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This is a space for the continuation of the discussion thread that started here.

January 26, 2002 5:48 PM

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"Has Joumana ever taken care of her children without the help of a nanny,nurse, or handyman? Does she ever feed them ,give them a bath,or combs their hair,"
No, theres always help. And she's never around to feed, bathe, or comb their hair.

And when i said they went to a psychiatrist, i meant like, in november or december of 2002. they were going for certain reasons....

"I'm assuming you are employed by the Kidds."
for personal reasons, privacy, and protection- i can't say that i have or haven't worked at/with the kidds. there could be other ways to find all of this out.

Posted by *~~* on September 20, 2003 9:45 AM

How awful. Does she at least buy clothes and food for her kids? Or does she make other people do that for her too? I hope she takes her daughters shopping once in a while to pick out cute matching outfits. If she was home, would she give her kids a bath?

And thank you for that info, I never knew that Jason and Joumana went to a psychiatrist in November 2002. I know that Jason's usual counselor passed away in late October of 2002 and that he wanted to find a new one in NJ, just so that he had someone to talk to. Maybe that is what they were doing? Looking to find a new couselor? Or were they having other problems that needed to be addressed? Do you know of any reasons?

And hey, it's okay if you're trying to protect your privacy. That's a good thing and I'm glad you doing it. You don't have to tell us who you are. We know that you are very knowledgable when it comes to the Kidds and that's all that we need to know.

Posted by Anonymous on September 20, 2003 4:44 PM

*~~*, when you are around Jason and Joumana, do they act like they're in love? Like do they show signs of affection? Do they spend a lot of time together? Do they like to go out together at night or do they prefer to relax at home? Or do they do a little of both?

I appreciate all of the questions that you answer here. Your responses are quite enjoyable.

Posted by Richard on September 20, 2003 11:52 PM

Well let me just start off by saying that after a friend of mine stumbled onto this website and told me about it, I read through all the comments. Jason did cheat on Joumana and he cheated with me. I am the girl who was dating Jason while he was in Dallas. I am the person who fell in love with Jason for Jason. I met him before he was drafted and I didn't know anything about basketball at the time. Oh and comments about J and his oldest son. Just stop it.. Stuff happens when you are young. FYI he did see jason originally, but then court issues started popping up, and that is why you dont here much about him. Stop assuming. I spent many a night on the phone with Jason while he was on the road, so that he could complain about his family life, and what a mistake it was that he married Joumana. Its true she isnt that great of a person..and after for his money.that is an understatement. She has always been in it for the money and the fame game. Why didnt leave Jason after he popped her?...Its call a pre-nup.. She gets more money the longer she stays in the relationship..and the more kids they have.. I was with Jason after his incident with her, when he came to play in --(no need to tell you what city) he said he didnt even know if the twins were going to be his and that when she had them he would be getting a dna test to make sure.. What does that say about his wife and their relationship. Jason should have married a real woman, a black woman. Thats why he is having all the trouble he is in now. Dont get me wrong..still love that boy to death, but he is dumb and yes very whipped..but dont think she doesnt hold the threat of calling 911 over his head again..regardless if he really hits her or not..And for the record..Jason does not have a history of beating anyone...including her..He just flipped out after dealing with her crazy nagging added with his already stressed life. Jason is a sensitive, loving man, who just married the wrong woman

Posted by vg on September 22, 2003 7:56 AM

"Jason should have married a real woman, a black woman. Thats why he is having all the trouble he is in now."

Do you know how silly this statement sounds? If Jason's FATHER was still alive, would you go to him and say "You should have married a real woman, a black woman." Jason's MOTHER must not be a "real woman" in your eyes. After all, she isn't black.

"He just flipped out after dealing with her crazy nagging added with his already stressed life."

Absolutely no excuse whatsoever.

Even though I don't care that much for Joumana, but if Jason's been cheating on his wife, then that's just another thing added to my own list about the Kidds that I have no respect for. I don't care if he regrets marrying her. The vows say "forsaking all others." That's what he's supposed to do.

And sleeping with a man that you KNOW is married is no better in my book.

Posted by Nobody on September 22, 2003 8:30 AM

Read this whole article and tell me that anything that everyone in here makes any sense..

I think we all want to hate the Kidds because everyone in here is jelous.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/2002/year_in_review/kidd/

Posted by Anonymous on September 22, 2003 12:28 PM

The only thing I can agree with vg on is that it was rumored that the twins might not be Jason's. I also will say you fell in love with Jason, however, he only tells you what he wants you to know. Men that are married and fooling around are not to be trusted fully. I'm sure he cared about you as well as you do for him, however, there are two sides to every story and he told you what he wanted you to hear. I'm sure some things are true, and I believe Joumana's first intention was money related. I also believe he is whupped because he has a history of that with women.
I'm not a fan of Joumana's (I have said that time and time again), but that is still HER husband regardless of what you think of her and you getting involved with a man that is married, whether he married her after you or not is not a good situation. I'm not judging you but you don't really have a place to judge a woman's intentions or character when you have been with her husband, whatever nationality she might be. He made the decision to marry her, if he was that unhappy he should try to work it out or leave. If he has to pay, he just has to pay. You have to pay for your mistakes, if in fact that is a mistake to him. He made his bed, he has to lay in it. If you loved him as much as you say you did, the best thing (instead of having an affair) would be is to give him honest advice on what to do. If it can be worked out then he has an obligation as a husband to try to save his marraige, otherwise he needs to get out of an unhealthy relationship. My best friend (now) had deep feelings for me and I didn't know it until he moved his girlfriend (wasn't his girl when I met him) out here and then a year later married her. We liked eachother but he was too scared to show his feelings. When he finally did he was married. He was and is constantly going through issues with his wife and he says sometimes he wishes he didn't get married. I love him dearly and if he wasn't married I would be with him. He has asked to go on vacation with me and he wants to be with me, but I don't play seconds. I give him the advise I would give my girlfriends (only when he asks, because I am not trying to proactively help the next woman)you made the decision to get married which is a lifetime committment, so work it out or leave. I could go in2 detail more but bottom line is messing with a married man is wrong.
You say if he was with a real woman, a black woman, well from a black woman, a real woman wouldn't play seconds and carry on with a married man. If you think us as sisters are better (which I'm glad your proud of being black because thats a beautiful thing) you wouldn't play seconds to a woman of another race.

Posted by mb on September 22, 2003 12:49 PM

Nicely said MB!

Still don't believe anything written in here..

Posted by Anonymous on September 22, 2003 2:25 PM

when joumana is home, she still doesn't give them baths. the only thing she really does is buy stuff for them. she doesn't take them along with her to shop, she does it by herself.

I really shouldn't say why they went to a psychiatrist.

"when you are around Jason and Joumana, do they act like they're in love? Like do they show signs of affection? Do they spend a lot of time together? Do they like to go out together at night or do they prefer to relax at home? Or do they do a little of both?" - they don't show any affection. never a kiss or hug. they are barely together.. jason is busy practicing and making money, and joumana is busy shopping and spending the money. they sometimes relax at home at night, sometimes they go out.

"...so that he could complain about his family life, and what a mistake it was that he married Joumana. Its true she isnt that great of a person..and after for his money.that is an understatement. She has always been in it for the money and the fame game..."

thats what i've been trying to say. you and i are on the same page. we both know what the truth is, but some people just don't want to believe us.

Posted by *~~* on September 22, 2003 4:43 PM

vg, you are full of crap... I will write more when I have time.

Posted by Anonymous on September 22, 2003 4:45 PM

Also just because we don't care for the Kidd's doesn't, by any means, mean we're jealous.
You know as long as I have been posting here, I still don't understand why the people that are Kidd fans can't take the bad with the good. Obviously a lot of them are from Jersey or East coast. I'm tired of y'all! Get over it, not everyone that has something to say negative means their jealous, or furthermore that it's a lie.

Posted by mb on September 22, 2003 5:33 PM

Okay, all of the Joumana is a bad, evil cheater crap is dumb. Now *~~* knows more about this than I do, but there may be more deeper reasons why *~~* feels the way she does about Joumana. I'm guessing Joumana has ticked her off somehow. If she was that bad and if Jason was as unhappy with his marriage as vg claims, he would have gotten rid of her a long time ago. He doesn't need her. According to what *~~* says, Joumana doesn't take care of her kids, so why would Jason need to hang on to her? He coulda gotten rid of her a long time ago. And about Joumana just spending money, I'm sure she buys things for her whole family, not just herself. And what she does buy for herself, remember that she works too. She has an income. She works at least 2 jobs as far as I know. She is not just spending all of Jason's money. And you could argue that if it weren't for her, Jason wouldn't be as good of a basketball player and wouldn't be making all of this money to begin with. So basically, his money is her money if you think about it. Without her support, Jason said he would be nowhere.

And vg, if you are going to make up lies, saying how Jason had an affair with you, at least get your facts straight. Jason didn't talk to Joumana the majority of time he was in Dallas. He didn't date her. By the time they were getting serious, he was in Phoenix. So to say you were his girlfriend while he played for Dallas and then call it an affair makes no sense, since he wasn't engaged to Joumana until he was traded to Phoenix. (To be exact, he got engaged to her a day before he got traded to Phoenix.)

And vg, you obviously know nothing about Jason's past. He smacked a woman repeatedly at a party when he was 21. Don't tell me he doesn't have a history of abuse. He has a bad temper.

And if marrying Joumana was a mistake, he would have gotten rid of her. Stop pretending that Jason comes to you with all of his problems. I am sure that Jason, who is very worried about his public image, goes to you, some girl that he can't trust (and probably doesn't know), and says how troubled his family life is. That is bull. Everytime I see him, he looks nothing but happy to be with his wife and kids. And at least in public they share some affection. Some of it must be an act to look like a perfect family, but some of it must be real. You just can't totally change you body language in public without it making look fake.

And you lose all respect when you show how prejudiced you are.... saying that only black people are capable of being worthy wives of Jason Kidd. That is pathetic.

I have never heard anything about Jason questioning if the twins were his or not. Everytime people would talk to him in March of 2001, he would say how excited he was that he had twins coming in the fall. He wouldn't have mentioned this over and over again if he wasn't certain that he was the father. I doubt Jason would still be with Joumana if she was cheating on him anyway. Like I said, he doesn't need her for anything. They wouldn't go through the trouble of counseling and Jason wouldn't have begged Joumana to stay with him if he didn't love her.

What it comes down to, is that you are either very, very jealous of Jason and the life he lives, or you just have too much time on your hands and are trying to get attention.

And *~~*, did they go to counseling because of an affair, perhaps? There were rumors here of Jason having an affair with the girlfriend of Mateen Cleaves, but I think somebody proved that that was made up? lol, I don't know.

And since others are using the name of 'anonymous', I will call myself 'the real anonymous', since I was the original.

Posted by the REAL anonymous on September 22, 2003 6:01 PM

I don't know, but I listened to Joumana for over a half hour on a radio show in May and she didn't sound bad at all to me. She seemed on the ball about talking care of her kids. Like she said that she speaks with TJ's principal regularly for parenting advice and she mentioned some of the advice that the lady, who has a degree in child psychology, told her. I don't think you could make that stuff up. She said how she took her whole family to brunch for Mother's Day. And then in the middle of the interview, TJ must have come up to Joumana to ask her to play or do something, so Joumana told the radio lady to hold on for a second. She put the phone down and left for a minute and if you listen closely in the background you could hear Joumana speaking sweetly with TJ and telling him that she would be over to play with him when she was done with the interview. You weren't supposed to hear it, but you could. You can't tell me that she ignores those kids. If she did, TJ would never tolerate sitting with Joumana at every game. She may not spend enough time with them, but what working parents do nowadays? Not many. I don't know, I would love to be in Joumana's shoes, and I'm guessing some of you do, too.

