. Jason is on top and where is boo now?
Don't hate her for thinking of her future.

Posted by Anonymous on August 7, 2003 5:53 PM

I'm not surprised by that. The reason she left that guy for Jason is cause she's a gold digger.

Posted by Shawn on August 7, 2003 7:00 PM

What does this Sheldon boy look like? White? Black? Fat? Thin? Tall? Short? Maybe Kidd is just better looking.

Oh yeah, anyone who tatooes his girlfriend's name on his chest needs help. They must have been pretty serious, huh?

bigbootieho, did you go to school with Joumana? Were you two friends? You know any other info about her? She fascinates me and I wish I knew more about her past.

I don't know about Joumana being a gold digger. I think she would have left Kidd a long time ago if she was only out for the money. She doesn't need Jason anymore if she only cares about the money. She also supposedly got a job on a talk show, so she really doesn't need Kidd anymore. She's got all the money in the world and her dream job, so if she only wanted Kidd for that, then I guess she would have gotten rid of him by now. Then again, I don't know her personally, so I don't know what she is like in real life and what her motives are.

And maybe saying that Jason could provide a better future for her was just a really good excuse to break up with this Sheldon guy. I mean, he can't really take that too personally, it's not like she insulted him or anything. I think that's an easy way to break up with someone.

Posted by Anonymous on August 7, 2003 11:02 PM

I kinda agree with that. Instead of pointing out the guy's faults or saying that you found someone better, you just say that the other person is gonna make a ton of money.

Posted by jessica on August 7, 2003 11:11 PM

Haha, Sheldon is a dorky name. Maybe he was too dorky for Joumana? haha. I picture a nerd with a pocket protector when I hear that name. And what's with the boo nickname?

Posted by Richard on August 7, 2003 11:24 PM

He is far from dorky, he is 6'4 black man with green eyes, extremly attractive. He is a substance control counsler, for teens. He works for the state of California and lives in Berkley.

Posted by Anonymous on August 8, 2003 2:13 AM

Well maybe NOW she doesn't need to depend on Jason anymore financially. But I could bet she wasn't this wealthy or well known BEFORE she met him. Plus if someone says there leaving their longtime boyfriend for someone who has more money, that sounds a little bit skanless to me. And that goes for everyone, not just Joumana. But maybe she left Sheldon for some other reason, who knows.

Posted by Shawn on August 8, 2003 3:21 AM

6'4 black man with green eyes? That sounds like Jason.

Posted by Anonymous on August 8, 2003 11:24 AM

are there any pictures of this sheldon guy? and don't give the girl such a hard time.

Posted by mimi on August 9, 2003 2:12 PM

I agree with both sides. Men leave women all the time for selfish, f-ed up reasons, so Joumana just did what some men have already done and will keep doing.
It doesnt suprise me IF Joumana left to be with a baller like Jason. It wasn't like she was with Sheldon or whomever exclusively b4 she married Jason anyway, she was so called "seeing" (if you know what I mean) other people anyway. She is about her paper. I say "go girl", just keep it real.

Posted by mb on August 9, 2003 7:12 PM

I wanna know more about Sheldon and Joumana. Bigbootieho, tell us more.

Posted by Anonymous on August 9, 2003 8:45 PM

If Joumana didn't love Jason when she married him, then why in the hell is she still with him? He treated her like crap until 2001. She woulda left him if she didn't love him. She would still be rich without him.

Posted by Anonymous on August 9, 2003 8:48 PM

Kenyon Martin once wanted a contract extension from the New Jersey Nets.

Now he just wants out.

Martin has broken off contract talks with the Nets and has asked for a trade, reports ESPN.com's David Aldridge.

Martin, who has one year remaining on his Nets contract, reportedly was seeking a six-year extension worth approximately $87 million, but Aldridge reports the Nets have offered him roughly $66 million.

Martin is not eligible for a new contract until July 2004. He is scheduled to make $5.1 million this season.

Martin produced the best numbers of his three-year career last season, averaging 16.7 points and 8.3 rebounds per game. He increased his averages to 18.9 points and 9.4 rebounds during the playoffs when the Nets reached the NBA Finals for a second consecutive season.

Posted by Anonymous on August 11, 2003 11:29 AM

CAN YOU BELIEVE KMART? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH HIM?

Posted by Anonymous on August 11, 2003 11:31 AM

if kenyon really liked Kidd and NJ, he wouldnt be so damn greedy. there's already a trade rumor
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=1593250

that would be a horrible trade for NJ

Posted by Anonymous on August 11, 2003 11:37 AM

I as a NETS fan am extremely upset by this but I can tell you one thing.... KMart is going to really regret saying all that crap. How on earth is he going to diss Kidd like that... Hell one of the things that Kidd stressed before resigning with the NETS was "team". Jason said that one of the reasons he was staying was because he believed in the team that NJ built and wanted to try to win a championship not only for himself and for NJ fans but for the team's effort. For all the changes and hard times they had to go through in order to get up to where we are. How can KMart forget how much he means to all of us (Fans and the team). And all for what more money??? Come on, what happens if he gets hurt and then can't play.. It's happened to him already so it's not like it's something that won't happen. I just can't believe he has no regards to what he's doing. After all, Jason made that one of his demands to resign with the NETS >>> Kenyon's contract had to be extended. Point blank, Kidd said if he's not here either will I. >>> Has Kenyon forgot what his friend did for him. Kidd could have easily gone to play with Duncan and be made dynamic duo and made more money due to the fact that he got not taxes charged if he signed on with the SPURS. But nooooooooooooo he stayed here because he wanted to help his team finish what they started. That's right I said "TEAM". How dare Kmart take that for granted. I am so pissed it's not funny! I hate Kmart right now and I'm sorry about going on and on about it but I need to express my emotions.
Thank you all for listening.

PS note to KMART... Listen you greedy bastard if you go remember you gave up everything that was good in your rotten life...

Okay I feel better now.

Posted by kidd fan on August 11, 2003 11:53 AM

I totally understand how you feel kidd fan...I mean I was just as stunned and upset when the news broke out...I could have sworn K-mart said in one of his interviews before that he doesn't need to get the maximum in order for him to re-sign with the nets, and now he's just eating his own words up...

...But I'm trying to look at things a little differently now. Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson both have stated that they haven't heard anything from K-mart about demanding a trade, nor do they believe that it's true... I do believe these guys becuase they're the ones that talk to and hang out with Kenyon...

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/11/sports/basketball/11bask.html

I really don't want to see Kenyon leave...especially in exchange for Rasheed Wallace and Ruben Paterson/Arvydas Sabonis...It will just mess up the great team chemistry that the NETS have...and Wallace will probably play less due to whatever suspensions he will have (marijuana, ejections,etc...)espcially if he lives near the NYC area...

I love the way Kenyon plays..he plays with a great amount of energy and he ignites both his team and the crowd..It's obvious that he's a big part of the puzzle and I would like to see him develop and become the player that he is capable of...I believe that if he continues to work on his game, develop his shot..he will put up better numbers and will be an all-star in the upcoming season.

PS. Kidd probably had a very nice vacation somewhere nice, sunny, and beachy....he's sporting a tan...especially on his face: http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/nets.htm

Posted by Jennifer on August 11, 2003 10:30 PM

If any of you guys are interested in watching Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson play during the FIBA Americas Men's Olympic Qualifying Tournament, you can check out the schedule here: http://www.usabasketball.com/seniormen/03_molyq_results.html

I think you can catch an exhibition game this Friday, August 15; USA Basketball vs. Puerto Rico if you have MSG or NBA TV: http://www.nba.com/nba_tv/msg_nba_tv_030805.html

Posted by Jennifer on August 11, 2003 10:49 PM

Where is everyone in here? I use to post and read on this message board all the time but lately it's been kind of lame in here.
Where did all the comments go to?

Posted by meg on August 12, 2003 12:28 PM

just another case of a player being greedy for money. but i think KMart is extremelty talented and has enough talent to be a star someday. if they trade him, who could they trade him for?

Posted by Anonymous on August 12, 2003 1:32 PM

Ya I heard about Kenyon last night on Sportsnet..he wants outta New Jersey because he don't think that they are offering him enough..now I ain't doggin' Kenyon..he is a great athlete and has lots of skills but he's just being greedy..but I guess it don't matter to him where he plays..as long as he gets enough green!

Posted by Lisa on August 12, 2003 2:02 PM

I read somewhere that TJ Kidd had his own section of a NJ newspaper called "T.J. Watch." It would describe what he did during the Nets games. Anybody have any idea on what newspaper that was?

Posted by Maria on August 13, 2003 3:38 AM

NJ Star Ledger

Posted by Nobody on August 13, 2003 9:35 AM

NJ Star Ledger

Posted by Nobody on August 13, 2003 9:35 AM

HEY GUYS! i'm back , i know it is early in the morning but i nned something to do besides sit here in this cubicle and do nothing. So update me on some things.

Posted by mimi on August 13, 2003 11:14 AM

MIMI there's nothing to update you on.. Everyone in here fell asleep and aint talking no mo.

This place is boring as hell now...

Posted by LiLmE on August 13, 2003 12:22 PM

I know this has nothing to do in this forum but all I hear on the damn radio and on the news is how Ben cheated on Jennifer and they are now splitting up.

Does anyone care? Or do you think that the media should find something better to talk about. I'm getting sick of it already..

I hope Ben does dump her big ass and kicks her to the curb. She's always saying she's the same ol jenny from the block but fame has gotten to her big head. Not to mention her big ass. All of the sudden now she's getting her ass airbrushed to look smaller and her boobs to look bigger.

Posted by Benlover on August 13, 2003 12:29 PM

It's the offseason, so there's really nothing much to talk about. Especially since Jason already made up his mind and re-signed with the Nets, but that's old news now. We just gotta wait and see what goes on with K-Mart

Posted by Shawn on August 13, 2003 7:15 PM

I wanna know about Sheldon Merritt. Age? Hometown?Facial features? Athlete? Yes, no? Do you know anything?

Posted by Anonymous on August 13, 2003 10:55 PM

I think Kenyon is being greedy. I don't think the ONLY reason Jason stayed in Jersey was for the team, I think his family weighed a lot in his decision. Kenyon will learn his lesson the hard way. Money is important to him right now, which he will regret later when all he will want is a ring. He has a chance as getting a ring but he's after the money right now. DUMB ASS.

Posted by mb on August 14, 2003 3:05 AM

I totally agree with MB. Kmart is really being a dumb ass. I can't believe the he's getting so big headed. Who blow the smoke up his ass?

Posted by JaYsOn on August 14, 2003 11:59 AM

I don't really think Kenyon cares about the extra $20 million or so, I think it's the respect factor that's bothering him the most. He has an ego. He sees guys like Jermaine O'Neal (who Kenyon demolished last season) getting max contracts, so he thinks he deserves to get maxed out too. I can understand where Martin is coming from. It's hard to tell a guy that he's going to be paid less than guys that aren't nearly as good as him. You feel less wanted, less needed, and less important. But I think that if Kenyon has another good season, he will get that max contract next year.

