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« On plagiarism | (more discussion of jkidd, etc.) » U2: An American band?I feel guilty, but I have something to say about yet another thing I read in Sports Illustrated. I confess I read that magazine sometimes, if it's lying around and I want something light to page through while I'm eating lunch or some snack. But if this keeps up, not to worry — I'll go and register SIFilter.com and take it where it belongs.... Anyway. You may or may not have seen one of U2's latest videos, for their single, "Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of" (the lyrics are here), but there's something very odd about it: It's about (American) football. And when I first saw it I was puzzled; why would U2, an arty, Irish pop band, want a video about football? Well, go figure, those inimitable news hounds at SI got the scoop. The video's director, one Joseph Kahn, told the magazine, "All they told me was, 'We want you to do something very American.' " SI doesn't report where Kahn originates from, however, so the puzzle as to whether it's American or European video directors that think football is definitive of America yet remains. And a deeper puzzle has also emerged. Why would U2 want a "very American" video, even if it has nothing to do with them, their interests or their music? (Kahn also tells SI that the band "know[s] nothing about football" (in SI's words).) Can you imagine a more complete sellout, short of Bono calling up a country-western songwriter requesting some "very American" lyrics for their next single? I mean, sure, pop music is big business, in the States more than anywhere, but this takes cheesy to new depths. (The song, too, is catchy but about as substantial as chords played on an air guitar.) Also on SIFilter this week: this week's cover story, on the Nets' Jason Kidd, includes a lengthy (and sappy and poorly told) account of Kidd's marital history, starting with him first meeting his now wife, Joumana Samaha. The writer, S. L. Price, begins the story as follows: It began the way it always begins. She was beautiful, and he had to have her. He saw her, and it all became clear: They would get together, and one thing would lead to another. Soon he lost his head a bit and saw the two of them together forever, the ballplayer and the Bud girl. That was what she was then, ... And so on, in like vein. (I have quoted maybe half of the first paragraph of Price's romantic backstory.) Painfully bad stuff, but it brought me up short. I've also written a few pieces with the line "she was beautiful" in them. Is my stuff that bad, too? Ouch. Of course, I've deliberately tried not to write like that — that's the whole point of that experiment, to take that line and try and do something interesting despite it. But, man, I'd forgotten just how agonizing it can be when you fail. I sure hope I didn't (too badly, at least). January 26, 2002 5:47 PM Comments (and TrackBacks)I haven't seen the U2 video you are referencing and, frankly, i don't need to in order to be in agreement with your observation. U2 was one of my favorite bands growing up. In fact, the first concert I went to was in support of the "War" album, still a fantastic listen. It was a fabulous concert. The band played as if they cared about the music. And Bono didn't wear his friggin' sunglasses. Trace the band's downfall to the moment Bono started to wear his sunglasses outdoors, indoors, under doors and above doors. Disappointing band, indeed. There is an interesting rant on the subject of "selling out," by the way, by Dave Eggers: http://www.aphrodigitaliac.com/mm/archive/2000/05/15/ Posted by mike on January 28, 2002 12:36 AM Is Jasons wife Joumana Black or is she Arabic?? Posted by manni on March 12, 2002 4:29 PM she's hot no matter Posted by Van on May 15, 2002 11:24 PM Joumana Samaha kidd: She's Arabic/Palastinian Posted by Clue on June 1, 2002 6:51 AM I grew up with her since 2nd grade through high school. Always in the spotlight. When we were Jr. High she even bragged she was dating Ralph Tresvant from New Edition. Posted by kelly on June 6, 2002 12:17 PM hi Posted by anonymous on July 28, 2002 10:39 PM is joumana kidd black at all? or just arabic? Posted by anonymous on July 28, 2002 10:40 PM I think that Joumana Kidd is a sexy beast!!!! Posted by Ryan on October 3, 2002 9:45 PM So what race is she?? Arabic? Black? Posted by Anonymous on October 9, 2002 9:32 PM Ahhh. Joumana Kidd if you read this, tell us what nationality you are. Posted by anonymous on October 17, 2002 4:47 PM Her dad, part Jordanian and part Egyptian. Her mother, part Palestinian and part Lebanese. Posted by Anonimo on October 27, 2002 10:28 PM does anybody know how tall joumana kidd is. Posted by shukri on December 3, 2002 10:26 PM around 5'5" Posted by on December 9, 2002 4:31 PM what race is allen iverson's wife Posted by n/a on December 26, 2002 8:06 PM does anyone know joumana? she seemed so stuck up on MTV cribs. is she always like that? Posted by sherae on January 10, 2003 12:37 PM How does she seem stuck up? Posted by on January 13, 2003 3:51 PM Allen Iverson's wife looks half black and half white. Posted by on January 13, 2003 3:51 PM Iverson's wife if black Posted by on January 13, 2003 10:43 PM Iverson's wife if black Posted by on January 13, 2003 10:44 PM damn i was just watching mtv's diary of Jason Kidd... wowwwwwwwww his wife is so damn smokin.. im in love Posted by on January 13, 2003 10:59 PM I can't believe he's a wife beater. He seemed so nice on MTV's Diary. Posted by on January 16, 2003 3:25 PM omg joumana kidd is amazing!! that sexy Arabic girl!! part LEBANESE and part PALASTINIAN! iam lebanese and trust me...there are girls in lebanon that look just as good as her. itz amazing. all should go to Beirut,Lebanon and party away with the amazing girls! GO JOUMANA! Posted by Ayman on January 16, 2003 7:56 PM Jason Kidd's children are ugly though. Posted by Julianne Johnson on January 17, 2003 4:56 PM They are not ugly. They are as cute as any other little kid is. Posted by on January 18, 2003 7:09 PM I hope Jason acts the way he did on MTV's Diary in real life when the cameras are not there. He acted the way a good father/husband is supposed to act. I hope it wasn't just to make his image look good. If it was sincere, his family should be very proud of him for turning things around in his life. Posted by Kim on January 18, 2003 7:18 PM jason kidd is so hott i love his eyes and his wife is so pretty but tj looks kinda wierd he has like a big forhead or something... but anywayz much lov to the nets and jasons family... Posted by Precious on January 19, 2003 9:28 PM TJ's head is kinda big... Maybe he has water on the brain or something... I think you can have that drained. He seems healthy though, so maybe he just has a big head. Posted by on January 21, 2003 4:44 PM jasonkidds wife is hot as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i like her.jason is my dog Posted by manny pagan on January 23, 2003 7:47 PM TJ has a basketball head! Posted by Hoops Guru on January 23, 2003 9:33 PM TJ looks like eddie munster Posted by on January 24, 2003 12:56 AM It would finally take Jason Kidd becoming a lottery pick before Joumana came around and finally gave Kidd some play. Back in the days in the Bay Area, Jason got no love from Joumana when she came back in town from Arizona State. Jason Kidd then becomes a lottery pick with millions up the wazoo and Joumana, like any other woman, can is giving Kidd "groupie love." Posted by Heartbreaker on February 4, 2003 11:41 AM Joumana started dating Jason in 1996, 2 years after he got drafted. If she was only interested in the money, she would have started dating him two years earlier in 1994. I think she went to San Diego State. Posted by on February 5, 2003 3:11 PM Im arab and Im way hotter than Joumana Kidd! She looks like a beast next to me. Call me 408-836-3752 Posted by Pepe on February 7, 2003 8:33 PM jason kidd is the best damn pg in the league! he could be the best ever, except for th fact that he has never really had any hall of famer besside him.and his wife is beutiful.dont talk about him he has changed his life around!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO NETS Posted by joel y. on March 1, 2003 5:03 PM the nets are playing horrible lately and jason looks like he isn't trying too hard anymore. :( Posted by kim on March 5, 2003 10:35 PM i just saw jKidd play against the spurs. the spurs beat the nets really bad. while jKidd is the best pg in the league, tonyParker is right there behind him. once, jKidd comes to sa-Spurs in the off season, he will join tParker to form the best backcourt in the league. And with timDuncan, they will be the best team in the league. out. p.s. it'll be nice to sit next to his wife at the home games...she's beautiful Posted by warrick on March 6, 2003 11:40 PM I disagree with Kidd and Parker being the best back court in the league. Kidd is not a shooting guard. A shooting guard needs to be a scorer and that is not what Jason does best. He excells at his natural position. I don't think that those two could coexist in the back court. Posted by Anonymous on March 7, 2003 12:55 AM You can't assume that they would be the best team in the league. Kobe and Shaq are the best 1-2 punch in the league and look what place they are in. Posted by miah on March 7, 2003 12:57 AM Jason Kidd is a god. His wife is so lucky and I think people who keep talking about his kid are cruel. Little TJ has a medical problem which is the reason why his head is big. Other than that he's a great little kid who looks up to his daddy. And if he turns out to be 1/4 of what his dad is he will be great! God bless the Kidd family and may Jason Kidd stay in NJ forever. I love you Jason! I love you Nets!!! Posted by Karina on March 14, 2003 4:57 PM Joumana has always been a money chaser..since the beginning. Posted by DG on March 18, 2003 6:07 PM What makes you say that DG? Posted by Anonymous on March 19, 2003 4:20 PM What makes you say that DG? Posted by Anonymous on March 19, 2003 4:20 PM His wife is beautiful....she's 5'5"....i don't think so, she looks taller. Posted by Kiddo on March 21, 2003 12:47 PM That's cause she's always wearing those massive heels... She's about 5'5" Posted by Anonymous on March 21, 2003 4:06 PM how old is joumana kidd. Posted by anonymous on March 22, 2003 5:16 AM She's 30. She'll be 31 on September 28th. Posted by Anonymous on March 25, 2003 7:07 PM Forget what race Jourmana is, what race is Jason Kidd? Posted by Jack the Ripper on April 4, 2003 1:14 AM Jason is half black, half white. His mother is Irish Catholic (That's where he gets those beautiful blue green eyes.) His father is a black baptist. Posted by on April 6, 2003 7:03 PM who are Jason's other kids. He never talks about them, especially his first son. Posted by Kamala on April 7, 2003 12:31 AM Jason has a 4 year old son, TJ, and twin daughters, 1 year old Miah and Jazelle, with his wife, Joumana. He has a 9 year old son, Jason, from a so-called "one-night stand" with a United Airlines clerk from San Francisco named Alexandria Brown. Kidd does not have custody of Jason, Jr. and that is why you never hear about him. Posted by kim on April 8, 2003 3:49 PM "Joumana has always been a money chaser..since the beginning" That sounds Lebanese to me! :) Posted by bubba on April 14, 2003 1:01 AM I heard horrible rumors that Jason Kidd is leaving the NETS after this season. Please someone tell me it isn't so. I am already crying. Posted by Karina on April 16, 2003 4:10 PM Joumana Kidd is hot as hell, Jason Kidd is one lucky dude to go home to that every night. Posted by Joe on April 16, 2003 8:40 PM Karina, Jason has not made up his mind as to whether or not he is staying with the Nets after this year. I think he wants to see how far the Nets go in the playoffs this year first before he makes any final decision. He will most likely either stay in NJ or go to San Antonio. He has the option to do whatever he chooses but he has to wait until July 1 before he can sign any contract with the Nets or another team. I'm hoping that he stays with the Nets as well. Posted by on April 17, 2003 6:14 PM Joumana Kidd is so damn HOT!!! and SEXY!!! i wouldn't mind being her love/sex slave any day. Heck i'll give up my life for that job;until she starts getting old looking ofcourse. Then i'll move on to service either Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera. God i wish Joumana,Britney,and Christina posed for Playboy. Posted by Vitamin K on April 19, 2003 3:50 PM Damn I never knew Joumana Kidd is Middle Eastern!!!! So where is she from? And what city in the Bay Area is Jason Kidd from? Oakland? Posted by Kevin C on April 19, 2003 9:20 PM Joumana's from Foster City, California, near San Francisco. Jason's from Alameda, CA, a suburb of Oakland. Posted by on April 19, 2003 10:57 PM How do you guys know all this stuff? Ya'll must be pretty big fans. Anyway thanks bro Posted by Kevin C on April 20, 2003 1:22 AM Jason is a good thing for the Nets. I know that he will stay. plus joumana has a budding career with television. Why would she want to go to SA? Her happiness will factor into his decision to stay or not. As for her ethnicity...thanks guys for the info. I thought she was puerto rican. Posted by NetsLuva on April 21, 2003 12:00 PM jason keep doin your thing. you are THE BEST POINT GUARD IN THE LEAGUE. show your critics that you can take the nets to the finals 2 years in a row.jason please stay????!!!!!!!!!!!! you are my favorite player and a great role model!!! your wife is beutiful and your son is so cute... i pattern my whole game after you and am averaging a triple-double for my aau team Posted by Joel Y, on April 21, 2003 5:18 PM I just have to say thanks to everyone who answers my questions in here. You are all so great! And for all you guys who want Joumanna as a sex slave I say keep dreaming. I highly doubt she's going to cheat on Jason with anyone in this entire Universe. I know I wouldn't... By the way, Jason if you ever want a sex slave you can count on me! Not only do I have no limits but I'm also extremely Kinky! I love you Jason Kid.................. Posted by Karina on April 23, 2003 11:52 AM Yeah I also thought Joumana is Puerto Rican. Guess I was wrong She probably is a gold digger like someone said earlier. Posted by Ryan on April 30, 2003 4:02 PM If she was a gold digger, I think she would have left Kidd a long time ago, like after their domestic abuse incident. Posted by Anonymous on May 1, 2003 5:24 PM karina-you are a moron, kidd seems like a cool guy but he beat his wife, which is not cool...i wouldn't call him a god unless you like getting your ass kicked Posted by what an idiot on May 6, 2003 10:49 PM Stop sweating him so hard! Damn, you act like the man found the cure to cancer or created world peace. He just plays basketball and makes a lot of money for it. His wife looks good, but you don't know if she's a b*tch in person. Hey for all I know, she could have herpes. 