Oh yeah, she's on Third Watch tonight. Everyone who says she is 'bad' because she likes to be on TV, don't forget that that is what people in the tv business want to do.... they want to be on TV. It is their career. It is not a wrong thing to try to promote yourself to land tv jobs. It's hard to be successful in the tv business, so people try everything.

Posted by jessica on September 22, 2003 6:19 PM

Hey real anonymous, you need to get your facts straight, Joumana was married to Jason in Dallas. Also if it was ?able whether the twins where his or not, unless he was about to or had left her, why would he publicy say it was ?able. Of course on TV people say different things. Just like when it was rumored that Heathe Locklear and Tommy Lee were divorcing Heather Locklear assured a writer for Enquirer it was false and begged to withhold the story, a weed later, they filed for divorce. Thats just 1 example. People are even trained on how to handle media and keep them (somewhat) out of their business.
Also Jason might have (not saying it's true) confided in a woman he barely knows, he knows that most people wouldn't believe it anyway (like yourself). He is a sucker for women. Also in Dallas he just married Joumana (whom he didn't know that long at the time also), so it's not impossible.

Posted by mb on September 22, 2003 7:30 PM

um, no, mb. Jason got traded to Phoenix on December 26, 1996. He got married to Joumana on February 21, 1997 in Phoenix. They had a game that night in Phoenix against Cleveland. They did not get married in Dallas. The day after they were engaged, Jason was traded to Phoenix. Therefore, Jason was allowed to have girlfriends while he played for Dallas. He wasn't doing anything wrong.

Posted by The real anonymous on September 22, 2003 8:20 PM

Jason knew Joumana for years. From 1992, he had his eye on her. She was the one. For four years, she wouldn't go out with him, thinking he was too arrogant (which he probably was). They dated for about 5 months before they got married. They were going to marry in the summer, but pushed it up to February because (I've heard multiple reasons why they got married in February) either Joumana's mother didn't want her to move in with a guy that she wasn't married to (Jason had moved to Phoenix and wanted Joumana there with him) or because only wives are allowed on Phoenix's team plane (Jason wanted Joumana on the team plane.) I don't think they rushed anything. Again, if Jason thought he made the wrong decision, he would have ditched Joumana a long time ago. But he didn't and they have been married for almost 7 years. Obviously, they don't hate each other.

And I didn't expect Jason to say it was 'questionable'. But he could have just not mentioned it. HE was the one that would proudly bring it up to the media. The media would ask him how he and his wife were doing and he would say something about how everything was working out well and then he would say 'We're expecting twins in the fall and we're really excited.'

If Jason didn't think he was the father, he wouldn't have brought it up.

He also said in March how happy he was that he and Joumana were going to hear the heartbeat for the first time.

If this was questionable, Jason would have kept the pregnancy to himself, or at least, he wouldn't have gone out of his way to mention it.

Posted by The real anonymous on September 22, 2003 8:38 PM

Okay look I didnt post my comment on this website, so that I could get attention or because I was telling a lie about my relationship with Jason. So "The real anonymous" you can kiss my... You think you know so much, but you dont. Oh and learn to comprehend what you read. I said that I met Jason before he was in the nba and I was his girlfriend while he was in Dallas, not that I was having an affair with him while I was his girlfriend (duh). I was with Jason after his incident with Joumana..(the slap). Practice that comprehension before you call me a liar. As far as my comment that he should have married a black woman, I stand by that. Why? If you are a black woman who has ever dated an athlete when they were no one and then they cheated on you and ended up marrying a non-black woman, you would feel me. It happens way too often..And as far as the comment that was made regarding what I would have said to his father...First of all, none of you knew him so dont even say anything about J's dad..he was a wonderful man, and his mother is a wonderful (non black) woman. and guess what my father is black and my mother is rican/german...but a long time ago..it was said that if you have any black in you, you are black...regardless of what else is mixed in...so I can make that comment because I am watching professional black men and pro athletes leaving the black woman that stood by them and got them places, for a non black woman, and its simply pitiful. So until you have walked in my shoes dont question my comment or doings. I was with a married man, yes I was and I would be with him again. Why? not because Im low down..or mean, but because at one point J was with me and joumana decided that she would step in, and because J had been turned down by her in the past, it was like a conquest for him, so our relationship ended. An eye for an Eye...All is fair in love and War... Its War..and know I am not hating on them or her...Im being real.. I have a wonderful life, but when someone I consider to be still a friend, calls me and tells me he made a huge mistake and cant reasonably get out of it at this time. Im there for him, regardless of the way I am there for him. Oh and believe me I know that a man will say anything to get what he wants..but dont forget so can us women..So dont hate the playa...hate the game
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Mind yours "the real anonymous"

Posted by vg on September 22, 2003 10:49 PM

vg, this is what you said...

"Jason did cheat on Joumana and he cheated with me. I am the girl who was dating Jason while he was in Dallas."

So you're saying you dated Jason while he was in Dallas and that he cheated on Joumana with you. I told you that makes no sense because Jason wasn't even with Joumana when he played in Dallas. You may have been his girlfriend, but he wasn't cheating on his wife, since he didn't even have a wife until he was in Phoenix. Do you get what I'm saying? I never said that you were a cheater. I was just wondering how you could claim Jason to be a cheater when he didn't even get engaged until after he left Dallas. (Actually, he got traded the day after he got engaged.)

Here is something else you said...

"If you are a black woman who has ever dated an athlete when they were no one and then they cheated on you and ended up marrying a non-black woman, you would feel me."

You say you met Jason before he was drafted, but he was already a star in college! You knew that he was going to be famous and filthy rich. Don't say that he was a 'no one'. And now your saying he cheated on YOU? I thought you said that Jason cheated on JOUMANA, with YOU. You were with him after the incident in 2001? How soon after? Why do I doubt that Jason, who was trying desparately to repair his marriage at the time, would be galavanting around with an old girlfriend from Dallas? That wouldn't happen.

Are you just upset that he picked Joumana over you? It seems like you are trying to make her seem horrible just to make yourself look more worthy of Jason Kidd's attention. And black or non-black should not matter. Joumana is not a bad person because she isn't black. Jason doesn't have to stick to just black people. That is racist.

Again, Jason can easily get out of his marriage. He could have gotten out of it weeks after he started it. But he didn't. Stop being jealous because he chose Joumana over you. She is his true love. He was just waiting for her to say yes to dating. It took four years, but it was worth it for him. Again, the color of her skin doesn't matter. He didn't leave you, a black woman, for an arabic woman, to insult the color of your skin. That had nothing to do with it. You should stop using your skin color as an excuse for why he ditched you.

And again, get over it. He doesn't call you from the road to complain about his life. No one believes that. He hasn't divorced in 7 years, so no, he wouldn't rather be with you. Get over it. Next time I see him, I will ask him about this, okay? I'll see how he reacts to it.

And people on this board know more than you think. So don't try to pull a fast one.

Posted by The real anonymous on September 23, 2003 12:49 AM

I'm sure Jason had a lot of girlfriends in Dallas (that are all bitter now), but he was just waiting for Joumana to go out with him. She was the only one he ever really cared about. Sorry ladies.

Posted by Richard on September 23, 2003 12:54 AM

It obvious that you are a complete idiot...and some kind of kidd fanatic..that wishes she had some involvement with Jason other then someone looking thru a looking glass. Like I said, you need to learn how to comprehend what u read. Oh and you go right ahead and ask Jason about it, Im sure that poster on your wall will answer you back.. Reference my first comment
and you will see that I didnt follow basketball, especially not college basketball, so when I met Jason I didnt know that he was gonna be some big star..So get a life.. and stop living thru his..and when u talk to your poster of Jason...ask him to send me my tangerine thong..Stupid

Posted by vg on September 23, 2003 2:13 AM

And one more thing..since it seems so hard for you to read....let me break it down for you....
Met him while he was still at CAL..started dating him...He became a MAVERICK..still dating him....Joumana started coming around...We broke up...Jason and Joumana get married...Jason starts to realize that it was dumb to get married..Jason starts calling me again to talk about everything...Jason pops Joumana..Jason has some road trips..On two of the road trips..Jason and I hook BACK up (while he is married)
*****
So was that a little easier for your simple mind to understand...

Posted by vg on September 23, 2003 2:23 AM

You all need to get over it. I have to check my references, but I am positive Jason was married to Jason while he was a Maverick. And you all need to quit sweatin' Joumana, she was a HO in the town! Say I'm jealous, but if you read my earlier post, she got around for real. There are some beautiful women in Cali, and Joumana had her share of men. B4 she married Jason, she was with 1 of his boys the week b4. She probably has grown since then, but she had her day. Contrary of what you Jouman fans think, she was OUT THERE! VG, I can't judge you, but I cant say what your saying is a lie. All I say is messing with a married man is not cool, however you want to sugar coat it. I won't hate the game, when you have it, and messing with a married man is not game. Now if your checking a married man for his paper and not sleeping with him, thats game (if thats what you want to do), however you said you fell in love with him. You shouldn't have slept with another woman's husband. But, heh, do your thang! I don't want to offend anyone, I just call them as I see it. You didn't need to mention a thong though, leave it classy.
VG you are making yourself look pretty bad. If you made the mistake of messing with that woman's husband, leave it as a mistake. Making it sound like anything else is ludricous. There is no way to justify it, its just simply a f@#k up! It's easy to mess with a married man. I have had married men (not just ball players) come at me all the time, and actually it offends me. What makes you think I am the type of woman who would be cool with that. You obviously just want to f@#k! I shoot them off right away.
A DOG WILL ONLY GO WHERE HE IS FED! If you give him food he will keep eating. That phrase comes from a black woman. Take heed sista! A dog will get rid of a bone in a minute, let another dog want that bone, and the dog who originally had the bone will fight for that ole raggidy bone, chew it's ole dry ass until the other dog goes away, then he doesnt want it anymore, once again! That's how dogs work. Let Joumana try to leave Jason's ass and another man try to have her, Jason will be acting a fool behind that shit! Sorry I try not to curse, but some people act like they ain't (yes I said ain't, I have to get ghetto every now and again) got no sense.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 4:57 AM

OOPS, I mean Jason was married to Joumana. Sorry for the mistake.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 4:59 AM

only one thing to you mb...when I fell in love with Jason it was prior to him being married..it was when he and I were dating...What happened later was purely the art of getting my little share of revenge for Joumana steppin up on me when Jason and I were together
and its as simple as that

Posted by vg on September 23, 2003 8:04 AM

OK, heh do your thang.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 1:30 PM

Vg, I'm not saying what you did was right (i'm sure you could care less), but I can see where Joumana could take you there. She can be a biatch! I have experienced it first hand. I don't know how she is now, or in Jersey around her neighbors and people she is trying to impress, but she was a biatch. Unless you checked her A-- (which my cousin had to do 1 night, and my cousin never gets in2 it with people), she will be a u know what.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 3:04 PM

SOME WOMEN HAVE NO SELF ESTEEM. OKAY FIRST THINGS FIRST,

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Kidd/Kidd_bio.html
OR
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/2002/year_in_review/kidd/

READ THOSE BIOS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE IS TRUE. Jason started liking Joumana back in 1991 when he was a senior in High School. She paid him no mind and ignored his childish ass until 1996 when they started dating. They got married while he was in Dallas before being traded to Phoenix because her mother wouldn't let her move to Phoenix with him. Feb 1997. They had a big wedding later that year in August 1997. I have pictures to prove it.....