Posted by Richard on August 14, 2003 1:27 PM

there is really nothing we can do to change his mind about leaving like mb said he'll have to learn his lesson the hard way, and when he does it will really be a pain in the ass for him. he'll be thinking of should've, could've and would've if he leaves the team. why leave something that you put so much into, and trie so hard to help build. and look at reputation he got from being on the nets. why is money always a big factor in basketball,? most basketball players only care about the big houses, nice cars, fine jewlery, and money chasing hoes they sleep with. i don't know what he is going to do, but i hope he makes the right choice. after all how hard is it to stick with the nets a few more years, they are the top team in the east?

mimi

Posted by mimi on August 14, 2003 1:31 PM

Jason Kidd rocks! Where can I find pictures of J Kidd with his family (especially little TJ, he's adorable)? Thanks.

Posted by Alexis on August 14, 2003 9:38 PM

Hey Alexis...here's a link:

http://groups.msn.com/AllAboutJasonKidd/shoebox.msnw

I think I got this link from this message board...so whoever I got this from thanks...

Posted by Jennifer on August 14, 2003 10:37 PM

Thanks Jennifer for the link. It's a cool site.

Posted by Alexis on August 15, 2003 1:11 AM

welcome alexis, to the place of bordom.

Posted by Anonymous on August 15, 2003 10:07 AM

welcome alexis, to the place of bordom.

Posted by Anonymous on August 15, 2003 10:07 AM

hey are you guys up yet?
i guess i'll try back later bye

Posted by mimi on August 15, 2003 1:31 PM

TJ adorable? Give me a break! That kid is weird, creepy and annoying. His head is fuckin' HHHUUUGGGEE! Joumana is pretty ugly herself. Her face looks like a chipmunk and she has a mustache! Don't get me started on the twins. They also have huge heads. Lets face it, the kids are a bunch of mongoloids. One word...RETARDED!

Jason Kidd, that poor bastard, has a fucked up family! Run Jason run!

Posted by Mike on August 15, 2003 11:27 PM

Dang Mike, that was cold. I guess that's your opinion. You know what though I used to think Joumana was a cute girl, but the last couple times I saw her on extra she didn't look cute. She f--ked her nose up when she started snipping on it, she should have left it alone. Her eyes are funny looking also. I'm sorry, Grant Hill has the prettiest wife (I've seen) in the NBA. GO TAMIA. Can anyone say, I just had a child and my body is tighter than before I had my child? That's my girl, I'm sorry but she run's circles around Joumana. Tamia is natural, unlike Joumana.

Posted by mb on August 16, 2003 5:20 AM

I wanted to stir this place up a little. Plus, I meant it.

Posted by Mike on August 16, 2003 2:49 PM

Mike, have you seen Joumana lately? She is far from ugly.

Posted by Anonymous on August 16, 2003 6:20 PM

Those comments are uncalled for Mike. Well I think KMart will have a lot of thinking to do after this weekend. He just finished getting married in Las Vegas to the mother of his little baby girl. Maybe now he'll start thinking about his family before anything else. Plus I think what the Nets officials are doing is the correct thing. They haven't offered more because his contract expires after this up coming season. Once he's a free agent all the NETS have to do is top the highest bidder for KMART. If they offer him all the money now then where do you draw the line. Some of the top players now a days make way too much money for the little they produce. I think KMART just has to play it smart and play like there is no tomorrow. This way everyone will want him when he becomes a free agent. That in turn will be turned into mad money, crazy money. Be smart KMART play it cool and smart.

Posted by JaYsOn on August 17, 2003 8:53 AM

Mike there is a fine line between being opinionated and being just plain flat out rude. if you think the Kidd family is "fucked up" that's fine, but you don't have to be disrespectful about it. there was no need to go all out and bad mouth the family. and how is t.j. annoying? that innocent,little boy has done nothing wrong to no one and for you to say the things you said about him was just wrong. i hope those words felt real good rolling off of your tounge because one day you are going to have to eat them, and by that i mean some is going to diss you(probably in your face) and your family in the same disrespectful manor. I hope y'all can forgive me for coming off so hard, but people should really think before they speak (or type).
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 18, 2003 1:32 PM

I agree with Mimi.....and i dont think that joumana got stuff done with her nose because if she were to dont you think she would have a perfect nose?right now her nose isnt perfect...but she is still very pretty

Posted by Anonymous on August 18, 2003 10:58 PM

Her nose looks pretty perfect to me. There aren't any bumps or anything. It looks like it has a perfect curve.

Posted by Anonymous on August 19, 2003 2:02 AM

This is off topic but did any of ya'll get hit with that Blackout last Thursday? I know some of ya'll live in New York and New Jersey, so I was just wondering if ya'll got hit with that blackout.

Posted by Shawn on August 19, 2003 3:09 AM

I was. Lights went out for about 1/2 hours at 4pm on Thursday then came back on just to turn off for about 3 hours. I live in NJ (Hudson county) but the town next to me was in the dark all night until Friday morning. It was hard. Plus you turn on the TV and you see all those people lined up to try to get out of Manhattan into NJ by Ferry. There were about 25,000 people and only 3 ferries. The ferry services stopped at about midnight so the 15 thousand or so that didn't get a chance to get ont he ferries slept in the middle of the street in Manhattan. You know that had to be strange and odd. I felt sorry for those poor people plus all the ones stuck in the subways.
Wow what a weekend!

Posted by JaYsOn on August 19, 2003 11:40 AM

I think she has done something to her nose. I thought I remembered it looking wider in a couple of old pictures that I saw.

I don't think she's particularly good looking though. I don't see anything special about her looks.

Posted by Nobody on August 19, 2003 11:52 AM

The USA Men's National Team Quote Board
August 15, 2003
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Where were you when the lights went out? That seems to be the question du jour. Members of the USA Basketball Men's Senior National Team were posed that question following practice on Friday afternoon. A practice that shouldn't have been. The players, in town to train and play in an exhibition game against Puerto Rico, were scheduled for a morning shoot-around followed by a 7 pm tip-off tonight. However, with half of Manhattan still without power, the game was switched to Sunday at noon. The power outage didn't seem to phase the U.S. squad much, they all took it in stride. After all, what else can you do?
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VINCE CARTER, Toronto Raptors
"I didn't do anything. I sat on the curb in front of the hotel. I sat in the lobby for about four hours. And I tried to use everybody's phone in the building because mine weren't working. I have two of them and neither one was working.

"I've never experienced something like this for that long. In Florida we have a lot of storms that knocks out power, but never as long as this."

TIM DUNCAN, San Antonio Spurs
"I was in my room when the power went out. I ended up doing nothing, absolutely nothing. I was going to go to the (WNBA New York) Liberty game. Then that happened so I just hung around waiting for the lights to come on thinking, Ďthey'll come back on in a little while ... oh they'll be back in an hour.' So I ended up sitting there doing nothing."

JASON KIDD, New Jersey Nets
"We were away from everybody so we didn't know there was a blackout. We were playing golf and nobody could call us. We got in from the golf course at about 6:30 and the lights were out in the club house. They said that the electricity went out so we thought it was just out in that area. But we were told that it was everywhere, so we thought again just in the (New York) area, but then we found out that it went all the way up to Canada, out to Detroit, New Jersey. So I was praying I had electricity, but I got home and found out I was like everybody else - without electricity.

"We didn't get electricity until about 9:30 last night. We just sat outside, Quinn (Buckner), Ray (Allen) and I, we sat there talking, passing the time. Ray was doing card tricks. Finally the electricity went back on. We were able to cook some hot dogs on the gas grill, so we had hot dogs and lots of water."

JERMAINE O'NEAL, Indiana Pacers
"I just got finished getting my hair done (braided). I would have been awfully mad if I couldn't get it finished because I blow dry it and everything, but I just got finished getting it done. Then we sat in the lobby for about nine hours eating pickles for dinner, eating cookies for dinner. I really haven't had a real meal since about 2:00 yesterday. I just hung out at the hotel, with the power off the streets seemed kind of crazy so we didn't really want to go anywhere. We were looking out of the window and it was like a movie, there were so many people walking. It was definitely a different experience. It was an experience you learn from and deal with, but hopefully it won't happen again."

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Posted by Anonymous on August 19, 2003 1:10 PM

I agree with nobody.. I read it before that she had a nose job. But anyway she's not beautiful she's cute. There are some facial expressions that make her cuter but beautiful she's not.

Posted by Anonymous on August 19, 2003 1:12 PM

Jermaine O'Neal blow drying his hair? sounds a little feminine. and whether Joumana had a nose job or not she is still pretty to me.

Posted by mimi on August 19, 2003 1:33 PM

Joumana is beautiful. Damn, you are all just jealous.

Posted by Anonymous on August 20, 2003 12:13 AM

Jealous?

No, it's called having an opinion. I don't see Joumana as anything to rave about. Does that mean I'm "jealous?" No, it just means that I don't think she's "beautiful." If apples are my favorite fruit, does that mean I'm jealous of oranges and bananas?

All opinions don't stem from jealousy. It's called a personal preference, and personally, I don't think she's that good-looking.

Posted by Nobody on August 21, 2003 10:09 AM

O.K. can we please move on to another subject. Whatever Joumana wants to do with her body is her business. if she wants a better looking nose, and has the money to do it that is up to her. So, anything about Kenyon yet?

Posted by mimi on August 21, 2003 1:19 PM

So Nobody, could you explain why you don't find her good-looking? Is there something about her that irritates you when you look at her? Do you prefer a woman with a different ethnicity? Just curious.

Posted by Anonymous on August 21, 2003 7:12 PM

Mb, you know about Joumana's plastic surgery, don't you?

Posted by Anonymous on August 21, 2003 7:13 PM

It doesn't matter what ethnicity Joumana is, she's simply not hot. If a girl is hot whether white, brown, black or etc., she's hot. But Joumana is not. I don't know why it is so hard for some of you to read that. Has anyone seen her on Extra lately? She looks like a mess! Yikes!! I agree with mb Tamia is pretty sexy.

Posted by Anonymous on August 22, 2003 12:52 AM

What do you mean by a mess? Is it the hair? Makeup? Eyes? Anything in particular?

Posted by Anonymous on August 22, 2003 12:57 AM

I think its a combination of everything. Having to juggle kids, husband and a career can be a strain on anyone. No one is a superwoman so if she looks a little tired and worn out it doesn't me she's not sexy anymore. She looks more like a mom now so she no longer fits the whole "sexy" image. But she still is a very attractive woman I think.. But that's just my opinion.. As for Kenyon, he was asked to play on the USA Team and now all is quiet. I think he's trying to keep everything cool for now.

