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This is a space for the continuation of the discussion thread that started here.

January 26, 2002 5:48 PM

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"Has Joumana ever taken care of her children without the help of a nanny,nurse, or handyman? Does she ever feed them ,give them a bath,or combs their hair,"
No, theres always help. And she's never around to feed, bathe, or comb their hair.

And when i said they went to a psychiatrist, i meant like, in november or december of 2002. they were going for certain reasons....

"I'm assuming you are employed by the Kidds."
for personal reasons, privacy, and protection- i can't say that i have or haven't worked at/with the kidds. there could be other ways to find all of this out.

Posted by *~~* on September 20, 2003 9:45 AM

How awful. Does she at least buy clothes and food for her kids? Or does she make other people do that for her too? I hope she takes her daughters shopping once in a while to pick out cute matching outfits. If she was home, would she give her kids a bath?

And thank you for that info, I never knew that Jason and Joumana went to a psychiatrist in November 2002. I know that Jason's usual counselor passed away in late October of 2002 and that he wanted to find a new one in NJ, just so that he had someone to talk to. Maybe that is what they were doing? Looking to find a new couselor? Or were they having other problems that needed to be addressed? Do you know of any reasons?

And hey, it's okay if you're trying to protect your privacy. That's a good thing and I'm glad you doing it. You don't have to tell us who you are. We know that you are very knowledgable when it comes to the Kidds and that's all that we need to know.

Posted by Anonymous on September 20, 2003 4:44 PM

*~~*, when you are around Jason and Joumana, do they act like they're in love? Like do they show signs of affection? Do they spend a lot of time together? Do they like to go out together at night or do they prefer to relax at home? Or do they do a little of both?

I appreciate all of the questions that you answer here. Your responses are quite enjoyable.

Posted by Richard on September 20, 2003 11:52 PM

Well let me just start off by saying that after a friend of mine stumbled onto this website and told me about it, I read through all the comments. Jason did cheat on Joumana and he cheated with me. I am the girl who was dating Jason while he was in Dallas. I am the person who fell in love with Jason for Jason. I met him before he was drafted and I didn't know anything about basketball at the time. Oh and comments about J and his oldest son. Just stop it.. Stuff happens when you are young. FYI he did see jason originally, but then court issues started popping up, and that is why you dont here much about him. Stop assuming. I spent many a night on the phone with Jason while he was on the road, so that he could complain about his family life, and what a mistake it was that he married Joumana. Its true she isnt that great of a person..and after for his money.that is an understatement. She has always been in it for the money and the fame game. Why didnt leave Jason after he popped her?...Its call a pre-nup.. She gets more money the longer she stays in the relationship..and the more kids they have.. I was with Jason after his incident with her, when he came to play in --(no need to tell you what city) he said he didnt even know if the twins were going to be his and that when she had them he would be getting a dna test to make sure.. What does that say about his wife and their relationship. Jason should have married a real woman, a black woman. Thats why he is having all the trouble he is in now. Dont get me wrong..still love that boy to death, but he is dumb and yes very whipped..but dont think she doesnt hold the threat of calling 911 over his head again..regardless if he really hits her or not..And for the record..Jason does not have a history of beating anyone...including her..He just flipped out after dealing with her crazy nagging added with his already stressed life. Jason is a sensitive, loving man, who just married the wrong woman

Posted by vg on September 22, 2003 7:56 AM

"Jason should have married a real woman, a black woman. Thats why he is having all the trouble he is in now."

Do you know how silly this statement sounds? If Jason's FATHER was still alive, would you go to him and say "You should have married a real woman, a black woman." Jason's MOTHER must not be a "real woman" in your eyes. After all, she isn't black.

"He just flipped out after dealing with her crazy nagging added with his already stressed life."

Absolutely no excuse whatsoever.

Even though I don't care that much for Joumana, but if Jason's been cheating on his wife, then that's just another thing added to my own list about the Kidds that I have no respect for. I don't care if he regrets marrying her. The vows say "forsaking all others." That's what he's supposed to do.

And sleeping with a man that you KNOW is married is no better in my book.

Posted by Nobody on September 22, 2003 8:30 AM

Read this whole article and tell me that anything that everyone in here makes any sense..

I think we all want to hate the Kidds because everyone in here is jelous.

Posted by Anonymous on September 22, 2003 12:28 PM

The only thing I can agree with vg on is that it was rumored that the twins might not be Jason's. I also will say you fell in love with Jason, however, he only tells you what he wants you to know. Men that are married and fooling around are not to be trusted fully. I'm sure he cared about you as well as you do for him, however, there are two sides to every story and he told you what he wanted you to hear. I'm sure some things are true, and I believe Joumana's first intention was money related. I also believe he is whupped because he has a history of that with women.
I'm not a fan of Joumana's (I have said that time and time again), but that is still HER husband regardless of what you think of her and you getting involved with a man that is married, whether he married her after you or not is not a good situation. I'm not judging you but you don't really have a place to judge a woman's intentions or character when you have been with her husband, whatever nationality she might be. He made the decision to marry her, if he was that unhappy he should try to work it out or leave. If he has to pay, he just has to pay. You have to pay for your mistakes, if in fact that is a mistake to him. He made his bed, he has to lay in it. If you loved him as much as you say you did, the best thing (instead of having an affair) would be is to give him honest advice on what to do. If it can be worked out then he has an obligation as a husband to try to save his marraige, otherwise he needs to get out of an unhealthy relationship. My best friend (now) had deep feelings for me and I didn't know it until he moved his girlfriend (wasn't his girl when I met him) out here and then a year later married her. We liked eachother but he was too scared to show his feelings. When he finally did he was married. He was and is constantly going through issues with his wife and he says sometimes he wishes he didn't get married. I love him dearly and if he wasn't married I would be with him. He has asked to go on vacation with me and he wants to be with me, but I don't play seconds. I give him the advise I would give my girlfriends (only when he asks, because I am not trying to proactively help the next woman)you made the decision to get married which is a lifetime committment, so work it out or leave. I could go in2 detail more but bottom line is messing with a married man is wrong.
You say if he was with a real woman, a black woman, well from a black woman, a real woman wouldn't play seconds and carry on with a married man. If you think us as sisters are better (which I'm glad your proud of being black because thats a beautiful thing) you wouldn't play seconds to a woman of another race.

Posted by mb on September 22, 2003 12:49 PM

Nicely said MB!

Still don't believe anything written in here..

Posted by Anonymous on September 22, 2003 2:25 PM

when joumana is home, she still doesn't give them baths. the only thing she really does is buy stuff for them. she doesn't take them along with her to shop, she does it by herself.

I really shouldn't say why they went to a psychiatrist.

"when you are around Jason and Joumana, do they act like they're in love? Like do they show signs of affection? Do they spend a lot of time together? Do they like to go out together at night or do they prefer to relax at home? Or do they do a little of both?" - they don't show any affection. never a kiss or hug. they are barely together.. jason is busy practicing and making money, and joumana is busy shopping and spending the money. they sometimes relax at home at night, sometimes they go out.

" that he could complain about his family life, and what a mistake it was that he married Joumana. Its true she isnt that great of a person..and after for his money.that is an understatement. She has always been in it for the money and the fame game..."

thats what i've been trying to say. you and i are on the same page. we both know what the truth is, but some people just don't want to believe us.

Posted by *~~* on September 22, 2003 4:43 PM

vg, you are full of crap... I will write more when I have time.

Posted by Anonymous on September 22, 2003 4:45 PM

Also just because we don't care for the Kidd's doesn't, by any means, mean we're jealous.
You know as long as I have been posting here, I still don't understand why the people that are Kidd fans can't take the bad with the good. Obviously a lot of them are from Jersey or East coast. I'm tired of y'all! Get over it, not everyone that has something to say negative means their jealous, or furthermore that it's a lie.

Posted by mb on September 22, 2003 5:33 PM

Okay, all of the Joumana is a bad, evil cheater crap is dumb. Now *~~* knows more about this than I do, but there may be more deeper reasons why *~~* feels the way she does about Joumana. I'm guessing Joumana has ticked her off somehow. If she was that bad and if Jason was as unhappy with his marriage as vg claims, he would have gotten rid of her a long time ago. He doesn't need her. According to what *~~* says, Joumana doesn't take care of her kids, so why would Jason need to hang on to her? He coulda gotten rid of her a long time ago. And about Joumana just spending money, I'm sure she buys things for her whole family, not just herself. And what she does buy for herself, remember that she works too. She has an income. She works at least 2 jobs as far as I know. She is not just spending all of Jason's money. And you could argue that if it weren't for her, Jason wouldn't be as good of a basketball player and wouldn't be making all of this money to begin with. So basically, his money is her money if you think about it. Without her support, Jason said he would be nowhere.

And vg, if you are going to make up lies, saying how Jason had an affair with you, at least get your facts straight. Jason didn't talk to Joumana the majority of time he was in Dallas. He didn't date her. By the time they were getting serious, he was in Phoenix. So to say you were his girlfriend while he played for Dallas and then call it an affair makes no sense, since he wasn't engaged to Joumana until he was traded to Phoenix. (To be exact, he got engaged to her a day before he got traded to Phoenix.)

And vg, you obviously know nothing about Jason's past. He smacked a woman repeatedly at a party when he was 21. Don't tell me he doesn't have a history of abuse. He has a bad temper.

And if marrying Joumana was a mistake, he would have gotten rid of her. Stop pretending that Jason comes to you with all of his problems. I am sure that Jason, who is very worried about his public image, goes to you, some girl that he can't trust (and probably doesn't know), and says how troubled his family life is. That is bull. Everytime I see him, he looks nothing but happy to be with his wife and kids. And at least in public they share some affection. Some of it must be an act to look like a perfect family, but some of it must be real. You just can't totally change you body language in public without it making look fake.

And you lose all respect when you show how prejudiced you are.... saying that only black people are capable of being worthy wives of Jason Kidd. That is pathetic.

I have never heard anything about Jason questioning if the twins were his or not. Everytime people would talk to him in March of 2001, he would say how excited he was that he had twins coming in the fall. He wouldn't have mentioned this over and over again if he wasn't certain that he was the father. I doubt Jason would still be with Joumana if she was cheating on him anyway. Like I said, he doesn't need her for anything. They wouldn't go through the trouble of counseling and Jason wouldn't have begged Joumana to stay with him if he didn't love her.

What it comes down to, is that you are either very, very jealous of Jason and the life he lives, or you just have too much time on your hands and are trying to get attention.

And *~~*, did they go to counseling because of an affair, perhaps? There were rumors here of Jason having an affair with the girlfriend of Mateen Cleaves, but I think somebody proved that that was made up? lol, I don't know.

And since others are using the name of 'anonymous', I will call myself 'the real anonymous', since I was the original.

Posted by the REAL anonymous on September 22, 2003 6:01 PM

I don't know, but I listened to Joumana for over a half hour on a radio show in May and she didn't sound bad at all to me. She seemed on the ball about talking care of her kids. Like she said that she speaks with TJ's principal regularly for parenting advice and she mentioned some of the advice that the lady, who has a degree in child psychology, told her. I don't think you could make that stuff up. She said how she took her whole family to brunch for Mother's Day. And then in the middle of the interview, TJ must have come up to Joumana to ask her to play or do something, so Joumana told the radio lady to hold on for a second. She put the phone down and left for a minute and if you listen closely in the background you could hear Joumana speaking sweetly with TJ and telling him that she would be over to play with him when she was done with the interview. You weren't supposed to hear it, but you could. You can't tell me that she ignores those kids. If she did, TJ would never tolerate sitting with Joumana at every game. She may not spend enough time with them, but what working parents do nowadays? Not many. I don't know, I would love to be in Joumana's shoes, and I'm guessing some of you do, too.

Oh yeah, she's on Third Watch tonight. Everyone who says she is 'bad' because she likes to be on TV, don't forget that that is what people in the tv business want to do.... they want to be on TV. It is their career. It is not a wrong thing to try to promote yourself to land tv jobs. It's hard to be successful in the tv business, so people try everything.

Posted by jessica on September 22, 2003 6:19 PM

Hey real anonymous, you need to get your facts straight, Joumana was married to Jason in Dallas. Also if it was ?able whether the twins where his or not, unless he was about to or had left her, why would he publicy say it was ?able. Of course on TV people say different things. Just like when it was rumored that Heathe Locklear and Tommy Lee were divorcing Heather Locklear assured a writer for Enquirer it was false and begged to withhold the story, a weed later, they filed for divorce. Thats just 1 example. People are even trained on how to handle media and keep them (somewhat) out of their business.
Also Jason might have (not saying it's true) confided in a woman he barely knows, he knows that most people wouldn't believe it anyway (like yourself). He is a sucker for women. Also in Dallas he just married Joumana (whom he didn't know that long at the time also), so it's not impossible.

Posted by mb on September 22, 2003 7:30 PM

um, no, mb. Jason got traded to Phoenix on December 26, 1996. He got married to Joumana on February 21, 1997 in Phoenix. They had a game that night in Phoenix against Cleveland. They did not get married in Dallas. The day after they were engaged, Jason was traded to Phoenix. Therefore, Jason was allowed to have girlfriends while he played for Dallas. He wasn't doing anything wrong.