Now as for the love they both have for each other, take if from me... There is no f&%king way you go through child birth 2 times (one being twins) if you don't love the fool. So there's no doubt that she loves him.

Ms. VG, if what you are saying is true which sounds to be true, you said it yourself. The longer one is married the more you get (prenup) so why wouldn't Jason leave Joumana's ass after he popped her and she called the cops on him and spoiled his reputation, hess got his ass traded to NJ? If that's not love then OJ is innocent! Come on sweetheart explain all this. I asked Jason if the initals VG mean anything and he read this message board. All he and JoJo can do was laugh!

As for *~~* who you are we don't know, but if you work for the Kidds start packing............ Hahahahahaha

Posted by DM on September 23, 2003 4:45 PM

what do you mean by that?

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 4:58 PM

and i never said i worked for them.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:03 PM

I am 100% positive that Jason married Joumana in Phoenix. Paul Silas, who was an assistant coach of the Phoenix Suns at the time, was the witness for the wedding. They had a game against Cleveland that night. Joumana spoke of this game in a NJ paper and of how she hoped Phoenix wouldn't lose to such a poor team on their wedding day. You can look it up, but they got married on February 21, 1997, the same night Phoenix played the Cavs. They got ENGAGED when he was a Maverick, but Jason got traded to Phoenix a day or so after he got engaged.

And vg, I don't talk to a poster of Jason on my wall. He currently lives on the other end of my freakin street.

And okay, you may not have known that Jason was a basketball star before you dated him, but by the time you "fell in love with him", didn't you know that he was a basketball player?!? You had to of known, unless you live in a bubble. He obviously didn't hide this from you. He was a star.

And where are you from? Are you telling me that you followed Jason from Cal to Dallas to be with him? I don't get it. If your from Cal, how did you manage to continue dating Jason in Dallas? And again, it was Jason's choice to leave you for Joumana (if this is even true). He was begging her for four years to be with him. It's not like she stole him away from you. He had wanted her all along. Get over it. I am sure you can find another man. If Jason thought it was a mistake, he would have ended the marriage. And punching Joumana would have been an easy way out of his marriage, but instead, he did everything he could to work it out and stay with her.

I sense that you are angry that people actually know about Jason's personal life to some degree, because it makes it harder for your made-up stories to sound believable.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:12 PM

i said there are other ways of finding all of this out.
and that is a cruel thing to say to someone.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:14 PM

DM, you are right except Jason and Joumana got married in Phoenix. They got married on February 21, 1997. See my above post. He had been traded to Phoenix on December 26, 1996. They got engaged on December 24, 1996. Maybe you are confusing his engagement with his wedding? I guess after they got engaged and Jason got traded, Joumana's mother didn't want her moving to Phoenix, so they finally decided to just elope in February of 1997 so that they could live together.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:18 PM

DM, are you Donny Marshall or are you just pretending to be? lol If you are him, PLEASE, please send Jason this website and make him read this stuff that people say/make up about him.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:21 PM

*~~*, I think DM is trying to say that you seem to hate the Kidds, or at least Joumana, so why would Jason enjoy having you work for him? I don't know, that's how I interpret it.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:25 PM

Has nothing to do with self esteem. Why would you make that assumption? I stand by what I say or have witnessed. I'm sure Jason and Joumana haven't personally sat down and read this board, they are far too busy. Just because you have an nba.net e mail doesn't mean you are that close to the Kidds. Also if you got the info 1st hand from jason or joumana, then why do you contradict yourself and say it's what you read?
You say Joumana wouldn't get with Jason while he was in college because he was immature, well from him smacking her over french fries (and Joumana admitted herself in the police report and 911 call that it happens all the time), sounds like when she DID get with him he was still immature. Hmmmmm, could it be because now he is PAID? Otherwise she would not give him the time of day as she did before. Also the wedding ceremony took place after they were married. They were married in Las Vegas before the actual wedding that you are referring to. Also, even though Joumana hadn't actually moved to Phoenix, she was having sex with him (and many others) b4 she was married. If your going to try to act all innocent and try to make it seem like, oh I just couldn't move out there unless I get married, pre marital sex is ok, just cant move because my mom said. She was a grown ass woman. If she was trying to respect her mothers wishes like that, she wouldn't have been getting her groove on period. Smooth move though. That was a Robin Givens and her momma scheme. You know he's whupped, put the cherry on top of the Sunday by making him marry you with some crap about your momma wont let you go unless your married. I believe she has grown to love him, however, her intentions were money related. I don't care if you agree or not.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 5:26 PM

*~~*, I think DM is trying to say that you seem to hate the Kidds, or at least Joumana, so why would Jason enjoy having you work for him? I don't know, that's how I interpret it.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:27 PM

She just didn't want to hurt her mom's feelings maybe? Like she didn't want it to look like she would rather live with a guy she was dating instead of her own mother. It had nothing to do with sex. It had to do with her mother being all by herself and Joumana leaving her for her boyfriend.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:35 PM

i don't work for them! i never did! for the third time: there are other ways to find all this out

i'm sorry to admit this, but i have no relation with them. i never did. i WAS a jason kidd fan.. and i wish i could have lived with them or know jason personally, but that will always remain a wish.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:39 PM

Ok, let's all leave *~~* alone. She doesn't want people to know who she is. It is okay. She obviously has some connection with the Kidds (even if it's distant), but she shouldn't have to tell us exactly what that connection is. So let's leave her alone because she has good info. lol

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:42 PM

mb, not so fast. DM could be Donny Marshall, one of Jason's best friends, so don't be calling him a liar right away.

By the way, DM, if that really is you, I hope you have fun playing where ever you playing this year. It's Italy, right? Just so you know, your summer league performance was great. You so deserved some minutes in the Nets rotation.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:46 PM

thank you real anonymous. at least SOMEONE is on my side.

i do have some info.. and i don't blame people for thinking i have some kind of connection. but i swear i only post what i've heard and read.

did i ever say i was a 'she'?

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:50 PM

i'm actually a guy. sorry if the " *~~* " fooled you. i just picked some stuff so i could stay as anonymous as i could.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:56 PM

Oh, sorry, *~~*. I just assumed you were a nanny in the Kidd house, so then I figured you were a girl. My apologies.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:06 PM

haha.. its ok. i was probably a little misleading. so its really my fault.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 6:09 PM

I didn't call DM a liar. However, I doubt Donny Marshall would be posting on this board. Again I didn't say he is a liar. I personally don't believe some of the things he has said.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 6:14 PM

Oh okay. How does one get an nba.net email address without being involved in the NBA?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:18 PM

He could have just found that e-mail address and linked it, saying it was his own. Anyone can do it.

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:21 PM

it could actually be a fake address

Posted by aNONymous on September 23, 2003 6:33 PM

do u think a real bball player would post his e-mail address on a message board that can be viewed by anyone?

Posted by aNONymous on September 23, 2003 6:36 PM

Well, whoever would pretend to be Donny Marshall is a little dumb. It's just said he said one little thing that triggered me to believe that that was him. And that doesn't have to be his main email address. It's not like he gave us his AOL screenname. And most people don't know who Donny is or could care less that he gave out one of his email addresses. These basketball players aren't Gods you know.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:47 PM

do u think jason really saw this website?

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:01 PM

Well Jason has internet access, obviously. And he is very concerned with what the public thinks about him. He's always reading what people have to say about him in the newpapers that are available online, like the NY Post and the NY Times. But would I be surprised if he did read this little message board? Yes. But is it impossible? No. If that person was really Donny, then sure, he could have given Jason this website. But I think it would be less likely that Jason would just stumble onto this website. I don't see that happening.

And don't worry *~~*, Jason won't find out who you are by reading you comments about Joumana on here. You don't have to pretend you never said them just so that he doesn't hate you, because I doubt he can figure out who you are by reading this.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:09 PM

thanks. i jus feel kinda bad, because everyone thinks i work there, or have some relation with jason. and i'm scared someone is going to get in trouble.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 7:14 PM

You're just being honest. It's okay.

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:22 PM

Well it could be a david marshall or someone else that name begins with a d that works for the NBA. It doesn't mean its donny marshall. I think you are trying to make this all up and make the Kidd fans think what is said is true. I don't think Donny Marshall would be posting on this board. Sorry

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 7:40 PM

i agree

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:44 PM

No, I did not make up a fake NBA email address. Come on, people. Okay, I don't really think Donny would post here either, but you never know. D Marshall and NBA... talking about Jason, referring to Joumana as 'JoJo'. I just assumed it was him. Sorry. We all found this board somehow, I don't see how NBA players couldn't. Heck, Donny Marshall isn't even playing in the NBA this year, he isn't that famous or God-like that he is too cool to post on a message board.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 8:41 PM

Believe me if donyell marshall isn't playing for the NBA anymore, the last thing he is going to worry about is posting on a board, that brotha is trying to get a job. And jojo could be made up, I have never heard her called jojo, unless they call her that now. This person could work for the NBA and knows thats her nickname, thats not hard to find out.

Posted by mb on September 24, 2003 12:35 AM

"Also the wedding ceremony took place after they were married. They were married in Las Vegas before the actual wedding that you are referring to."

MB, February 21, 1997 is the day that Jason had listed on his website as his wedding date. I remember reading articles about how they went down to the courthouse and Paul Silas was their best man. I even remember Joumana mentioning it during the all-star weekend in one of her little reporting gigs when she was talking to Paul.

So you're saying that in addition to the February 97 date, they eloped in Vegas before then? That doesn't make any sense. The civil ceremony in Phoenix wouldn't have even be necessary if that was the case.

The article that I have that briefly mentions Jason Jr also refers to Joumana as his fiancee and the date of that is February 16, 1997.

Posted by Nobody on September 24, 2003 11:06 AM

Okay people don't go all wacked out on this whole thing. I never claimed to be Donny and I'm not saying I'm not either. You go figure out who I am. Hell you are all welcomed to email me and see who I am. Real Anyon... Italy was in back during the CT Pride days which was in 97 not this year. And you are all right Donny isn't playing in the NBA this year. At least not for now cause there hasn't been any offers. But who knows, for now Kelly and Donny aren't going to hold their breath. JoJo is a nickname although she hates it cause she grunts when you call her that. But being that you say hey J and they both turn we had to call her something else. All you people who think NBA stars are too big to read small links like this one are wrong.. You'd be surprised to learn what they all do when we are just relaxing....

Posted by DM on September 24, 2003 12:26 PM

Hey *~~* why all of the sudden you so scared? Was it something I say? Some fans get a little too crazed for their own good. Keep your distance man...

Posted by DM on September 24, 2003 12:28 PM

Oh yeh by the way VG where are you? Post something else honey we want to laugh.