Posted by Anonymous on August 22, 2003 12:03 PM

can we PLEASE move on to something else? has anybody seen pictures of the twins lately, or what is the latest on t.j.'s newspaper section? I haven't heard much because I'm in Wichita,Kansas right now. and has anyone found out Jason's address yet? because Katrina claimed she lived around the corner from him but she never gave out the address. that is probably the reason she stopped typing here because she knew she was lying.
I'll holla at y'all later Peace
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 22, 2003 5:11 PM

We can talk about what we want. We don't have to move on if we don't want to. I think Joumana still tries to dress sexy, though.

And the TJ section of the newspaper only comes around playoff time.

Posted by Anonymous on August 22, 2003 7:06 PM

To answer the question, it's not being irritated or preferring a different ethnicity. It just comes down to not finding her good looking at all. Everyone finds some people more attractive than others. Joumana just does nothing for me.

Posted by Nobody on August 24, 2003 9:20 AM

Nobody, I am curious. What makes a woman attractive to you?

Posted by Anonymous on August 24, 2003 9:44 PM

It differs, and there isn't one particular type. In terms of just being attracted to someone, there's usually something there that pulls me in whether it's a gorgeous face, a charming laugh, great eyes, a good body, or a ton of confidence.

There's just nothing about Joumana that pulls me in.

Posted by Nobody on August 25, 2003 11:48 AM

there is no need to get smart.
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 25, 2003 4:11 PM

Yes Joumana has had a nose job. She admitted it herself because she was trying to get into the news correspondent businness and she was told her nose was a little big (per candygirl). I know for a fact due to I used to see her out in Oakland all the time and her nose was definitely bigger, which I personally think looked better. Her nose looks too mousy now and it wrinkles on the side when she smiles. She used to look more unique b4.
Mimi I'm sorry, I don't always agree or think what some people say is right, however, it is personal opinions. Who's to say what you think is cool to someone else even if it is positive to others? You are trying to take control of what people think and saying because it is negative they shouldn't post or to be careful. That's not cool. It's called freedom of speech. That's what makes this country special. How would you like it if someone tried to take your freedom to say what's on your mind away?
I've said it b4 and I will say it again. I feel the people who try to stop people from posting what is their personal opinion should stop posting themselves.
I'm sorry but Joumana is not all that, and I know a lot of people who feel the same. I'm not jealous of Joumana either for people who might think that also. I will give a female her props and Joumana is cute but not all that. She is also now manufactured with the nose and booby job. Hell I am beautiful without all the work. I'm sure if I had the money and resources to hire a trainer my body would be even tighter.
I think it was Frank (I'm not positive) who said Jason has the finest wife in the NBA and I still say Tamia is much prettier than Joumana, naturally. Her body is way tighter also and her boobs are REAL!
Just my opinion and I don't care who tries to clown me for it!
Peace Out Westside!

Posted by mb on August 26, 2003 3:02 AM

How do you know who's boobs are real or fake? Now, Joumana's boobs definitely look fake, but how do you know what work Tamia has done to her? No one really knows what is natural on people and what isn't. I don't recall Joumana admitting to anyone about a nose job. (Even though you can definitely tell she has had one.) They are both beautiful, but who knows if Tamia really is all natural.

Posted by Anonymous on August 26, 2003 2:18 PM

Mimi, her name is Karina and she stopped posting because she's not in the US right now. She does live not around the corner but 2 towns over from where Jason Kidd lives. She game me and Jose and another girl named Kim the address for his house except I think it may have been Jose who went out an published it. Reason I know is because Jose and I went to her house and she took us there. She's a really nice woman and she even got Jason to sign our Jersey's for us. Too bad you people harp on her so much.

Posted by Becky on August 26, 2003 2:25 PM

Hey Beth I didn't do that.... It must of been someone else I never told anyone about his house.

Anyway, hell have you all heard that the Nets may be moving to Brooklyn. what the hell are we gonna do?

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-4/106187620220730.xml

Posted by Jose on August 26, 2003 3:24 PM

Damn............ image if the Nets leave the swamps..

Posted by JaYsOn on August 26, 2003 4:19 PM

Hey! I was just wondering if anyone knows if Jim Jackson from the Sacramento Kings has kids? If you have pictures of him & his wife, could you post the link? Also, whats the deal with JKidd & Jim Jackson feuding?
Thanks!

Posted by Enigma05 on August 27, 2003 7:17 PM

I'm not trying to control anybody, I not god, and I don't pretend to be. People don't have a freedom of speech and you know it. It's just things that people say things that aren't nice, and i know the world isn't all nice, but if some one hasn't done anything to you and you just start dissin' 'em for no reason that is rude. For an example, Jose and JaYsOn are having a conversation, and I just jump in and star cussin' Jose for no reason. Wouldn't you think that would be rude? and i'm sure you would probably tell me how rude i am and blah, blah, blah. My point is it's not that i'm controling what people are saying, it's me coming to the defense of an innocent person.
mimi

Posted by mimi on August 28, 2003 9:24 PM

Someone saying that they don't think Joumana is cute is not the same as jumping in a conversation and cursing someone out.

Offering an opinion on someone's looks is something that everyone has the right to do and the right to express. Just because it's not the opinion that you hold, that doesn't mean people have to change the subject just because you want to. No matter how much you disagree or think it's unfair, people can say that they think Joumana is ugly. They can say that her implants look too round, and they can say that they think she got a nose job. You don't have to like it, and you can play "Thought Police" all you want to and keep saying "Let's change the subject," but it's still a topic that people have the right to talk about.

You just have the option not to participate.

Posted by Nobody on August 29, 2003 8:28 AM

Joumana's boobs are too round. And I think her nose is a little too skinny. But she is still one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Gorgeous. Did anyone watch Game 2 of the Finals this year when they repeatedly showed close ups of her towards the end of the game? She was so beautiful I almost fainted. A couple of times that I saw her on Extra she didn't look all that good, but wow, when they get close up, you can see just how beautiful she is. And she's even better looking in person. Stunning. Oh man, I wish I was Jason Kidd. Tamia does nothing for me. I don't like her hair and her eyes seem oddly shaped to me.

Posted by Anonymous on August 29, 2003 11:24 PM

Karina never gave away Kidd's address again after a couple people because she didn't want to get in trouble by her employer, which is ridiculous. It is very easy to get his address, especially if you live in NJ. And Karina "left" (I wouldn't be surprised if she was still lurking and/or posting under alternate names)because she was caught lying and was apparently too embarrassed/ashamed to admit she lied. She claimed she hadn't written something a few months ago, yet when you scrolled back up to the top to read the message, her email address was there for all to see. Yet Karina continued to ignore the subject and claim she didn't do it. She seems very nice, but she definitely lost all credibility there. Now if she is not willing to admit it, then fine, I don't care, that's her business, but it just caused me to question some of the other comments that she has made. The point is, don't listen to everything she says because it may not be true. Don't let her fool you when she talks about Kidd.

Posted by Anonymous on August 29, 2003 11:37 PM

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Posted by Nyla on September 3, 2003 12:27 PM

Nyla your on the wrong forum
Anyway mimi, you tell people lets change the subject whether they are cussing people out or not. And the people your defending aren't innocent, they are human. You can also look at Tamia when she first started her stuff looks exactly the same except she is much more toned now. Her boobs arent round are hard looking. She might have had work done but I doubt it. I have seen her in person at the All Star game and she is absolutely gorgeous. Everyone has their person preference (men) for women and everyone has their personal opinion about them (women), and as a woman I think Joumana ain't got sh*@! on Tamia, sorry. I don't know what you mean by her eyes are oddly shaped, I think you are getting her mixed up with Joumana or Brandy. Tamias eyes are pretty. Thats just my opinion.

Posted by mb on September 3, 2003 9:16 PM

I just think her eyes are a little strange. I don't really like Joumana's eyes either, but they just seem a little better proportioned.

Posted by Anonymous on September 4, 2003 2:19 PM

Anonymous, you seem to know a lot about Jason and Joumana,I am a big fan of Jason Kidd and would like to no more about him off the court,especially the "baby-mama" drama,if you could email me that would appreciated!

Posted by nubianz on September 4, 2003 5:23 PM

When Jason Kidd played for the Dallas Mavericks his rookie season he did acknowledge his first son, during an interview ,he seem to be as crazy about jason Jr. back then as he is about T.J. know,so the fallout between him and his "baby-mama", must have happened after that,he even talked about how much the baby looked like him!

Posted by D.D. on September 5, 2003 12:05 AM

Is that so, DD? Was that interview on TV? He may have just been saying those things, to make himself look good. He does that frequently nowadays. I've been searching online, looking at newspaper/magazine articles from around 1994 to see if I could find where Jason ever acknowledged his son. I couldn't find anything. All I found is when Jason threatened to try to get physical custody of Jason Jr when Alexandria was asking for more money or something like that. He thought she was taking advantage of him because he was about to get rich in the NBA. That article was from 1994, when Jason was with the Mavericks. I'm wondering if an arrangement with the boy's mother could have been made in such a short time if Jason really did want physical custody. And what, did they have an infant flying from San Francisco to Dallas? That would have been insane. Why do I doubt that Jason ever saw his first son enough to develop a close relationship with him? I think he just was trying to keep a good image and lied to the media, telling them that he was a good father and blah, blah.

And Nubianz, the whole thing about Kidd's first son can be seen if you scroll back up to around May.

And haha, I really don't know that much about Kidd's personal life. Ok, maybe I do. But the thing is, Jason lies/makes up so much stuff to make him and his family look good in front of the media that i don't know what to believe anymore. The papers say he refused to show up for a blood test to determine if he was Jason Jr's father in 1994. But Jason swore that he voluntarily took the blood test. The papers say Jason knew the crackheads that were in his car when he crashed it in 1994. Kidd at first said they were friends, and then he changed it to acquaintances to cover his butt when it leaked out that those guys were major trouble. He claimed he didn't know Jason Jr's mother and he and his mother both claimed that it was a one-night stand. However, Alexandria picked him up and saved his butt during his hit and run accident, so they obviously knew eachother, and therefore, it wasn't a one-night stand. Also, Alexandria worked where Jason's father did, so of course they knew each other. Then when talking to the media, Kidd again pretended that he couldn't remember Alexandria's last name when she was at the same club as him or something. He kept saying he didn't know her. It's ridiculous. I still can't tell what to believe when it comes to Kidd. The recent affair story seemed to die down, but who knows what really happened, if anything. I don't think he would do that, but I say that only because I think he is much more mature now. His wife wouldn't be with him anymore if he wasn't better. She woulda left his ass and taken his millions a long time ago when they were still in Phoenix. I have heard a million different Jimmy Jackson/Kidd rumors. Some involve Toni Braxton, some don't. Kidd swore he never fought with Jackson over Toni, but who knows. I am almost positive that Toni and Kidd never met, but were they planning to meet, it could be. I've heard of Jason flirting with Jimmy's girlfriend, getting him pissed. But Jason swares that the tension between the two was because Jimmy was a ball hog. Again, what to believe. Jason supposedly got engaged to some girl in Dallas, some girl he barely knew, and then cheated on her with another girl, who was rumored to have been pregnant thanks to Kidd. (I am doubting this, because we would have heard more about this.) I've heard that Jimmy told Mavericks management that Kidd got a girl pregnant, and that this pissed off Kidd. I doubt this story though.