Posted by The real anonymous on September 22, 2003 8:20 PM

Jason knew Joumana for years. From 1992, he had his eye on her. She was the one. For four years, she wouldn't go out with him, thinking he was too arrogant (which he probably was). They dated for about 5 months before they got married. They were going to marry in the summer, but pushed it up to February because (I've heard multiple reasons why they got married in February) either Joumana's mother didn't want her to move in with a guy that she wasn't married to (Jason had moved to Phoenix and wanted Joumana there with him) or because only wives are allowed on Phoenix's team plane (Jason wanted Joumana on the team plane.) I don't think they rushed anything. Again, if Jason thought he made the wrong decision, he would have ditched Joumana a long time ago. But he didn't and they have been married for almost 7 years. Obviously, they don't hate each other.

And I didn't expect Jason to say it was 'questionable'. But he could have just not mentioned it. HE was the one that would proudly bring it up to the media. The media would ask him how he and his wife were doing and he would say something about how everything was working out well and then he would say 'We're expecting twins in the fall and we're really excited.'

If Jason didn't think he was the father, he wouldn't have brought it up.

He also said in March how happy he was that he and Joumana were going to hear the heartbeat for the first time.

If this was questionable, Jason would have kept the pregnancy to himself, or at least, he wouldn't have gone out of his way to mention it.

Posted by The real anonymous on September 22, 2003 8:38 PM

Okay look I didnt post my comment on this website, so that I could get attention or because I was telling a lie about my relationship with Jason. So "The real anonymous" you can kiss my... You think you know so much, but you dont. Oh and learn to comprehend what you read. I said that I met Jason before he was in the nba and I was his girlfriend while he was in Dallas, not that I was having an affair with him while I was his girlfriend (duh). I was with Jason after his incident with Joumana..(the slap). Practice that comprehension before you call me a liar. As far as my comment that he should have married a black woman, I stand by that. Why? If you are a black woman who has ever dated an athlete when they were no one and then they cheated on you and ended up marrying a non-black woman, you would feel me. It happens way too often..And as far as the comment that was made regarding what I would have said to his father...First of all, none of you knew him so dont even say anything about J's dad..he was a wonderful man, and his mother is a wonderful (non black) woman. and guess what my father is black and my mother is rican/german...but a long time was said that if you have any black in you, you are black...regardless of what else is mixed I can make that comment because I am watching professional black men and pro athletes leaving the black woman that stood by them and got them places, for a non black woman, and its simply pitiful. So until you have walked in my shoes dont question my comment or doings. I was with a married man, yes I was and I would be with him again. Why? not because Im low down..or mean, but because at one point J was with me and joumana decided that she would step in, and because J had been turned down by her in the past, it was like a conquest for him, so our relationship ended. An eye for an Eye...All is fair in love and War... Its War..and know I am not hating on them or her...Im being real.. I have a wonderful life, but when someone I consider to be still a friend, calls me and tells me he made a huge mistake and cant reasonably get out of it at this time. Im there for him, regardless of the way I am there for him. Oh and believe me I know that a man will say anything to get what he wants..but dont forget so can us women..So dont hate the playa...hate the game
Mind yours "the real anonymous"

Posted by vg on September 22, 2003 10:49 PM

vg, this is what you said...

"Jason did cheat on Joumana and he cheated with me. I am the girl who was dating Jason while he was in Dallas."

So you're saying you dated Jason while he was in Dallas and that he cheated on Joumana with you. I told you that makes no sense because Jason wasn't even with Joumana when he played in Dallas. You may have been his girlfriend, but he wasn't cheating on his wife, since he didn't even have a wife until he was in Phoenix. Do you get what I'm saying? I never said that you were a cheater. I was just wondering how you could claim Jason to be a cheater when he didn't even get engaged until after he left Dallas. (Actually, he got traded the day after he got engaged.)

Here is something else you said...

"If you are a black woman who has ever dated an athlete when they were no one and then they cheated on you and ended up marrying a non-black woman, you would feel me."

You say you met Jason before he was drafted, but he was already a star in college! You knew that he was going to be famous and filthy rich. Don't say that he was a 'no one'. And now your saying he cheated on YOU? I thought you said that Jason cheated on JOUMANA, with YOU. You were with him after the incident in 2001? How soon after? Why do I doubt that Jason, who was trying desparately to repair his marriage at the time, would be galavanting around with an old girlfriend from Dallas? That wouldn't happen.

Are you just upset that he picked Joumana over you? It seems like you are trying to make her seem horrible just to make yourself look more worthy of Jason Kidd's attention. And black or non-black should not matter. Joumana is not a bad person because she isn't black. Jason doesn't have to stick to just black people. That is racist.

Again, Jason can easily get out of his marriage. He could have gotten out of it weeks after he started it. But he didn't. Stop being jealous because he chose Joumana over you. She is his true love. He was just waiting for her to say yes to dating. It took four years, but it was worth it for him. Again, the color of her skin doesn't matter. He didn't leave you, a black woman, for an arabic woman, to insult the color of your skin. That had nothing to do with it. You should stop using your skin color as an excuse for why he ditched you.

And again, get over it. He doesn't call you from the road to complain about his life. No one believes that. He hasn't divorced in 7 years, so no, he wouldn't rather be with you. Get over it. Next time I see him, I will ask him about this, okay? I'll see how he reacts to it.

And people on this board know more than you think. So don't try to pull a fast one.

Posted by The real anonymous on September 23, 2003 12:49 AM

I'm sure Jason had a lot of girlfriends in Dallas (that are all bitter now), but he was just waiting for Joumana to go out with him. She was the only one he ever really cared about. Sorry ladies.

Posted by Richard on September 23, 2003 12:54 AM

It obvious that you are a complete idiot...and some kind of kidd fanatic..that wishes she had some involvement with Jason other then someone looking thru a looking glass. Like I said, you need to learn how to comprehend what u read. Oh and you go right ahead and ask Jason about it, Im sure that poster on your wall will answer you back.. Reference my first comment
and you will see that I didnt follow basketball, especially not college basketball, so when I met Jason I didnt know that he was gonna be some big star..So get a life.. and stop living thru his..and when u talk to your poster of Jason...ask him to send me my tangerine thong..Stupid

Posted by vg on September 23, 2003 2:13 AM

And one more thing..since it seems so hard for you to read....let me break it down for you....
Met him while he was still at CAL..started dating him...He became a MAVERICK..still dating him....Joumana started coming around...We broke up...Jason and Joumana get married...Jason starts to realize that it was dumb to get married..Jason starts calling me again to talk about everything...Jason pops Joumana..Jason has some road trips..On two of the road trips..Jason and I hook BACK up (while he is married)
So was that a little easier for your simple mind to understand...

Posted by vg on September 23, 2003 2:23 AM

You all need to get over it. I have to check my references, but I am positive Jason was married to Jason while he was a Maverick. And you all need to quit sweatin' Joumana, she was a HO in the town! Say I'm jealous, but if you read my earlier post, she got around for real. There are some beautiful women in Cali, and Joumana had her share of men. B4 she married Jason, she was with 1 of his boys the week b4. She probably has grown since then, but she had her day. Contrary of what you Jouman fans think, she was OUT THERE! VG, I can't judge you, but I cant say what your saying is a lie. All I say is messing with a married man is not cool, however you want to sugar coat it. I won't hate the game, when you have it, and messing with a married man is not game. Now if your checking a married man for his paper and not sleeping with him, thats game (if thats what you want to do), however you said you fell in love with him. You shouldn't have slept with another woman's husband. But, heh, do your thang! I don't want to offend anyone, I just call them as I see it. You didn't need to mention a thong though, leave it classy.
VG you are making yourself look pretty bad. If you made the mistake of messing with that woman's husband, leave it as a mistake. Making it sound like anything else is ludricous. There is no way to justify it, its just simply a f@#k up! It's easy to mess with a married man. I have had married men (not just ball players) come at me all the time, and actually it offends me. What makes you think I am the type of woman who would be cool with that. You obviously just want to f@#k! I shoot them off right away.
A DOG WILL ONLY GO WHERE HE IS FED! If you give him food he will keep eating. That phrase comes from a black woman. Take heed sista! A dog will get rid of a bone in a minute, let another dog want that bone, and the dog who originally had the bone will fight for that ole raggidy bone, chew it's ole dry ass until the other dog goes away, then he doesnt want it anymore, once again! That's how dogs work. Let Joumana try to leave Jason's ass and another man try to have her, Jason will be acting a fool behind that shit! Sorry I try not to curse, but some people act like they ain't (yes I said ain't, I have to get ghetto every now and again) got no sense.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 4:57 AM

OOPS, I mean Jason was married to Joumana. Sorry for the mistake.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 4:59 AM

only one thing to you mb...when I fell in love with Jason it was prior to him being was when he and I were dating...What happened later was purely the art of getting my little share of revenge for Joumana steppin up on me when Jason and I were together
and its as simple as that

Posted by vg on September 23, 2003 8:04 AM

OK, heh do your thang.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 1:30 PM

Vg, I'm not saying what you did was right (i'm sure you could care less), but I can see where Joumana could take you there. She can be a biatch! I have experienced it first hand. I don't know how she is now, or in Jersey around her neighbors and people she is trying to impress, but she was a biatch. Unless you checked her A-- (which my cousin had to do 1 night, and my cousin never gets in2 it with people), she will be a u know what.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 3:04 PM


READ THOSE BIOS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE IS TRUE. Jason started liking Joumana back in 1991 when he was a senior in High School. She paid him no mind and ignored his childish ass until 1996 when they started dating. They got married while he was in Dallas before being traded to Phoenix because her mother wouldn't let her move to Phoenix with him. Feb 1997. They had a big wedding later that year in August 1997. I have pictures to prove it.....

Now as for the love they both have for each other, take if from me... There is no f&%king way you go through child birth 2 times (one being twins) if you don't love the fool. So there's no doubt that she loves him.

Ms. VG, if what you are saying is true which sounds to be true, you said it yourself. The longer one is married the more you get (prenup) so why wouldn't Jason leave Joumana's ass after he popped her and she called the cops on him and spoiled his reputation, hess got his ass traded to NJ? If that's not love then OJ is innocent! Come on sweetheart explain all this. I asked Jason if the initals VG mean anything and he read this message board. All he and JoJo can do was laugh!

As for *~~* who you are we don't know, but if you work for the Kidds start packing............ Hahahahahaha

Posted by DM on September 23, 2003 4:45 PM

what do you mean by that?

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 4:58 PM

and i never said i worked for them.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:03 PM

I am 100% positive that Jason married Joumana in Phoenix. Paul Silas, who was an assistant coach of the Phoenix Suns at the time, was the witness for the wedding. They had a game against Cleveland that night. Joumana spoke of this game in a NJ paper and of how she hoped Phoenix wouldn't lose to such a poor team on their wedding day. You can look it up, but they got married on February 21, 1997, the same night Phoenix played the Cavs. They got ENGAGED when he was a Maverick, but Jason got traded to Phoenix a day or so after he got engaged.

And vg, I don't talk to a poster of Jason on my wall. He currently lives on the other end of my freakin street.

And okay, you may not have known that Jason was a basketball star before you dated him, but by the time you "fell in love with him", didn't you know that he was a basketball player?!? You had to of known, unless you live in a bubble. He obviously didn't hide this from you. He was a star.

And where are you from? Are you telling me that you followed Jason from Cal to Dallas to be with him? I don't get it. If your from Cal, how did you manage to continue dating Jason in Dallas? And again, it was Jason's choice to leave you for Joumana (if this is even true). He was begging her for four years to be with him. It's not like she stole him away from you. He had wanted her all along. Get over it. I am sure you can find another man. If Jason thought it was a mistake, he would have ended the marriage. And punching Joumana would have been an easy way out of his marriage, but instead, he did everything he could to work it out and stay with her.