Posted by dm on September 24, 2003 12:31 PM

All I know is I was at a house of an acquaintance of some NBA players (won't say names). Jason called one of them on his cell phone and said that he did it, he married Joumana and they were supposedly in Las Vegas. After they finished their conversation and hung up is when a couple of the players were saying, well now thats she's his wife we gotta respect her. But they were clownin' because she had just been with another guy in the circle of friends a couple weeks prior to them eloping.
I'm just going by what I saw and heard myself.

Posted by mb on September 24, 2003 1:29 PM

Oh ok, DM. I remember reading in the Star Ledger that there was a contract signed for Italy (Avellino or something?) this year instead of the NBA, but I guess not. Wasn't the CT Pride days around 2000, not 1997?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:19 PM

mb, in an interview with American Athlete from 1997, Jason said that the guys on the Suns call Joumana a bunch of nicknames, and one of them that he mentioned was 'JoJo'. However, I figured only weirdos like me even knew about that little interview and remembered the exact nicknames that Jason rambled off over 5 years ago. So when somebody mentions the nickname JoJo, I figure that they are close with the Kidds. That is all.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:24 PM

So DM, do you find Joumana to be a bad person like *~~* does? Does she really need major psychiatric help? Do you think she is evil and only cares about money and fame?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:26 PM

DM, I so don't get how you can be the friggin star of the summer league and then get no offers. That really isn't fair.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:29 PM

Real Anonymous...

A lot of things happen and we don't know the reason for em! CT Pride was on and off from the 1995 CBA draft to 2000. In 2000 it was Greece but that didn't go too well. After that it was the Nets and pretty good days but unfortunately not a lot of playing time. Hey everyone has to do what he or she has to do to get on with life.

MB....

As for Joumana, no one is perfect. Not even my wife so I'm not going to throw stones when I live in a glass house. Maybe she did go out with alot of guys before she and J hooked up but that doesn't make her a bad person. Who the hell nowadays is a virgin in their 20's. Don't go around calling her a ho cause she was popular. She's a beautiful woman and a fun person to be with.

As far as I thinking she's a good person, she is. She's not the evil woman who's a bad mother and has a horrible temper and has J whooped. That's not it at all. Believe me J has alot more respect for himself and if she was like that, he would of walked out taking the kids. His kids are everything for him. He loves them and if you spend one weekend with him and his family, you would see how great they are to each other. No they aren't perfect and hell ya the fight but who the hell doesn't. One thing is for sure; he never fights in front of the kids. Never! Nor do they fight in front of the hired help, which by the way are only 4 or 5 people. Not this outrageous number 12 or something like that. You have to understand, she's got a career that is just starting and J has all his training and personal appearances to worry about so he ain't got time to do all the things he would love to do himself. That doesn’t make him a bad person or her for that matter. Hell you know how many busy working mother and fathers totally and completely ignore their kids. Why you think there is such a high number in illiteracy in this county. Cause no one reads to their kids at night no more. J does, and if you don't believe that ask the night nurses....

it's clear that you don't like J or Joumana MB and you may have your reasons but that doesn't give you the right to bad mouth anyone. I've read all the posts going back to March and some of y'all are way to demanding and expect way to much out of the Kidd family. They are like everyone in here, normal, and they deserve to live a quiet and peaceful life without having to worry about people trashing them.

Posted by DM on September 24, 2003 3:00 PM

bullshit.

Posted by aNONymous on September 24, 2003 4:07 PM

Oh and MB don't mistaken the name.... Donyell is in Chicago not NJ it's Donny..... just plain Donny

Posted by Kelly on September 24, 2003 4:07 PM

why is it bullshit

Posted by Anonymous on September 24, 2003 5:50 PM

its just someone pretanding to be somebody else

Posted by aNONymous on September 24, 2003 6:08 PM

So you think this person is pretending to be Donny Marshall? Who would do that? I dunno, I kind of believe it is him. He even put his wife's name in there (I'm assuming he was referring to his wife), and I don't think there are many people in this world that know his wife's name (unless they are close to him). He gave like extensive background about his CBA days. He knows about the nickname 'JoJo'. Stuff like that. It seemed like he tried very hard to cover up that it was him and then he says this...

"You'd be surprised to learn what they all do when we are just relaxing" (Notice he went from talking about 'they' to 'we')

If this isn't Donny, then it at least must be someone close to Jason's circle. Maybe I am a little gullible, but basketball players are normal people when it comes down to it and they surf the internet, too. And in Donny's case, I'm guessing he has a little free time. Why can't he post here?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 10:43 PM

Okay enough with the crap ..everything I said is real and for whoever..DM is..enough with the initials..ok..Im Vanessa gaines..from Sacramento, Ca..and everything I said is real..so u and j and joumana can keep laughing it up..Whatever!!!.I just came to vent some steam..If i wanted to I could go ahead and let ""jojo" see some pics of me and her man.
So that she can see he was cheating on her...
And for the rest of you..Get a f'ing life...
and get out of theirs..
Peace...
and Dm balls up baby if you have them..u sound a little feminine with your remarks..so I doubt u are any basketball player unless u r in the wnba..


Posted by vg on September 25, 2003 2:04 AM

DM, where do I start? First of all I never called Joumana a ho, nor did I say anything about she should be perfect. I state my OPINION, as well as you do yours. I don't know anything about the help in their house, that wasn't me who was talking about that, so if your going to try to come at me, get your stuff straight. You obviously know a different side of the Kidds and thats good. The side I know of each individually is far different. I do have negative opinions, I have positive, and open minded ones as well. I have also said people can change. Yes I do have a negative opinion of Joumana, and that is from what I have seen or heard myself. I have that right. And who are you to tell me I don't have to bad mouth anyone? I can do what I want. It's so funny how you all stick up for peoples faults. If I was to say someone was a ho you couldn't stand, and she did get around, you would be like "yeah she is", but since a lot of you hear LOOOVE the Kidds, you try to control and attack any negative opinions. You know what though? I'm going to keep on saying what the hell I want. You know why? Because I can. You know what else? I don't give a damn what opinions you all have of my comments.
You also said they have a right to live a quiet and peaceful life without being trashed. C'mon, what planet have you been on? They are famous. All famous people automatically are going to be up for trashing and ridicule from the public based on them and their actions. If you don't give people things to feed on, and you don't hear negative things, people eventually leave them alone and they can live quiet and peaceful lives. Jason and Joumana have put themselves out there. Their actions toward SOME people have obviously caused negative vibes. So DM, WHATEVER!
VG, you got your clown hat on girl.

Posted by mb on September 25, 2003 3:14 AM

Also who cares if it is Donny Marshall, let him bring on the comments. Yes basketball players are normal, but I bet you Michael Jordan or Shaq won't be posting or reading this board. Why? Because they have a job in the NBA and endorsments that keeps them too busy. hahahahahaha.

Posted by mb on September 25, 2003 3:19 AM

Also DM, you say don't call her a ho (which I never did) because she's beautiful and popular. Well most girls that sleep around are popular. Not in a good way though. But what makes it worse is she had slept with 1 of Jason's boys. Hey, how many people you sleep with is your business. When you start sleeping with boys, brothers, cousins, or even guys on the same team, thats not cool. That will get you a rep real quick, and she had 1. Not jealous or clowning, thats just a fact.

Posted by mb on September 25, 2003 3:23 AM

VG, do you happen to know Mateen Cleaves?

Posted by Anonymous on September 25, 2003 2:47 PM

how come no one is posting?

Posted by aNONymous on September 26, 2003 11:08 PM

VG, do you know him?

Posted by Anonymous on September 27, 2003 1:09 AM

vg, how old are you?

Posted by Anonymous on September 27, 2003 3:36 AM

Happy Birthday Joumana!

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 1:35 AM

vg, where are you?!?! where is anybody?!?!

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 1:51 PM

DM, did they have any type of party for Joumana? Did you go?

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:48 PM

ya know.. it was the twins' birthday on friday.

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:48 PM

they are having a party for joumana tonight, and then jason and joumana are going to mexico WITHOUT the kids.

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:52 PM

the kids aren't going to joumana's party either.

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:53 PM

Did they have a cute party for the twins?

LOL, what's with them and Mexico? They just went. And Jason has to be at training camp next Friday, so I don't know when they are gonna squeeze in this vacation. And what's wrong with them wanting to be alone together? TJ belongs in school at this time anyway.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 28, 2003 10:08 PM

school has never gotten in their way before. why now?

Posted by Anonymous on September 29, 2003 5:34 PM

TJ's in kindergarten now. It's more important than preschool, which is optional.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 29, 2003 11:26 PM

So how was Joumana's party? Did anyone here go? *~~*? DM?

Posted by Anonymous on September 30, 2003 8:34 PM

Joumana looks like Vanessa Marcil. Damn, I'm watching her on Conan O'Brien and they look like the same exact person.

Posted by Anonymous on October 1, 2003 1:16 AM

mb, you have been right on the money about jason,It's like you have been reading my mind, I haven't been able to post for a couple of days because of computer
problems,but i'm back and ready to post, keep making me laugh girlfriend(i hope)

*~~*, I doubt if jason and Joumana have come across this website, even if you do work for them,with all of the nannies, and night nurses,and handy people working for them,I doubt if they will be able to identify you, so keep posting all this good info so that I can be up on my dirt!

People calm down we are getting our "pressure" all worked up !

vg, where ever you are come back and keep posting girlfriend! I have a lot of dirt to catch up on.

Posted by D.D. on October 1, 2003 3:12 AM

Hi everyone!
I am here just to let you know that I use to date Jason's ex-agent aaron...and well I met Vanessa (VG) when she was dating J and she is telling the truth. What j and Jojo did regarding the whole situation was real wrong. JoJo saw the opportunity and took advantage. J was weak because she was something that he had always wanted and hadn't had. Well he is living in his weakness now. Seriously, Vanessa was a real cool person and it is a shame what happened because they were really perfect together, but well both her and J were still young and didnt see what they could have had. So don't knock what she says, you could tell when you saw him and Vanessa together that they both had very strong feelings for eachother. I bet if J had the chance to go back , it would be Vanessa on his arm instead of JOJO. And the stuff she said about being with him again after he was married is more then likely true and also about him calling her to talk. If you knew the relationship that they had you would know that its believable that in a time of need he would go to her. They had a very good relationship and friendship and some times no matter what happened, that is hard to walk completely away from. I think it was all about timing and age of the both of them, but that is my own personal opinion.. Vanessa if you read this, I am still in touch with aaron, call him and get my number I would love to talk to you. I heard your baby is beautiful

Posted by sandra on October 1, 2003 4:28 AM

"Time of need" blah blah blah

If it's true, then at the end of the day, she was still sleeping with a MARRIED man, and he was still CHEATING on his wife.

It's just too bad that she was willing to be the warm snatch that he ran to when he decided that he wanted to disregard his vows.

Posted by Nobody on October 1, 2003 9:29 AM

Sandra, Do you know what happened between Jason and Aaron, why did they part ways, did it have something to do with Joumana, give details please!

Posted by D.D. on October 1, 2003 2:37 PM

Ummm, Sandra, isn't Aaron married also? I know Aaron because my best friends sister went to school with his wife. I met him and his wife in the mall together some time ago. They were high school sweethearts. Unless they got divorced (which I haven't heard they have), then they are still married.

Posted by mb on October 1, 2003 3:03 PM

ok, umm.. well at joumana's party, she turned it around and made it a party for jason's signing. kinda late.. but oh well.
the kidds are on vacation now. all of them. without the nurses/help.