Then there was Jason's car accident in December of 1996. Then he sits out some neck soreness and swares it was from basketball, not his accident. Yeah right.

Jason's had other run ins with the law, like when he allegedly, drunkenly punched Tameka Tate in the face and/or chest at his 21st birthday party. He claimed this never happened and that she was just trying to steal his money. Could be true, but who knows. Their stories were both VERY conflicting and I think they were just play fighting and Tameka tried to turn it into something bigger.

Jason's past has not been good, but since he got married, and especially since he was arrested for domestic abuse, he has been in absolutely no trouble and genuinely seems like a good guy now. I guess his wife straightened him out. And I'm sure having kids with Joumana made him want to be a better person. It's nice to be able to call him one of the good guys in the NBA now.

The whole Jason Jr thing. Who knows. There may be more to that story than any of us know. Only Jason knows and I don't think he wants it to be any of our business, so that he can keep a nice image in front of the general public.

Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2003 2:30 AM

that was very interesting. thanks good way to start my morning.

Posted by mimi on September 6, 2003 9:27 AM

The interview that Jason Kidd did in which he acknowledged his first child was done with one of the local televison stations in Dallas.I can't give you an exact date,but it was his rookie season and I believe the child was about 2 yrs old at that time.

Posted by D.D. on September 7, 2003 2:16 AM

Robin Givens did an interview,and the person asked her what ball player she was dating,she was dating Jason Kidd at that time but she never admitted it. later after that broke up a rumor came out that she was dating Malik Sealy at the same time that she was dating Jason. Did anyone else hear about this? If so give me details.

Posted by D.D. on September 7, 2003 2:28 AM

Jason Kidd is not the first professional athlete to ever assault his wife, Warren Moon , Glen Robinson ,Dennis Rodman,Charles Barkley,O.J, and Even Scottie Pippen has assaulted one of his ex-girlfriends,so why is Jason catching more hell than all the rest,I guess because he is married to the Arab Barbie doll,she get's front page news.

Posted by D.D. on September 7, 2003 2:59 AM

D.D., you got interesting info. I never knew Jason dated Robin Givens. It seems like he has dated a MILLION women. I can only imagine how many of these poor girls he was dating at the same time. I hope he is a loyal husband now, for Joumana's sake.

Posted by Anonymous on September 7, 2003 11:26 PM

Anonymous, Deep down I think that Jason Kidd is a good guy who has made alot of mistakes,I think he seems like the type of person who lets other people put Ideas in his head instead of thinking for himself,he seems like he tries to do things to satisfy other people instead of
himself,he probably acted a certain way around his"boys" but when he got around Alexandria he was probably one of the sweetest guys you would ever meet.
And as for the paternity suit,like I said he probably let his " Boys" put Ideas in his head,and he acted out in the wrong way,and by the time it hit the media it was to late to take it back and he ended up hurting someone he might have cared about!
Do you think that if he could turn back time, it would
be Alexandria Kidd instead of Joumana Kidd?

p.s. I have never met this man before in my life,but this what i've come to believe from watching t.v., reading newspaper ads!

Yes he did date Robin Givens.

Posted by D.D. on September 8, 2003 12:06 AM

There was an article about Jason Jr. in the Arizona Republic when he first got traded to Phoenix specifically the February 16, 1997 issue. I know this for a fact because I actually have a print out of the article. In it it talked about how Jason would dote over Jason Jr in the clubhouse and Mr. Kidd himself talks about how he makes Jr sit on the couch with him and watch Tiger play.

Jason and Joumana got married on February 21st. I've barely read any articles where he even acknowledges his oldest child since then. The only ones I read say have a blip of "Jason has another son, Jason Jr." Nothing else. Jason Jr wasn't acknowledged on his father's website when it was up and running. Unless you're one of the people that followed Jason's throughout Cal and his career, you wouldn't even think the boy existed.

I find the "perfect family fairytale" that Jason and Joumana constantly put forth just comes off as overkill and forced. The family portrait just doesn't click for me: especially since the ENTIRE family isn't included in it.

Posted by Nobody on September 8, 2003 10:36 AM

Interesting. I would love to see that article about Jason and his oldest son.

Posted by Anonymous on September 8, 2003 11:07 AM

Eh, I don't think Jason liked Alexandria all that much. I don't think he really cared about her. It seems like they didn't even date, but just knew each other through Jason's father's work. In fact, he was really, really pissed at her when she kept trying to up the child support payments just because Jason was going to the NBA.

Posted by Anonymous on September 8, 2003 11:11 AM

Well if he didn't like alexandria that much he shouldnt have u know what, better yet got her pregnant. Yeah he was young and he has matured, so he needs to show it more by acknowledging his responsibilities, and thats all of them.

Posted by mb on September 8, 2003 5:27 PM

I am a big fan of Jason's since he played for the Mavericks and I agree with you M.B. if your old enough to lay down and get that baby, you are old enough to take responsibility for that child,alot of people are saying that he was young, and irresponsible,but he knew the consequences when he laid down with this young lady! I just wish the child didn't have to suffer.

p.s. I don't know the story behind the whole custody situation,but if all you say is true i hope that Jason does come around and becomes the man i'm sure his parents raised him to be.

Posted by D.D. on September 9, 2003 2:12 AM

Can anyone tell me what Jason's father had to say about the situation.

Posted by D.D. on September 9, 2003 2:16 AM

It wasn't an article that specifically talked about Jason Jr, but it's one of the last ones I recall where Jason particularly spoke of him.

The article was called "Saint Or Sinner? Kidd's Tactics Aren't Always Prudent, But His Intentions Are Good."

Here's the only significant statements about Jason Jr.

"Just who, exactly is Jason Kidd? Is he the polite 23 year old who dotes over his 3-year-old son, Jason Jr., in the Suns' clubhouse?"

**
And here's the other part where he mentioned watching sports with his son.
**

"Kidd's new passion is golf, which he's trying to pass on to his son.

I've got him watching Tiger Woods," said Kidd, laughing. "I told him to watch Tiger, not me. I made hims it on the couch and watch with me. I don't think he was too happy about it."

Since this, I've barely read anything of significance where he mentions his oldest son.

I just find it insulting that if you're going to try to promote and present yourself as this great family and talk about your kids all the time, then talk about ALL of them.

The whole act just seems forced. I'm not buying it.

Posted by Nobody on September 9, 2003 9:49 AM

That is so sad. I never knew that Jason had spent time with his first son. Unless he was making it all up. And if it was true, then I bet Joumana stopped it.

Posted by Anonymous on September 9, 2003 2:40 PM

I don't know if Jason really did spend time with his first son or if this is a bunch of his made-up BS, but maybe Jason and Joumana both decided to stop the Jason Jr thing because they were about to start a family together. It's sad for Jason Jr, but I could see why it would be hard for Joumana and TJ. I've gone through an experience like that before. You feel like you and your kids that you share with your husband aren't good enough for him, so he needs to be with someone else. As much as you try to prevent it because you know it's for the good of the kid, you still feel a little jealous that instead of devoting all of his energy to you and your kids, your husband is with a kid who he had with some other woman. It's hard to be around a kid who your husband shares with someone else. You feel like YOU should share everything with your husband. It just makes you feel awful, even though it sucks for the kid. It's a really rough situation and you really wouldn't know how it feels until you experience it yourself, but hopefully they worked something out.

Posted by Anonymous on September 9, 2003 6:25 PM

She knew he had a son when she married him,when she said "i do" she was willing to accept Jason and the package that came along with him,which in his case was another child.if he were any kind of man,he would tell her that he loved her and their children but this is also my son and i'm not going to turn my back on him.
and if she couldn't accept it then oh! well!
and if she were anykind of woman, even though she may have felt a little threatned,she should still accept the child because this is her husband's child,It's not like he made this child while they were married,this child was already their when she got their.
p.s. this is one sad family!
nobody answered my previous question about jason's dad

Posted by D.D. on September 10, 2003 12:07 AM

I don't think Jason's father ever publically reacted to the situation. I am sure he was upset, though. But his parents couldn't really show Jason that they were mad because he easily could have shut them out of his life if he wanted to. So I think they just backed off and let Jason work it out on his own.

Posted by Anonymous on September 10, 2003 12:19 AM

I definitely agree with that D.D. It takes time to get used to it, though.

Jason was with Joumana by the time he played for Phoenix, so obviously she had accepted it then. Maybe a change of heart from both of them when she had TJ? That's sad, though. But you keep telling yourself to accept it, but it takes a while for you to feel okay about it. It takes a while to get used to another kid around. Does anyone know the status of the Jason/Jason Jr relationship? Anything going on? I'm guessing that Jason may go see Jr when he is in the Bay Area. This doesn't happen often, but Jason does seem to spend a couple weeks per summer there.

Posted by Anonymous on September 10, 2003 12:37 AM

Well I know Jason doesnt spend time with Jason Jr. He stopped that in Phoenix when Joumana had Jason Jr. I tried to tell y'all earlier a few months ago but you all didn't listen. Instead a few other people tried to say how untrue it was and so on and so on.
Joumana, whom I don't know personally, seems and from what I have been told from people who do know and used to hang out with her, is very insecure. She had T.J. real quick, ever since then Jason has been very focused on him and his children by Joumana. I think that is how Joumana wanted. Some women are jealous of the children by other women so they have their own to take the focus off of the ones that are getting attention. She has even made comments that show she is insecure. Like when she said she is definitely not looking forward to getting older and she is going to fight it. She got a nose job because some people told her her nose was a little big to be in broadcasting. I have even seen her out and she always has to be the center of attention, I mean she tries too hard and she really doesn't need to. I just think Jason is sad for letting a woman have him by the balls (no pun intended). He has always been that way though.

Posted by mb on September 11, 2003 4:24 AM

No matter how insecure Joumana is, TJ is always going to be Jason's SECOND child. He's always going to be his SECOND son. They can overlook it all they want to, but those are still the facts.

I noticed the time frame from when I heard about Jason Jr to when I didn't hear anything else about him, and it was after Jason and Joumana got married. If you didn't want to deal with being a stepmother, then you shouldn't have married a man that has children already, period.

I don't know any specifics or any particulars to WHY Jason doesn't mention his OLDEST child anymore, but if Joumana really did put a stop to it, then I find that highly immature and disrespectful. Any woman who stops a man from seeing his children just because they aren't by her, isn't really a woman and the man that agrees to that isn't a man.