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Posted by Matt on May 9, 2003 8:03 PM is jason kidd black or white? Posted by matt on May 9, 2003 10:03 PM Jason is half black, half white. Posted by Anonymous on May 10, 2003 12:16 AM does anybody know how jason kidd's first son named jason looks like. Posted by anonymous on May 11, 2003 5:54 AM Jkidd is the best PG in the NBA, no doubt about it. and for his family, all of ya should mind your own business. No need for everyone up in his ass about his personal life Posted by Zen on May 12, 2003 5:00 PM The fans have a right to know if Kidd is sleeping with another woman. Actually, his wife has the right to know if her husband is sleeping with another woman. I just hope it's not true. Posted by Anonymous on May 12, 2003 5:45 PM What'd you say about being up Jason's ass? You think he's sleeping with a guy? Posted by Mario on May 13, 2003 4:02 AM does anybody know how jason kidd's first child named jason looks like. i would just like to know because i never see him with jason Posted by anonymous on May 13, 2003 8:46 PM I don't know what he looks like. Jason probably doesn't even know what he looks like. I only know that he is 9 years old. Jason does not have custody of his first son and the kid lives on the other side of the country. That is why you never see him with Jason. Kidd barely knew the mother of his first son and they got into a few heated battles about child support payments. Kidd also denied that he was the father of this child for a while after he was born. It was just a stupid and immature mistake, typical college-age behavior that Jason seems to want to forget. He moved on and got married and started a family that he can be proud of. Posted by Anonymous on May 13, 2003 11:34 PM Yeah, Jason did a lot of stupid things during his college years. I am glad he seems to have finally turned his life around after coming to NJ. He seems like a good person that is very devoted to his family. Posted by Anonymous on May 13, 2003 11:37 PM That is, of course, if the rumor about Jason Kidd sleeping with Mateen Cleave's girlfriend isn't true. I can't imagine him doing that, though. Posted by Anonymous on May 13, 2003 11:40 PM is jason, jr's (son from first relationship)mother black? also is mateen cleaves girlfriend black? Posted by Kaliste on May 14, 2003 6:49 PM how do ya'll know all this stuff about jason and joumana kidd? Posted by amelia on May 15, 2003 12:55 PM where did you hear the rumor about jkidd sleeping with anothe women? Posted by tasha on May 15, 2003 12:58 PM Jason Jr's mother, Alexandria Brown of the San Francisco area, is black. I have never seen Mateen Cleave's girlfriend. Posted by Anonymous on May 15, 2003 10:06 PM Amelia, I have been following Kidd for years. You tend to learn tons of things about him when you follow him for so long. Posted by Anonymous on May 15, 2003 10:08 PM Tasha, do you see the posts above that were removed? They were started by a man who claimed that Kidd slept with Mateen Cleave's girlfriend in Chicago this April. At first his story sounded fake, but he provided additional information that started to convince me otherwise. I hope it's not true... I am a huge Kidd fan and I do not believe that he would ever do something like this after what he and his wife went through to be together today. I did happen to save the comments made about Kidd's alleged affair before they were removed, and if you would like them, I could email them to you if you provide an address. Posted by Anonymous on May 15, 2003 10:16 PM Thank you for explaining and i would love to know what the article said my email should be on the bottom of my post. Posted by tasha on May 16, 2003 11:39 AM www.rasberry35022@yahoo.com Posted by tasha on May 16, 2003 11:40 AM who is manteen cleave? Posted by carmen on May 16, 2003 11:43 AM Carmen, he's on the Sacramento Kings. Posted by Anonymous on May 16, 2003 12:02 PM thank you for sending me the article I hope its not true either he seems like a Honorable man and joumana kidd is so pretty why would he cheat but then again why would Eric Benet cheat on halle berry whos was named the most beautiful person in the world by people magazine. I guess having a pretty face only can take you so far? Posted by tasha on May 16, 2003 5:25 PM all I have to say about jason kidd is that he is fake as all get out. This man puts on a front everyday.He suppose to be this devoted father and loving husband but wheres the devotion to his first born son who he never talks about i mean the boy probaly is growing up hating him because even though he was his first born he's probaly feels like second best if best at all since tj taken his place. and what so loving when you pop your wife in the face in front of your child and you can't tell me that was the first time he ever did it joumana said so her self. Posted by carmen on May 16, 2003 5:38 PM well if the story is true then i'am not surprise.Back in the day when jkidd was playing in dallas he was known to be a lady's man he loved road trips and i think you know what im getting at.It was said when jim jackson and jason got into a feud jason was "Flirting" and say really naughty things to jim jackson's girlfriend in his prescence and jason kidd then fiancee which may have been joumana. Jackson supposedly got mad and told jkidd girlfriend that Jason got another girl pregnant and not to be shock if a paternity suit was filed. jkidd got mad blah blah blah and never spoke to him again.But everyone thinks it was about Toni Braxton which is not true. Posted by Anonymous on May 17, 2003 1:11 PM Joumana is not all that beautiful i'll say she is pretty but home girl need to put some meat on her bones Posted by Anonymous on May 17, 2003 1:30 PM Has anyone seen a picture of Alexsandria Brown? Posted by Tasha on May 17, 2003 4:18 PM I think Jason has an obligation to at least mention his first born son. He doesnt even acknowledge him on his bio. I think that is real chicken s***! I don't care if it was a so called "1 night stand" he still should accept responsibility once it was confirmed that it was his child. That child should not have to suffer because of his parents being irresponsible. I think he is a great player but no respect for him or his wife for not acknowledging his son or trying to establish a relationship and letting her children know they have siblings. Joumanna is just as much to blame. Posted by mb on May 17, 2003 7:01 PM Jason wasn't dating Joumana at all when he played in Dallas. He didn't start going out with her until September of 1996. Kidd didn't get engaged to Joumana until Christmas Eve of 1996. Two days later, he got traded to Phoenix. Kidd supposedly did ask some girl to marry him while he was in Dallas, but it was not Joumana. Obviously, Kidd was acting immaturely, asking some girl to marry him that he didn't love and really wasn't interested in. Of course Kidd was a lady's man in Dallas... What young guy right out of college isn't?? Lots of guys argue over women when they are young and a lot of guys sleep with a lot of girls when they are young. They are immature and stupid and don't really know what they want out of life yet. You can't be mad at Kidd for acting like any normal 21 year old would act. Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 12:14 PM Yeah, when Kidd started dating Joumana, he started to settle down a lot more. He seems very devoted to her. Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 12:19 PM well acting like a horny 21 year old is one thing bringing a child into this world is another.I don't expect jason to be a saint nor do i think he is.But when you have a child you have to be responsible regardless of the circumstances.no child should suffer for there parents iresponsibility.I have been a big fan of jkidd since he drafted in 94 but give me a break.I have never once heard him acknowledge his first son.I hope he grows up a big basketball star and show his father what he missed out on.No credit to him i guarantee that. Posted by Ty on May 18, 2003 3:37 PM why did jason and his first fiancee break there engagement? Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 3:42 PM I heard the reason for the feud between Jason and Jackson was that Jason was dating a girl from salt and pepper,I think spinderella,But anyway at the same time he was dating jim jackson's sister and of course big brother got mad once he found out his boy was cheating on his sister.I thought it would i have been interesting to know since everyone wants to know about jkidd past transgressions. Posted by K.D. on May 18, 2003 3:51 PM lets leave Jason past to rest.He obviously has changed otherwise he wouldn't be on top of his game right now.We don't know if he doesn't have a relationship with his son or not.He could be very involved for all we know maybe his mother doesn't want him in the spotlight.And as far as jason cheating on joumana I seriosly doubt it.Why would he take such a risk of losing his family a second time.i think he loves joumana and if he doesn't i think he wouldn't take the risk of having to split his millions. Posted by tasha on May 18, 2003 4:03 PM I believe jason would cheat on joumana because i believe he is bitter that she had him lock up.Do you really want to finish your career known to having a squeaky clean image to good guy goes bad.Who wants to be called wifebeater every where you go. Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 4:09 PM Jason's engagement to his first so-called fiance, was just a stupid, immature move on Jason's part. He was too young and stupid to understand what he was getting into. Jason wasn't ready to settle down with just one woman, especially one he was not really interested in, which is why they broke it off. Jason also drank a lot back in the day... I remember reading in the local paper about how Jason asked some girl to marry him the next day in Las Vegas when he was really drunk in college. He just did stupid things. Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 9:18 PM You guys have to realize that Jason does not have custody of his first son. He's not allowed to just spend time with Jason Jr whenever he wants. Jason Jr's mother would not allow Kidd to have custody his first son and at this point, I doubt she would even let Kidd see him even if he wanted to. They had some heated battles over things like child support and I don't think they are on good terms at all. In fact, they might not be on any terms anymore. So don't completely blame Kidd for not being in close contact with his first child. Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 9:25 PM Jason has mentioned that the best thing to ever happen to him and his family was when Joumana called the police and got him arrested. This completely turned his life around. He was finally able to realize how much his family means to him and he knew he had to change in over to keep his family together. He has reached a new level of maturity because of the arrest. There is no way that Kidd is bitter over that. I doubt he would cheat on his wife either. And the only people that seem to call him a wifebeater anymore are the bitter Boston fans. He doesn't care what the public thinks of him, he just cares about what his family thinks of him. Posted by Anonymous on May 18, 2003 9:31 PM Hey can someone (anonymous)send me the article or posting that they have on the mateen cleaves girlfriend-jason kidd thing. I'd really appreciate it. also does anyone have any info on Carmelo Anthony? I think he's hot, hot, hot!!!! Thanks, Posted by Molise Kniese on May 19, 2003 12:55 PM I hate to beat a dead horse but I am blaming Jason. If he really wanted a relationship with his son, believe me he could have it regardless of the mother or not. He has just a much right as she does and the court will grant him that. And Joumanna should fight that with him. Even if he feels it is too hard he still doesnt even acknowledge him. I have seen numerous interviews when he talks about his family and never mentions Jason Jr. I think Jason has grown a lot but no respect for him and his wife on the family tip. Joumanna is very self centered. By the way when he married Joumanna it was a Vegas type thing as well. He called his boys the day after they got married and said he was married. Word has it the real wedding was later. Posted by mb on May 19, 2003 1:14 PM Well I think joumana intentions on marrying jason were not all pure definetly not all about love. who marries some body after 4 months of dating?when jason first met joumana he was a freshman in college and and was a big star in his home town.Joumana from what i heard had the oppurtunity to date him then but was sayed to been dating some well none muisican who was already bringing in the money.only when jason became a well known ball player did she give in to his advances.Bottom line joumana is a gold digger and jason is a dead beat dad. they make the perfect couple. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:02 PM Okay well if the reason for him not mentioning his first son because of baby mama drama why in the world does he rarely talk about his twin daughters? All i see is joumana and tj. in the magazines in the newspaper on web sites. why doesn't j and his wifey include there daughters in their parade of family togetherness? Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:10 PM well that thing about jason cheating with a players girlfriend i totally believe. The story seem to acurate and on point to just be made up on the spur of the moment.The dates were correct and the teams were in those towns that he mentioned.To some one making it up its too well contrived.I'Am from alabama Lets just hope it doen't turn into one of those mike price things Which also started from an internet post which turned out to be true as we all know. Posted by carl on May 19, 2003 4:20 PM According to Joumana, Jason and she tied the knot after only about 4 months of dating in February 1997 because her mother did not think it was a good idea to move to Arizona to live with a guy that wasn't her husband. I have also heard that the Phoenix Suns only allowed wives on the plane, not fiancees, which could be another reason to convince them to marry early. They had a real wedding in August, which is probably when they were planning on getting married in the first place. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:35 PM what did joumana had to offer jason to finally make him settle down? besides her good looks. Posted by J.J on May 19, 2003 4:35 PM Actually it was probably closer to 6 months of dating. That's not that short. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:38 PM man jason is whoop.Joumana made him into her little puppet so she could do what ever she like.She changed the way he dressed the way he talked made him ditch some of his old friends and the music he listen to that sounds p***y whoop to me. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:43 PM I don't think you hear about Jason's daughters as much because they don't go to a lot of the games. (They do go to some). They are only 1 and bringing them along with TJ to games would be a big hassle. Can you imagine having three kids there under the age of 4 that don't really know what is going on anyway? Not to mention that they are girls and probably won't like basketball when they grow up. It is not like Jason and Joumana don't care about them, have you seen their basement recently? They set up the cutest exercise area for the girls in the basement, with slides and mats. It's adorable, they have tons of toys. They aren't ignored. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:43 PM what was his first fiancee name and how did she look like? Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 4:47 PM well couldn't he bring his older son to some games just so he won't feel neglected Posted by ash on May 19, 2003 4:51 PM MB, why do you think Joumana is self-centered?? To me, she is just the opposite. She seems to always put other people before herself. She does so much for her kids and her husband. Do you see all the toys her kids have?? And their little play houses in the backyard that she had made for them?? I don't think a lot of people's moms would do that kind of stuff for their kids no matter how much money they have. Jason doesn't mention his first son because he never sees him and does not have custody of him. I don't think it would be very easy to get custody of him either. I think the boy's mother pressed charges on Kidd on more than one occasion. (She accused him of abusing her I believe, which was supposedly just to get more money from Kidd). Also, Kidd probably would not want to disrupt his close, tight-knit family by bringing another child into the picture... As hard as it is for the kid, it is hard for the family as well. It is probably just a reminder of Kidd's bad past. And who's to say that Jason Jr's mother didn't marry so that the kid could have a father and maybe be adopted by this man?? The kid could be extremely happy and could be adopted for all we know. Jason might not want to disrupt that either. The kid would think he has two fathers or something. We just don't know the whole story. Don't be so quick to blame Kidd. A lot of kids grow up without a biological parent and it doesn't bother them. It just happens. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 5:00 PM Joumana offered Kidd all her love and support. She gave him good advice so that he could make more intelligent, mature decisions. She cared about him and offered her input so that he wasn't being steered in the wrong direction. She suggested to Kidd that he change his agent and ditch some of his friends that were trouble makers and were looking to take advantage of Kidd. It's not all about looks, I think she's a good person inside. Even today, she says that all decisions about Kidd's future are entirely on him, but that she will always be there to support him. I hope everyone can find a wife that is as supportive as she is. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 5:10 PM carl, you sound a lot like bob who made those posts... maybe you are bob Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 5:12 PM For the person who asked why I think Joumanna's self centered, heres to you. In your response I see why you don't think she's self centered. TOYS are a sign of her being giving to others?? They have the money. She not a stupid girl by far, she knows what to do to keep the man happy, take care of his son he acknowledges by the woman who has him whupped!! Posted by mb on May 19, 2003 6:17 PM Also if his baby's mom claimed he abused her, it wasn't to get more money. Uh can we all say, "I hit Joumanna in Arizona over french fries", together please? His track record doesnt make it look too surprising that maybe, uh, he really DID hit her. I don't know just a thought. Posted by mb on May 19, 2003 6:21 PM mb, I sense that you are not a Jason Kidd fan at all. It's not just toys. Have you ever seen their house?? She doesn't just buy toys at the store and throw them in a pile somewhere. Joumana hired a contractor to build miniature houses for the kids to play in the backyard. That takes a lot of thought and planning. I don't know any other mother that would spend the time doing that for their kids. She also had a mini replica of the Net's court built in the basement for TJ to play on. She had a whole exercise area set up for the girls. Things like that are more personal and thoughtful. It's not just going to a store and buying a doll. It makes it seem like she goes out of her way to make her kids happy. If Joumana wanted her name and face out there, she would have married a movie star, or a singer, or at least a more famous basketball player in a prominent area. With her looks, she could have gotten anyone. Jason wasn't exactly one of the top players in the NBA at the time and surely he wasn't in a premier market in Arizona. Joumana was not going to get her face and name out there by sitting at basketball games in Phoenix. There was obviously more to it... oh yeah, love. And by the way, it's one 'n' in Joumana. Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2003 8:24 PM Well you are obviously a Joumana and Jason fan. (I really could care less how many n's are in her name). Look the lady has the money to do all that and there are plenty of stars out there that have done that but don't have it all over TV to make it look better for them. There are alot of pretty women out there. And since she has married Jason is when she was able to do her broadcasting thing. Again I tip my hat to her, she is using her resources wisely. I think now, yes, her and Jason are very in love, but that was over the years and him maturing. At first I don't think it was a relationship built on love. Posted by mb on May 20, 2003 12:15 PM 1 more think Jason/Joumana fan (by the way you must be a friend of Joumana or something), Jason was a top player, he left college after his sophomore year and was one of the top picks. He was the shiznit at Cal, so obviously you are not a true basketball fan. By what you are saying is making Joumana look like more of a gold digger, your kind of contradicting yourself. By your recollection she waited until he did make a name for himself in the nba until she snatched him. You might want to ask Joumana if Jason has any friends. Posted by mb on May 20, 2003 12:21 PM I think Joumana Love for the camera is a little to much.I mean she is constantely stoping and posing for pictures.She always got reporters at her house for interviews.She demand to come in the backway of the arena where the players come in for some odd reason and anytime a sports caster calls to talk to jason she always ask them in her own words " are you sure you don't want an interview?" she's intoxicated with the celebrity life style a little to much. Posted by mutha on May 20, 2003 1:38 PM No i'am not And who is bob anyway.I read the post before it was taken down and it just seems to organized to be a made up story.Your living in a fantasy world if you think jason wouldn't cheat on his wife.There are plenty of beautiful women beside joumana so please don't give me that faithful crap.especially since he spends more time on the roads than at home.I'm not saying all B ballers cheat.But im saying you should expect alot of things from a man who beats his wife Posted by carl on May 20, 2003 1:54 PM who is always coming to joumana Defense you act like the women is mother theresa or somthing like that.I mean you correcting anyone who spells her name wrong.I mean i think you are in love with joumana or something.But let me ask you something how well do you know joumana kidd.Looks can be decieving and maybe she is not all that perfect.Anybody can put an image of some kind. look and christina aquilara.One minute she a saint the next x-tina?? not saying joumana is not a nice women but don't put her up on pedistal if you don't no this women on a personal level.The media can play tricks on you so don't pout when she turns to be a Female dog Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 2:02 PM anybody can build mini houses and playgrounds or whatever crap you say she put time and effort on.If you saw russel simmons house he and his wife build a miniture castle for their daughter.I don't like joumana Because she is stupid to stay with man who spat at her chased her up the stairs harasses her calls her a bitch and beats her.On top of that in front of their son.I don't like jason because he has a past of being abusive to women.He was abusive to his own wife.Doesn't acknowledge his first son and seems to think it won't effect him.Like the other person sayed his name is jason jr. he 9 years old and probably aware of the situation how can you think its okay for a son not to know his real father i'm pretty sure he sees him on tv all the time don't you think that effects him. what do you think people say when he ackowledges his other children but not him.I bet it hurts knowing your father doesn't seem to give a damn about you. No matter the circumstances you always put the child first and there are ways to do it Posted by carl on May 20, 2003 2:25 PM The kid is 9 for goodness sakes. He could easily have a father figure in his life that he thinks is his own dad. When you're that little, you don't think about things like who your real father is. You just assume that the man taking care of you with your mom is your dad. Kids that age don't even know where babies come from, so a biological parent to them is no different than any acting parent in their life. I can speak from experience... I adopted my wife's 10 year old daughter after her real dad left the family when she was 3. She's only 10 and she thinks I am her real father. When she gets a little older, my wife and I will tell her that I am not her real dad and I will leave it up to her to decide if she wants to meet with him or not. She is oblivious to the situation and perfectly content and I bet little Jason is, too. Leave Kidd alone. He does not have to mention a child from a previous relationship that he does not have custody of and does not keep in contact with in interviews. He does not owe that to the fans. If Jason is asked about his family and he mentions Jason, Jr, that will open up a can of worms. The media will be asking, "Why doesn't he go to games? Why is he never seen?", which will lead to, "Who's the mother?", "Where does he live?", "Why don't you have custody?", etc. I don't think Kidd wants to get into that. It's a private matter that's none of our business and does not have to be brought up. If he wants to keep the kid out of the spotlight, than that is the right thing to do, especially if he is never in contact with the boy. Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 4:12 PM Um, mb, Jason Jr is mentioned on Jason's nba.com biography. Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 4:16 PM Yeah, mb, I am a true basketball fan. When Joumana finally agreed to date Kidd in 1996 (she wouldn't go out with him for four years because she thought he was arrogant, which he was), Jason was on the Dallas Mavericks, who were experiencing another miserable, losing season without making the playoffs. Also, Kidd was on the trading block. He definitely wasn't a superstar, not anywhere near one of the top 10 players in the NBA. He was indeed a superstar in high school and at Cal, but that was when Joumana wouldn't go near him. If Joumana was only waiting for Kidd to make some good money, she would have hitched up with him in 1994 when he came into the league, but she didn't because she wanted a husband that would love her, not a guy that thinks the world revolves around him. Joumana also could not have known how great of a player Kidd was going to become in this league. He could have ended up like any other scrub in the NBA that always fights with coaches and teammates and gets traded every six months. (Which seemed for a while to be where he was headed). Joumana could not have predicted in her wildest dreams that she would end up in NJ with tons of media opportunies. Both Joumana and Jason were so sure that they were gonna be in Phoenix for the rest of Kidd's career, where the market is not all that great. If you think Joumana had planned a path to stardom through Kidd, than that is just dumb. Joumana mentioned this past week that the people in the entertainment business could not give a damn that she is married to Kidd and a lot of them don't even know who he is. Like I said, she has dated singers, pro athletes, and other famous people before that had more fame and money than Kidd, but she chose Jason instead. She had plenty of 'resources' as you call them, but she chose Jason, a young kid that was already having tons of problems with his first NBA team. Yeah, mb, he was making a name for himself in the NBA... immature, selfish, and very hard to get along with. The TV cameras go to the Kidd house because they want to to make their shows better, not because Joumana calls and makes them come. And am I a friend with the Kidd family?? Perhaps... let's just say that I know them on a more personal level than the general public does. They are good people. I think you guys have trouble believing that famous NBA players and their families can be good people that don't need to cheat on their spouses. Kidd has changing so much since he hit his wife. He felt absolutely terrible about it and promised he would to anything to change and become a better person, which he has done. He has matured so much. It is admirable that he worked so hard through his marrital troubles and didn't just take the easy way out by getting a divorce like most guys do... He made a mistake, he hit his wife, and he is going to spend the rest of his life making it up to her. Just because you get angry at someone and then get violent and bad-tempered with that person, doesn't mean that you don't love that person. Kidd didn't know how to control his anger and he took is out on his family without thinking. It happens... some people just have bad tempers and only know how to relieve themselves by getting violent. But with counseling and help, a person can change. Kidd is not a bad guy and deserved that second chance to prove to his wife how much he loved her. Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 4:58 PM First thank you carl. Posted by mb on May 20, 2003 6:56 PM I think it was explained in an above post why they married so quick. Someone above wrote this: "According to Joumana, Jason and she tied the knot after only about 4 months of dating in February 1997 because her mother did not think it was a good idea to move to Arizona to live with a guy that wasn't her husband. I have also heard that the Phoenix Suns only allowed wives on the plane, not fiancees, which could be another reason to convince them to marry early. They had a real wedding in August, which is probably when they were planning on getting married in the first place." Oh yeah, it takes two people to agree to a marriage. They chose eachother. There are plently of other rich, famous guys that would have been happy with Joumana. She dated plently of famous people. Still, it is ridiculous to assume that Joumana thought she was going to become a media darling by marrying a basketball player that plays in Dallas and Phoenix. Sure, Kidd's stats were nice and he had talent but you could not have predicted that he would reach such a superstar level, expecially after the way he was acting in Dallas. The bottom line is that you're just not going to get recognized at a Suns basketball game, Joumana knew this. Just cause the kid's name has a jr at the end of it, doesn't mean that he is called Jason, Jr. I think everyone has been saying that here to prevent confusion between the two Jason's. The kid probably has no idea who is father is, and I bet his mother wouldn't tell him. It's not like he's sitting in front of the tv watching Nets games crying because Jason Kidd never talks about him. That's absurd. That kid has no idea who Jason Kidd is and probably doesn't understand the situation anyway. Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 9:56 PM Joumana refused to date Kidd for over TWO years after he got drafted. She didn't care how rich and famous he was, she didn't like his attitude... he was arrogant and he thought the world revolved around him. Posted by Anonymous on May 20, 2003 10:03 PM Go to www.nba.com. Click on players, Kidd's name, and then Bio... Go all the way down to Personal. There it says: "Jason has one son, Jason and he and his wife, Joumana, have one son, Trey (TJ), and two twin daughters, Miah and Jazelle." Okay? There a mention of Jason Jr, which you have been begging for. Have you gone through a similar experience or something?? You seem very passionate about it so maybe you know what it's like. But, you really have to be in the situation to know what it is like. You try explaining to a 9 year old what a biological father is... impossible. You try telling a 9 year old that he must get on a plane for 6 hours to spend time with strangers on the other side of the country. That would scare and confuse the kid more than anything. You do not put that kind of pressure on a young kid that needs to be in a stable environment. As long as the kid has someone taking care of him, he'll be fine. If you don't tell him about being without a real dad, he won't question it at such a young age. I can assure you this because I am in the same situation with my adopted daughter. At this point, it would be wrong to have her real dad in the picture at the same time and I wouldn't want to put her in that situation. It also does not help that Kidd's living conditions are far from solid. In two months, he could be in NJ, or Texas, or California, or Colorado, who knows... How can you have a kid visit your home when you aren't even sure about the location of your own home?? Maybe it could work out when the child gets older, but for now, let him be, don't pull him in two different directions. Look at the big picture, it's not as easy as you think. I understand what you are saying, but Kidd cannot change his lifestyle enough right now to accomodate this kid (like by quitting the NBA so that he can be in California permanently and close to this child). It's not fair to Kidd's family. Kidd most likely has thought this all out and has good intentions so don't worry. End of story. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 12:17 AM Well everyone has their own opinion. I respect everybody elses opinion. No I havent been through a similiar situation but I know people who have. Nobody knows exactly what the situation is so there is really nothing more to talk about. I still don't feel that it was her parents influence nor being able to ride on the team jet that made her decide to marry Kidd. Nobody is saying he has to give up basketball to spend time with his son, that silly, he could still spend some time off with his son. Also Joumana as a mom could get him and bring him to spend time. Your making it seem like a 9 year old is clueless. My son is 7 and when he was 3 he knew the difference between his father, who couldn't come around that often because he lived out of state, and my boyfriend who takes care of him the way a father should. He loves both and I don't think it is my place to change that. Children have a right to at least know who their real parents are. I wouldn't want him to grow into his teens wondering why his mother never told him who his real dad was so he can grow to resent me. If the childrens fathers are no good, the kids will see that in due time, but I feel don't take knowing their real parents from them to protect them because it could be detrimental in the long run, even if everyone has good intentions. Hopefully you all can agreee. If not oh well. Posted by mb on May 21, 2003 12:05 PM To sum everything up, you do what you want to do, you prioritize what you want. Posted by mb on May 21, 2003 12:15 PM I agree a 100% with mb.Its ridiculous to think that that boy doesn't have a clue who his father is and if you think that then your crazy.My little sister knew what sex was by the time she was 7.this isn't the 1950 where every one is hush hush wake up its 2003 and kids these age are sexually active know about drugs anything you couldn't imagine children know these days.especially a 9 year old.Its not any of or business what kidd does but all I can say I was in that situation.My stepfather raised me when I was three my real father was in the military and had remarried. he lived in korea and for the longest i thought my stepfather was my real dad.When i was nine i found a old letter of when my mother and father where dating then i found old documents of an old paternity suit which my father was questioning my paternity just to hurt my mother even then i knew what that meant.I ask my mother what it all meant and she told me that my stepfather wasn't my real father and that he lived over seas with his wife and twin sons.You can't imagine the hurt it caused me to believe all these years he was my father and ended up being a lie.I would had loved to know my biological father and my brothers but he was always to busy or thought it would disturb his family.Don't you know it hurts to feel that your not wanted by your own father it sure hurt me so i can imagine how his son may feel. Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 3:58 PM Adding on to what i was saying don't you think it's kind of sad that its okay for Jason kidd son not to know who he is.Jason is part of his idendity you can't change that by throwing another man into the mix.Whether he has another man who is his father figure doesn't change the fact jason is his real dad.If jason didn't want a baby he should have kept his pants up or at least protect himself.It works both ways not saying that the mother is not at fault but Jason is the one who seems not to notice that he helped create life nothing can change that and his son shouldn't be punished for his parents mistakes.Another thing Jason kidd is a great ball player But you can't excuse the fact of what he did two years ago and what he probaly had been doing for a while.That incident didn't happen once out of a blue moon it sound like it had been happening for a while.So please don't give me that crap about jason being a saint and joumana being the most wonderful wife.There are women out there prostituting themselves just so there children can eat.hock there jewelery just they'll have gifts under a christmas tree.Im glad joumana likes spoiling her children with gifts but it takes money to do it and you can't tell me that the kidd name didn't help her jump start her career.There are better men than jason who may not have the money or power but would never hit the mother of his children and to me that what makes a great man. Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 4:33 PM As a children's psychologist who has worked with many children of separated homes, I would like to say a few things. Maybe, mb, your child is a genius or at least abnormally intelligent. Maybe you are overestimating your 3 year old's ability to understand the difference between his real dad and your boyfriend. Yeah, maybe he calls him dad, but does he really know what that means? Probably not. 3 year olds don't know what it means to be out of state either. He probably considers his real dad to be sort of like what a kid would consider to be his uncle... Someone that isn't around as much. He may call him dad, but your boyfriend is more of a father figure. When children get into their teens, they don't remember most of what they were told as youngsters. I am not saying that parents should never tell their children who their real parents are, they most definitely should, but it is not absolutely critical to inform them at such a young age. In fact, it can even be beneficial in some circumstances. It's okay for parents to wait until their children are old enough to tell them about biological parents so that they can fully understand what is going on. It's not a bad thing. The child can then be more comfortable in a situation of having to be with two families, so that he doesn't feel like he's being torn into two pieces. (A lot of kids feel like that when they have to be at two homes. A lot of kids even rebel against this and wonder why they can't just stay in one place like all of their friends.) It all depends on your family situation. You have to remember, Kidd does not have a normal life like you and me. In his case, it would be nearly impossible for him to arrange a situation that would be comfortable for Jason Jr unless he lives near the child in California (Which he doesn't and won't until at least after he finishes with the NBA. Even then, who knows.) Do you think Jason Jr will really be comfortable with having Joumana, who he doesn't know, pick him up and bring him across the country to spend time with someone else he doesn't know?? He will be so confused and upset. It's not really fair to put a young child through that. And it was mentioned before that Jason does not have custody of this child and cannot just pick him up when he wants. And the court will not grant that custody until Kidd can prove that he will be living in some type of permanent living condition (which he can't). If Jason does intend to just wait until Jason Jr is a little older so that he can fully comprehend the situation, then I commend him. If not, then maybe there is another reason that we don't know about, you never know. I cannot fault Kidd for how he is handling the situation (even though I don't know what the whole story is exactly.) Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 4:46 PM that something that should have have been dealt with once he fond out he was the father so i m sorry i don't commend jason in the way he handeled the situation.He has options that what the courts tell fathers when they want to be with thir children but can't stand their mothers.and no one is saying jason jr live his father all im saying all that time he spends on the golf course during his off season can be spent with his son don't jason mother still live in californa you can't tell me they couldn't arrange anything. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:00 PM Well carl, you, too, must have been an overly intelligent youngster. You really knew what it meant to be overseas or what Korea was?? And you knew what a paternity suit was? Again, perhaps you are overestimating your intelligence as a little kid or maybe you were just really smart. Carl, the kid deserves to know his identity, but does it have to be done before the kid gets to the fourth grade? no. Kids at 9 are sexually active and do drugs?? That's ridiculous. And if your 7 year old sister really knew what sex was at that age, well believe me, that is not normal and doesn't happen in homes where parents are responsible and shield their kids from that stuff. And carl, thank you, because you helped prove my point. You thought as a little kid that your step father was your real dad. That is exactly my point. Kids at such a young age do not understand the concept of having a father living somewhere else. That makes no sense to them. And it would not have made sense to you either, if your mom told you when you were 7 or some age like that. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:04 PM I agree... even if Jason Jr knows Kidd is his father, I doubt he really knows what that means... The guy that takes care of him in his home is his dad, not some stranger that he sees on tv... He can call Kidd dad all he wants, but that doesn't mean anything to him at that age. Little kids cannot understand that. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:10 PM When Kidd found out he was the father, he was in no position to take care of a child. He just wasn't ready for it and was trying to start a career in the NBA. That is why nothing was worked out then and if you think disrupting the little kid's life while he is this young is smart, well it's not. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:13 PM Maybe it will make Jason a better parent if he spent time with his son instead of playing golf, but would the kid like that? The kid would just think it was weird. Let him grow up a little. Posted by denise on May 21, 2003 5:24 PM well maybe your not where im from or maybe because i had a difficult child hood and had to mature alot quiker than the average child but know that i am and adult and teach an after school program for kids who are from the range of 4 to 16 you would be shock of what the average youngster knows these days.You should hear some of the things coming out their mouths.Kids do know this kind of stuff maybe it depends on the enviroment.But just two days ago i had to report a 9 year old and a ten year old kissing in the bathroom they told me all the stuff they knew about sex and it shock the crap out of me.But believe what you want all i can say i understood what my mother meant she didn't go all pc on me she told me in a way that i could understand.and yes i knew that korea was faraway exactly what do you think they teach pre teens.you should know alot of it depends on your enviroment and all the things you hear on the radio and see on tv.trust me you can't sheld your child from the real world forever. Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 5:27 PM how can you let your child grow up and not let him in on whats going on do you want to wait till he gets older tell him the truth about his father and have him feel he had been left in the dark.You don't want your child being resentful towards you or his father Posted by dj on May 21, 2003 5:37 PM so making it into the nba is more important than establishing a relationship with your son? Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 5:41 PM The fact that Kidd hit Joumana does not mean he is a bad person. He has a anger problem, yes, but a lot of guys do, not just famous and rich ones. Joumana wouldn't have stayed with him if he was that bad, she could easily walk away at any time and still have plenty of money. And getting divorced from him could probably have made her more famous... She could have written a book about how bad Kidd was and about the horrors of being an NBA wife. And she could have moved to LA to become a model and movie star. She could have focused on her career more instead of supporting Kidd's as much as she has. If you people paid attention to her a little more, you would change your opinion of her and Jason. And the fact that she alluded to previous incidents of abuse when talking to the police could have been to just make the story better... to just make Kidd seem worse than he really is, just because she was really ticked at him at the time. She has also admitted to being an exaggerator that tends to blow things out of proportion. (For example, the whole Boston thing last year where she said the fans were so horrible and like Satan there even though in reality, they weren't that bad.) In the heat of the moment, sometimes you say things that aren't really true... It happens to everyone. Part of me also thinks that Jason and Joumana wanted to stay together and work through their problems because Joumana was pregnant and they wanted that child to have a normal family when he or she was born. That is the most unselfish, loving thing that parents could do for their kids... keep the family together and healthy. How can you find fault in them for keeping their family together?? Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:46 PM To a 21 year old talented basketball player who's world has always revolved around basketball and doesn't know anything about taking care of a child that he didn't really want to have, yes, it is more important to make it in the NBA. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 5:49 PM do you see these 10 year old imitating what they see on tv or hear on radios.Should we excuse jason from being absent from his child life because he had promising career in the nba?Why doesn't the rules apply to some people and not to others?I don't want my children thinking all they was to me was money taken out of my pay check.Why are ya'll excusing this man.Would you excuse him if he was just the average man in the streets. and how do we know that this boy has a father figure in his life.How is it in a world that looks down on men who don't take care of their responsibilty that we excuse him what because he's a great ball player.Where does the hyprocrisy ends? why is it different for other men who concieve children and look upon as lowlives when they don't step up onto the plate and take care of their children but its different for him because he provides 3 hours of great ball games please tell me why its different for him and not others? Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 5:56 PM dj, I am not saying wait until the kid is 15, I am saying wait until the kid hits double digits at least. So that's means on November 16 when Jason Jr turns 10, someone should tell him who his father is and hope he understands it. It probably will go in one ear and out the other. I remember when my dad told my sister when she was 8 that my mom wasn't really her mom... she didn't really care because she loved my mom and didn't want another one. She didn't get it that my mom wasn't blood-related to her. She didn't know why that mattered and she didn't know what that even meant. She was too afraid to have interest in seeing her real mom at that age so it wasn't really mentioned again for quite a while. But when she was 12, she decided that she was ready to meet her. I'm telling you, when they are older, it is better. You guys are just thinking about Kidd being a good parent, but how about the kid's feelings?? Maybe he doesn't want to see Jason... ever think of that?? Maybe he is comfortable where he is right now and doesn't want to meet up with strangers from the east coast. Can't you respect something like that?? Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:00 PM well then don't need have kid if thats how selfish you are when it comes to your flesh and blood Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 6:01 PM what the difference if you wait till he's 10 or tell him when he nine its still all the same. Posted by dj on May 21, 2003 6:05 PM point blank, jason will never be the man in my eyes. i don't care if he hit her once you never hit a women theres no excuse for that. Posted by carl on May 21, 2003 6:09 PM Carl, you can't tell me that if you were in Kidd's shoes you would have done anything different. If you were a 21 year old star basketball player that has been shielded from the real world forever and thinks that basketball is the only important thing in the world, would you really give up a career in the NBA to take care of a child that you got because you were too careless to use protection while you were messing around?? Of course not... looking back, I am sure Jason thinks that was stupid, but kids are just dumb in college. They have no idea what it means to be a parent. They don't appreciate the gift of life like mature adults do. There are a lot of teens today with babies that just don't want them or aren't ready to have them. It's just immature mistakes that you can't prevent. It's not right to not be part of these children's lives, but imagine if you had a baby when you were young and about to make a name for yourself in life... what would you do?? That's right, you would have done the same thing as Kidd, unless you are a saint. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:10 PM dj, you gotta make a cut off somewhere so I picked 10. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:11 PM Carl, the kid was an accident. Jason didn't want a baby! He wanted a good night's worth of sex like a lot of college students want and he ended up with a baby. It's not like he was planning on this. Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2003 6:15 PM you reek what you sow.and you have to accept the consequence of your actions.If i was in jason shoes i'll have to say im 21 years old im an adult this isn't a mistake my dad can get me out of.I have to except that i helped created a child and now its time do do the right thing and take care of him.Allen Iverson did it. he wasn't in the nba when his girlfriend had his daughter but yet he still was able to manage to take care of his responsibilties and achieve his goal in playing in the nba.If your old enough to creat a baby your old enough to take of one.And unless you except the fact that alot of kids these days are being raised in a single parent home with out any help from the father or mother it can be a huge impact on how the child grows up and what he sets out to do in life. Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 10:33 AM why is there a huge discussion on how jason raises his children.Its none of our business what he does in his private life.And we don't know the whole story.Carl i agree with you on some points because alot of men these days don't seem to understand the whole aspect in what it means to be a father.Shawn kemp was known to father 7 babies how in the world can he be a upstanding parent when he has babies across the country.Jason lived a very isolated life his mother and father shielded him and his sisters from alot of the nasty temptations that life had to offer.But once he got older and was on his own he made dicessions that might not have been the best.He was a horny 21 year old who was just starting off on life and didn't know what he was getting himself into.But remember this it takes two to tango and she could have protected her self as well.Jason is by far not an innocent victim here the child was but jason was probably just as nieve as the baby he didn't know what he was doing. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 10:49 AM and how can he be upright father when he didn't know how to come about it? Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 10:52 AM he let his pants drop he didn't wear protection and he concieved a child.I don't care how isolated a life jason had im pretty sure once he started high school he knew how a baby is created and im pretty sure he knew how to prevent a baby.Unless he grew up on planet mars and didn't know what sex was there is no excuse on Why a grown man doesn't know how to be a parent.No body really knows the importance on being a parent when there first starting off.It takes time and energy to really understand.Even joumana said she was unsure in what to do in raising a child when her son was born but she didn't abandon it and give up.She work at it and over time she was able to grasp on how big of a role parents play in their childs life. Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 11:03 AM lets just get off the subject because its no reason to get heated about it when its not any of our business in the first place. i think everybody's opinion struck some key points but alright all ready!! Its not a big deal and its not any of our business.we don't know what kind of life jason jr has and untill we do i think we should get off the subject. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:09 AM I agree. Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 11:13 AM and on that note who who in here is a pistons fan.I ask that because detroit is going to be going fishing in a matter of days ha! ha!(: Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:18 AM what was the big discussion? Posted by k.d on May 22, 2003 11:33 AM your kidding right!? you haven't been reading all of the comments people have been posting. If you haven't you have to go back and read because i'am not about explain it. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:40 AM i just have one final comment.Since jason does have his son name on his nba bio. don't you think then the son knows who he is for all those saying jr. probably doesn't know who jason kidd is.And unless your around jason all the time 24\7 don't give me that crap about knowing jason on a personal level because unless you live with him you don't know what he does in his personal life .he could be an upstanding guy and " changed" his ways like you all say or he could be a mean bully like he was not to long ago Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 11:47 AM i was just kidding (: Posted by k.d on May 22, 2003 11:48 AM again does it matter if we know jkidd personally or not it is not, i repeat it is not any of our business. its his life let him do what he wants with it. in the mean while for those who may not like him on a personal level leave it alone and go about your business or a least appreciate the leadership and skills kidd gives to the game of basketball. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 11:53 AM a child should never be considered a mistake that just flat out mean. Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 12:04 PM Allen Iverson is different... He stayed with the woman who had his children. Kidd didn't. Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 12:08 PM I agree 100% but maybe jason jr. wasn't the mistake and his mother was. you can have love for the child and not like the mother. jason probably has a reason to be bitter so does the mother but its their lives what happen is their business we can't do anything about it so leave it alone. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 12:09 PM so what about gary payton he had gotten another women pregnant the same time he got his wife pregnant.But he doesn't ignore him even the women who he had the affair with says gary is a upstanding father and takes their son with him whenever he has time which is usually the off season so still give a reason on why jason shouldn't be a father figure to Jr. Posted by kool b on May 22, 2003 12:15 PM it depends on the person a since people seem to still want to talk about it im going to say this.jason might have felt trapped.He might have thought that this women was just trying to secure a position on jason kidd money train and kidd felt awkward.it happens and it again depends on what type of person jason jrs. mother was like. she could of been a goldigger or some one who was caught up in the heat of the moment and didn't think clearly.You have to know the person personally before you judge.I'am assuming nobody does so we can't say anything. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 12:28 PM all im saying is what jason does here and now is going to effect all of his children in the long run. Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 12:33 PM You know I am soooo sorry I brought this subject up. These people that are making excuses and scenarios of why he isn't acknowleding his son is ridiculous. Y'all are Jason/Joumanna Jockers! So what do you guys think about Jason saying he's ready to come home and possibly play for Golden State? If he does, and his "father" duties don't change, what excuses will there be then? For whoever said my child must be a genius then I guess he is, and your child would be, hmmmm, a little sheltered maybe. Ms. child psychologist. You better keep a close eye on your children and the ones you council. The ones who are that sheltered are the ones who go crazy once you cut them loose. Even as someone other lame excuse was posted, Jason's family had him sheltered thats why he went crazy and got the girl pregnant. But my comment is, regardless, he did it so step up to the plate. We as mothers aren't expected to just walk away from our responsibility, and men shouldn't either. So just because he didn't want the pregnancy it's ok? WOW, thats deep. I have seen Jason in action back in the day, and even though he has matured, he was something else, even when he first married Joumana. Believe me if she would have been better off divorced, her behind would have left him in minute. That was not the first time he put his hands on her, when she called 911 she said it herself. She likes attention. You didn't hardly see or hear about Joumana until that incident. Ever since then she has been all up on the TV. You go girl. She isn't stupid by any means. You didn't hear her threaten to leave him. It was because of the Phoenix Suns why he went to the anger mgmt. class. Yes he decided to go longer because I do think he was sincere, but still, if Jason was the average Joe, Joumana would have been out, actually she probably would have never fooled with him. As a matter of fact she didn't when he was an average Joe. But I will leave poor lil' Jason and Jouman alone since some of you love them as a people so much (I doubt any of you know him/her on that level though). We will just stick to the fact that he is an excellent ball player and he has come a long way in that area. Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 1:41 PM Oops spelling corr, I meant to say the ones you counsel. You know some people like to correct spelling err's. Smooches! Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 1:44 PM Yeah Detroit is about to be outta there! Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 1:47 PM i agree on what your saying.Believe me!! im a singel mother and my boyfriend didn't do crap for my daughter so i did on my own and she is very content.I just notice people getting a little ancy {if thats how you spell the word(:} about jason kidd's intergrity and I thought what is the big deal its none of my business so it shouldn't be anyone else not just the people who are jason/joumana supporters but also people who has problems with the man.I give kuddos to mb and carl for pointing out the fact that no matter what you have to be honarable and do whats best for the child.its no longer about you any more its about you and the child but at the same token jason seemed really nieve in what he was doing and i don't think he quite comprehend when the women sayed she was pregnant.I think jason was scared and basically let the mother do the care taking.But i don't know the whole story so im not sure myself. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 2:00 PM with all the news and gossip that circurlated when that little boys paternity was being contested i find it really hard to believe he doesn't know his father.Little children have the biggest mouths so if the adults aren't saying it im pretty sure their children are repeating what there hear their parents say and if jason jr lives in a cage i doubt he hasn't heard anybody speaken of him on his father Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 2:14 PM Again i understand what you are saying but i have to say that i was reading some the past post i'am heartbroken that some one would chose their profession over their flesh and blood when you can have it both ways.Mike bibby was a father before he went pro but still was able to manage his obligations as a parent and his obligations as a nba player.And may be Miss brown didn't want motherhood either but did what she had to do for the sake of her child.I got pregnant right before i started college but it didn't change my desire to be a nurse.I'am one now and raise my daughter completely on my own thank you very much(: but it would have been nice for her father to be in her life.He is missing out on alot and i would hate finding him regretting not to have been a major factor in her life.You put your child first despite what you may or may not have wanted.And who says you can't have it both ways.It doesn't have be either its this or that manage a way to have both.There's always a way i know speaking on personal experience. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 2:53 PM I understand that. i just have have a problem of people speaking of this kid as if he was a stuff teddy bear with no feeelings.This is jason kidd for goodness sake!!He's on tv alomst everyday so its hard for me to believe that this child doesn't notice him especially if he looks himself in the mirror and sees jason kidd's reflection staring back at him.I'am pretty sure the mother told him that he was his father since she was so public about his paternity and im sure when that child support check comes in the mail addressed to jason kidd jr.that it doesn't go unnotice and since jason kidd sr. mother still lives in the area im pretty she has at least seen the boy since he's been born and if not then thats a sad family. Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 3:45 PM Dj, listen to yourself your judging a man and his family without even knowing them on a personal level.Who knows what goes on in that family and it is no ones business.I'am saying you can't judge the man without knowing the whole situation first.We don't know what role jason plays in this young mans life and right now i don't think this little boy is all that worried about it "yet". there will come a day when this little boy is going to need his father but untill then let boy have fun let him be a child first don't put to much pressure on a young kid when its not necessary.But unless you know jason don't judge the man we have to know his side of the story before we can do that. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 3:56 PM your right but some of these so called jason/joumana supporters get on my nerves. Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 4:01 PM they have a right to case their point too just like you do.You feel me on that. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:10 PM Well Tasha I'm sure you are proud of your accomplishment, and being a single mother is a job, I know, I'm one as well. My son's father doesnt help financially at all! But you know what I put all that aside and still allow him to be there because my son loves him dearly and I refuse to take that from him. I'm sure if Jason really wanted to see his son he could. A very close friend of mine has a son by a professional basketball player (a major basketball player) and they don't really get along, but you know what, he makes sure his son is flown to his location or his mothers. He makes sure his son's grandmother, goddmother, assistant flies with his son so he can see him. And this happens on a regular basis, not just post season. So thats why I know if Jason really wanted to spend time with his son he could. Didn't want to have to break it down like that but people keep making excuses for Jason. Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 4:11 PM I don't know if jason is a good man i don't know if jason is a bad man i don't know if he is a good parent bad parent faithful husband or cheating husband.all i know is that he is a great ball player and that is all that anybody needs to know. thankyou(: Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:16 PM believe me i'am the last person to make excuses for this man.I'am just saying that we don't know the whole situation so we shouldn't judge but i agree with you and carl on alot of the things ya'll said. there is no excuse for a man not to form a relationship with his son there is always a way. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:24 PM mb thankgod you are here because i almost thought i was the only person to feel that way.They speak of jason as if he is the savior and they think joumana is a godess.pleasssssssssssse! there are plenty of beautiful women in the world and joumana isn't the ish.But jason has 4 children not 3 like all of ya'll seem to think and he should be responsible for all of them not just some.Basically, be a man and do your duty as a father to all!!!!! of your children. Posted by dj on May 22, 2003 4:33 PM did some one mention my name? Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 4:47 PM Okay people lets just except that we all have totally different opinions on this subject and we are not going to agree on anything.Everyone made their point enough said. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 4:50 PM just to open another can of worms who believes jason cheated on his wife raise your hand!!!(: Posted by beamer on May 22, 2003 4:52 PM I don't know what to believe about this man he seems to put on this act that is totally false.Who would believe that jason would have hit joumana in the first place.Nobody right, he was saying the same crap then as he saying now i don't know what to believe about him Posted by carl on May 22, 2003 4:57 PM lets not start the whole jason cheating on joumana thing.a very nice person sent me a copy and even though it sound realistic i don't know if this was just a hoax or the truth and really i don't want to know. Posted by tasha on May 22, 2003 5:01 PM Another personal opinion. I would say about 90% of the ball players cheat 1 time or another. Shoot, I think Joumana might have went there herself on the under. The wives of the players aren't always innocent either, their stuff is just more undercover. If he's not cheating now he probably has. Posted by mb on May 22, 2003 5:12 PM Dj, how do you know that Kidd doesn't have a relationship with Jason Jr now?? Maybe he visits him when he is in the area. He is not obligated to inform the public about his every private move... You have no idea what's going on in his life. Maybe he and the child's mother have agreed to keep the kid out of the spotlight so that he isn't hounded at school so much. Also, keeping him out of the spotlight could keep Kidd's good image in tact, even if he does have a relationship with the kid behind the scenes. I am sure that Kidd does not want to be remembered as a typical NBA player that has a child out of wedlock. He wants to be remembered as a family man. That is why he may not mention him, but that does not mean he never sees him and that he doesn't give a damn about him. Who are we to assume that??? I know that Kidd was not granted custody of the child, so do not place all of the blame on him. The court decides who will take care of the child, not Kidd. Do you people think that everyone who gives their children up for adoption are bad people, too?? I doubt it... This is the same scenario. People have different living conditions... Do not judge people because of your assumptions. Involving another kid heavily in his life could disrupt Kidd's real family. That is an uncomfortable situation to be put in and I bet Kidd does not want to burden his family with that... Can you imagine what TJ would think?? He will be wondering if he and his sisters aren't good enough to get full attention from their father. He will be wondering why his daddy has a child that isn't his mommy's. That's not fair to expose him to that now. I think visiting Jason Jr a few times a year is good, and for all we know, Jason may be doing that now. It's none of our business so let's stop picking on him, okay? And on another note... you people keep referring to the fact that Joumana alluded to previous incidents of abuse by her husband. She may have just said this out of spite, to make it sound worse than it really was. In fact, that is what she told Sports Illustrated. That does not mean that she had been abused before. Don't believe every word that comes out of her mouth... she has publically blown things out of proportion several times and it's very easy to exaggerate a story in the heat of the moment. Also, you people keep bringing up Allen Iverson, Mike Bibby, etc. Do you realize that they are both still with the mothers of their children?? They never had to worry about cutody battles, paternity suits, criminal charges, etc. They never had to deal with living in a separate state than their kids. They have always lived with their children and their mothers. When they move for the NBA, their kids move, too. You CANNOT compare them to Kidd's situation. And yes, there are Jason and Joumana supporters out there... Why must we all hate them like you Carl, mb, dj, and a few others?? We can support them if we like. I think they are good people and I don't care if you don't agree with me. I live in NJ and being this close to Kidd has given me a much more in depth look at the Kidd family that maybe you don't get in another state. I think you should do more research on them before you open your mouths. If you don't believe in giving people a second chance to change and grow, than that is dumb. Learn how to forgive people. Yeah, he hit his wife... but he stayed with her and did everything he could to make it better. That is remarkable regardless of whether you see that or not. Money and fame do not buy you happiness, love does. Jason and Joumana could have easily broken up their marriage. If you think that Joumana would benefit from staying with Jason, well try looking at the other side. Jason was not going to gain anything by staying married to her. She couldn't offer him more money and more exposure. Obviously, there was a reason to stay with her and to go through all of the trouble of making himself a better person. He didn't do that for no reason. You people don't believe in love? Maybe you are bitter Detroit fans that are upset because Kidd is currently destroying your team in the playoffs. :) Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:30 PM When I say criminal charges, I am referring to charges that affect custody of children, just to clarify my above post. Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:34 PM As a close friend of the Kidd family in NJ, I would just like to say that the way he and his family have acted in the past two years in public is the same way they act behind the scenes in their home. They are not phony and they are not trying to act out a fairy tale story for the public. They are very honest people who are very loyal to each other. When Kidd goes on the road, he catches up on his sleep. He LOVES to take naps and sleep all of the time. He watches tons of movies and baseball games and other basketball games that are going on. He watches tons of tv in general, he's very much on top of things in the world. He not out there looking to mess around with other women. Not at all. He is very devoted to his wife. He calls Joumana from the road all of the time... very frequently, more than once a day. Right after games, he's on the phone with her. Perhaps you guys out there are longing for such a solid, healthy family like they have. You should be happy for them, but if you don't believe their story, then oh well. Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:46 PM mb, how can you make that assumption??? You have no evidence... you are just stereotyping and it makes you look dumb. Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2003 5:49 PM i am a 14 year old boy from baltimore maryland and i am jason kidds biggest fan in the world so everyone should know that his biggest fan is in baltimore md. shout out to jason kidd "whats up jason i am goning to be at one of ur games in new jersey im going to drive there cuz im ya biggest fan and i want to get ur signutre and my name is steven" alright kiddd peace Posted by u shook ones on May 22, 2003 6:50 PM I must agree that JKidd and his wife should make an honest effort to include Jason Jr. I mean c'mon he has his name! If Joumana was really a family oriented and God-fearing woman, the back-bone of the FAM, she would ensure that ALL of the children ( to include Jr.) spend a substantial amount of time together. Hell, while she's posing and cheesing for the cameras ALL DAY EVERYDAY she can take some time out to bring JR. around.....that is if his mother allows it.....which I'm sure she doesn't have a problem with. It's been how many years???????/ Posted by jboogie on May 23, 2003 12:26 AM Joumana has nothing to do with Jason Jr. She is not his mother. It's Jason's decision as to whether or not the kid should be involved and to what extent he should be involved in his life. Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 12:10 PM what did the comment say? Posted by beamer on May 23, 2003 12:33 PM I think everyones point had some bases to it but if people want to support or oppose jason kidd and his family thats your choice you have the right to do it.But don't assume things and don't bash people because of it.Nobody in here knows the life of jason kidd so we can't really speak of it.I used mike bibby as an example not because he was with his baby momma but because he was a young college kid who was also starting off on life and probaly didn't have a clue on raising a kid.It wasn't to say mike bibby is with the mother of his children why isn't jason kidd? that wasn't my point and if you were confused by that i apoligize.I at least understand why jason doesn't mentions his son it could open pendoras box and thats the last thing i think jason or his wife wants but at the same time jason's image is already hurt people know about his son with another women and im pretty sure joumana knew when she first married jason so bringing up jason out of wed lock son isn't going to change anything especially since everyone knows about him and to say that jason good family man image is more important than his child then im assuming then you are not parents because that is awful to put his image first before his child.And tj miah and jazelle should be just as important to jason as his son Jr. .you have to consider his needs as well and not seperate the two.after all thats jason jr. family too. Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 12:53 PM well jason Jr. was jason son long before tj and his daughters so don't give me that crap.second why in the world would you use adoption for an example when jason didn't put him up for adoption .