Posted by *~~* on October 1, 2003 3:34 PM

So they went on vacation with the kids too? They went to Mexico? So who was at this party? Tons of people?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 1, 2003 5:27 PM

Aaron is a terrible agent. He did nothing right. He was out to benefit himself more than he was out to help Jason.

Sandra, you don't know Jason. You have no idea what is going on in his head. He married Joumana and he hasn't divorced her. If he liked someone better, he would leave her.

Seriously, Jason had TONS of girlfriends from high school until marriage. He couldn't have dated any one of these girls for more than a couple of months. He had to have been dating these girls at the same time, too. To say that this Vanessa person and Jason were perfect together and loved each other so much is just bull. And I still don't get how this Vanessa person dated Jason in Cali and in Dallas. She moved to Dallas to be with him? lol. It just doesn't make sense.
Is this the girl, by any chance, the girl that was reportedly engaged to Jason in Dallas and then they broke it off? He was definitely engaged to someone and they broke it off real fast. I don't know who it was.

I'm sure there are tons of jealous ex-girlfriends of Jason's out there now that think that "they were the one for Jason", but let's get real, he married Joumana (and she was the one that he was after forever), not you guys. You guys don't know Joumana. And to think you were better girlfriends of Jason's than she was is just so dumb. You don't even know her!! Get over it and find your own man!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 1, 2003 5:42 PM

hey real anonymous, obviously YOU don't really know her either. She's a bia from what I know first hand in the town. All the Jersey folks seem to think she is the sweetest thang, NOT!! Also Aaron is an excellent agent, yes he is out to get paid. He still doesn't get paid as much as his clients. If he was such a terrible agent, he wouldn't have the clientele he has, especially LEBRON JAMES! I have come to the conclusion, you don't know what your talking about 1/2 the time, and you need to get off the Kidd's jock a little. As we used to say old school, QUIT SWANGIN"!

Posted by mb on October 1, 2003 11:15 PM

Lebron James will learn. Aaron's a horrendous agent, at least he was for Jason. He handled a lot of Jason's situations very poorly. I didn't say I knew about what Joumana is really like. You don't really know either. You've never met her. You just go by what you hear from across the bay. I was just saying that Jason's ex-girlfriends shouldn't assume they know her. They shouldn't assume they were the better choices for Jason because Joumana is somewhat bitchy in public (if this is really true). Only Kidd knows what she is really like behind closed doors. She may not have been sweet around the Bay Area, but as long as she is sweet to Jason, that is all that matters, to him at least.

And mb, I would love to know what NBA players you have chilled with.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 2, 2003 12:33 AM

Is it possible that Jason is staying in this marriage
for the sake of his children?

*~~*, do you know if Joumana has a pretty good relationship with Jason's mother and sisters,I remember reading an article where she didn't have a very good relationship with his mother at one time.

real anonymous, why are you always so quick to defend Joumana, she maybe nice to you but she may be a b--ch to other people I've never met her before in my life
so I can't really judge her,but If half the people who have posted on this website keep saying the same thing, then maybe there is some truth to it.

Posted by D.D. on October 2, 2003 2:03 AM

And real anonymous I have met Joumana, if you would read my sister had to check her behind b4, and my sister is hella nice and doesn't get into it with anybody. She was even bothered that Joumana made her have to go there. I don't go by what I heard, I (again if you would read) go by what I have encountered with her 1st hand and also word of mouth. So get your stuff straight b4 you try to clown and act like we (as in the people who have had negative encounters with Joumana) don't know what we're talking about.
Also I have only kicked it with 2 basketball players and that has been from 1992 and another in 2000. I have a lot of friends that play, and to tell you the truth, I like it best that way. They are much better to get along with as just friends.

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 3:15 AM

Also real anonymous, I'm sure there are many more ball players that think Aaron is a great agent. Why do you think he has so many top clients. You don't have a clue when you make that statement. Did you see Jason's contracts or endoresments that Aaron negotiated for him? Oh, I didn't think so. Please, please you need to quit. Yeah, Aaron is such a TERRIBLE agent. Thats why Lebrons contract is so sweet, and thats why he signed a 90million dollar contract with Nike amongst others. Thats why Lebron chose him over the thousands that wanted, and would have worked for damn near free to get him. Yeah real anonymous, he's a horrible agent.
What do you do for a living by the way?

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 3:20 AM

oh and even though I answered your question about how many ball players I "chilled" with. The real answer is, enough to know what I'm talking about.

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 3:21 AM

I thought Aaron and Jason parted ways because Aaron refused to play along as Joumana's agent and look for jobs for her. I know that Jeff Schwartz represents both Jason and Joumana, and I thought Aaron refused to represent Joumana.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading that somewhere.

Posted by Nobody on October 2, 2003 8:17 AM

Damn you people have it all @#$&^% up. MB you were on the right track when you said "Sandra" sounds fake. I aint got time right now to post but I"ll be back.

Posted by DM on October 2, 2003 12:22 PM

Umm, DM I didn't say Sandra sounded fake. I just was ?ing her messing with Aaron when the last I recall he was married.

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 12:49 PM

Nobody your probably right about why Aaron and Jason parted ways. I know Aaron is a great agent. He doesn't like the spotlight. He has represented Gary Payton, Damon Stoudemire, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Jamal Crawford, Derek Fisher, Todd MacCulloch, to name a few. He has also negotiated over 700 million on contracts for his clients. There are a lot of articles about Aaron. If you would like to read a good 1 here is the link. Again Nobody, (great alias by the way, Nobody) you have no clue when you make that statement. Just like you defend Joumana, I defend the peeps I like.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134748826_kell16.html

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 1:07 PM

Aaron was a horrible agent for JASON, ok? He didn't handle some of the rough situations that Jason was in very well. There wasn't always honesty in certain matters. If you followed Jason in Dallas, you would know some of the things he said that weren't always the truth, especially things concerning Jason's relationship with management and players. Jason went through a lot of turmoil in Dallas. That is all. 1 agent isn't going to be good for everybody. He may work out well for LeBron. Who knows. Heck, Jason's current agent said some things over the summer that weren't really good to say.

I recall you saying previously more than once that you have never met Joumana personally, but have just seen her from a distance and heard things. Sorry if I am recalling that incorrectly.

I'm not defending Joumana. I'm just saying don't jump to conclusions because you saw/know what she was like 10 years ago. She was a friggin college kid for goodness sakes. And I was saying that Jason's ex girlfriends that are supposedly here shouldn't judge Joumana since they probably don't know her either. I'm not saying I know her either, cause I really don't. She lives on my block, but with a gated estate, you don't really get to converse.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 2, 2003 4:55 PM

In case anyone coming from one of these four places --

- Nets Hoops
- Sports-Boards.com
- FeelTheRoar.com
- Nets News Message Board

-- wishes to know, "Keg91" or "KVas91", who apparently signed up on those sites just to post a link here, is doing what's often called "trolling" -- trying to get people worked up over something just for the sake of getting people worked up.

(Perhaps not coincidentally, someone using "Keg91" in an email address used to participate here, but chose to stop.)

Anyone is welcome here, though I do ask that you keep it civil. And, as they say, please don't feed the troll.

Posted by Matt on October 2, 2003 7:41 PM

Thanks Matt. It looks like Karina just can't stop her nonsense.

Posted by Richard on October 2, 2003 7:53 PM

"Again Nobody, (great alias by the way, Nobody) you have no clue when you make that statement. Just like you defend Joumana, I defend the peeps I like."

Huh? I don't defend Joumana. I get sick of seeing her mug when I'm trying to watch Nets games. I want to see the Nets: not the Kidd family's pathetic sideshow of the fake fairytale.

Posted by Nobody on October 3, 2003 8:33 AM

*~~*, you rock!!!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 3, 2003 12:23 PM

Hey Matt you ass wipe, I didn't join all those boards to post about this silly little site. In case you didn't notice shit for brains, FTR.com I've been a member there since May and then they had computer problems and went down for the 4th of July weekend and I re-registered. I have no idea what you mean by trolling so if you are referring to the fact that I went on some of those websites and told people that you all in here are talking shit about the Kidds then yes I'm guilty. According to Matt I only joined this site to post about this site. Not true. If any of you have read my posts I talk about basketball in general and I never try to pretend to be someone else or talk trash about anyone. Okay except maybe call Shaq names but who doesn't. I have been posting in FTR.com for the last 5 months because people in the other message board (not going to mention names) are all stupid. And all they did was talk about how bad this is and how bad that one is instead of concentrating on all the positive things about basketball. But oh well who care.

I hope someone from the Nets Organization stops this site because there is way too many lies being said in there.

And I happen to know that some of my friends from the Nets Org. have already been here.

Hopefully Matt won't erase this posting being that he claims we are all allowed to post whatever we want.

Posted by Karina on October 3, 2003 1:41 PM

Oh one last thing... I stopped posting in here because you people are all full of shit and the shit was getting too high for me to take.

Posted by Karina on October 3, 2003 1:42 PM

Karina, you are right -- I didn't notice your posting history on FTR -- and I apologize. And I promise not to delete your last two comments; if you let this be, I won't even prevent you from continuing to comment here.

But, please, just let this be. My intention wasn't to antagonize you, I just don't want people coming here just to get into unnecessary arguments.

Posted by Matt on October 3, 2003 3:47 PM

Karina, if you think there are lies, then could you speak up and say what they are? Because I never know what to believe. I think people are just posting things that they think are true, but may not be completely sure about. Don't get mad just because people may have heard something negative about Jason.

Posted by Anonymous on October 3, 2003 4:36 PM

I think that's fair Matt, I promise not to continue on my little journey to try and clear up what people say in here on other boards. But, my intentions were never bad in fact; the purpose for what I did was to give other people that I know, who also know the Kidds, an opportunity to get Jason to defend himself in here. A lot of the things said in here, myself included are not our right to spread. Whether or not he is a lying, cheating no good wife beater like some of you like to call him, doesn't give anyone one the right to slander him or get into saying that his marriage is a sham. Even if it is or isn't it's their right (the Kidds) to comment not ours. I agree with what Donnie said before, we should just let them be. And although he told me to just ignore you haters and keep on being his friend and fan, the truth is I can’t. You don't like them fine. But don't go finding dirt on him or his family just to continue on the arguments. I have a son who is 12 and looks up to Jason, not the person but the athlete. There should be no reason why he finds a website that give out the entire dirt on his personal life! And if you think about it really good Matt, I would delete all the awful things that some have said. Imagine if you were a really busy athlete and your wife too was a high profile person who has a career. So you get a nanny for your kids. Does that mean you don’t love them or don’t want them? NO right! So imagine that one of your kids decides to surf the web and reads things like this about your family. At what point do we stop? I know that we have the right to freedom of speech but where do we draw the line? All I am saying is can’t we talk about something more interesting than all the bad he has done. Doesn’t he have a right to change and hasn’t he proven that he’s become a better person?

Posted by Karina on October 3, 2003 4:56 PM

Jason's in the public eye. Having your personal life known and discussed by everyone comes with the territory of being a NBA star. This is why Jason is getting $103 million dollars and we aren't. He earns this money when people go online and dig up dirt about his past. We can talk about what we want. I think it wasn't so much the hiring of nannies, it was just that it seemed like the nannies did EVERYTHING and that Jason and Joumana (or just Joumana) wanted to be left alone. There are people here that work in their house or at least know people who do, so that is where this information is coming from. That is all. We are allowed to speculate about what might be going on.