I sense that you are angry that people actually know about Jason's personal life to some degree, because it makes it harder for your made-up stories to sound believable.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:12 PM

i said there are other ways of finding all of this out.
and that is a cruel thing to say to someone.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:14 PM

DM, you are right except Jason and Joumana got married in Phoenix. They got married on February 21, 1997. See my above post. He had been traded to Phoenix on December 26, 1996. They got engaged on December 24, 1996. Maybe you are confusing his engagement with his wedding? I guess after they got engaged and Jason got traded, Joumana's mother didn't want her moving to Phoenix, so they finally decided to just elope in February of 1997 so that they could live together.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:18 PM

DM, are you Donny Marshall or are you just pretending to be? lol If you are him, PLEASE, please send Jason this website and make him read this stuff that people say/make up about him.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:21 PM

*~~*, I think DM is trying to say that you seem to hate the Kidds, or at least Joumana, so why would Jason enjoy having you work for him? I don't know, that's how I interpret it.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:25 PM

Has nothing to do with self esteem. Why would you make that assumption? I stand by what I say or have witnessed. I'm sure Jason and Joumana haven't personally sat down and read this board, they are far too busy. Just because you have an e mail doesn't mean you are that close to the Kidds. Also if you got the info 1st hand from jason or joumana, then why do you contradict yourself and say it's what you read?
You say Joumana wouldn't get with Jason while he was in college because he was immature, well from him smacking her over french fries (and Joumana admitted herself in the police report and 911 call that it happens all the time), sounds like when she DID get with him he was still immature. Hmmmmm, could it be because now he is PAID? Otherwise she would not give him the time of day as she did before. Also the wedding ceremony took place after they were married. They were married in Las Vegas before the actual wedding that you are referring to. Also, even though Joumana hadn't actually moved to Phoenix, she was having sex with him (and many others) b4 she was married. If your going to try to act all innocent and try to make it seem like, oh I just couldn't move out there unless I get married, pre marital sex is ok, just cant move because my mom said. She was a grown ass woman. If she was trying to respect her mothers wishes like that, she wouldn't have been getting her groove on period. Smooth move though. That was a Robin Givens and her momma scheme. You know he's whupped, put the cherry on top of the Sunday by making him marry you with some crap about your momma wont let you go unless your married. I believe she has grown to love him, however, her intentions were money related. I don't care if you agree or not.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 5:26 PM

*~~*, I think DM is trying to say that you seem to hate the Kidds, or at least Joumana, so why would Jason enjoy having you work for him? I don't know, that's how I interpret it.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:27 PM

She just didn't want to hurt her mom's feelings maybe? Like she didn't want it to look like she would rather live with a guy she was dating instead of her own mother. It had nothing to do with sex. It had to do with her mother being all by herself and Joumana leaving her for her boyfriend.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:35 PM

i don't work for them! i never did! for the third time: there are other ways to find all this out

i'm sorry to admit this, but i have no relation with them. i never did. i WAS a jason kidd fan.. and i wish i could have lived with them or know jason personally, but that will always remain a wish.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:39 PM

Ok, let's all leave *~~* alone. She doesn't want people to know who she is. It is okay. She obviously has some connection with the Kidds (even if it's distant), but she shouldn't have to tell us exactly what that connection is. So let's leave her alone because she has good info. lol

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:42 PM

mb, not so fast. DM could be Donny Marshall, one of Jason's best friends, so don't be calling him a liar right away.

By the way, DM, if that really is you, I hope you have fun playing where ever you playing this year. It's Italy, right? Just so you know, your summer league performance was great. You so deserved some minutes in the Nets rotation.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 5:46 PM

thank you real anonymous. at least SOMEONE is on my side.

i do have some info.. and i don't blame people for thinking i have some kind of connection. but i swear i only post what i've heard and read.

did i ever say i was a 'she'?

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:50 PM

i'm actually a guy. sorry if the " *~~* " fooled you. i just picked some stuff so i could stay as anonymous as i could.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:56 PM

Oh, sorry, *~~*. I just assumed you were a nanny in the Kidd house, so then I figured you were a girl. My apologies.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:06 PM

haha.. its ok. i was probably a little misleading. so its really my fault.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 6:09 PM

I didn't call DM a liar. However, I doubt Donny Marshall would be posting on this board. Again I didn't say he is a liar. I personally don't believe some of the things he has said.

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 6:14 PM

Oh okay. How does one get an email address without being involved in the NBA?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:18 PM

He could have just found that e-mail address and linked it, saying it was his own. Anyone can do it.

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:21 PM

it could actually be a fake address

Posted by aNONymous on September 23, 2003 6:33 PM

do u think a real bball player would post his e-mail address on a message board that can be viewed by anyone?

Posted by aNONymous on September 23, 2003 6:36 PM

Well, whoever would pretend to be Donny Marshall is a little dumb. It's just said he said one little thing that triggered me to believe that that was him. And that doesn't have to be his main email address. It's not like he gave us his AOL screenname. And most people don't know who Donny is or could care less that he gave out one of his email addresses. These basketball players aren't Gods you know.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 6:47 PM

do u think jason really saw this website?

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:01 PM

Well Jason has internet access, obviously. And he is very concerned with what the public thinks about him. He's always reading what people have to say about him in the newpapers that are available online, like the NY Post and the NY Times. But would I be surprised if he did read this little message board? Yes. But is it impossible? No. If that person was really Donny, then sure, he could have given Jason this website. But I think it would be less likely that Jason would just stumble onto this website. I don't see that happening.

And don't worry *~~*, Jason won't find out who you are by reading you comments about Joumana on here. You don't have to pretend you never said them just so that he doesn't hate you, because I doubt he can figure out who you are by reading this.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:09 PM

thanks. i jus feel kinda bad, because everyone thinks i work there, or have some relation with jason. and i'm scared someone is going to get in trouble.

Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 7:14 PM

You're just being honest. It's okay.

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:22 PM

Well it could be a david marshall or someone else that name begins with a d that works for the NBA. It doesn't mean its donny marshall. I think you are trying to make this all up and make the Kidd fans think what is said is true. I don't think Donny Marshall would be posting on this board. Sorry

Posted by mb on September 23, 2003 7:40 PM

i agree

Posted by Anonymous on September 23, 2003 7:44 PM

No, I did not make up a fake NBA email address. Come on, people. Okay, I don't really think Donny would post here either, but you never know. D Marshall and NBA... talking about Jason, referring to Joumana as 'JoJo'. I just assumed it was him. Sorry. We all found this board somehow, I don't see how NBA players couldn't. Heck, Donny Marshall isn't even playing in the NBA this year, he isn't that famous or God-like that he is too cool to post on a message board.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 23, 2003 8:41 PM

Believe me if donyell marshall isn't playing for the NBA anymore, the last thing he is going to worry about is posting on a board, that brotha is trying to get a job. And jojo could be made up, I have never heard her called jojo, unless they call her that now. This person could work for the NBA and knows thats her nickname, thats not hard to find out.

Posted by mb on September 24, 2003 12:35 AM

"Also the wedding ceremony took place after they were married. They were married in Las Vegas before the actual wedding that you are referring to."

MB, February 21, 1997 is the day that Jason had listed on his website as his wedding date. I remember reading articles about how they went down to the courthouse and Paul Silas was their best man. I even remember Joumana mentioning it during the all-star weekend in one of her little reporting gigs when she was talking to Paul.

So you're saying that in addition to the February 97 date, they eloped in Vegas before then? That doesn't make any sense. The civil ceremony in Phoenix wouldn't have even be necessary if that was the case.

The article that I have that briefly mentions Jason Jr also refers to Joumana as his fiancee and the date of that is February 16, 1997.

Posted by Nobody on September 24, 2003 11:06 AM

Okay people don't go all wacked out on this whole thing. I never claimed to be Donny and I'm not saying I'm not either. You go figure out who I am. Hell you are all welcomed to email me and see who I am. Real Anyon... Italy was in back during the CT Pride days which was in 97 not this year. And you are all right Donny isn't playing in the NBA this year. At least not for now cause there hasn't been any offers. But who knows, for now Kelly and Donny aren't going to hold their breath. JoJo is a nickname although she hates it cause she grunts when you call her that. But being that you say hey J and they both turn we had to call her something else. All you people who think NBA stars are too big to read small links like this one are wrong.. You'd be surprised to learn what they all do when we are just relaxing....

Posted by DM on September 24, 2003 12:26 PM

Hey *~~* why all of the sudden you so scared? Was it something I say? Some fans get a little too crazed for their own good. Keep your distance man...

Posted by DM on September 24, 2003 12:28 PM

Oh yeh by the way VG where are you? Post something else honey we want to laugh.

Posted by dm on September 24, 2003 12:31 PM

All I know is I was at a house of an acquaintance of some NBA players (won't say names). Jason called one of them on his cell phone and said that he did it, he married Joumana and they were supposedly in Las Vegas. After they finished their conversation and hung up is when a couple of the players were saying, well now thats she's his wife we gotta respect her. But they were clownin' because she had just been with another guy in the circle of friends a couple weeks prior to them eloping.
I'm just going by what I saw and heard myself.

Posted by mb on September 24, 2003 1:29 PM

Oh ok, DM. I remember reading in the Star Ledger that there was a contract signed for Italy (Avellino or something?) this year instead of the NBA, but I guess not. Wasn't the CT Pride days around 2000, not 1997?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:19 PM

mb, in an interview with American Athlete from 1997, Jason said that the guys on the Suns call Joumana a bunch of nicknames, and one of them that he mentioned was 'JoJo'. However, I figured only weirdos like me even knew about that little interview and remembered the exact nicknames that Jason rambled off over 5 years ago. So when somebody mentions the nickname JoJo, I figure that they are close with the Kidds. That is all.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:24 PM

So DM, do you find Joumana to be a bad person like *~~* does? Does she really need major psychiatric help? Do you think she is evil and only cares about money and fame?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:26 PM

DM, I so don't get how you can be the friggin star of the summer league and then get no offers. That really isn't fair.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 2:29 PM

Real Anonymous...

A lot of things happen and we don't know the reason for em! CT Pride was on and off from the 1995 CBA draft to 2000. In 2000 it was Greece but that didn't go too well. After that it was the Nets and pretty good days but unfortunately not a lot of playing time. Hey everyone has to do what he or she has to do to get on with life.


As for Joumana, no one is perfect. Not even my wife so I'm not going to throw stones when I live in a glass house. Maybe she did go out with alot of guys before she and J hooked up but that doesn't make her a bad person. Who the hell nowadays is a virgin in their 20's. Don't go around calling her a ho cause she was popular. She's a beautiful woman and a fun person to be with.

As far as I thinking she's a good person, she is. She's not the evil woman who's a bad mother and has a horrible temper and has J whooped. That's not it at all. Believe me J has alot more respect for himself and if she was like that, he would of walked out taking the kids. His kids are everything for him. He loves them and if you spend one weekend with him and his family, you would see how great they are to each other. No they aren't perfect and hell ya the fight but who the hell doesn't. One thing is for sure; he never fights in front of the kids. Never! Nor do they fight in front of the hired help, which by the way are only 4 or 5 people. Not this outrageous number 12 or something like that. You have to understand, she's got a career that is just starting and J has all his training and personal appearances to worry about so he ain't got time to do all the things he would love to do himself. That doesnít make him a bad person or her for that matter. Hell you know how many busy working mother and fathers totally and completely ignore their kids. Why you think there is such a high number in illiteracy in this county. Cause no one reads to their kids at night no more. J does, and if you don't believe that ask the night nurses....

it's clear that you don't like J or Joumana MB and you may have your reasons but that doesn't give you the right to bad mouth anyone. I've read all the posts going back to March and some of y'all are way to demanding and expect way to much out of the Kidd family. They are like everyone in here, normal, and they deserve to live a quiet and peaceful life without having to worry about people trashing them.

Posted by DM on September 24, 2003 3:00 PM


Posted by aNONymous on September 24, 2003 4:07 PM

Oh and MB don't mistaken the name.... Donyell is in Chicago not NJ it's Donny..... just plain Donny

Posted by Kelly on September 24, 2003 4:07 PM

why is it bullshit

Posted by Anonymous on September 24, 2003 5:50 PM

its just someone pretanding to be somebody else

Posted by aNONymous on September 24, 2003 6:08 PM

So you think this person is pretending to be Donny Marshall? Who would do that? I dunno, I kind of believe it is him. He even put his wife's name in there (I'm assuming he was referring to his wife), and I don't think there are many people in this world that know his wife's name (unless they are close to him). He gave like extensive background about his CBA days. He knows about the nickname 'JoJo'. Stuff like that. It seemed like he tried very hard to cover up that it was him and then he says this...

"You'd be surprised to learn what they all do when we are just relaxing" (Notice he went from talking about 'they' to 'we')

If this isn't Donny, then it at least must be someone close to Jason's circle. Maybe I am a little gullible, but basketball players are normal people when it comes down to it and they surf the internet, too. And in Donny's case, I'm guessing he has a little free time. Why can't he post here?

Posted by the real anonymous on September 24, 2003 10:43 PM

Okay enough with the crap ..everything I said is real and for whoever..DM is..enough with the initials..ok..Im Vanessa gaines..from Sacramento, Ca..and everything I said is u and j and joumana can keep laughing it up..Whatever!!!.I just came to vent some steam..If i wanted to I could go ahead and let ""jojo" see some pics of me and her man.
So that she can see he was cheating on her...
And for the rest of you..Get a f'ing life...
and get out of theirs..
and Dm balls up baby if you have them..u sound a little feminine with your I doubt u are any basketball player unless u r in the wnba..