I can't respect that, and that's just part of the reason why I don't buy this perfect family foolishness.

Posted by Nobody on September 11, 2003 9:07 AM

I agree 100% Nobody, you couldn't have said it any better. I have been saying that from the time I started posting. It's a shame that a woman can be so insecure where she doesn't even see past her own foolishness.
Sorry Mimi wherever you are

Posted by mb on September 11, 2003 12:51 PM

I also agree Nobody. Maybe they just don't mention Jason Jr publically anymore but there is stuff going on behind the scenes? Wishful thinking here, but, I mean, we have no clue what Jason really does on his off days and during the off-season. Could he have been in Cali this summer visiting Jason Jr? There just has to be some contact between the two. Jason seems too caring towards his children to not have something going on. Naturally the kid isn't going to get as much attention as the others because he doesn't live with Jason in NJ, so maybe for privacy issues and out of respect for the boy's mother, he isn't mentioned to the media? I mean, if Jason isn't speaking much time with his first son, he isn't really going to have anything to say about him, right? Or maybe Jason is just trying to make it look like he has a perfect family, but still behind the scenes sees Jason Jr? Again, just some positive thinking. I think you would have to know him personally to see what he does with his time away from basketball.

Posted by Anonymous on September 11, 2003 2:01 PM

spending, not speaking... sorry for the error

Posted by Anonymous on September 11, 2003 2:03 PM

And I don't think Joumana had TJ really quick or anything. They got married on February 21, 1997 and then had a very nice wedding on August 30th, 1997. TJ wasn't born until October 12, 1998. I don't see how that is rushing it or anything. It's not like she got pregnant before they got married or on their honeymoon or even 6 months after they got married or something like that.

Posted by Anonymous on September 11, 2003 2:09 PM

um, do any women really want to get older? I think we all try to prevent aging! I don't see Joumana being insecure, but if you say so, I'll take your word for it. How could a beautiful, rich, semi-famous woman, with a famous, handsome husband and three children be insecure? And are all women that want nose jobs insecure? If they were telling Joumana that she needed a smaller nose (gosh, they really say those things?!), and broadcasting was her dream, then I don't blame her. She had the money, so why not. And she never had a shortage of boyfriends, so where is this insecurity coming from? Damn, I just wish Jason would give us a Jason Jr update or something! But then again, that wouldn't be something to tell the media about.

Posted by jessica on September 11, 2003 2:17 PM

"How could a beautiful, rich, semi-famous woman, with a famous, handsome husband and three children be insecure?"

How?

No matter how beautiful someone is (Joumana doesn't fit that category for me personally), it's always possible for them to have that feeling of not being beautiful enough. No matter how rich someone is, they might still think that they aren't rich enough. No matter how blessed someone is, they might still think they they are constantly being done wrong.

All insecurities aren't created equal. They can stem from feeling like you're second. They can stem from feeling like you don't measure up. It's sort of like how a skinny girl thinks she isn't skinny enough. You and I might think she's gorgeous and really thin, but she might not see the same thing when she looks in the mirror.

Insecurities can come in whenever there's a thought that something isn't good enough, and that can happen no matter how good the situation appears to be on the outside.

It's entirely possible for Joumana to be a very insecure woman. It's also possible for her to be an extremely confident woman.

Posted by Nobody on September 11, 2003 2:52 PM

From what I heard Jason went out with Gabriel Union in the early 90's too. He get around I guess. Anyway, Jason doesn't talk about Jason Jr anymore because both Alexandria's new family and the Kidd's family decided it was in the best interest of the children, (both TJ and Jason Jr) that this whole mess stay under wrapps. It wasn't good to have the media asking Jason in public, "hey how is Jason Jr doing" especially since TJ goes everywhere Jason goes. What do you think TJ would think? "hey daddy who is Jason Jr? Do they mean me Todd Jason ? And how on earth can they ask Jason Jr. "hey how come you live with your mom and step dad instead of your real dad Jason Kidd?" How do you explain that to a chilc? What are you suppose to say "oh honey your daddy has a new family now". Hell no you can't do that to a little boy. So the best thing to do is just wait until the children are old enough to understand and then let them decide if they want to deal with all the media probing and poking into their family affairs. This makes perfect sence. It doesn't mean that Jason doesn't acknowledge or care for his first born. It means both his family and Alexandria's family have thought this through.

Posted by beth on September 11, 2003 3:04 PM

Can anyone tell me what happened between jason's mother Anne and Joumana that made her stop visiting the family? also can anyone tell me about this Amy person that everyone is talking about is she the one that he supposedly got pregnant in Los Angeles but when the test came back the little girl was not his.

P.S. I think Joumana has that "I'm beautiful and i !know it" attitude I think that is what bothers alot of people about her. Grant Hill and Rick Fox have beautiful wives but they don't let their beauty go to their heads

I really believe jason married joumana for her looks
eventually the love came later,he married her after 4 mos. come on , that was not love,he was just obsessed with her looks! after all he just got out of a relationship with Robin Givens

Posted by D.D on September 11, 2003 3:21 PM

That is still his child, who cares what the media says
and that child should know his father,not just by name or this man he sees on television,when he grows up and people ask him about his father ,what is he to say "i really don't my dad that well"or "that is what my mother tells me about him" that's not right,because his dad can't stand up and be a man. and even though another man may have stepped up and accepted the responsibility of being this childs dad,he should still know his biological father is!

wouldn't you want to know who your real father is,or whether you have brothers and sisters, or know your paternal grandparents knowing the truth is not going to scar any of those children for life!

Posted by D.D. on September 11, 2003 3:38 PM

DD to answer your question, Jason's mom and Joumana are not fighting or not on bad terms. It's the opposite they are very close. As a matter of a fact, Jason could not spend mothers day with Joumana this year because of the playoffs so Joumana spent it with her mother in law. Anne flew in to be with Joumana. As for the reason they got married so quickly, it's because Jason at the time was on the Dallas Mavs and was being traded to the Pheonix Suns. Since he was moving to Phoenix Joumana wanted to go with him and move in with him but her parents said hell no. So they upped and got married in February so that she could move in with him with her parents blessings and then they got married in a beautiful ceremony in August of 1997.

Posted by beth on September 11, 2003 3:54 PM

to back up everything I said here's the bio on Jason Kidd. http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Kidd/Kidd_bio.html
You can read all about it and you'll see everything I said was straight out of there.

Posted by Beth on September 11, 2003 3:58 PM

Beth ,thank you for clearing that up for me, Can you tell me anything about this Amy person everyone is talking about?

Posted by D.D. on September 11, 2003 4:22 PM

She's mentioned in that actual bio too. What you heard is correct. She accused him of being her baby daughters father but after DNA testing it was proved that she was lying and he wasn't the dad after all. Just a case of another gold digger.

Posted by Beth on September 11, 2003 5:07 PM

Is Alexandria Brown black, white, mixed? Jason seems to go for black women, but Joumana, being Middle Eastern, is an exception. Just wondering what Jason Jr looks like. Is he white-skinned like Jason?

Posted by jessica on September 12, 2003 1:21 AM

"What do you think TJ would think? "hey daddy who is Jason Jr?"

lol, Jason Jr is his BROTHER. That's how you answer that. Yeah, there are other questions that are going to come up, but they are questions that you answer instead of misleading children. They know and understand more than you think, and you have to explain it in a way that they can understand. I'm the oldest child from my father's second marriage, and for as long as I can remember, I understood that I had older brothers and sisters that didn't live with us. I was never mislead. I was never lied to, and even though I'm the oldest child of my father's second marriage, I always knew that I wasn't his oldest child period. I'm glad because I got so many valuable experiences and had so much fun from being around my older siblings. I couldn't imagine my mother, father, and my father's first wife agreeing to rob me of that experience.

If they've decided to cease mentioning Jason Jr, then more power to them, but I don't agree with it at all. I look down upon them for even agreeing to do that. You're going to agree to act like your first child doesn't exist? I guess all's fair and everything's game in the quest to present yourself as the perfect family.

Posted by Nobody on September 12, 2003 8:16 AM

I think the situation with jason and the Dallas Mavs,was that jason never came forth and defended himself,he aloud people such as the dallas mavericks owners(frank zacarelli), Jim jackson, and alot of sports reporters, to say things about him that probably weren't true,but he never stood up for himself,if people are saying negative things about you in front of your fans and you don't defend yourself then what are they supposed to believe? that is why Jason lost alot of fan support in Dallas, and the fact that that he threw that ultimatum into the air ,made him look even worst in the eyes of the fans,because it made him look like a troublemaker which I don't believe he was,from what I read it was jim jackson who
couldn't get along with his teammates,but because jason never opened his mouth,what are the fans to believe?

I think if Mark Cuban had bought the mavericks from Donald Carter Jason would still be in a Maverick
uniform and we would have the pleasure of seeing Joumana every 20 minutes.(ooh! now that I think about it trade was probably a good thing!)

Nets fans don't get mad at me , he belongs to ya'll now.


Posted by Anonymous on September 12, 2003 4:02 PM

The situation in Dallas with Jason and the Dallas Mavericks is that jason allowed people such as Mavericks owner(Frank Zacarelli), Jim Jackson and alot of the sport reporters to say things about him that probably weren't true, but jason never defended himself which made him look bad in the eyes of the fans. If someone is saying things about you and you never open your mouth to defend yourself then what are the fans to believe,there going to believe what the other people are saying and that is why jason lost alot of fan support in Dallas, they were led to believe that he was the bad seed on the team which we found out later he was not, jim jackson was the one who couldn't get along with his teammates.

Jason never got Dick Motta fired in Dallas he actually liked him after all that was his first N.B.A coach
that happened after the team was sold.

I believe that if Mark Cuban had bought the team from Donald Carter, Jason would still be in a mavericks uniform and Dallas Fans would have the pleasure of seeing joumana every 20 minutes (ooh! now that I think about it maybe a trade was good thing!)

Nets Fans ya'll have him now treat him well!

Posted by D.D. on September 12, 2003 4:31 PM

I need to toss my computer in the trash, sorry about the double message!

Posted by D.D. on September 12, 2003 4:35 PM

Jessica, Alexandria Brown is Black. If you scroll up to the top around May somebody mentioned it. I don't know what Jason Jr looks like though.

Posted by Shawn on September 13, 2003 7:22 PM

Okay, thanks Shawn.

Posted by jessica on September 14, 2003 1:11 AM

oh you guys. you really are blind, aren't you? Joumana buys the kids toys, throws them in boxes, and expects them to play quietly in the basement while she is looking at herself in the mirror. She buys them everything so they'll stay out of her hair.
I used to be a Nets fan.. but it has gotten out of hand. Its clear to anyone that Joumana is a gold digger, there is no way ANYONE can deny that. She only cares about how much face time she gets on TV.
Jason's daughters aren't brought to a lot of games because Joumana doesn't want them to go. She'd much rather have them at home in their cribs or watching TV with their care taker.
If you think she is such a great mother, why did she hire 7 people to take care of them? And why do you think she is never home? She's too busy getting her hair or nails done in NYC. And regardless of what she said in the newspaper or magazine, she never recieved a spot on any TV show.