And you have a 12 year old son? I thought you said you were 31? So you had a kid at 19?

You used to say you didn't know Kidd, but now you consider yourself his friend? And you now consider yourself someone who is a friend of people in the Nets organization?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 3, 2003 6:29 PM

"We can talk about what we want."

I echo that statement. People can talk about whatever they want to talk about. Sometimes the things are good. Sometimes the things are bad. Sometimes the things are true. Sometimes the things are false.

People still have every right to say those things. There's no need for someone to run and go play "Thought Police" just because they don't like what's being said. I say get over it.

Posted by Nobody on October 3, 2003 7:27 PM

Nobody I am sooo sorry I meant to direct my comments toward the real anonymous. sorry for the misunderstanding.

Posted by mb on October 3, 2003 9:36 PM

Also real anonymous, I said I didn't KNOW her personally, not met. So you did recall incorrectly, not a problem though.
Oh Karina, you need to quit and get lost again. Just like you told Matt to keep your postings, which by the way were very over the top with the language you chose, he should keep ours. He should erase the 1 where you said he is an ass wipe, and had shit for brains. Wow, you sound civil. I don't believe he said your name, why are you so defensive? You need to stay on your other board, you have issues.

Posted by mb on October 3, 2003 9:41 PM

Thanks, mb; I'm content to let my own actions and Karina's comments speak for themselves, so it's really OK.

Karina, I don't know what to tell you. When you emailed me however many months ago, I told you to trust your instincts and not what some people you don't know write on some board on the Internet. The same goes for anyone else, too -- you have to use your own judgment with these things, and you can't take them at face value.

And at the same time, people here are just saying what they think, and they're going to do that no matter what -- if not here, then somewhere else. (I never intended -- or even imagined -- that a page on this site would become home to a discussion like this; it happened purely by accident, because I happened to mention Joumana's maiden name in some comment I made over a year-and-a-half ago, and Google started sending searches for it over here.) Whether or not it's right for people to publicly say some of the things they say is a fair question, but unless I have good reason to believe they really are harmful to someone, I'm not going to pass judgment on individual comments, or censor them (even if I disagree with them, and I sometimes do) -- it's just not my place.

Posted by Matt on October 4, 2003 12:57 AM

I've had the chance to visit these other websites,they call everyone who has posted here kidd-haters or anti-kidd, I don't hate anyone in the kidd family because like I said before I don't know them,but I am very big fan of jason's on the court,anyway nobody here has stated in anyway that they hate jason or joumana, they are just stating facts that they know, and I believe that 70% of it is true. they also made a comment that they wish Jason would find out about this website,Even if he did find this site and read everything that has been posted about him , what the hell is he going to do, not a d-mn thing!

Posted by D.D. on October 4, 2003 12:58 AM

Well, it has been a while since I last posted and alot has been said. i've been pretty busy but coming back and reading all of these postings is reakky interesting. you guys have really good information. I didn't come back to bust anyone's chops about anything, because i am known to be very defensive at times. Nice to be back and KEEP POSTING.

Posted by mimi on October 4, 2003 11:04 AM

Hmm, VG has disappeared. I wonder why. lol

Posted by Anonymous on October 5, 2003 12:53 AM

Hey Sandra girl whats up..its been a long time.. thanks for the comment..some of these people are like
wow!!! I've been great..and I will call aaron and get your number..Im going to be out that way next month on business..we should hook up..oh and thanks..he is 14 months now....Now for Anonymous..I was gone because I was on vacation..and I have a life..Like I said..this site was shown to me by a friend..I only came here to let you guys in on some true stuff..but glad I came because I haven's seen Sandra in a long time and its great that we will get to be back in touch..and Mb.Aaron is married (now)..when Sandra was dating him, he wasnt...so try not to offend her by saying anything else that you are only assuming about... You guys must remember that myself and sandra are involved in all of this from close to 10 years ago..so relax....Oh and Real Anonymous....Aaron is an excellent agent..and had Jason stayed with him, he probably wouldnt be going thru alot of the things he has..he probably wouldnt still be with Joumana. Joumana didnt like Aaron, and Aaron wouldn't kiss her ass..that is why Aaron is no longer J's agent. Aaron and Jason were good friends before he was Jason's agent..Now, a friendship and a business relationship have been lost..and why? over a excuse me but fame hungry..bit*h!!!.. So dont talk about people that you have no clue on..stay on the other side of your little gate..and watch as the Kidd's pretend happy life goes by..Im out and have said all there is to be said on my part..Knock yourselves out!!!

Posted by VG on October 6, 2003 4:57 AM

Well VG I met Aaron and his wife in the mall in 93 and they were just married because they were talking about it with my girlfriend. Like I said I'm not assuming anything, I was right there. Then when we left my friend was telling me how they had been together since high school because her older sister and his wife were friends since high school. I am not trying to offend anyone, I'm just going by what I know. If he is still married to the same woman, he didn't just get married, they have been married for at least 10 years.

Posted by mb on October 6, 2003 12:21 PM

Matt,

You are absolutely correct. Everyone has a right to say what he or she thinks or feels. I have talked with some people and they have kind of opened my mind to what some of you had to say. I guess I was out of line for calling you names Matt and I do apologize for the improper language. Thank you MB for pointing that out to me. We all have a right to say what we feel and think and I should know better. I would like to apologize to anyone else in here I offended.

Now, real anonymous, I don’t understand your question. Yes I was 19 when I had my son. I got married at 17. Yes I am 31 years old but what does that have to do with anything we are saying in here? Not sure if you were trying to imply something. Also, I never said I don’t know him because on the contrary, I have met him on various occaccions. I wouldn’t go as far as saying we are buddies or the closest friends ever! I said I know a lot of people who are good friends with him and yes I do know people who work for the Nets organization. Just like I know a lot of the people who work in the NBA building in Secaucus. So what’s your question? And like the other person in here I live 5 minuets from his house so I have ran into him here and there before.

MB, I don’t have issues I just don’t like negative people. But you are right I will stay quiet and not post anymore since I am getting no where in here.

For all you Jason Kidd fans: Don’t let the negative things that people say in here get in the way of you being his fan. Jason is a really nice guy and if you ever get close enough where you can ask for a signature or a picture believe me he will do it.


Posted by Karina on October 6, 2003 2:01 PM

Vg, were you dating jason at the time that he was supposedly engaged to his other fiancee,if so would you shed some light on this women , tell us who she was, what she looked like.

p.s.

were you the other fiancee?

I also heard that she was a Hispanic woman, that was
just a rumor I heard so I don't know how true it is!

Posted by D.D. on October 6, 2003 3:56 PM

"Aaron is an excellent agent..and had Jason stayed with him, he probably wouldnt be going thru alot of the things he has..he probably wouldnt still be with Joumana."

What is Jason going through?? Jeff has done a pretty good job handling Jason's contract situation I would say. Not perfect, but pretty good. You are being ridiculous. You think if Jason still had the same agent he would have divorced Joumana??! That makes no sense whatsoever. What does an agent have to do with a marriage?! Yeah, I'm sure Jason's agent Jeff really convinced Jason to stay with Joumana, because Aaron would have made them get divorced. ::roles eyes:: Every time you say something you sound more bitter and jealous of Joumana. Let's face it... Jason didn't like you enough to continue his relationship with you. He chose someone else who was better for him. Leave him alone.

Oh yeah, in case you didn't know, Joumana majored in communications. She wanted to get involved in broadcasting. How do you think those people get jobs? They have to put their name and face out there. They are SUPPOSED to be looking to get on TV. That is the nature of their work. Joumana is not a bitch for trying to get on TV.

People are allowed to switch agents. Jeff is a very good agent. He represents people like Pete Sampras. Maybe JASON wanted an agent that would represent both him and Joumana. Don't you think he would like to see his wife have a successful career? Jason is a grown man. He can make choices for himself. I doubt he would just let Joumana control his life, picking out agents for him. I'm sure it was a mutual decision, or maybe just Jason's decision. Why couldn't HE be the one who wanted an agent who would represent the both of them?

And if you truly dated Jason, did you date him in California or Dallas? You keep avoiding this question. I doubt you would move to Dallas to keep seeing him. Were you his fiance in Dallas or not? Are you telling me that if I walk down the street, ring Jason's doorbell, and say your name, that he will know who you are?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 6, 2003 4:55 PM

Karina, I wasn't really implying anything. Just trying to see if you were lying because sometimes I can't tell real from fake. Married at 17? People still do that nowadays? Were you still in high school? I just find that interesting, that's all.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 6, 2003 5:02 PM

"*~~*, you rock!!!"

what did i do?

Posted by *~~* on October 6, 2003 5:11 PM

I will agree with Karina on, what does her being 17 when she had her child have to do with anything? If she had a child @ 14 it wouldn't make a difference in the person she is today.
Also Karina, noone is trying to pose a negative light on Jason. I try to look at both sides as much as possible. I go by what I have heard or witnessed. Just like you all say how sweet and nice they are, that is what you witnessed, I haven't. Just because I say what I have experienced was negative doesn't mean I am trying to give all negative comments. I agree that people do change, I do also have the right to say what I feel. You all that post all positive things go by what you see or hear as well. Sorry if you don't agree, but thats how it is.
Also I said you have issues because you flashed on Matt when you should have just taken his comment and let it go. This stuff is all in writing so there is no reason to get that riled up.

Posted by mb on October 6, 2003 7:20 PM

*~~*, you are getting behind on your dirt, give us an update.

Posted by D.D. on October 6, 2003 7:44 PM

i don't know. i don't think i should

Posted by *~~* on October 6, 2003 8:22 PM

*~~*, haha, I don't know. You have the best info here. I look forward especially to your posts.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 6, 2003 11:38 PM

*~~*,are you not going to post anything else?

Posted by D.D. on October 7, 2003 1:21 AM

I understand where you are coming from MB it's cool. Like you said I did take it hard and I was upset at what Matt said when I replied and wasn't thinking with a clear head. Perhaps it's because I've only witnessed the Kidds being nice that I have a generally good look on their positive side. I have personally never seen the ugliness that perhaps you have witnessed. But like I said, I have apologized and I'll try not to write when I'm not thinking clearly.

And to clarify things people... I wasn't 17 when I had my son I was 19. I got married at the age of 17 yes. I fell in love with my brother’s best friend being that I wasn't allowed to date. My brothers were very protective of me and so I couldn't date anyone and since all I could do is hang out with my brother’s friends when they were over I fell in love with one of my older brother's best friend. I have known my husband for the past 18 years. I met him when I was 13 and after 2 years of seeing him all the time and spending time to get to know him I fell in love as he did. We waited till I was 16 and we started dating and by the time I turned 17 we both knew that we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together. I’ve been married 14 years come this December and I never once regret getting married so young. Yes I was in high School. I was a senior in HS and I finished and graduated with high honors. Went on to college to study International public relations majoring in communications. That covers most of my life and if it sounds fake or made up to me well, you have the right to your opinion. But this is the plain and simple truth. I would never mock anyone who wanted to get married at a young age because everyone is different and we all mature at a different stage in our lives.

Posted by Karina on October 7, 2003 10:53 AM

And in case anyone in hear is interested in knowing about the NETS. most of the players are upset because the front office of the NETS just bought out the remaining time on Deke's contract. Which means he won't be on the team anymore. Everyone in training camp right now are in an uproar.