Posted by vg on September 25, 2003 2:04 AM

DM, where do I start? First of all I never called Joumana a ho, nor did I say anything about she should be perfect. I state my OPINION, as well as you do yours. I don't know anything about the help in their house, that wasn't me who was talking about that, so if your going to try to come at me, get your stuff straight. You obviously know a different side of the Kidds and thats good. The side I know of each individually is far different. I do have negative opinions, I have positive, and open minded ones as well. I have also said people can change. Yes I do have a negative opinion of Joumana, and that is from what I have seen or heard myself. I have that right. And who are you to tell me I don't have to bad mouth anyone? I can do what I want. It's so funny how you all stick up for peoples faults. If I was to say someone was a ho you couldn't stand, and she did get around, you would be like "yeah she is", but since a lot of you hear LOOOVE the Kidds, you try to control and attack any negative opinions. You know what though? I'm going to keep on saying what the hell I want. You know why? Because I can. You know what else? I don't give a damn what opinions you all have of my comments.
You also said they have a right to live a quiet and peaceful life without being trashed. C'mon, what planet have you been on? They are famous. All famous people automatically are going to be up for trashing and ridicule from the public based on them and their actions. If you don't give people things to feed on, and you don't hear negative things, people eventually leave them alone and they can live quiet and peaceful lives. Jason and Joumana have put themselves out there. Their actions toward SOME people have obviously caused negative vibes. So DM, WHATEVER!
VG, you got your clown hat on girl.

Posted by mb on September 25, 2003 3:14 AM

Also who cares if it is Donny Marshall, let him bring on the comments. Yes basketball players are normal, but I bet you Michael Jordan or Shaq won't be posting or reading this board. Why? Because they have a job in the NBA and endorsments that keeps them too busy. hahahahahaha.

Posted by mb on September 25, 2003 3:19 AM

Also DM, you say don't call her a ho (which I never did) because she's beautiful and popular. Well most girls that sleep around are popular. Not in a good way though. But what makes it worse is she had slept with 1 of Jason's boys. Hey, how many people you sleep with is your business. When you start sleeping with boys, brothers, cousins, or even guys on the same team, thats not cool. That will get you a rep real quick, and she had 1. Not jealous or clowning, thats just a fact.

Posted by mb on September 25, 2003 3:23 AM

VG, do you happen to know Mateen Cleaves?

Posted by Anonymous on September 25, 2003 2:47 PM

how come no one is posting?

Posted by aNONymous on September 26, 2003 11:08 PM

VG, do you know him?

Posted by Anonymous on September 27, 2003 1:09 AM

vg, how old are you?

Posted by Anonymous on September 27, 2003 3:36 AM

Happy Birthday Joumana!

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 1:35 AM

vg, where are you?!?! where is anybody?!?!

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 1:51 PM

DM, did they have any type of party for Joumana? Did you go?

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:48 PM

ya know.. it was the twins' birthday on friday.

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:48 PM

they are having a party for joumana tonight, and then jason and joumana are going to mexico WITHOUT the kids.

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:52 PM

the kids aren't going to joumana's party either.

Posted by Anonymous on September 28, 2003 2:53 PM

Did they have a cute party for the twins?

LOL, what's with them and Mexico? They just went. And Jason has to be at training camp next Friday, so I don't know when they are gonna squeeze in this vacation. And what's wrong with them wanting to be alone together? TJ belongs in school at this time anyway.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 28, 2003 10:08 PM

school has never gotten in their way before. why now?

Posted by Anonymous on September 29, 2003 5:34 PM

TJ's in kindergarten now. It's more important than preschool, which is optional.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 29, 2003 11:26 PM

So how was Joumana's party? Did anyone here go? *~~*? DM?

Posted by Anonymous on September 30, 2003 8:34 PM

Joumana looks like Vanessa Marcil. Damn, I'm watching her on Conan O'Brien and they look like the same exact person.

Posted by Anonymous on October 1, 2003 1:16 AM

mb, you have been right on the money about jason,It's like you have been reading my mind, I haven't been able to post for a couple of days because of computer
problems,but i'm back and ready to post, keep making me laugh girlfriend(i hope)

*~~*, I doubt if jason and Joumana have come across this website, even if you do work for them,with all of the nannies, and night nurses,and handy people working for them,I doubt if they will be able to identify you, so keep posting all this good info so that I can be up on my dirt!

People calm down we are getting our "pressure" all worked up !

vg, where ever you are come back and keep posting girlfriend! I have a lot of dirt to catch up on.

Posted by D.D. on October 1, 2003 3:12 AM

Hi everyone!
I am here just to let you know that I use to date Jason's ex-agent aaron...and well I met Vanessa (VG) when she was dating J and she is telling the truth. What j and Jojo did regarding the whole situation was real wrong. JoJo saw the opportunity and took advantage. J was weak because she was something that he had always wanted and hadn't had. Well he is living in his weakness now. Seriously, Vanessa was a real cool person and it is a shame what happened because they were really perfect together, but well both her and J were still young and didnt see what they could have had. So don't knock what she says, you could tell when you saw him and Vanessa together that they both had very strong feelings for eachother. I bet if J had the chance to go back , it would be Vanessa on his arm instead of JOJO. And the stuff she said about being with him again after he was married is more then likely true and also about him calling her to talk. If you knew the relationship that they had you would know that its believable that in a time of need he would go to her. They had a very good relationship and friendship and some times no matter what happened, that is hard to walk completely away from. I think it was all about timing and age of the both of them, but that is my own personal opinion.. Vanessa if you read this, I am still in touch with aaron, call him and get my number I would love to talk to you. I heard your baby is beautiful

Posted by sandra on October 1, 2003 4:28 AM

"Time of need" blah blah blah

If it's true, then at the end of the day, she was still sleeping with a MARRIED man, and he was still CHEATING on his wife.

It's just too bad that she was willing to be the warm snatch that he ran to when he decided that he wanted to disregard his vows.

Posted by Nobody on October 1, 2003 9:29 AM

Sandra, Do you know what happened between Jason and Aaron, why did they part ways, did it have something to do with Joumana, give details please!

Posted by D.D. on October 1, 2003 2:37 PM

Ummm, Sandra, isn't Aaron married also? I know Aaron because my best friends sister went to school with his wife. I met him and his wife in the mall together some time ago. They were high school sweethearts. Unless they got divorced (which I haven't heard they have), then they are still married.

Posted by mb on October 1, 2003 3:03 PM

ok, umm.. well at joumana's party, she turned it around and made it a party for jason's signing. kinda late.. but oh well.
the kidds are on vacation now. all of them. without the nurses/help.

Posted by *~~* on October 1, 2003 3:34 PM

So they went on vacation with the kids too? They went to Mexico? So who was at this party? Tons of people?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 1, 2003 5:27 PM

Aaron is a terrible agent. He did nothing right. He was out to benefit himself more than he was out to help Jason.

Sandra, you don't know Jason. You have no idea what is going on in his head. He married Joumana and he hasn't divorced her. If he liked someone better, he would leave her.

Seriously, Jason had TONS of girlfriends from high school until marriage. He couldn't have dated any one of these girls for more than a couple of months. He had to have been dating these girls at the same time, too. To say that this Vanessa person and Jason were perfect together and loved each other so much is just bull. And I still don't get how this Vanessa person dated Jason in Cali and in Dallas. She moved to Dallas to be with him? lol. It just doesn't make sense.
Is this the girl, by any chance, the girl that was reportedly engaged to Jason in Dallas and then they broke it off? He was definitely engaged to someone and they broke it off real fast. I don't know who it was.

I'm sure there are tons of jealous ex-girlfriends of Jason's out there now that think that "they were the one for Jason", but let's get real, he married Joumana (and she was the one that he was after forever), not you guys. You guys don't know Joumana. And to think you were better girlfriends of Jason's than she was is just so dumb. You don't even know her!! Get over it and find your own man!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 1, 2003 5:42 PM

hey real anonymous, obviously YOU don't really know her either. She's a bia from what I know first hand in the town. All the Jersey folks seem to think she is the sweetest thang, NOT!! Also Aaron is an excellent agent, yes he is out to get paid. He still doesn't get paid as much as his clients. If he was such a terrible agent, he wouldn't have the clientele he has, especially LEBRON JAMES! I have come to the conclusion, you don't know what your talking about 1/2 the time, and you need to get off the Kidd's jock a little. As we used to say old school, QUIT SWANGIN"!

Posted by mb on October 1, 2003 11:15 PM

Lebron James will learn. Aaron's a horrendous agent, at least he was for Jason. He handled a lot of Jason's situations very poorly. I didn't say I knew about what Joumana is really like. You don't really know either. You've never met her. You just go by what you hear from across the bay. I was just saying that Jason's ex-girlfriends shouldn't assume they know her. They shouldn't assume they were the better choices for Jason because Joumana is somewhat bitchy in public (if this is really true). Only Kidd knows what she is really like behind closed doors. She may not have been sweet around the Bay Area, but as long as she is sweet to Jason, that is all that matters, to him at least.

And mb, I would love to know what NBA players you have chilled with.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 2, 2003 12:33 AM

Is it possible that Jason is staying in this marriage
for the sake of his children?

*~~*, do you know if Joumana has a pretty good relationship with Jason's mother and sisters,I remember reading an article where she didn't have a very good relationship with his mother at one time.

real anonymous, why are you always so quick to defend Joumana, she maybe nice to you but she may be a b--ch to other people I've never met her before in my life
so I can't really judge her,but If half the people who have posted on this website keep saying the same thing, then maybe there is some truth to it.

Posted by D.D. on October 2, 2003 2:03 AM

And real anonymous I have met Joumana, if you would read my sister had to check her behind b4, and my sister is hella nice and doesn't get into it with anybody. She was even bothered that Joumana made her have to go there. I don't go by what I heard, I (again if you would read) go by what I have encountered with her 1st hand and also word of mouth. So get your stuff straight b4 you try to clown and act like we (as in the people who have had negative encounters with Joumana) don't know what we're talking about.
Also I have only kicked it with 2 basketball players and that has been from 1992 and another in 2000. I have a lot of friends that play, and to tell you the truth, I like it best that way. They are much better to get along with as just friends.

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 3:15 AM

Also real anonymous, I'm sure there are many more ball players that think Aaron is a great agent. Why do you think he has so many top clients. You don't have a clue when you make that statement. Did you see Jason's contracts or endoresments that Aaron negotiated for him? Oh, I didn't think so. Please, please you need to quit. Yeah, Aaron is such a TERRIBLE agent. Thats why Lebrons contract is so sweet, and thats why he signed a 90million dollar contract with Nike amongst others. Thats why Lebron chose him over the thousands that wanted, and would have worked for damn near free to get him. Yeah real anonymous, he's a horrible agent.
What do you do for a living by the way?

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 3:20 AM

oh and even though I answered your question about how many ball players I "chilled" with. The real answer is, enough to know what I'm talking about.

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 3:21 AM

I thought Aaron and Jason parted ways because Aaron refused to play along as Joumana's agent and look for jobs for her. I know that Jeff Schwartz represents both Jason and Joumana, and I thought Aaron refused to represent Joumana.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I thought I remember reading that somewhere.

Posted by Nobody on October 2, 2003 8:17 AM

Damn you people have it all @#$&^% up. MB you were on the right track when you said "Sandra" sounds fake. I aint got time right now to post but I"ll be back.

Posted by DM on October 2, 2003 12:22 PM

Umm, DM I didn't say Sandra sounded fake. I just was ?ing her messing with Aaron when the last I recall he was married.

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 12:49 PM

Nobody your probably right about why Aaron and Jason parted ways. I know Aaron is a great agent. He doesn't like the spotlight. He has represented Gary Payton, Damon Stoudemire, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Jamal Crawford, Derek Fisher, Todd MacCulloch, to name a few. He has also negotiated over 700 million on contracts for his clients. There are a lot of articles about Aaron. If you would like to read a good 1 here is the link. Again Nobody, (great alias by the way, Nobody) you have no clue when you make that statement. Just like you defend Joumana, I defend the peeps I like.

Posted by mb on October 2, 2003 1:07 PM

Aaron was a horrible agent for JASON, ok? He didn't handle some of the rough situations that Jason was in very well. There wasn't always honesty in certain matters. If you followed Jason in Dallas, you would know some of the things he said that weren't always the truth, especially things concerning Jason's relationship with management and players. Jason went through a lot of turmoil in Dallas. That is all. 1 agent isn't going to be good for everybody. He may work out well for LeBron. Who knows. Heck, Jason's current agent said some things over the summer that weren't really good to say.

I recall you saying previously more than once that you have never met Joumana personally, but have just seen her from a distance and heard things. Sorry if I am recalling that incorrectly.

I'm not defending Joumana. I'm just saying don't jump to conclusions because you saw/know what she was like 10 years ago. She was a friggin college kid for goodness sakes. And I was saying that Jason's ex girlfriends that are supposedly here shouldn't judge Joumana since they probably don't know her either. I'm not saying I know her either, cause I really don't. She lives on my block, but with a gated estate, you don't really get to converse.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 2, 2003 4:55 PM

In case anyone coming from one of these four places --

- Nets Hoops
- Nets News Message Board

-- wishes to know, "Keg91" or "KVas91", who apparently signed up on those sites just to post a link here, is doing what's often called "trolling" -- trying to get people worked up over something just for the sake of getting people worked up.

(Perhaps not coincidentally, someone using "Keg91" in an email address used to participate here, but chose to stop.)

Anyone is welcome here, though I do ask that you keep it civil. And, as they say, please don't feed the troll.

Posted by Matt on October 2, 2003 7:41 PM

Thanks Matt. It looks like Karina just can't stop her nonsense.

Posted by Richard on October 2, 2003 7:53 PM

"Again Nobody, (great alias by the way, Nobody) you have no clue when you make that statement. Just like you defend Joumana, I defend the peeps I like."