Posted by *~~* on September 14, 2003 2:34 PM

So *~~*, you're saying that Joumana doesn't love Jason and that she only stayed married to him after he punched her because she wants face time on TV? That's awful. She is really more scummy than I thought. I could see her being a gold digger when she first married him, but I figured she would leave his ass after she got him arrested if she didn't love him. She would still be rich either way.

And lol, she told the NY Times that she made the final cut for a talk show. I saved the article. She really didn't do that? It is so retarded to lie about something like that, because once everyone sees that she isn't on a show, it will prove that she is a liar. She is truly an idiot.

I do agree that one year olds shouldn't be at basketball games, though.

But I don't like how she hired a bunch of people to take care of her kids. That's ridiculous. Don't have kids if u don't want anything to do with them. And then she gets on TV and says her kids are her first priority. Ugh, yeah right. Jason deserves better than that.

*~~*, you sound like you've spent some time with the Kidd family before. Thanks for posting some stuff about them.

Posted by Anonymous on September 14, 2003 5:34 PM

haha.. if Joumana had left Jason when he punched her, she wouldn't be as rich as you think. She stayed because she knew that if she did leave, she would have trouble getting on TV and finding a decent source of income.. to her standards.

How old is that article? Don't you think you'd be seeing her on a show by now if that article was true?

And on that episode of MTV Cribs, Joumana doesn't drive TJ to school. She doesn't drive anyone anywhere, except herself to the mall or NYC. That wasn't even HER car on Cribs.

Posted by *~~* on September 14, 2003 6:05 PM

lol, seriously? They didn't use her car for that TJ school thing? It had 3 car seats in it, so I figured it would be at least Jason's. And that article was from July 25, 2003. Maybe they mean a show for next season, like in 2004? lol, who knows. I guess she was just lying. She's really an idiot if she made that up.

If she divorced him, she could have gotten probably half of his total income, as well as half of everything he makes in the future. Pretty good deal if you ask me. And when the incident happened, Joumana was only doing a little basketball show in Phoenix, so it wasn't like she would be missing out on anything special TV wise. Actually, if she divorced him and went back to San Francisco, she would probably have had more opportunities there to get in the TV business instead of treking to Jason's basketball functions in Phoenix everyday. There is no way that she could have predicted that she would end up in NJ with all of these TV opportunities.

Posted by Anonymous on September 14, 2003 6:44 PM

Does anyone know if Joumana's mom speaks English? Does she have an accent?

Posted by Richard on September 14, 2003 6:50 PM

Joumana's mother has a very heavy accent. She sometimes speaks to Joumana in their language, but Joumana just talks back to her in english

Posted by *~~* on September 14, 2003 6:57 PM

but if joumana had divorced jason back in AZ, or dallas, or whatever.. when he was jus starting out, he didn't have that much money yet.. i mean, i'm not a financial person, but with all the clothes and sh*t she buys all the time, she's obviously better off staying with jason. hence my previous statement: Joumana is a gold digger

Posted by *~~* on September 14, 2003 7:21 PM

"My wife, she was neutral. She wasn't saying New Jersey, she wasn't saying San Antonio. She just stayed in the middle until I made my decision and then she told me who she wanted. She wanted New Jersey" -- Jason Kidd, THE STAR-LEDGER

Joumana wanted to go to San Antonio because she didn't recieve the job she wanted in NYC. Jason plays it cool because he doesn't want to upset joumana (she's got him whipped). I hate to say this, but they try their hardest to seem like they are the perfect family..
but SOME people (those who live/work in thier house) know the truth..

little know this, but they never celebrated jason's decision for signing with the nets again. they never had a party.. they just went to that one where they wore yellow. it was the worst attempt to look like a fairytale family.
joumana was upset for a month after jason's signing.

honest to god truth

Posted by *~~* on September 14, 2003 8:20 PM

No way. Joumana is the only reason Jason STAYED in New Jersey! San Antonio has the best player in the world in Tim Duncan, so of course he wanted to go there, but he stayed because of his wife. The Nets are not a better basketball team than San Antonio. They may be kinda equal, but with Duncan, SA has the edge. If Jason didn't have a wife, there is no doubt that he would be a Spur. Even if Joumana didn't get the job she wanted (even though she told the NY Times she made the cut for a show, maybe for the 2004-2005 season?), she still has NBA TV in NJ and Extra, which is a NATIONALLY televised show. She would be getting none of that in San Antonio, not even close. SA is in the middle of nowhere, no action or excitement. If Joumana is in NYC all the time buying clothes, getting her hair and nails done like you said, then she would NEVER be able to survive in San Antonio, where there is nothing to do and where it is NOTHING like New York. In fact, Joumana told her inner circle in San Antonio during the Finals, that she would NEVER move to San Antonio and that leaked out to a San Antonio radio station because one of the sound guys heard her say it. He said she tried to make a joke of it, but it was too late, everyone knew right there that Jason was practically picking between Joumana and San Antonio.

And Jason said they went to San Lucas, Mexico, to celebrate their staying.

But everything else that you said is very interesting. I'm guessing you work in the Kidd house? That must be fun and I'm sure you get the inside scoop, but you seem a little off base on the Joumana/San Antonio thing. Maybe if you ask Joumana, I am sure she will clear it up for you. She likes the city and the attention.

Posted by Anonymous on September 14, 2003 10:19 PM

They didn't need a party to celebrate his staying. His party will come when he gets a ring. Then he will know that he made the right decision. What's wrong with a quiet, dinner out together? Maybe they did that? I'm sure they go out to eat together sometimes. They could have had a mini quiet celebration. And they did go on vacation to Cabo, Mexico.

I agree that Joumana must have him whipped, which is why he stayed in NJ. There is no other reason to turn down Tim Duncan. He must really love her if he gave up a chance to play with one of the greatest NBA players of all time just for her.

You sound like you hate the Kidds. lol, that sucks, considering it sounds like you work for them.

Posted by jessica on September 14, 2003 10:31 PM

No one has the perfect family. I know they try hard to make it look like that, but I am sure behind the scenes they fight, make bad decisions, etc, but are they all bad? Are they bad people that don't deserve to live? Probably not.

Posted by Anonymous on September 14, 2003 10:36 PM

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Okay, he hit her in 2001. By that time, he was filthy rich. He had a huge contract in Phoenix. And obviously in 2003 he was due for another, even bigger contract. Joumana would have gotten HALF of his current dough and half of his future income. Heck, that is probably more money than she gets to claim as hers while she is married to him, because who knows how much is considered his and how much is hers when they are married. And if she wanted to be serious in the television business, she would have ditched Jason and moved to Los Angeles or something. All she had in Phoenix was a dinky Phoenix Suns basketball show, with no guarantee that it was going to get any better, since Jason said he wanted to remain a Phoenix Sun for the rest of his life. Now being married to an NBA player, and a good one at that, can't hurt if you want to get on TV, but was Joumana getting anything in Phoenix? No. Just a little spot on a basketball show and a radio job she hated. I'm telling you, if you just talked with them a little more (since you are obviously are close to them), I think you would find out a little more about how they think. You honestly believe that she doesn't love him? At all?

Posted by Anonymous on September 14, 2003 10:50 PM

That's cool. Do you know what language it is that she speaks? By the way, welcome to this board. You seem awesome.

Posted by Richard on September 14, 2003 10:58 PM

Is Joumana whiny and annoying around the house like Jessica Simpson is on her new MTV show? I can see her being annoying like that. Does she complain about everything to Jason and then get her way?

Posted by Anonymous on September 14, 2003 11:21 PM

I believe if Joumana had left Jason after "the incident" she surely would have gotten more than half of his money,since she is the one who takes care of the checkbook as well as all the bills , she needed to hang on to him, so she could get her career off the ground believe me if she had a job with maybe a show such as "Good Morning America",or another show liked that Jason Kidd would be very
single man right now, she would have filed for divorce the next day after he "assaulted" her, Miah and Jazelle (pretty name) would not even exist! this woman is very smart she knows exactly what she is doing!

I'm sure somewhere in her heart she loves jason after all she gave the man 3 children,so there is some love there somewhere and as for jason he is so obsessed with her looks(whipped) the boy can't see straight!
(sounds like doug christie)

also I read the article about her hiring all these people to take care of her children, (2 nannies and a night nurse) I know it is hard raising children but she only has 3,I have a relative that is 26 yrs old who has 6 kids and she works and takes care of them by herself, Joumana needs to take a deeper look into that mirror that she primps in to see how pitiful she is.

don't get me wrong I am the biggest Jason Kidd fan, I just think his family is pitiful!

Posted by D.D. on September 15, 2003 12:33 AM

I don't think Joumana is a very good reporter that's probably why she lost that monday night football job!

Posted by D.D. on September 15, 2003 12:38 AM

Does anybody know if there is truth to the rumor that Jim Jackson and Jason Kidd have made peace with one another!
can anyone tell me what Joumana was like in high school.

Posted by D.D. on September 15, 2003 12:44 AM

I think Joumana didn't get the Monday Night Football job because she really doesn't know anything about football. I don't think she would have liked it anyway. She seems to have no interest in the sport and it requires a lot of travel. I don't really think she would have enjoyed it.

Oh yeah, Joumana was pregnant (only for a couple weeks) before Jason hit her. So there would have been twins no matter if they divorced or not. :)

And I understand that Joumana can and should use Jason to jumpstart her career, but in January of 2001, it didn't look like Jason was ever going to play for another NBA team besides Phoenix. Joumana's career wasn't going to jumpstart in Phoenix, no matter what Jason did. So you figure if her career wasn't going to flourish in Phoenix, and that's where she expected to be for quite a while, she would divorce Jason if she didn't love him.

Posted by Anonymous on September 15, 2003 1:00 AM

Yeah, Jimmy Jackson and Jason are said to be at peace. How peaceful, I don't know. It is rumored that Jimmy turned down an offer to play for the Nets this year, which could mean that there is still some tension between the two, but then again, it could just mean that Jimmy doesn't want to move east or that he thinks the Kings are better, etc.

Posted by Anonymous on September 15, 2003 1:03 AM

their trip to mexico was anything BUT a joyful vacation. they fought the whole time, and then they sent for their kids a few days later because they couldn't stand being alone with each other.

Posted by *~~* on September 15, 2003 2:47 PM

D.D. - do you still have that article about the 2 nannies and the night nurse?

Posted by *~~* on September 15, 2003 2:54 PM

Or maybe they like being with their kids and think that their kids should get to enjoy a vacation too? Jason said that he had a great time with his family in Mexico. Then again, I don't always believe what he says publicly, but I don't think wanting your children around for half of the trip is an indication that you can't stand your wife.