Byron Scott isn't looking too good to the players right now because he did nothing to prevent this.
Not that he could be he could have atleast said that Deke had an awesome 2 days at camp last week which proves he was getting back into tip top shape.

Posted by Karina on October 7, 2003 10:57 AM

Oops my spelling stinks.. I meant to say anyone in here... not hear

Posted by karina on October 7, 2003 10:58 AM

Hi, Does anyone know if Carmelo Anthony has a girlfriend? And if so is she black,white or hispanic? I gotta know!!! And I'll even pay for the information

Posted by joyandhappiness on October 7, 2003 1:53 PM

I feel you Karina. I know I have said some things in here sometimes out of anger. I have a potty mouth sometimes, in here I try to avoid cursing though because some people find that very offensive, also I just don't let the comments take me there. Some people don't believe the things I say and they have that right. I just go by what I have seen or heard here in the town. I am not trying to prove myself to anyone, and sometimes I don't even feel it is necessary to justify my stories, either they believe it or they don't.
As far as your personal married life, I still don't understand why that was brought up by whoever ?'d when you had your child or what not. I have went to high school who had two children before she finished her junior year and she is doing fine now. She didn't even get married to her first childs father but that is her. That has nothing to do with your personal opinion. I'm sure the person who ?'d it isn't perfect or has done things others would thing is ?able.
I just feel we should be able to post our comments, and whoever wants to to comment on it, believe it, or not believe it has that right. It should be that simple. These are other peoples lives we are talking about and the only people that should really be getting riled up over it should be the people in ?, but that is just my opinion.

Posted by mb on October 8, 2003 2:26 AM

Oops, typing too fast, I meant to say I have went to high school with a girl who had 2 children. sorry

Posted by mb on October 8, 2003 2:28 AM

lol, sorry about the whole getting married at 17 thing. That's very usual nowadays (Are you even allowed to get legally married as a minor anymore?) So I just found that interesting. You didn't have to explain it to me, Karina. I wasn't trying to say that it was a bad thing or anything like that. I was just trying to make sure that Karina wasn't making up any stories, since she has lied in the past.

Yay, the Nets won yesterday and Jason didn't even play.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 8, 2003 12:20 PM

Real Anonoymous you do need your parents concent to get married at 17. Yeh the NETS won...

Byron Scott had said that he was going to try to not use Kidd until it was absolutly necessary. That is the reason they did so many changing around before the season starts. Did anyone here about Kobe..

My friends out in the west coast told me that there is talk he's getting a divorce from Vanessa. I feel a little sorry for his whole situation he's in. There is a great story in Newsweek about Kobe off the court. I read it and it's really sad to see that he showed signs of a troubled person and no one noticed. Also, I had no idea that his team mate on the team were such animals. Those Lakers are real jerks.

If anyone is interested in reading the whole this it's on this site: http://www.msnbc.com/news/977323.asp

Being that his case goes to trial tomorrow it's just what is on my mind.. Thought I would share the info..

Posted by Karina on October 8, 2003 4:15 PM

I heard a lot of the things in the Newsweek article were untrue. I did read the article and it was interesting. If any of you have a chance to read it it is pretty good. I heard that he wasn't going to get a divorce from Vanessa. Then again that is just what I heard from what Kobe said (but he has already proved he is a liar). I also heard it from another source but I don't know how reliable that source is.

Posted by mb on October 9, 2003 3:42 AM

Word out of the Lakers Camp is that they are definitely getting at divorce. That Kobe wanted one 2 or 3 months before the suppose incident happened and Vanessa had a nerves break down when she heard. She also threatened to take everything from him if he divorced her but then the whole rape thing happened and that put a halt to the big divorce. Then later on, Kobe’s lawyers advised him that it wouldn’t be good for his image to divorce and that he should mend everything with Vanessa. Hence, this is the reason for the bling bling diamond ring.

Now, the latest word out is that since there is a possibility that Kobe won’t be playing this year Phil Jackson is trying to talk Mike Jordan out of retirement and have him play for the Lakers. Phil has confirmed that this is true but the words out from MJ’s reps are that MJ has said “NO WAY!” So I guess the drama goes on.

I tell you the NBA has more drama then any Soap Opera out there these days!

Posted by Karina on October 9, 2003 11:30 AM

Kobe shouldn't have married that young girl in the first place. He should have waited. Then his stupid behind wanted to do it his way so bad, when she wouldn't sign a prenuptial he went ahead and married her anyway. Thats why his agent severred ties with him. His ass is hard-headed and I hope he learns his lesson. He could have just kept Vanessa as his girlfriend instead of marrying her so quick, but nooooo, he always has to have what he wants.
I can believe thats why she had a nervous breakdown because when she went to the hospital that time they never said what was wrong with her. It was like January or December, I think she was still pregnant. Kobe is trying to deny it but then again he's already been caught lying so I wouldn't put it past him.

Posted by mb on October 9, 2003 12:49 PM

If they were thinking of divorcing in March, I doubt they are thinking about it now. I'm sure they are trying to keep the family together during this difficult time. And Kobe just tatooed Vanessa's name on his arm. You don't do that if you want a divorce.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 9, 2003 2:10 PM

The "Laker camp" didn't even know he was in Colorado getting surgery in the first place. They didn't even know where he was when he missed the first day of training camp.

So now the "Laker camp" suddenly knows that they are definitely getting a divorce? I don't buy it.

The National Enquirer started the whole divorce story to begin with. Now whether it's true or not is debatable, but I doubt the "Laker Camp" can "definitely" say too much about things pertaining to Kobe: especially not things regarding his personal life.

Posted by Nobody on October 10, 2003 12:35 AM

Well I heard it was from players that know Kobe that said that. Also they said today on the news I was listening to that in court they were talking about him wanting a divorce also. I can't tell with Kobe though. He got that tatoo to go along with his making up tactic. I don't think he is going to get a divorce anytime soon now due to the chain of events.
Holla!

Posted by mb on October 10, 2003 2:45 AM

I think it all stems from the National Enquirer article to be honest. If you believe that these were players that said that, then there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just not sure I buy that at all.

I find it really funny that these people who know damn near nothing about Kobe or what he does off the court can definitively say that he's "definitely" getting a divorce.

Mind you, I'm not questioning whether the prospect of a divorce was real or not. I'm questioning how the "Laker camp" can "definitely" say anything.

But hey, that's the beauty of everyone having their own opinions. We all believe what we want to.

Posted by Nobody on October 10, 2003 8:19 AM

Her baby was already born by then. She was rushed to the hospital because 911 were called. And the recordings on the tape said a young woman had passed out and was unconscience and needed medical assistance. Vanessa was the only woman in the house so that’s how Newsweek knew it was her. That is the date Kobe supposedly asked for the divorce. I agree with you MB that he shouldn’t have married her so soon. I’m not saying that it was because she and he were young but rather because of whom he was. And more than anything, I think Kobe married her because he needed a friend. The Lakers teammates were pretty cruel and unusually mean to him. Like I said, I don’t consent what he did or am I trying to defend him but only god knows what was going through his head. He obviously needs medical advisement and more family support. I also blame his family for walking out on him because he married Vanessa. Perhaps they didn’t agree and that’s all fine but you just don’t turn your back on your kids and expect them to be okay. I think the only ones to be blamed here are Kobe’s parents.

Posted by Karina on October 10, 2003 9:53 AM

oops forgot to add this to my previous posting...

That makes sense real anonymous but who really knows what is going on in his house now. The actual breakdown that Vanessa suffered was in March.

Posted by karina on October 10, 2003 9:56 AM

The Newsweek article doesn't say that they were "definitely getting a divorce." It doesn't even say that he asked for one. It says she supposedly found out that he had been in contact with a divorce lawyer and was thinking about it. Joumana said she thought about a divorce after Jason hit her. Did that "definitely" happen?

Besides, that wasn't the first time she had been rushed to the hospital. She was hospitalized in May of 2001, and I remember rumors on the internet that she was hospitalized in June of 2002 as well. So this incident in March of 2003 doesn't even raise my eyebrows. It goes along with the pattern that seems to exist.

But hey, everyone's entitled to believe what they want to believe. Personally, I don't believe that they were "definitely" getting a divorce. Considering? Maybe. Definitely? Nope. There's a difference between the two in my opinion.

I also have to add that the only person to blame for Kobe's situation is Kobe. To blame anyone else but him is a cop out in my opinion. You can't blame his family for not accepting his wife. You can't blame his teammates for not being nice to him. Everything is all on him. If he hadn't cheated on his WIFE in the first place, then he wouldn't even be in the predictament that he's in.

Kobe is still the one that stuck his ---- in the girl. He's the only one to blame for his situation in my opinion.

Posted by Nobody on October 10, 2003 11:01 AM

I agree. I never said I thought he was definitely getting a divorce, I read the same about how he was in contact with a divorce lawyer. I agree about the lakers camp, not just them but you really can't totally believe totally what anyone says.
Also I don't agree it was Kobe's parents fault. I personally woulnd't turn my back on my child, however, everybody has their way of teaching their child a lesson. Kobe is very stubborn. Sometimes children can be very stubborn (Karina, I'm sure you feel me), and we all have different tactics on teaching them a lesson. Kobe's parents felt it was out of their hands at that point, so the only way to teach him that he wasn't as ready as he thought he was was by letting him do his thing for a while. Kobe's father even said, he'll understand what I was trying to do in 10-15 years. I think if Kobe would have been more open to understanding what the people that were around him and cared about him were trying to do, he probably (not saying for sure) wouldn't be in the situation he is in. Kobe wanted to set out this perferct life for himself which is great, but sometimes we can't control the way things are bound to happen. Also people at the Laker camp tried to talk to and be there for Kobe, but he shut a lot of them down (supposedly). If you reach out to someone and they decline, you leave em' alone and wait until their ready to come around. If they need you, be there for them. Kobe's family and I'm sure his true friends are there for him right now. I hope he did'nt do this, I don't think he did, but the only 2 people that know are Kobe and his accuser.
Thats just my personal thoughts on this situation.

Posted by mb on October 10, 2003 12:07 PM

The lastest Jason Kidd rumor is that he requested to be traded if the Nets move to Long Island. That makes sense because Long Island is pretty much a dump, but team wise, I don't really think he's going to get any better than what he has right now. The Lakers, Spurs, Kings, and Mavs won't take him at this point in time, so what other teams are worth going to? None.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 10, 2003 12:30 PM

I agree, Nobody.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 10, 2003 12:34 PM

you can't put the blame on kobe family, because Kobe is grown man who felt like since he was grown he didn't have to listen to anybody,no matter how adult you are, sometimes it is still okay to take a little
advice from mom and dad!I don't think his parents didn't like Vanessa I think it was the fact that they were still very young and he married her after 6 mos. That was not love that heartburn

Know you see what happens to hard headed "grown people" they get slapped with sexual assault cases

I had heard about kobe and his teammates not getting along,he does not have any friends on the team, maybe if he wasnt so arrogant he might have one or two friend that is really sad.

Posted by Anonymous on October 10, 2003 3:58 PM

That last post was D.D. not Anonymous

Posted by D.D. on October 10, 2003 4:00 PM

I feel you MD on the subborn kids. Heck mine is a handful which is why I chose to have no more.