Huh? I don't defend Joumana. I get sick of seeing her mug when I'm trying to watch Nets games. I want to see the Nets: not the Kidd family's pathetic sideshow of the fake fairytale.

Posted by Nobody on October 3, 2003 8:33 AM

*~~*, you rock!!!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 3, 2003 12:23 PM

Hey Matt you ass wipe, I didn't join all those boards to post about this silly little site. In case you didn't notice shit for brains, I've been a member there since May and then they had computer problems and went down for the 4th of July weekend and I re-registered. I have no idea what you mean by trolling so if you are referring to the fact that I went on some of those websites and told people that you all in here are talking shit about the Kidds then yes I'm guilty. According to Matt I only joined this site to post about this site. Not true. If any of you have read my posts I talk about basketball in general and I never try to pretend to be someone else or talk trash about anyone. Okay except maybe call Shaq names but who doesn't. I have been posting in for the last 5 months because people in the other message board (not going to mention names) are all stupid. And all they did was talk about how bad this is and how bad that one is instead of concentrating on all the positive things about basketball. But oh well who care.

I hope someone from the Nets Organization stops this site because there is way too many lies being said in there.

And I happen to know that some of my friends from the Nets Org. have already been here.

Hopefully Matt won't erase this posting being that he claims we are all allowed to post whatever we want.

Posted by Karina on October 3, 2003 1:41 PM

Oh one last thing... I stopped posting in here because you people are all full of shit and the shit was getting too high for me to take.

Posted by Karina on October 3, 2003 1:42 PM

Karina, you are right -- I didn't notice your posting history on FTR -- and I apologize. And I promise not to delete your last two comments; if you let this be, I won't even prevent you from continuing to comment here.

But, please, just let this be. My intention wasn't to antagonize you, I just don't want people coming here just to get into unnecessary arguments.

Posted by Matt on October 3, 2003 3:47 PM

Karina, if you think there are lies, then could you speak up and say what they are? Because I never know what to believe. I think people are just posting things that they think are true, but may not be completely sure about. Don't get mad just because people may have heard something negative about Jason.

Posted by Anonymous on October 3, 2003 4:36 PM

I think that's fair Matt, I promise not to continue on my little journey to try and clear up what people say in here on other boards. But, my intentions were never bad in fact; the purpose for what I did was to give other people that I know, who also know the Kidds, an opportunity to get Jason to defend himself in here. A lot of the things said in here, myself included are not our right to spread. Whether or not he is a lying, cheating no good wife beater like some of you like to call him, doesn't give anyone one the right to slander him or get into saying that his marriage is a sham. Even if it is or isn't it's their right (the Kidds) to comment not ours. I agree with what Donnie said before, we should just let them be. And although he told me to just ignore you haters and keep on being his friend and fan, the truth is I canít. You don't like them fine. But don't go finding dirt on him or his family just to continue on the arguments. I have a son who is 12 and looks up to Jason, not the person but the athlete. There should be no reason why he finds a website that give out the entire dirt on his personal life! And if you think about it really good Matt, I would delete all the awful things that some have said. Imagine if you were a really busy athlete and your wife too was a high profile person who has a career. So you get a nanny for your kids. Does that mean you donít love them or donít want them? NO right! So imagine that one of your kids decides to surf the web and reads things like this about your family. At what point do we stop? I know that we have the right to freedom of speech but where do we draw the line? All I am saying is canít we talk about something more interesting than all the bad he has done. Doesnít he have a right to change and hasnít he proven that heís become a better person?

Posted by Karina on October 3, 2003 4:56 PM

Jason's in the public eye. Having your personal life known and discussed by everyone comes with the territory of being a NBA star. This is why Jason is getting $103 million dollars and we aren't. He earns this money when people go online and dig up dirt about his past. We can talk about what we want. I think it wasn't so much the hiring of nannies, it was just that it seemed like the nannies did EVERYTHING and that Jason and Joumana (or just Joumana) wanted to be left alone. There are people here that work in their house or at least know people who do, so that is where this information is coming from. That is all. We are allowed to speculate about what might be going on.

And you have a 12 year old son? I thought you said you were 31? So you had a kid at 19?

You used to say you didn't know Kidd, but now you consider yourself his friend? And you now consider yourself someone who is a friend of people in the Nets organization?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 3, 2003 6:29 PM

"We can talk about what we want."

I echo that statement. People can talk about whatever they want to talk about. Sometimes the things are good. Sometimes the things are bad. Sometimes the things are true. Sometimes the things are false.

People still have every right to say those things. There's no need for someone to run and go play "Thought Police" just because they don't like what's being said. I say get over it.

Posted by Nobody on October 3, 2003 7:27 PM

Nobody I am sooo sorry I meant to direct my comments toward the real anonymous. sorry for the misunderstanding.

Posted by mb on October 3, 2003 9:36 PM

Also real anonymous, I said I didn't KNOW her personally, not met. So you did recall incorrectly, not a problem though.
Oh Karina, you need to quit and get lost again. Just like you told Matt to keep your postings, which by the way were very over the top with the language you chose, he should keep ours. He should erase the 1 where you said he is an ass wipe, and had shit for brains. Wow, you sound civil. I don't believe he said your name, why are you so defensive? You need to stay on your other board, you have issues.

Posted by mb on October 3, 2003 9:41 PM

Thanks, mb; I'm content to let my own actions and Karina's comments speak for themselves, so it's really OK.

Karina, I don't know what to tell you. When you emailed me however many months ago, I told you to trust your instincts and not what some people you don't know write on some board on the Internet. The same goes for anyone else, too -- you have to use your own judgment with these things, and you can't take them at face value.

And at the same time, people here are just saying what they think, and they're going to do that no matter what -- if not here, then somewhere else. (I never intended -- or even imagined -- that a page on this site would become home to a discussion like this; it happened purely by accident, because I happened to mention Joumana's maiden name in some comment I made over a year-and-a-half ago, and Google started sending searches for it over here.) Whether or not it's right for people to publicly say some of the things they say is a fair question, but unless I have good reason to believe they really are harmful to someone, I'm not going to pass judgment on individual comments, or censor them (even if I disagree with them, and I sometimes do) -- it's just not my place.

Posted by Matt on October 4, 2003 12:57 AM

I've had the chance to visit these other websites,they call everyone who has posted here kidd-haters or anti-kidd, I don't hate anyone in the kidd family because like I said before I don't know them,but I am very big fan of jason's on the court,anyway nobody here has stated in anyway that they hate jason or joumana, they are just stating facts that they know, and I believe that 70% of it is true. they also made a comment that they wish Jason would find out about this website,Even if he did find this site and read everything that has been posted about him , what the hell is he going to do, not a d-mn thing!

Posted by D.D. on October 4, 2003 12:58 AM

Well, it has been a while since I last posted and alot has been said. i've been pretty busy but coming back and reading all of these postings is reakky interesting. you guys have really good information. I didn't come back to bust anyone's chops about anything, because i am known to be very defensive at times. Nice to be back and KEEP POSTING.

Posted by mimi on October 4, 2003 11:04 AM

Hmm, VG has disappeared. I wonder why. lol

Posted by Anonymous on October 5, 2003 12:53 AM

Hey Sandra girl whats up..its been a long time.. thanks for the comment..some of these people are like
wow!!! I've been great..and I will call aaron and get your number..Im going to be out that way next month on business..we should hook up..oh and thanks..he is 14 months now....Now for Anonymous..I was gone because I was on vacation..and I have a life..Like I said..this site was shown to me by a friend..I only came here to let you guys in on some true stuff..but glad I came because I haven's seen Sandra in a long time and its great that we will get to be back in touch..and Mb.Aaron is married (now)..when Sandra was dating him, he try not to offend her by saying anything else that you are only assuming about... You guys must remember that myself and sandra are involved in all of this from close to 10 years relax....Oh and Real Anonymous....Aaron is an excellent agent..and had Jason stayed with him, he probably wouldnt be going thru alot of the things he has..he probably wouldnt still be with Joumana. Joumana didnt like Aaron, and Aaron wouldn't kiss her ass..that is why Aaron is no longer J's agent. Aaron and Jason were good friends before he was Jason's agent..Now, a friendship and a business relationship have been lost..and why? over a excuse me but fame hungry..bit*h!!!.. So dont talk about people that you have no clue on..stay on the other side of your little gate..and watch as the Kidd's pretend happy life goes by..Im out and have said all there is to be said on my part..Knock yourselves out!!!

Posted by VG on October 6, 2003 4:57 AM

Well VG I met Aaron and his wife in the mall in 93 and they were just married because they were talking about it with my girlfriend. Like I said I'm not assuming anything, I was right there. Then when we left my friend was telling me how they had been together since high school because her older sister and his wife were friends since high school. I am not trying to offend anyone, I'm just going by what I know. If he is still married to the same woman, he didn't just get married, they have been married for at least 10 years.

Posted by mb on October 6, 2003 12:21 PM


You are absolutely correct. Everyone has a right to say what he or she thinks or feels. I have talked with some people and they have kind of opened my mind to what some of you had to say. I guess I was out of line for calling you names Matt and I do apologize for the improper language. Thank you MB for pointing that out to me. We all have a right to say what we feel and think and I should know better. I would like to apologize to anyone else in here I offended.

Now, real anonymous, I donít understand your question. Yes I was 19 when I had my son. I got married at 17. Yes I am 31 years old but what does that have to do with anything we are saying in here? Not sure if you were trying to imply something. Also, I never said I donít know him because on the contrary, I have met him on various occaccions. I wouldnít go as far as saying we are buddies or the closest friends ever! I said I know a lot of people who are good friends with him and yes I do know people who work for the Nets organization. Just like I know a lot of the people who work in the NBA building in Secaucus. So whatís your question? And like the other person in here I live 5 minuets from his house so I have ran into him here and there before.

MB, I donít have issues I just donít like negative people. But you are right I will stay quiet and not post anymore since I am getting no where in here.

For all you Jason Kidd fans: Donít let the negative things that people say in here get in the way of you being his fan. Jason is a really nice guy and if you ever get close enough where you can ask for a signature or a picture believe me he will do it.

Posted by Karina on October 6, 2003 2:01 PM

Vg, were you dating jason at the time that he was supposedly engaged to his other fiancee,if so would you shed some light on this women , tell us who she was, what she looked like.


were you the other fiancee?

I also heard that she was a Hispanic woman, that was
just a rumor I heard so I don't know how true it is!

Posted by D.D. on October 6, 2003 3:56 PM

"Aaron is an excellent agent..and had Jason stayed with him, he probably wouldnt be going thru alot of the things he has..he probably wouldnt still be with Joumana."

What is Jason going through?? Jeff has done a pretty good job handling Jason's contract situation I would say. Not perfect, but pretty good. You are being ridiculous. You think if Jason still had the same agent he would have divorced Joumana??! That makes no sense whatsoever. What does an agent have to do with a marriage?! Yeah, I'm sure Jason's agent Jeff really convinced Jason to stay with Joumana, because Aaron would have made them get divorced. ::roles eyes:: Every time you say something you sound more bitter and jealous of Joumana. Let's face it... Jason didn't like you enough to continue his relationship with you. He chose someone else who was better for him. Leave him alone.

Oh yeah, in case you didn't know, Joumana majored in communications. She wanted to get involved in broadcasting. How do you think those people get jobs? They have to put their name and face out there. They are SUPPOSED to be looking to get on TV. That is the nature of their work. Joumana is not a bitch for trying to get on TV.

People are allowed to switch agents. Jeff is a very good agent. He represents people like Pete Sampras. Maybe JASON wanted an agent that would represent both him and Joumana. Don't you think he would like to see his wife have a successful career? Jason is a grown man. He can make choices for himself. I doubt he would just let Joumana control his life, picking out agents for him. I'm sure it was a mutual decision, or maybe just Jason's decision. Why couldn't HE be the one who wanted an agent who would represent the both of them?

And if you truly dated Jason, did you date him in California or Dallas? You keep avoiding this question. I doubt you would move to Dallas to keep seeing him. Were you his fiance in Dallas or not? Are you telling me that if I walk down the street, ring Jason's doorbell, and say your name, that he will know who you are?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 6, 2003 4:55 PM

Karina, I wasn't really implying anything. Just trying to see if you were lying because sometimes I can't tell real from fake. Married at 17? People still do that nowadays? Were you still in high school? I just find that interesting, that's all.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 6, 2003 5:02 PM

"*~~*, you rock!!!"

what did i do?

Posted by *~~* on October 6, 2003 5:11 PM

I will agree with Karina on, what does her being 17 when she had her child have to do with anything? If she had a child @ 14 it wouldn't make a difference in the person she is today.
Also Karina, noone is trying to pose a negative light on Jason. I try to look at both sides as much as possible. I go by what I have heard or witnessed. Just like you all say how sweet and nice they are, that is what you witnessed, I haven't. Just because I say what I have experienced was negative doesn't mean I am trying to give all negative comments. I agree that people do change, I do also have the right to say what I feel. You all that post all positive things go by what you see or hear as well. Sorry if you don't agree, but thats how it is.
Also I said you have issues because you flashed on Matt when you should have just taken his comment and let it go. This stuff is all in writing so there is no reason to get that riled up.