[bad example] third i have the right to my own opinion so don't get angry that i made a strong point about his son stuation.And a tip for me to you if you are to concern about your image and what people think about you than your child make sure you slap a condem on before you have sex.and if joumana is really a good women as you all say she would except jason jr in their lives and realize he needs to be with his father just like her children do and she wouldn't make the situation awkward but embrace his son since he is apart of him and if she loves jason she should love Jr. as well!!! peace out im outta here Posted by Dj on May 23, 2003 1:06 PM jason jr is his family Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 1:07 PM i meant to say jason jr should be just as important as tj and his daughters. Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 1:16 PM so what about gary payton he had a out-of wedlock-son but he didn't abandon him.infact he gotten this women pregnant the same time he gotten his wife pregnant and you can't get any worse than that.his sons are only a few months apart think about it now.But GP's wife excepted gary payton jr into their lives[did i mention they also share the same name]the son gary had with his wife is named gary payton III.he takes care of all of his children and his wife excepted that and it didn't take away his credibilty as a ball player or hurt his image.There is no reason that something couldn't been worked out. besides, his out of wedlock son lives in californa but he flies in to see his father and siblings frequently.Even his wife says i can't punish the child for my husband mistakes that is his son and my childrens older brother and i believe he should be part of this family as well.Anyone who bears children should realize that all of your children should be considered equal and not one is more important than the other.I rest my case. Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 1:33 PM okay people can we please get off this subject because no one is going to come to a conclusion.And besides it his life why are we getting upset about it this is none of our concern so just let it go. Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 1:41 PM i'am going to say this and then i'am going about my business.For people who are for Mr.joumana kidd i appluade you on your support for them congratulations you're a true fan.But i'am trying to say is that the one who are for him also accept him for being a wife beater being so inconsiderate of this child feelings and basically appluade him because he doesn't regard his first son as his family[way to go ya'll you are awesome people] and if you read the article [which i have you also would have ran on jason mother saying that things were so bad between the two that she stayed away from their home because as she put it "things were a bit chilly" and when they ask joumana what she meant when she sayed " this is nothing compared to what I usually go through" she stuttered and didn't seem to give and honest answer {which was pointed out by the magazine}.But what can i say what you say is not going to change how i feel for the man because i was a huge jkidd fan myself when i relized all that loving crap he was saying about his wife was a bunch of crap since he goes home and hits the crap out of her. what,because he had a bad day at practice.Was that his way to show his effection towards his wife by beating her? well i quess you learn something new eveyday.and to the person saying how it would effect jason kidds "real" family is sad because that boy was his family way before joumana tj, and his daughters so to regard this boy as nothing but a reminder of his past, well he made his bed now he has to lay in it.he should have made better judgement in his actions and now theres nothing he can do about it.just because he is a famous ball player is not any excuse for why this little boy shouln't be part of his family.ask yourself this; what do you tell your children when mommy divorces daddy and remarries and has other children with this man do tell them your children with this man now is more important to me because i'am not with your father? or do you tell them just because mommy and daddy aren't together doesn't mean you are any or less important to me. I love you all the same.you decide. Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 2:13 PM Tasha, I was just saying that it is easier to raise a child when you have help from the child's other parent. Even if both parents don't know what they are doing, they can work together to figure it out. Mike Bibby and Allen Iverson stayed with their children's mothers and that made it a lot easier to take care of their kids. Their families stayed together. Kidd didn't have that luxury. He was having major problems with Jason Jr's mother and the court gave the boy's mother full custody. Jason wasn't allowed to take care of Jason Jr. And then Kidd ended up in Texas while the child living in California. Even if Kidd had custody, it is unfair to make the kid get on a plane all of the time to see his father. That will disrupt his schooling, I am sure, and just his daily life. You would not want to be a 9 year old boy that had to constantly get on a plane and has to be away from his friends. That is no fun for a child that is trying to grow in a stable environment. My 8 year old son is scared to death of planes. It makes his ears hurt and he always cries. He would never do that. Think about it, do all of you like being on planes all of the time?? Well, think about a 9 year old, that's even worse. I think a few meetings with Jason Jr when Kidd is in the area is good, but all of the time? That is not realistic and just will not happen. Also, you have no idea if Jason has a relationship already with his first son or not. He might just not want the public to know about it and that is fine. Maybe he is trying to keep the kid's life as normal as possible since he doesn't live with Jason. It's none of our business. And Gary Payton does have a bad image. He is the stereotypical NBA player... having children out of wedlock, cheating on his wife, going to strip clubs... don't tell me that he has a good image, because he doesn't. I am sure Kidd wants to break the stereotype and get the public to realize that not all NBA players are as horrible as Payton is. It's not that Kidd is more concerned with his image, it's just that he may want to keep the kid out of the spotlight. He is not obligated to tell you what he does with his first son. And carl, you know what I mean... When I say family, I mean the 4 people Kidd lives with: his wife, TJ, Jazelle, and Miah. The 4 people he is closest to. Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 2:31 PM well jason kidd broke that good man image back in january of 2001 and jason also has a track record so whatever image jason kidd tried to portray well he messed up big time so that theory goes out the window. Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 2:41 PM well then jason and his bay momma should have came to and resolution if you say that its easier for a child to have both their parents involved and not necessarily be together. im sure jason can provide himself a good attorney for that.Just like when a family divorce they make an arrangement so they can both be a very important fixture in their childrens lives otherwise all children in divorce families must don't have any means to be with their parent because they're to far away please come up with something better than that lame excuse. Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 2:50 PM Carl, you have no proof that Jason always beat the crap out of his wife. His mother could just have been speaking of verbal tension that was going on in that house, not necessarily physical fighting. Joumana EXAGGERATES! A lot!!! Have you followed Kidd at all?? Last year in Boston, Joumana said that the fans were such monsters, that they would say the absolute nastiest things to her. She called them Satan-like and said that they were cruel and needed to get religion. Then, the media interviewed some guy that was sitting near Joumana and he said that the fans were not bad at all, they just chanted wife beater, which may just have gotten Joumana really upset and caused her to blow the story out of proportion. Joumana admitted a couple of weeks ago that the fans really weren't that bad last year in Boston and that most of them were actually nice and appreciative of Jason's basketball ability. Like I said, it the heat of the moment, you tend to make more of a situation than there really is. Also, when Kidd was with the Phoenix Suns and Joumana got a call that said Jason made the U.S. National Team, Jason didn't believe Joumana's information and had to hear it for himself because he knows she exaggerates a lot of things. So just don't believe everything that comes out of her mouth in that police call. Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 2:52 PM oh so joumana is a liar that figures as much. Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 3:04 PM at least gary payton takes care of his responsibilties unlike some people. Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 3:05 PM You're still not answering me, Carl... The only way that Jason can see his kid on a frequent basis is if the kid flies in. Would you want to be on a plane that often if you were a kid?? Would you?? I want to hear your honest answer to this question. I am a grown adult and I would not want to be on a plane that much... What a pain in the ass that would be. Like I said, my 8 year old son would NOT stand for it. He has nightmares about planes and they make him physically ill. Not all kids would be okay with all of that traveling and to force that upon your kids is just wrong. And you don't care about Jason Jr's education??? He needs to be in school!!! He can't be on a plane all of the time flying across the country!! That would be permanent jet lag and a hell of a lot confusion. Maybe some NBA players have tried that, but is is wrong. That is not a normal thing that a kid should have to go through. A few visits would be nice, but Kidd may already be doing that, you just don't know. Jason and his son's mother didn't come to that conclusion because they HATED each other!!! The mother told the court that Kidd was abusive and not suitable for fatherhood. And you know what, he wasn't ready, he had to grow up and get his head out of the clouds. Kidd thought he was invincible in college, like most college kids do, thinking 'there's no way I can get a girl pregnant.' That was the furthest thing from his mind. Jason was not a typical guy in college like you were. Decisions that you would have made about being a responsible parent are not decisions that flow through the mind of a soon-to-be NBA player that is suffocating in the world of basketball with no proper guidance. It was a different situation... It does not mean that Kidd is a bad person. He was just in a surreal environment and you, nor I, know what it is like. The atmosphere that a person is in influences many of his decisions... people try to pull you in various dirrections. It's just a different world. Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 3:12 PM why are we still arguing about this.this is ridiculous to say the least.Whoever tried to explain to me about their comment i appreciate it.thank you for clearing it up.on that note i have to disagree with both jason/joumana supporters and people who oppose him because everyone is goning on he say she stuff and don't have valuable proof of anything.Please stop!like i have been saying what jason does with his family is his business.We don't live with the man so don't go on stuff based on what you may or may not of heard.And last and but not least lets leave the poor kidd alone i seriously doubt that jason kidd wants his fans discussing his personal life so please everyone!!!!! leave it alone. Posted by tasha on May 23, 2003 3:14 PM Rain, you have no idea what Jason is doing with his first son behind the scenes. You do not know whether or not he is taking care of his responsibilities. Just because Payton makes it public, doesn't mean Kidd has to. Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 3:14 PM Joumana's an exaggerator, not a liar... two completely different things... She makes stories bigger than they seem at times. Don't put words in my mouth. Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2003 3:16 PM then jason kidd son don't have to fly to see him why don't jason go out to see him since he goes there to see his family anyway.and your the one who's being the hypercrite because was it you that said that jr. probably didn't know jason kidd and was it you that said jason kidd probably doesn't know how he looks like but now all of a sudden he probably goes to see his son make up your mind man! Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 3:20 PM well you don't know either so it doesn't matter what i say Posted by rain on May 23, 2003 3:22 PM so she is willing to make jason seem more of a bad guy than he really is.what great way to show you care about some body Posted by carl on May 23, 2003 3:24 PM every one say your last comment and |