Now I agree that well maybe his parents were trying to teach him a lesson, they are also like DD said, the reason why Kobe was so arrogant. If they would of taught him to be a little more humble then he would indeed have more friends and not be so messed up. Now for what is coming out from the trail. It's painting a very ugly picture of Kobe. I personally never really liked him because I thought he was a arrogant son of a $%^$& but that was my opinion. Now I don't know if I feel sorry for him or if I just sympathize with his whole situation. What ever the case maybe, I feel there is not enough evidence to go ahead and pronounce him guilty.
That's what gets me so mad at times... Everyone is so quick to call him a rapist... Shouldn't we wait to hear the whole thing (story) first?
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

When did it turn to guilty until we prove your ass innocent?

That is a damn shame!

As for Jason wanting out because NJ Nets are moving to Long Island. Well that remains to be seen but can you blame him? Who the heck wants to drive out to the middle of no where to see a basketball game. Not to mention all the traffic and the horrible highway conditions. The damn LIE is forever under construction.. But I really do hope the Nets stay in NJ and that Jason does too.

Posted by Karina on October 10, 2003 11:06 PM

Karina, I doubt if Jason is going anywhere, just because he asked to be traded doesn't mean it will
happen, if this rumor is true, so calm down girlfriend ,I think he will be a "Net" til the day he retires, your love for him will keep him in New Jersey.

What would you do if he did get traded?

Posted by Anonymous on October 10, 2003 11:56 PM

That last post was again D.D. not anonymous

Posted by D.D on October 10, 2003 11:57 PM

Karina, I agree with you. I can't stand Kobe either. I still do believe in justice though. I do know it is a bad situation though because Denver was given authorization for unlimited funds to prosecute. I do hate the fact that they are trying to make an example of Kobe though. Again I hope for his sake he didn't do it. I don't care for the boy, but if he didn't do it he shouldn't be prosecuted and be left alone so he can live his life. They said in the Newsweek article that he only had a few friends on the Lakers, I know Derek Fisher was one of them. I do also believe what your were saying about his parents should have taught him to be more humble. I think his parents kept him to sheltered. I think that he probably already had that personality, and the pros didn't help subdue it.
EEEEEWWWWWW! Long Island. I'm not from the East Coast, but I do know Long Island it bunk. It's like me being and living in the Bay and having to move to Fresno or some shit. I hope you guys don't move. I liked Jeresy and Manhattan when I was there.

Posted by mb on October 11, 2003 12:10 AM

"If I have to move again, though, I might as well go to San Antonio," Kidd said.

JASON, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
Does Kidd even think about what he says? The Spurs would have to give up half of their team just to make a trade for Jason. And they really don't even need him because they have Parker, who is cheap, so it was easy to add additional players like Horry. If Jason was with the Spurs, they wouldn't have had enough money to sign a center and they wouldn't have gotten Horry and Turk and Carter and Mercer. They would have had, seriously, like 8 guys if Jason signed there. And Parker would have been pissed since he doesn't want to play shooting guard and he doesn't want to be Jason's backup. He would have asked for a trade. And they wouldn't have had enough money to resign Ginobili this coming year. I hope Jason really does read this board because he needs to realize that he wouldn't have an actual TEAM to play with if he dumped his monster contract on San Antonio. There would be about 9 or 10 guys. And they would seriously have 41 year old Kevin Willis starting at center and playing 48 minutes. Does Jason really think that the Spurs could have still signed Rasho, Horry, Mercer, Carter, and Hedo if he signed there for the max?? Haha. Someone, please get Jason to understand this. Tell him that the salary cap must be obeyed by the Spurs, too. And does he really, truly believe that those new players (who had below average performances last year on their old teams) really make the Spurs much stronger? Please. The Nets will make the Finals this year and the Spurs won't. You heard it here first.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 11, 2003 12:26 AM

Dallas has Nash. The Lakers have Payton. The Kings have Bibby. The Spurs have Parker. What other team is at the Net's level or above? I don't think any. If Jason ever demanded a trade, he would end up on some bad team. ANd does he know how big is contract is?!? A team would have to trade half their players just to get him!

Long Island has some nice parts. I don't think the Nets are going to end up there anyway.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 11, 2003 12:31 AM

On one side, I think Jason sounds a bit silly. On the other hand, I think he makes perfect sense.

He isn't supportive of the team moving out of Jersey. He could deal with Brooklyn because he wouldn't have to move. With Long Island, he'd have to either uproot his family and move or make a long drive almost every single day.

I can't see how he would be happy about either one of those possiblities when it comes to Long Island. He signed up for Jersey. He wants to stay in Jersey.

I think if it was a done deal that they were moving to LI before he became a free agent, he wouldn't have re-signed in Jersey. He would have seen that he was going to have to move anyway, so he would have gone ahead and moved to San Antonio.

That's what I think that statement meant therealanonymous. Not that if he's traded, that he wants to be traded to San Antonio, but that if he had to move, then he would have moved to San Antonio.

He'll have to move if the team gets relocated to Long Island. He would have preferred moving to San Antonio over moving there.

I don't blame him at all either.

Posted by Nobody on October 11, 2003 9:37 AM

Well, well,well, I see Karina is back posting. lets just everything goes right this time. So far so good let's keeping it going.

Posted by mimi on October 11, 2003 1:30 PM

You guys are all right. I think Kidd said that more to just stir up people than he did because he meant it. I don't think he wants a trade but he really doesn't want to be out in Long Island. You have to understand the situation out in Long Island to fully understand why he's so pissed off. First of all, Long Island does have really beautiful areas. It's a great place to go on vacation and all but not to live in. Unless, you have a house close to a commercial area and you work close by too. Otherwise, you will be stuck in traffic for about 1 to 2 hours each way a day to get into and out of LI. So it's not that great. The other thing, which is probably what has Kidd most upset about it the schools. NY school aren't ranked as high as NJ's. Not saying they don't have any good school, but rather the best are in the Rockland county which is north of NJ and North West of Long Island. Even further than Long Island to NYC is. So his kids would have to do some massive transporting in order to get the education they would be getting in their home town in New Jersey. You have to remember that NJ's public school are ranked in the top 3 of the nation. Not to mention the condition of the roads to get in and out of Long Island. They are all in horrible conditions and are always full of traffic because people need to slow down in order to dodge pot holes the size of a truck tire. In the long run, I don't think that the Nets will go out to Long Island but rather Brooklyn which is very close. Only bad thing about NJ is our governor. He's so anti-sports that he can give a fly rats ass about any of our NJ teams. Even when Christine T Whitman, who knew less about sport than a man (guess McGreeve isn't one) was in office she raised hell when the Devils were being shipped off to another state. Boy I miss having her as governor. McGreeve sucks! But that's just my opinion.

And to answer DD's question, I was a Net fan first then a Kidd fan so I will remain forever a Nets fan even if Kidd leaves I will still support my NJ Nets!
Not saying I wouldn't miss Kidd, I would extremely but life must go on and so I will remain forever in NJ and forever a Nets fan, Metrostar fan, NY Yankee fan, and a NJ Devils fan!

Posted by Karina on October 12, 2003 9:10 AM

Jason's kids go to private schools, not public schools. The schooling is not an issue. I think Jason is just ticked off about the fact that he may have to move again. I think they will stay in NJ, though.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 12:09 PM

How well do you think the Nets will do this year, now that the Lakers signed on new players and Mutumbo has left the Nets? I will always support the Nets but if they make it to the finals this year going up against the Lakers they might as well forget about it. What is the latest on Kobe and his case? Do you guys think the case will interfere with him being able to play? Well, it has been a pleasure to sit here and "chat" but sadly I do have to go. BYE mimi

Posted by mimi on October 12, 2003 12:55 PM

Kobe hasn't played a preseason game yet and Shaq sat out the last game, too. If Kobe does play this season, he's going to be incredibly distracted and therefore, probably won't be anywhere near as good as he could be. I don't think the Lakers are going to be as amazing as we think, given the Kobe situation and injury-prone Shaq. And I don't think the Nets really need Motumbo, as long as Mourning stays healthy. I think they can compete with anybody.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 3:12 PM

*~~*, this is why you rock...

In today's NY Post is this:

"Lovely Joumana Kidd held a surprise party for husband Jason at the 40/40 Club last Sunday to celebrate his new contract and the beginning of the new season. Byron Scott, Alonzo Mourning, Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson and 100 friends and family were on hand for the private event."

Now I wasn't even surprised by this because you told us about this a long time ago! That is why your the best!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 3:16 PM

no posts or threats from DM lately, huh?

Posted by *~~* on October 12, 2003 3:17 PM

haha.. its nice to know something that not a lot of other people know, isn't it?

Posted by *~~* on October 12, 2003 3:19 PM

Hey my name is Laura and I just stumbeled across this MB, and I'm so glad because there are NO good J. Kidd websites out there!!

I can't believe how much gossip I've been reading in the past hour ( I skimmed a lot) but I was wondering where the whole Toni Braxton thing came into the picture during the Dallas days, and if anyone could email the Mateen Cleaves article everyone is talking about, that would be loveley

laura

Posted by Laura on October 12, 2003 8:39 PM

DM and vg have disappeared.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 10:04 PM

*~~*
You seem to know so much. Can you tell us who besides the Kidds and the Net players were present?

Posted by D.M. on October 13, 2003 12:00 PM

And being that you know so much, What kind of party did they have for TJ's birthday yesterday? What was the biggest gift he got?

Posted by DM on October 13, 2003 12:23 PM

oh look, DM is back... i'm not telling you sh*t

Posted by *~~* on October 13, 2003 3:09 PM

You all need to get a life!!!! While you're busy worrying about what Jason, Joumana and everyone else is doing, they are living their lives, not concerned about what any one of you thinks about them. Do you guys ahve jobs??? My goodness!

Posted by Dana Kendra on October 13, 2003 3:44 PM

Dana, if you don't care about Kidd, then get off the board. We can discuss what we what and no one is forcing you to be here.

I was wondering what kind of party they had for TJ yesterday myself.

And DM, you have quite the variety of email addresses!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 13, 2003 5:27 PM

Oh yeah, was Donny Marshall at Joumana's party?

Posted by Anonymous on October 13, 2003 5:29 PM

Well ms. Dana, you must not have a job or life yourself if your posting too. It sounds like you need to get the same life your suggesting for us. Get Lost!!!
It sounds like you need some more schooling your self, it's HAve not AHve.

Posted by mb on October 13, 2003 9:31 PM

*~~*, T.J. and the twins were born in the same month.


Are you going to post anymore dirt, If not I understand after all you have to cover your butt just in case, but I really doubt If Jason or Joumana would ever come on this site.

Posted by D.D. on October 13, 2003 11:57 PM

What? Cover their butt? So you do think Jason is gay? I doubt he'll attack someone's butt just because they spilled dirt on him.

Posted by Mario on October 14, 2003 3:06 AM

Mario LOL you are too funny. I want to know who was at the party to DM... Dana we are all losers including yourself.... but worst yet.. who in their right mind posts their full name. Unless it's a decoy for us to think it's someone else.

*~~* come on tell us. I want to know too all the dirt you keep getting.

Posted by Karina on October 14, 2003 11:18 AM

I still maintain that you get a life, get a life, get a life!!!! why don't you just stalk The Kidds since that is the eventual next step since all you guys do is leave and breath for every morsel of information about them. Hey, I have an idea, why don't you apply for a nanny position? You will kill two birds with one stone that way-employment (since you seem to have none