Posted by mb on October 6, 2003 7:20 PM

*~~*, you are getting behind on your dirt, give us an update.

Posted by D.D. on October 6, 2003 7:44 PM

i don't know. i don't think i should

Posted by *~~* on October 6, 2003 8:22 PM

*~~*, haha, I don't know. You have the best info here. I look forward especially to your posts.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 6, 2003 11:38 PM

*~~*,are you not going to post anything else?

Posted by D.D. on October 7, 2003 1:21 AM

I understand where you are coming from MB it's cool. Like you said I did take it hard and I was upset at what Matt said when I replied and wasn't thinking with a clear head. Perhaps it's because I've only witnessed the Kidds being nice that I have a generally good look on their positive side. I have personally never seen the ugliness that perhaps you have witnessed. But like I said, I have apologized and I'll try not to write when I'm not thinking clearly.

And to clarify things people... I wasn't 17 when I had my son I was 19. I got married at the age of 17 yes. I fell in love with my brotherís best friend being that I wasn't allowed to date. My brothers were very protective of me and so I couldn't date anyone and since all I could do is hang out with my brotherís friends when they were over I fell in love with one of my older brother's best friend. I have known my husband for the past 18 years. I met him when I was 13 and after 2 years of seeing him all the time and spending time to get to know him I fell in love as he did. We waited till I was 16 and we started dating and by the time I turned 17 we both knew that we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together. Iíve been married 14 years come this December and I never once regret getting married so young. Yes I was in high School. I was a senior in HS and I finished and graduated with high honors. Went on to college to study International public relations majoring in communications. That covers most of my life and if it sounds fake or made up to me well, you have the right to your opinion. But this is the plain and simple truth. I would never mock anyone who wanted to get married at a young age because everyone is different and we all mature at a different stage in our lives.

Posted by Karina on October 7, 2003 10:53 AM

And in case anyone in hear is interested in knowing about the NETS. most of the players are upset because the front office of the NETS just bought out the remaining time on Deke's contract. Which means he won't be on the team anymore. Everyone in training camp right now are in an uproar.

Byron Scott isn't looking too good to the players right now because he did nothing to prevent this.
Not that he could be he could have atleast said that Deke had an awesome 2 days at camp last week which proves he was getting back into tip top shape.

Posted by Karina on October 7, 2003 10:57 AM

Oops my spelling stinks.. I meant to say anyone in here... not hear

Posted by karina on October 7, 2003 10:58 AM

Hi, Does anyone know if Carmelo Anthony has a girlfriend? And if so is she black,white or hispanic? I gotta know!!! And I'll even pay for the information

Posted by joyandhappiness on October 7, 2003 1:53 PM

I feel you Karina. I know I have said some things in here sometimes out of anger. I have a potty mouth sometimes, in here I try to avoid cursing though because some people find that very offensive, also I just don't let the comments take me there. Some people don't believe the things I say and they have that right. I just go by what I have seen or heard here in the town. I am not trying to prove myself to anyone, and sometimes I don't even feel it is necessary to justify my stories, either they believe it or they don't.
As far as your personal married life, I still don't understand why that was brought up by whoever ?'d when you had your child or what not. I have went to high school who had two children before she finished her junior year and she is doing fine now. She didn't even get married to her first childs father but that is her. That has nothing to do with your personal opinion. I'm sure the person who ?'d it isn't perfect or has done things others would thing is ?able.
I just feel we should be able to post our comments, and whoever wants to to comment on it, believe it, or not believe it has that right. It should be that simple. These are other peoples lives we are talking about and the only people that should really be getting riled up over it should be the people in ?, but that is just my opinion.

Posted by mb on October 8, 2003 2:26 AM

Oops, typing too fast, I meant to say I have went to high school with a girl who had 2 children. sorry

Posted by mb on October 8, 2003 2:28 AM

lol, sorry about the whole getting married at 17 thing. That's very usual nowadays (Are you even allowed to get legally married as a minor anymore?) So I just found that interesting. You didn't have to explain it to me, Karina. I wasn't trying to say that it was a bad thing or anything like that. I was just trying to make sure that Karina wasn't making up any stories, since she has lied in the past.

Yay, the Nets won yesterday and Jason didn't even play.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 8, 2003 12:20 PM

Real Anonoymous you do need your parents concent to get married at 17. Yeh the NETS won...

Byron Scott had said that he was going to try to not use Kidd until it was absolutly necessary. That is the reason they did so many changing around before the season starts. Did anyone here about Kobe..

My friends out in the west coast told me that there is talk he's getting a divorce from Vanessa. I feel a little sorry for his whole situation he's in. There is a great story in Newsweek about Kobe off the court. I read it and it's really sad to see that he showed signs of a troubled person and no one noticed. Also, I had no idea that his team mate on the team were such animals. Those Lakers are real jerks.

If anyone is interested in reading the whole this it's on this site:

Being that his case goes to trial tomorrow it's just what is on my mind.. Thought I would share the info..

Posted by Karina on October 8, 2003 4:15 PM

I heard a lot of the things in the Newsweek article were untrue. I did read the article and it was interesting. If any of you have a chance to read it it is pretty good. I heard that he wasn't going to get a divorce from Vanessa. Then again that is just what I heard from what Kobe said (but he has already proved he is a liar). I also heard it from another source but I don't know how reliable that source is.

Posted by mb on October 9, 2003 3:42 AM

Word out of the Lakers Camp is that they are definitely getting at divorce. That Kobe wanted one 2 or 3 months before the suppose incident happened and Vanessa had a nerves break down when she heard. She also threatened to take everything from him if he divorced her but then the whole rape thing happened and that put a halt to the big divorce. Then later on, Kobeís lawyers advised him that it wouldnít be good for his image to divorce and that he should mend everything with Vanessa. Hence, this is the reason for the bling bling diamond ring.

Now, the latest word out is that since there is a possibility that Kobe wonít be playing this year Phil Jackson is trying to talk Mike Jordan out of retirement and have him play for the Lakers. Phil has confirmed that this is true but the words out from MJís reps are that MJ has said ďNO WAY!Ē So I guess the drama goes on.

I tell you the NBA has more drama then any Soap Opera out there these days!

Posted by Karina on October 9, 2003 11:30 AM

Kobe shouldn't have married that young girl in the first place. He should have waited. Then his stupid behind wanted to do it his way so bad, when she wouldn't sign a prenuptial he went ahead and married her anyway. Thats why his agent severred ties with him. His ass is hard-headed and I hope he learns his lesson. He could have just kept Vanessa as his girlfriend instead of marrying her so quick, but nooooo, he always has to have what he wants.
I can believe thats why she had a nervous breakdown because when she went to the hospital that time they never said what was wrong with her. It was like January or December, I think she was still pregnant. Kobe is trying to deny it but then again he's already been caught lying so I wouldn't put it past him.

Posted by mb on October 9, 2003 12:49 PM

If they were thinking of divorcing in March, I doubt they are thinking about it now. I'm sure they are trying to keep the family together during this difficult time. And Kobe just tatooed Vanessa's name on his arm. You don't do that if you want a divorce.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 9, 2003 2:10 PM

The "Laker camp" didn't even know he was in Colorado getting surgery in the first place. They didn't even know where he was when he missed the first day of training camp.

So now the "Laker camp" suddenly knows that they are definitely getting a divorce? I don't buy it.

The National Enquirer started the whole divorce story to begin with. Now whether it's true or not is debatable, but I doubt the "Laker Camp" can "definitely" say too much about things pertaining to Kobe: especially not things regarding his personal life.

Posted by Nobody on October 10, 2003 12:35 AM

Well I heard it was from players that know Kobe that said that. Also they said today on the news I was listening to that in court they were talking about him wanting a divorce also. I can't tell with Kobe though. He got that tatoo to go along with his making up tactic. I don't think he is going to get a divorce anytime soon now due to the chain of events.

Posted by mb on October 10, 2003 2:45 AM

I think it all stems from the National Enquirer article to be honest. If you believe that these were players that said that, then there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just not sure I buy that at all.

I find it really funny that these people who know damn near nothing about Kobe or what he does off the court can definitively say that he's "definitely" getting a divorce.

Mind you, I'm not questioning whether the prospect of a divorce was real or not. I'm questioning how the "Laker camp" can "definitely" say anything.

But hey, that's the beauty of everyone having their own opinions. We all believe what we want to.

Posted by Nobody on October 10, 2003 8:19 AM

Her baby was already born by then. She was rushed to the hospital because 911 were called. And the recordings on the tape said a young woman had passed out and was unconscience and needed medical assistance. Vanessa was the only woman in the house so thatís how Newsweek knew it was her. That is the date Kobe supposedly asked for the divorce. I agree with you MB that he shouldnít have married her so soon. Iím not saying that it was because she and he were young but rather because of whom he was. And more than anything, I think Kobe married her because he needed a friend. The Lakers teammates were pretty cruel and unusually mean to him. Like I said, I donít consent what he did or am I trying to defend him but only god knows what was going through his head. He obviously needs medical advisement and more family support. I also blame his family for walking out on him because he married Vanessa. Perhaps they didnít agree and thatís all fine but you just donít turn your back on your kids and expect them to be okay. I think the only ones to be blamed here are Kobeís parents.

Posted by Karina on October 10, 2003 9:53 AM

oops forgot to add this to my previous posting...

That makes sense real anonymous but who really knows what is going on in his house now. The actual breakdown that Vanessa suffered was in March.

Posted by karina on October 10, 2003 9:56 AM

The Newsweek article doesn't say that they were "definitely getting a divorce." It doesn't even say that he asked for one. It says she supposedly found out that he had been in contact with a divorce lawyer and was thinking about it. Joumana said she thought about a divorce after Jason hit her. Did that "definitely" happen?

Besides, that wasn't the first time she had been rushed to the hospital. She was hospitalized in May of 2001, and I remember rumors on the internet that she was hospitalized in June of 2002 as well. So this incident in March of 2003 doesn't even raise my eyebrows. It goes along with the pattern that seems to exist.

But hey, everyone's entitled to believe what they want to believe. Personally, I don't believe that they were "definitely" getting a divorce. Considering? Maybe. Definitely? Nope. There's a difference between the two in my opinion.

I also have to add that the only person to blame for Kobe's situation is Kobe. To blame anyone else but him is a cop out in my opinion. You can't blame his family for not accepting his wife. You can't blame his teammates for not being nice to him. Everything is all on him. If he hadn't cheated on his WIFE in the first place, then he wouldn't even be in the predictament that he's in.

Kobe is still the one that stuck his ---- in the girl. He's the only one to blame for his situation in my opinion.

Posted by Nobody on October 10, 2003 11:01 AM

I agree. I never said I thought he was definitely getting a divorce, I read the same about how he was in contact with a divorce lawyer. I agree about the lakers camp, not just them but you really can't totally believe totally what anyone says.
Also I don't agree it was Kobe's parents fault. I personally woulnd't turn my back on my child, however, everybody has their way of teaching their child a lesson. Kobe is very stubborn. Sometimes children can be very stubborn (Karina, I'm sure you feel me), and we all have different tactics on teaching them a lesson. Kobe's parents felt it was out of their hands at that point, so the only way to teach him that he wasn't as ready as he thought he was was by letting him do his thing for a while. Kobe's father even said, he'll understand what I was trying to do in 10-15 years. I think if Kobe would have been more open to understanding what the people that were around him and cared about him were trying to do, he probably (not saying for sure) wouldn't be in the situation he is in. Kobe wanted to set out this perferct life for himself which is great, but sometimes we can't control the way things are bound to happen. Also people at the Laker camp tried to talk to and be there for Kobe, but he shut a lot of them down (supposedly). If you reach out to someone and they decline, you leave em' alone and wait until their ready to come around. If they need you, be there for them. Kobe's family and I'm sure his true friends are there for him right now. I hope he did'nt do this, I don't think he did, but the only 2 people that know are Kobe and his accuser.
Thats just my personal thoughts on this situation.

Posted by mb on October 10, 2003 12:07 PM

The lastest Jason Kidd rumor is that he requested to be traded if the Nets move to Long Island. That makes sense because Long Island is pretty much a dump, but team wise, I don't really think he's going to get any better than what he has right now. The Lakers, Spurs, Kings, and Mavs won't take him at this point in time, so what other teams are worth going to? None.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 10, 2003 12:30 PM

I agree, Nobody.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 10, 2003 12:34 PM

you can't put the blame on kobe family, because Kobe is grown man who felt like since he was grown he didn't have to listen to anybody,no matter how adult you are, sometimes it is still okay to take a little
advice from mom and dad!I don't think his parents didn't like Vanessa I think it was the fact that they were still very young and he married her after 6 mos. That was not love that heartburn

Know you see what happens to hard headed "grown people" they get slapped with sexual assault cases

I had heard about kobe and his teammates not getting along,he does not have any friends on the team, maybe if he wasnt so arrogant he might have one or two friend that is really sad.