And I have the article. It's from USA Today, June 4th, 2003, and it was about Joumana's career in television. Here is where they mention the nannies...

"How does Joumana juggle it all? For starters, she has two nannies during the day, a night nurse and a cleaning lady. Her Pilates instructor comes to the house three times a week. The dry cleaner delivers."

Posted by Anonymous on September 15, 2003 5:23 PM

thanks! buts that all it said about them? seems kinda unfair..

Posted by *~~* on September 15, 2003 5:43 PM

*~~*,if you would like to check out the article yourself it is at
www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/nets/2003-06-04-joumana-kidd_x.htm

Posted by D.D on September 15, 2003 7:11 PM

Does anyone know if Joumana ever reported any other incidents of physical abuse ? if so give me details!

Posted by D.D. on September 15, 2003 7:16 PM

hmm... almost half of that article is, well.. inaccurate.

but i'll let it slide..

Posted by *~~* on September 15, 2003 7:33 PM

If the article is inaccurate tell me what the real deal is? Give me details

Posted by D.D. on September 15, 2003 11:35 PM

How is it inaccurate? I'm curious now. I didn't really think it said much. What is so inaccurate about it? What more should have been said about the nannies? That would have been going a little off-topic from what the article was about. (Even though I'm sure the nannies deserve a lot of credit, considering how little Joumana does.)

And D.D., Joumana never reported any other incidents of physical abuse, but behind the scenes, I wouldn't be surprised if there was more violence prior to the incident.

Posted by Anonymous on September 16, 2003 12:18 AM

"How does Joumana juggle it all? For starters, she has two nannies during the day, a night nurse and a cleaning lady. Her Pilates instructor comes to the house three times a week. The dry cleaner delivers."

... Sounds like the hired help is doing all of the juggling to me.

Posted by Nobody on September 16, 2003 8:53 AM

LOL Nobody, I was thinking that, too.

*~~*, I have a question. Does Joumana know all the mean stuff that people say about her on message boards, websites, newspapers, and other places online? Does she ever go online and read things? Is she upset by it, crying about it, or could she not care less? I wonder if she's ever stumbled upon this website and seen the stuff people say about her.

Posted by Anonymous on September 16, 2003 4:28 PM

Does Joumana and her mother speak Arabic? I'm curious. And does anyone know her brother's name and how old he is? Is he a pilot? I read he was studying to be a pilot and I wonder if that ever happened for him.

Posted by Richard on September 16, 2003 4:31 PM

"determined not to be just another pretty face" Thats the only thing Joumana is determined to be.

"The thing I like about Joumana is that she doesn't want to be a celebrity" ..she wants to have a lot of face time on TV.

I'm jus sayin that there are 2 nannies that were former cleaning ladies, than there is a night nurse, a day nurse, a handyman, and there used to be a 14 yr old girl helping out with TJ.
And it's true that "the help" is 'juggling' it all. Those people work endlessly behind the scenes. Some work 26 hrs in a row.. with no sleep.
i could go on.. but i won't.

Joumana knows SOME of the things people say about her, but she doesn't show it. But she lets out all of her anger on someone else by yelling or firing them.

Yes.. her brother is a pilot. his name is sam. and i think he is a few years younger than her. why do you care about what language they speak?

Posted by *~~* on September 16, 2003 6:00 PM

*~~*, you know everything. It's awesome. Thanks for answering all of these questions. Okay, I just want to know what language they speak. I found it interesting that Joumana understood another language. Haha, and it's weird how Joumana has such an exotic name and her brother is named Sam. lol. I wonder why that is. Does her brother look like her at all? Okay, sorry, I'm obsessed with Kidd and his family and even the people who work in his house. I wanna know everything that goes on in Kidd's life. Weird I know, but I can't help it. It's a weird obsession. By the discussions we have here, I don't think I'm the only one who's obsessed. I'll get over it, maybe when he retires. GO NETS

Oh yeah, what does a day nurse do? Never heard of that. And it must be long hours, but the pay must be out of this world. Not to mention that you get to be in the Kidd house all day. I would kill for a job like that. Joumana fires people?? Did they do something wrong or did she just fire them? I'm telling you, I was watching the Kidds on YES Network Magazine and the lady that was carrying Miah looked a little stange to me. Like, when Joumana went to stroke Miah's face, the lady like pulled the baby away like she was hers or something. lol, it was just weird looking. I don't know. It was probably nothing, but just strange. I would love for you to tell more. You're posts are great.

Posted by Richard on September 16, 2003 7:59 PM

lol, Richard. I'm obsessed too. This talk about nannies and stuff is fascinating me too.

Posted by jessica on September 16, 2003 8:11 PM

haha. ok...
umm, her brother looks a little like her. but since she's gotten a nose job, and whatever else.. the look different.

The day nurse takes care of the 3 kids during the day until about 6 when the night nurse comes in to take over.

joumana doesn't really fire people.. she has jason do it sometimes. i never figured out why. people get fired when she's in a really bad mood for a long period of time. it's one of her ways of releasing anger.

what you saw on TV might have been a little different than what really happened. sometimes her daughters pull away from joumana when she tries to hold or hug them. they think the nurses are their real mothers.

Posted by *~~* on September 16, 2003 9:07 PM

Ok. If the day nurse takes care of the 3 kids, what do the nannies do? Do they help the day nurse with the kids or something? haha, it's obvious that I am clueless about child care. Have you seen a lot of people get fired? Did they deserve it? That's really sad that the girls probably don't realize who their mother really is. And lol, I sware this lady pulled Miah away. I seriously wanna know who that lady is. She looked kinda young. Maybe in her twenties, early thirties.

Posted by Richard on September 16, 2003 9:27 PM

so is Sam attractive? Is he married?

Posted by jessica on September 16, 2003 9:58 PM

Is Jason as bad as joumana when it comes to the children, does he spend time with his girls or is t.J. the only one he has time for? Do the twins know who there father is? and finally has jason ever protested against anyone joumana wanted fired,meaning
has he ever said I don't want to fire this person?

Posted by D.D. on September 17, 2003 3:26 AM

Has Jason or Joumana ever mistreated any of their employees?

Posted by D.D. on September 17, 2003 3:30 AM

Ah, good questions D.D.

Posted by Anonymous on September 17, 2003 4:20 PM

the nannies help out. i saw like, one person get fired, but she didn't deserve it.

sam is married.

Jason sees his kids whenever he is home. but TJ is his #1 child. he takes him to practice sometimes. but i guess its like a father-son thing..
they sorta know that jason is their dad. but ya know.. they're only gunna be 2..

jason doesn't protest against anything joumana says.

joumana mistreats everyone.

Posted by *~~* on September 17, 2003 5:43 PM

Maybe they just didn't need the extra person so they let her go? I don't know.

"joumana mistreats everyone."

wow, seriously? Is she really that bad? She's never nice? She's gotta be somewhat okay, otherwise Jason would tell her to take a hike.

Posted by Anonymous on September 17, 2003 10:52 PM

Thank you anonymous, just trying to get the dirt,
Joumana better watch it because she will run across the wrong employee on the wrong day and they will whip her a--! does she think because she has money she
can treat people any kinda way, people will only let you push them so far before they go off on you!(better watch it girl) all that money that she has can be easily taken away!

Posted by D.D. on September 18, 2003 1:09 AM

Just because a woman is beautiful to others doesn't mean she is to herself. So Jessica that pretty much answers your ?. Also you don't know, she might have not had a shortage of men, I wouldn't say boyfriends. Yes she had some boyfriends, but she did get around and they all weren't her boyfriends. Being that she got a nose job does show a sense of insecurity. There are alot of actress', anchor people out there who refuse to succumb to the powers that be. Queen Latifah and Jennifer Lopez to name a few. They are both very successful. Plenty of people told both of them they needed to lose weight and look at them. Especially Jennifer, she turned it around and made America love the big booty and thick body. Oprah started out in journalism and they told her way more than I'm sure they told Joumana about her appearance, her nose, her bags and her weight, and she is more successful than Joumana will ever be. So I'm sorry I believe that if you are secure with yourself you don't need to listen to what others think about your appearance. You have to make it happen, regardless of what people think.

Posted by mb on September 18, 2003 1:32 AM

Also I don't mind getting older. I'm 33 and look great. I look better than most girls in their mid 20's. I embrace getting older, it's inevitable. I know I will always be beautiful to the people who count in my book.
Also beth I don't know where your from but Alexandria agreed on no such thing. So I don't know where you have gotten you information, but my good friends is good friends with Jason Jr.'s stepdad (actually their not married but he has been raising Jason Jr. more that Jason himself). Jason stopped seeing Jason Jr. after Joumana had T.J. You need to read above in May, I'm not going to re-type it all, but you need to read about the real story, there was no such agreement. Luckily Jason Jr. has a real father in his life when his biological father dropped out.

Posted by mb on September 18, 2003 1:40 AM

what is the matter with Jason, he has let this woman take his manhood away from him, it is like watching another Doug Christie in the making,she has reduced this man to a boy, he better not ever get on television claiming that he is a man, because we will all know that is a flat-out lie!

This woman must be outstanding in the bedroom to be able to reduce this man to nothing.

*~~*,does jason seem happy around the house,how is his self esteem

let me stop myself i'm on the outside looking in so I really don't know what's going on in that house I can only go by what's posted here or what's on television ,like anonymous said she must be doing something right because he is still there. they've been married 6 or 7 yrs(maybe longer)

P.S.
there was posting back on june 5, 2003 anyway ,the person said she was suprised that jason married an arab woman, that is because he has mistreated all the black woman,or any other race of women he has dated he has burned all those bridges,he couldn't cross back if he wanted too!

Posted by D.D. on September 18, 2003 1:52 AM

I read in an earlier posting that Joumana and her mother-in-law have a pretty good relationship now, because before I don't think they got along very
well.

Posted by D.D. on September 18, 2003 2:00 AM

Hey MB,if you would scroll up to sept.11, at 4:22 p.m.
posting by D.D. can you tell me anything about that, if so I would appreciate it!

Posted by D.D on September 18, 2003 2:23 AM

I see what you're saying, mb. Maybe she wanted a nose job and didn't base it on what other people thought? Like my 20 year old sister wants a nose job to smooth out a bump on her nose and to make it a little smaller. She wants it for her own personal satisfaction. Does it mean she's insecure? Should I tell her not to do it?

Posted by jessica on September 18, 2003 3:27 PM

So in general, *~~*, do you think Jason and Joumana are good or bad people? You really think Joumana is a bad person?

Posted by Anonymous on September 18, 2003 3:39 PM

Jason is always happy. he has awesome self esteem.

Jason = good. Joumana = bad. simple.