Posted by Anonymous on October 10, 2003 3:58 PM

That last post was D.D. not Anonymous

Posted by D.D. on October 10, 2003 4:00 PM

I feel you MD on the subborn kids. Heck mine is a handful which is why I chose to have no more.

Now I agree that well maybe his parents were trying to teach him a lesson, they are also like DD said, the reason why Kobe was so arrogant. If they would of taught him to be a little more humble then he would indeed have more friends and not be so messed up. Now for what is coming out from the trail. It's painting a very ugly picture of Kobe. I personally never really liked him because I thought he was a arrogant son of a $%^$& but that was my opinion. Now I don't know if I feel sorry for him or if I just sympathize with his whole situation. What ever the case maybe, I feel there is not enough evidence to go ahead and pronounce him guilty.
That's what gets me so mad at times... Everyone is so quick to call him a rapist... Shouldn't we wait to hear the whole thing (story) first?
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

When did it turn to guilty until we prove your ass innocent?

That is a damn shame!

As for Jason wanting out because NJ Nets are moving to Long Island. Well that remains to be seen but can you blame him? Who the heck wants to drive out to the middle of no where to see a basketball game. Not to mention all the traffic and the horrible highway conditions. The damn LIE is forever under construction.. But I really do hope the Nets stay in NJ and that Jason does too.

Posted by Karina on October 10, 2003 11:06 PM

Karina, I doubt if Jason is going anywhere, just because he asked to be traded doesn't mean it will
happen, if this rumor is true, so calm down girlfriend ,I think he will be a "Net" til the day he retires, your love for him will keep him in New Jersey.

What would you do if he did get traded?

Posted by Anonymous on October 10, 2003 11:56 PM

That last post was again D.D. not anonymous

Posted by D.D on October 10, 2003 11:57 PM

Karina, I agree with you. I can't stand Kobe either. I still do believe in justice though. I do know it is a bad situation though because Denver was given authorization for unlimited funds to prosecute. I do hate the fact that they are trying to make an example of Kobe though. Again I hope for his sake he didn't do it. I don't care for the boy, but if he didn't do it he shouldn't be prosecuted and be left alone so he can live his life. They said in the Newsweek article that he only had a few friends on the Lakers, I know Derek Fisher was one of them. I do also believe what your were saying about his parents should have taught him to be more humble. I think his parents kept him to sheltered. I think that he probably already had that personality, and the pros didn't help subdue it.
EEEEEWWWWWW! Long Island. I'm not from the East Coast, but I do know Long Island it bunk. It's like me being and living in the Bay and having to move to Fresno or some shit. I hope you guys don't move. I liked Jeresy and Manhattan when I was there.

Posted by mb on October 11, 2003 12:10 AM

"If I have to move again, though, I might as well go to San Antonio," Kidd said.

Does Kidd even think about what he says? The Spurs would have to give up half of their team just to make a trade for Jason. And they really don't even need him because they have Parker, who is cheap, so it was easy to add additional players like Horry. If Jason was with the Spurs, they wouldn't have had enough money to sign a center and they wouldn't have gotten Horry and Turk and Carter and Mercer. They would have had, seriously, like 8 guys if Jason signed there. And Parker would have been pissed since he doesn't want to play shooting guard and he doesn't want to be Jason's backup. He would have asked for a trade. And they wouldn't have had enough money to resign Ginobili this coming year. I hope Jason really does read this board because he needs to realize that he wouldn't have an actual TEAM to play with if he dumped his monster contract on San Antonio. There would be about 9 or 10 guys. And they would seriously have 41 year old Kevin Willis starting at center and playing 48 minutes. Does Jason really think that the Spurs could have still signed Rasho, Horry, Mercer, Carter, and Hedo if he signed there for the max?? Haha. Someone, please get Jason to understand this. Tell him that the salary cap must be obeyed by the Spurs, too. And does he really, truly believe that those new players (who had below average performances last year on their old teams) really make the Spurs much stronger? Please. The Nets will make the Finals this year and the Spurs won't. You heard it here first.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 11, 2003 12:26 AM

Dallas has Nash. The Lakers have Payton. The Kings have Bibby. The Spurs have Parker. What other team is at the Net's level or above? I don't think any. If Jason ever demanded a trade, he would end up on some bad team. ANd does he know how big is contract is?!? A team would have to trade half their players just to get him!

Long Island has some nice parts. I don't think the Nets are going to end up there anyway.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 11, 2003 12:31 AM

On one side, I think Jason sounds a bit silly. On the other hand, I think he makes perfect sense.

He isn't supportive of the team moving out of Jersey. He could deal with Brooklyn because he wouldn't have to move. With Long Island, he'd have to either uproot his family and move or make a long drive almost every single day.

I can't see how he would be happy about either one of those possiblities when it comes to Long Island. He signed up for Jersey. He wants to stay in Jersey.

I think if it was a done deal that they were moving to LI before he became a free agent, he wouldn't have re-signed in Jersey. He would have seen that he was going to have to move anyway, so he would have gone ahead and moved to San Antonio.

That's what I think that statement meant therealanonymous. Not that if he's traded, that he wants to be traded to San Antonio, but that if he had to move, then he would have moved to San Antonio.

He'll have to move if the team gets relocated to Long Island. He would have preferred moving to San Antonio over moving there.

I don't blame him at all either.

Posted by Nobody on October 11, 2003 9:37 AM

Well, well,well, I see Karina is back posting. lets just everything goes right this time. So far so good let's keeping it going.

Posted by mimi on October 11, 2003 1:30 PM

You guys are all right. I think Kidd said that more to just stir up people than he did because he meant it. I don't think he wants a trade but he really doesn't want to be out in Long Island. You have to understand the situation out in Long Island to fully understand why he's so pissed off. First of all, Long Island does have really beautiful areas. It's a great place to go on vacation and all but not to live in. Unless, you have a house close to a commercial area and you work close by too. Otherwise, you will be stuck in traffic for about 1 to 2 hours each way a day to get into and out of LI. So it's not that great. The other thing, which is probably what has Kidd most upset about it the schools. NY school aren't ranked as high as NJ's. Not saying they don't have any good school, but rather the best are in the Rockland county which is north of NJ and North West of Long Island. Even further than Long Island to NYC is. So his kids would have to do some massive transporting in order to get the education they would be getting in their home town in New Jersey. You have to remember that NJ's public school are ranked in the top 3 of the nation. Not to mention the condition of the roads to get in and out of Long Island. They are all in horrible conditions and are always full of traffic because people need to slow down in order to dodge pot holes the size of a truck tire. In the long run, I don't think that the Nets will go out to Long Island but rather Brooklyn which is very close. Only bad thing about NJ is our governor. He's so anti-sports that he can give a fly rats ass about any of our NJ teams. Even when Christine T Whitman, who knew less about sport than a man (guess McGreeve isn't one) was in office she raised hell when the Devils were being shipped off to another state. Boy I miss having her as governor. McGreeve sucks! But that's just my opinion.

And to answer DD's question, I was a Net fan first then a Kidd fan so I will remain forever a Nets fan even if Kidd leaves I will still support my NJ Nets!
Not saying I wouldn't miss Kidd, I would extremely but life must go on and so I will remain forever in NJ and forever a Nets fan, Metrostar fan, NY Yankee fan, and a NJ Devils fan!

Posted by Karina on October 12, 2003 9:10 AM

Jason's kids go to private schools, not public schools. The schooling is not an issue. I think Jason is just ticked off about the fact that he may have to move again. I think they will stay in NJ, though.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 12:09 PM

How well do you think the Nets will do this year, now that the Lakers signed on new players and Mutumbo has left the Nets? I will always support the Nets but if they make it to the finals this year going up against the Lakers they might as well forget about it. What is the latest on Kobe and his case? Do you guys think the case will interfere with him being able to play? Well, it has been a pleasure to sit here and "chat" but sadly I do have to go. BYE mimi

Posted by mimi on October 12, 2003 12:55 PM

Kobe hasn't played a preseason game yet and Shaq sat out the last game, too. If Kobe does play this season, he's going to be incredibly distracted and therefore, probably won't be anywhere near as good as he could be. I don't think the Lakers are going to be as amazing as we think, given the Kobe situation and injury-prone Shaq. And I don't think the Nets really need Motumbo, as long as Mourning stays healthy. I think they can compete with anybody.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 3:12 PM

*~~*, this is why you rock...

In today's NY Post is this:

"Lovely Joumana Kidd held a surprise party for husband Jason at the 40/40 Club last Sunday to celebrate his new contract and the beginning of the new season. Byron Scott, Alonzo Mourning, Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson and 100 friends and family were on hand for the private event."

Now I wasn't even surprised by this because you told us about this a long time ago! That is why your the best!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 3:16 PM

no posts or threats from DM lately, huh?

Posted by *~~* on October 12, 2003 3:17 PM

haha.. its nice to know something that not a lot of other people know, isn't it?

Posted by *~~* on October 12, 2003 3:19 PM

Hey my name is Laura and I just stumbeled across this MB, and I'm so glad because there are NO good J. Kidd websites out there!!

I can't believe how much gossip I've been reading in the past hour ( I skimmed a lot) but I was wondering where the whole Toni Braxton thing came into the picture during the Dallas days, and if anyone could email the Mateen Cleaves article everyone is talking about, that would be loveley


Posted by Laura on October 12, 2003 8:39 PM

DM and vg have disappeared.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 12, 2003 10:04 PM

You seem to know so much. Can you tell us who besides the Kidds and the Net players were present?

Posted by D.M. on October 13, 2003 12:00 PM

And being that you know so much, What kind of party did they have for TJ's birthday yesterday? What was the biggest gift he got?

Posted by DM on October 13, 2003 12:23 PM

oh look, DM is back... i'm not telling you sh*t

Posted by *~~* on October 13, 2003 3:09 PM

You all need to get a life!!!! While you're busy worrying about what Jason, Joumana and everyone else is doing, they are living their lives, not concerned about what any one of you thinks about them. Do you guys ahve jobs??? My goodness!

Posted by Dana Kendra on October 13, 2003 3:44 PM

Dana, if you don't care about Kidd, then get off the board. We can discuss what we what and no one is forcing you to be here.

I was wondering what kind of party they had for TJ yesterday myself.

And DM, you have quite the variety of email addresses!

Posted by the real anonymous on October 13, 2003 5:27 PM

Oh yeah, was Donny Marshall at Joumana's party?

Posted by Anonymous on October 13, 2003 5:29 PM

Well ms. Dana, you must not have a job or life yourself if your posting too. It sounds like you need to get the same life your suggesting for us. Get Lost!!!
It sounds like you need some more schooling your self, it's HAve not AHve.

Posted by mb on October 13, 2003 9:31 PM

*~~*, T.J. and the twins were born in the same month.

Are you going to post anymore dirt, If not I understand after all you have to cover your butt just in case, but I really doubt If Jason or Joumana would ever come on this site.

Posted by D.D. on October 13, 2003 11:57 PM

What? Cover their butt? So you do think Jason is gay? I doubt he'll attack someone's butt just because they spilled dirt on him.

Posted by Mario on October 14, 2003 3:06 AM

Mario LOL you are too funny. I want to know who was at the party to DM... Dana we are all losers including yourself.... but worst yet.. who in their right mind posts their full name. Unless it's a decoy for us to think it's someone else.

*~~* come on tell us. I want to know too all the dirt you keep getting.

Posted by Karina on October 14, 2003 11:18 AM

I still maintain that you get a life, get a life, get a life!!!! why don't you just stalk The Kidds since that is the eventual next step since all you guys do is leave and breath for every morsel of information about them. Hey, I have an idea, why don't you apply for a nanny position? You will kill two birds with one stone that way-employment (since you seem to have none)and privy to their private lives. Geeeesh!! What a bunch of losers. And as for the individual that suggested I needed schooling because I misspelled "have", you're funny. this is a message board for a bunch of losers-I wasn't writing a dissertation or thesis. I don't feel the need to go back and check my spelling. You guys really don't realize how annoying you are.

Posted by Dana Kendra on October 14, 2003 12:38 PM

That was me who suggested the spelling. If we're such loosers, get lost, like I said. Obviously you don't have anything to do yourself, because you took the time to come back! You sound so ignorant. If grown people want to have a discussion about something of common interest, leave them alone. I'm sure you and your little friends gossip over silly stuff, don't act like you don't. Get Lost!!!

Posted by mb on October 14, 2003 12:47 PM

And Dana Kendra (Donatella to be exact)is my real name honey. I have nothing to hide. I'm actually between classes right now and bored to tears hence my post. whenever I get really bored or just need a good laugh, I check out you guys wondering what the Kidds are wondering about, sleeping with, eating, color of toilet paper they use.......etc. Sad, sad, sad because they don't give a s**t about what you guys think or say. You are so inconsequential to their every day being and that's why it pains me to see young (I'm assuming)minds and energies wasted this way. Okay, till the next time, i'm off to get some mo' schooling. Chow.

Posted by Dana Kendra ( on October 14, 2003 12:51 PM

Dana are you a fan of Jason Kidd or do you not like him? Because this message board isn't exactly listed as a fan board so if you aren't looking for Jason topics it's hard to just stumble upon this site.