Posted by *~~* on September 18, 2003 4:10 PM

"Jason = good. Joumana = bad. simple."

Jason punched his wife. Joumana took a punch. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Posted by Frank on September 18, 2003 6:11 PM

Poor Joumana got hit, oh please Joumana is not the first woman to get hit by her husband,hell she is not the first NBA wife to get hit, so why does her situation get special attention,because she is pretty, so what!There are nba wives who have been assaulted by their husbands and you barely hear anything about it.


We don't know what happened that day between Jason and Joumana,she could have provoked him in some way,and I'm not saying what he did was right because it wasn't and he needs his a-- kicked for it, because no woman deserves to be hit,and if she had any sense she would have slapped him back and spit in his face, anyway back to what I was saying, sometimes (some) women know exactly what to say to make a man angry and alot of the time they will continue to say mean and hateful things to make him angry!until he goes off, i've seen (some)women do this.


In the situation of jason and joumana, they both reacted in the wrong way, him because he put his hand
on her, her because she got mad because he ate one of the baby's fries, he could have easily gone to McDonalds and bought the baby another happy meal!

Posted by D.D. on September 19, 2003 1:06 AM

Can anyone tell me anything about Denise Kidd, I've only seen her once,and that was when jason first got drafted, but if I had to pick her out of a line-up,I couldn't do it.

I've seen his baby sister Kim, she looks like jason
with a wig on.

Posted by D.D on September 19, 2003 1:17 AM

"her because she got mad because he ate one of the baby's fries, he could have easily gone to McDonalds and bought the baby another happy meal!"

lol is that a joke, or is that what really happened?

Posted by Shawn on September 19, 2003 1:57 AM

Jessica, your sister getting a nose job because SHE wants improvement is different than her getting it because someone told her it would make her look better and help her get a job. She admitted herself she can be insecure. I'm not just making it up, I don't judge based on assumption, I go by what I see and sometimes hear if it coincides.
D.D., Amy was Jason's for real girlfriend for a long time. Contrary to someone saying she was a golddigger (which if she claimed a baby on Jason that wasn't his she is dead wrong), however she was his girlfriend for a long time. When he married Joumana people thought it was Amy he married. I don't know what she looks like, all I know is she's from San Francisco as well as Alexandria.

Posted by mb on September 19, 2003 3:30 AM

"Jason punched his wife. Joumana took a punch. Shouldn't it be the other way around?"

ahh.. first of all, the incident happened a little more than 2 years ago. can we let that go? people can change. and i think everyone will agree with me when i say that i know a lot about the kidd family. so i KNOW what is what. joumana is a bad person. she needs help, but she won't admit it. they were both going to a physiatrist a while ago, but that got pushed under the rug along with many other things.

no matter what is going on, jason is always in a happy mood. he doesn't care about how often he's on TV, he just loves the game. and he doesn't try to dump his children on someone else all the time.

Posted by *~~* on September 19, 2003 7:55 AM

haha.. sorry.i meant psychiatrist

Posted by *~~* on September 19, 2003 7:59 AM

Haha, Shawn, yeah, Joumana got mad because Jason ate one of TJ's fries and she said in the police report that she was afraid that TJ wouldn't have enough food. Oh please. Get off your lazy butt and go buy the kid more fries. There shouldn't be a shortage of food in a wealthy household. Regardless of what she was complaining about and yelling at Jason, that is no reason to deserve a punch. No woman ever deserves to be punched.

Posted by Anonymous on September 19, 2003 11:33 AM

"joumana is a bad person. she needs help, but she won't admit it. they were both going to a physiatrist a while ago, but that got pushed under the rug along with many other things."

Is Joumana a bad person because she wants to be on TV all the time and doesn't take care of her kids? Or is there more to it? Could you elaborate? Pretty please?? :) This is all so interesting. They were both in counseling to heal their marriage after the incident, but since you say we should move on from that, shouldn't they move on from the counseling? Why do you think Joumana needs psychiatric help? Does Jason think she needs help? What else got pushed under the rug? Sorry, I am very curious. You know you want to tell us. :) hehe. Again, how bad could she be? Jason is still married to her. He always says how much she supports him and stuff like that. Has she done something to you personally that makes you feel like she is bad? Has she maybe not been as friendly to you as she should be? I'm assuming you are employed by the Kidds. Perhaps Joumana wants to keep it strictly as a employer-employee relationship while Jason is looking to be more of your friend? lol, I don't know. You just seem so bitter towards her. I hope she has never done anything seriously wrong to you. That would be awful.

Posted by Anonymous on September 19, 2003 11:49 AM

I think they both have their issues. First of all I am not a big Joumana fan, however, being married to a ballplayer is a very trying situation. I used to date a ballplayer and you really have to be able to deal with a lot of issues, more than your average. They are gone a lot, and the infedelity issue comes into play more than normal. It takes a special person to be able to handle that and either work things out and stay together or not. Relations ships are hard alone, better yet the issues that come with being with a ballplayer. I'm not justifying actions of ballplayers, its just a reality. All of them aren't bad or cheaters, but a lot of them are, a lot.
As for abuse, that should not be tolerated, but I guess Joumana made the decision that through therapy and the changes she saw in her husband, she decided to stay and make it work, and that is what relationships are about. I couldn't stay with a man that struck me, but I guess she could. Everyone's tolerance is different. They have different things that they think might be able to be worked out.
Jason isn't the only one. Penny abused his baby momma (his police report incident was on the smoking gun, I don't know if it's still there), Ruben Patterson (his foul ass) struck his wife on more than 1 occassion and he pleaded guilty to sexual assault with his nanny. That's just to name a few. So like I said she chose to stay for whatever reason.
I still think Jason is very fickle and whupped when it comes to women. Check out his track record. You all might say some women are gold diggers, but if he kept his d@#k in his pants, he wouldn't have the problem of being caught up on false charges. So call these women what you want. Anyone from the bay knows Jason was a hound, it's just Joumana whupped him and sewed him up. And he wasn't faithful to her at first, hell he might still dip every now and then.

Posted by mb on September 19, 2003 12:40 PM

Well I feel Jason and Joumana both have their issues. As far as Joumana staying with Jason she felt her marraige was worth saving after changes she saw in Jason and therapy. Some people look at things and prioritize different. I wouldn't stay with a man that struck me, however, Joumana is different. Marraige is tough,let alone married to a ballplayer. They have issues most regular couples. I'm not saying all ballplayers cheat, but a lot of them do, a lot. They are always gone a lot and that plays a big part. Most of them succumb to the "groupies". Some have full fledged relationships. Hell Julius Irving was going out with a woman from Oakland for years, they have pictures together and everything. Thats just 1. Look at Michael Jordan. Not saying it's right, but you have to be a special female to deal with a ballplayer. I used to date a ballplayer, and that shit was tough, I myself couldn't handle it. I will straight flash on a mo-fo. I can't turn the other cheek. I wouldn't be to the extreme as Doug Christies wife, but in a sense I can see how that can get you to acting silly. She's a little too over the top with it though. All I'm saying is they have to deal with a lot more issues.
Jason isn't the only player to strike his spouse. Penny Hardaway abused his baby momma (his police report was on the smoking gun, I don't know if it still is) and banished a weapon. Ruben Patterson (with his foul ass) abused his wife on several occassions and plead guilty to sexual assault on his nanny (that was supposedly his baby momma's friend). That's just to name a few.
Also, Jason was known in the town as a hound. He is a sucker for women. You all want to say these women are gold diggers, how can they search for gold if these men were keeping their d@*k in their pants? Not saying what they are doing is right, but you do have women out there like that, and if these men would be true to their marraige and relationships they wouldn't have that problem. Joumana just sewed that shit up! Even when he first married her he still had his thang thang's on the side, I don't know about now, but I know he was when he got married. But what would this world be without a little drama??
Peace!

Posted by mb on September 19, 2003 12:53 PM

mb, how do you know Jason was unfaithful to Joumana when they first got married? They had just moved to Phoenix so it would have been hard to maintain any type of relationship with someone back in the Bay Area since Jason was there rarely.

Posted by Anonymous on September 19, 2003 2:18 PM

Most guys in there 20s, college age, can't keep their d*#k in their pants. I won't fault Jason for that. He was just trying to be one of the guys. Trying to be cool and trying to fit in. But maybe finding true love in Joumana settled him down? Jason's a smart guy, he can think for himself. He is not controlled by his wife. He may respect and value her opinions greatly, but that is only because he loves her.

Posted by Frank on September 19, 2003 2:24 PM

Well it's not hard to have extramarital affairs. Jason did come to the bay when he was in Phoenix. Now when he went to Jersey, it's true he rarely comes home. That's why I said I don't know about now. I do however know of a couple he fooled with when they got married and when he was in Phoenix. After T.J. was born I hadn't heard of anything.
And Frank, who said Joumana controls Jason? Maybe I missed something.
Yes most guys in their 20's are out there, as well as 30's and 40's on up. It depends on the individual.

Posted by mb on September 19, 2003 2:58 PM

Also I didn't say I faulted Jason, all I said is it's not always the women't fault when they claim they have a baby by these men. All I'm saying is if the men at least used protection, they wouldn't have to worry about women trying to claim a child. You didn't hear of Jason saying he DIDN't sleep with the women unprotected, all he DID say is it was ?able whether or not it was his child and the women meant nothing to him. If they meant nothing that is even more of a reason to be cautious and slap on a condom. That's all I'm saying, and I'm sure you would agree on that.

Posted by mb on September 19, 2003 3:03 PM

You know that joumana controls Jason , their household and probably any other thing that goes on in their lives, I think if she ever left him he might attempt suicide!

Jason wasn't too smart he got caught up in not one but two paternity suits,and I know young guys when they are that age, there main priority at that time is to get as many women as possible,at least be smart about it and cover your butt, so that you don't have 10 or 20 women claiming to be your "Baby's Mama "!

I have to admit Joumana has settled him down quite a bit, you don't here as much negative press as you used to,he seems to have matured alot, I also believe
when his father died that made him grow up as well.

Has anyone heard Jason's rap song?

Posted by D.D on September 19, 2003 11:39 PM

Has Joumana ever taken care of her children without the help of a nanny,nurse, or handyman? Does she ever feed them ,give them a bath,or combs their hair,
she's got to at least do some of her motherly duties.

Posted by D.D. on September 19, 2003 11:48 PM

I would hope that she could give her own kids baths. ~**~? enlighten us, please. :)

Posted by Anonymous on September 20, 2003 12:30 AM

Oops, that would be, *~~*. I apologize.

Posted by Anonymous on September 20, 2003 12:32 AM

Does little Jason have any type of relationship with jason's mother and 2 sisters?

Posted by D.D. on September 20, 2003 1:26 AM

In order to make it easier to continue this discussion, I have created another page on this site for it. Please continue to post your comments, over here.

Posted by Matt on September 20, 2003 9:09 AM


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