Posted by Karina on October 14, 2003 4:01 PM

i believe TJs birthday party is THIS weekend.

Posted by *~~* on October 14, 2003 4:01 PM

oh, ok *~~*

I guess your gonna be there. Do they have these parties in their house or do they go somewhere? Tell us how it goes, ok? :)

Posted by the real anonymous on October 14, 2003 4:59 PM

Actually the party was last Sunday. And they had a small party at their home in NJ. But Joumana asked everyone to please give a donation to their fund raiser in the name of TJ instead of getting him gifts.

Posted by Karina on October 14, 2003 8:00 PM

nope, sorry. its this coming sunday

Posted by *~~* on October 14, 2003 9:25 PM

surely, she wouldn't take away from the baby getting his gifts, it is a childs party not a fundraiser.

How old is T.J anyway?

Posted by D.D. on October 15, 2003 1:31 AM

He's 5 his birthday was last week. And it's not they are trying to take away from the TJ's gifts it's just that they are trying to raise more money for the children.

here's the clipping out of the paper:

T.J. Kidd turns 5 today and while he'll have a birthday celebration, mom Joumana and dad asked friends and family to make donation to Jason Kidd Foundation to help hospitalized children in lieu of gifts.

If you want to read the whole story it's here:

So *~~* although you may know alot about them, you don't know everything.

Posted by Karina on October 15, 2003 11:24 AM

Karina, you're wrong. That newspaper article does not say an exact date for TJ's party. While you may try to get your info from newspapers, *~~* gets info right from the horse's mouth for the most part. Stop telling *~~* that she's wrong because she's actually right and it just makes you look dumb.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 15, 2003 12:03 PM

karina is such a know-it- all. i agree with the poster who asked her to get a life.
karina, y don't u ask "the poster known as the symbol" to hook you up with a gig with the kidds. then instead of being a know-it-all and getting your info 3rd hand you can watch all the action as it unfolds. but the only problem with that is that u might be like Glen close in fatal attraction and try and make JK your baby-daddy.

Posted by tsk,tsk,tsk on October 15, 2003 12:39 PM


First of all I don't understand your writing. Second, I'm married and I have a job and I'm not looking to find a father for my son. My son has a great father and I would switch him for anyone in the world. He's my soul mate. So don't assume I would do what you have in your mind to do. I was just saying that his birthday party was last week because I read the paper article and I remembered someone telling me that there was a party at the KIDD's house last week so I figured it had to be TJ's since his birthday was Sunday. And I never said I know it all because I don't. So why don't you get a life since its obvious that you don't have one either being that you are in here constantly like the rest of us.

Posted by Karina on October 15, 2003 2:56 PM

first of all it's tsk,tsk,tsk-you missed one. secondly thanks for sharing your life story but I think you take yourself a little too seriously and obviuosly have entirely toooo much time on your hands. this is a friggin message board. you really shouldn't care what I or anyone else thinks about your fixation with jason, joumana, tJ and the twins.

Posted by tsk,tsk,tsk to my new best friend karina on October 15, 2003 3:56 PM

haha. That's all so sweet Karina but I remember about 6 months ago when all of your posts were about how hot Jason is and how much you wanted him and how you would be his sex slave... lol.

Oh yeah, do the Nets stay in a hotel for this whole training camp month? Like, do they never go home in between preseason games? wondering. maybe *~~* knows?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 15, 2003 5:04 PM

come on everyone we've made peace with each other,remember we all apologized to one another,be nice to karina

Posted by D.D. on October 16, 2003 12:35 AM

Did Joumana and TJ make their annual appearance at Net's Open Practice at CAA on Wednesday night? I remember seeing them there last year with Joumana's mother and TJ looked horrendously ticked off that he had to be there and Joumana seemed totally uninterested in watching her husband practice, so I wonder why they go?

Posted by the real anonymous on October 16, 2003 2:14 AM

What do you all think about the new evidence of Kobe's accuser? I have just some here:
Bryant attorney Pamela Mackey wasted no time getting Detective Doug Winters to say that the yellow underwear the woman wore to her rape exam at a nearby hospital the next day contained sperm from another man, along with Caucasian pubic hair.

If you want to read the rest

What do you all think? Wow she is so molded. How do you think you can outsmart DNA? She needs to be in prison for that accusation if this is true.

Posted by mb on October 16, 2003 2:59 AM

Mackey, who was subdued while questioning Winters, also managed to introduce something prosecutors didn't talk about last week -- a statement by the night auditor at the hotel who was the first person the accuser saw when she left Bryant's room.

The night auditor sent police a letter saying she saw the woman as she came back to the front desk at the Cordillera Lodge & Spa.

"What the night auditor says in her letter is the accuser did not look or sound as if there had been any problem," Mackey said, asking Winters "Correct?"

"Yes," Winters responded.

Legal experts said the evidence of the woman's previous sexual partners and her admission she was excited to meet Bryant makes the prosecution's case appear weak.

"It's a disaster for the prosecution," Eagle attorney Jim Fahrenholtz said.

Wow, even more molded. Didn't someone else try to say she was a mess? I swear if this a game their playing, they gon' gettit!!!

Posted by mb on October 16, 2003 3:04 AM

MB I agree with you 100%. From the start her story seemed a little fishy. And then when reports came out that she had beem bragging the size of Kobe's thing..
If you have some time to kill go to there are some allegations that this girl has a mental disorder that is called Munchausen Syndrome which causes a person to do harm to themselves in order to get attention. It's also has a whole lot of things that I never knew about Kobe and stuff. It's pretty interesting.

And for you other people who think I don't have a life.. Like I told you before most of my work involves me to do research on things so I'm always on the internet. It's not that I don't have a life it's my job. And yes I did say Jason Kidd is hot I never denied it. I don't have a fixation on him I just like him as a person. I'm allowed to look that's why god gave us all the gift of sight!

Posted by Karina on October 16, 2003 12:21 PM

i apologise karina, i got a little bit carried away. u seem like a good person

Posted by tsk,tsk,tsk on October 16, 2003 3:14 PM

TSK TSK TSK no hard feeling... We're cool.

One thing that stays on my mind when thinking about the whole situation with Kobe and this girl.... The new evidence that came out like MB said was that they found semen and pubic hair on her yellow panties that she wore to the rape exam. Which by the way was a day after the suppose rape and 3 days after she originally told Kobe she had sex last. How on earth is can there be any traces or pubic hairs on an underwear from 3 days ago. Unless she never changed her panties I don't see how they would stay inbedded on her undies. And if she was wearing the same panties didn't Kobe smell her?
YUK!!!!!!!!! What was he thinking? She has to be a really disturb individual if she doesn't bath or shower and change panties after she did what she did. I wonder what her coverup for that is going to be?
Sorry if I grossed any one out!

Posted by Karina on October 16, 2003 4:54 PM

Didn't Jason Kidd date Toni Braxton and Robin Givens around the same time,remember her video "He wasn't man enough" could that video have been about Jason, because the man in that video (kerry Lewis)favors him alot

Posted by D.D. on October 17, 2003 12:26 AM

Jason Kidd never dated Toni Braxton. Not even close. He was supposed to go meet her in December of 1995, but it never ended up happening.

Posted by Anonymous on October 17, 2003 11:34 AM

Jason Kidd dated Robin Givens and he did make some booty calls to Toni, but the Jimmy Jackson thing ruined everything Robin was in the 'Man Enough for Me' video, and it was a swipe at him and other men, because Jason was still tryin to holla

Posted by Laura on October 17, 2003 7:00 PM

This article is from
RE: Co-coolest celebrity. You may actually be tied for first now for best interview.

Union: I don't usually get to talk about men and stuff in interviews. Mostly it'll be like, "So, Gabrielle, what was your most embarrassing moment?" How about Jason Kidd dumping me in front of my father. Write that.

RE: That really happened?

Union: I never saw it coming. It was after a game, and he was standing with his family and this girl. My dad is sitting way up in the Himalayas and he could see it coming a mile away. He's saying to me the whole time, "Let's go. Let's go." And I'm like, "No, Dad, I'm gonna stay." And everyone in the gym is looking at me. Then I hear someone say, "Jason, why don't you just do it?" Then it dawns on me what's happening. So Jason comes over, and he starts doing that Magic Johnson blinking thing, so I ask, "Is it positive or negative." He says, "It's bad." Then I just started crying, because I was gonna be Mrs. Jason Kidd. Of course, it's only high school. He's 16, I'm 17, but I'm thinking we're gonna be together forever. After that, I was like, "This will never happen to me again." I developed a shell.

Posted by Laura on October 17, 2003 9:09 PM

Laura I thought that video had a little something to do with Jason,thank you

The thing about Gabrielle Union, I think she talked about that on one of the late night talk shows,I think that was "cold" how he handled the situation.
I bet she looks back on that situation and thinks "Damn, that could have been me getting popped in the mouth."

Posted by D.D. on October 18, 2003 2:40 PM

DD that is so funny. But somehow she (Gabriel) doesn't look like the type that would have let him get away with popping her in the mouth. The 911 tapes would have been something like:

Quick send an ambulance... I just broke my husbands arm with a frying pan because he thought it was okay to smack me in the mouth.

Posted by Karina on October 20, 2003 11:55 AM

LOL. karina you are stooopid. that was funny. but it probably was a blessing for her cos she wouldn't have the fabulous career she's having now.

Posted by tsk,tsk,tsk on October 20, 2003 2:35 PM

*~~*, are you okay?

Posted by Anonymous on October 20, 2003 8:01 PM

anonymous, I don't think (*~~*) is going to be posting anymore.

Posted by D.D. on October 20, 2003 10:55 PM

why not, D.D.?

Posted by Anonymous on October 21, 2003 12:39 AM

Did something happen to *~~*?

Posted by Karina on October 21, 2003 10:51 AM


Posted by nuna on October 21, 2003 5:18 PM

*~~*, has truly disappeared. I am worried.

Posted by Anonymous on October 21, 2003 5:23 PM

LOL that was a good one Karina...

Posted by Shawn on October 22, 2003 1:15 AM

*~~* used to be here everyday... Now she is never online. I hope nothing bad happened to her.

Posted by Anonymous on October 22, 2003 4:55 PM

Anonymous, what makes you think that something happened to her? Do you talk to her on a personal level? How would you know when she's online or when she's not. She may even be reading the boards but just doesn't want to reply right now. Maybe she went on vacation or she's just really busy. Maybe she's one of the lucky people who actually won World Series tickets for life! Anyway, I don't think anything bad happened to her she's just probably busy is all. She'll be back you'll see.

Posted by Karina on October 23, 2003 9:18 AM

Well, when people ask her questions, she would usually respond very fast, so I assumed she just wasn't online, which is strange, since she used to reply to people here everyday.

Posted by Anonymous on October 23, 2003 2:21 PM

I can see that alot has been said here, as usual. So this whole thing about Toni Braxton was finally cleared, thank God, because I was starting to think for a minute Jason was a hewhore. I have to go so hit me up. PEACE

Posted by mimi on October 24, 2003 12:03 AM

Mimi you may be on the right track. As far as I know he was a ho but only up until he got married. Or so he'll only admit to being one before. He says he's a good little boy now. LOL

Posted by Karina on October 24, 2003 2:23 PM

*~~* isn't a female, he's a guy. He said it awhile back.

Posted by Shawn on October 25, 2003 4:50 AM

Oh no.. Trouble in Paradise but good news for us NETS fans. Guess we don't have to worry about the Lakers yet another playoff year! :

Sunday, October 26, 2003

By Marc Stein

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- The Los Angeles Lakers will open the season Tuesday night at home with all four of their future Hall of Famers starting against the Dallas Mavericks ... but nothing even close to total harmony.

That's because Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant are feuding anew, out in the open, after a long thaw in their historically icy relationship.

O'Neal and Bryant seemed to be interacting comfortably Sunday on the practice floor, sharing the ball freely during an afternoon workout. Then they traded nasty verbal jabs after the session -- arguably their harshest comments since L.A.'s second championship season -- all stemming from O'Neal's suggestion Friday night in Las Vegas that Bryant "should probably look to be more of a passer until he gets his legs strong."

Bryant, recovering from offseason knee and shoulder surgeries, didn't welcome the suggestion, saying: "I definitely don't need advice on how to play my game."

Not even advice from O'Neal?

"Definitely not," Bryant continued. "I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post, and I'll worry about the [perimeter]."

When apprised of Bryant's reaction, O'Neal lashed out harder.

"As we start this new season, we want [expletive] done right," Shaq said. "If you don't like it, then you can opt out next year. As long as it's my team, then I'll voice my opinion. If you don't like it, then opt out."

That was a reference to Bryant's plan to exercise an option in his contract at season's end and test the free-agent market next summer, a stance Bryant has said he won't change in the wake of his felony sexual assault charge in Colorado.

Asked to clarify his "my team" remark, O'Neal added: "Everybody knows that. You [media] guys may give it to [Bryant] like you've given him everything else his whole lifetime, but this is the Diesel's ship. So ... if you ain't right [physically], don't be trying to go out there and get right on our expense. Use the people out there, then when you get right you [can] do what you do."

Not since the middle of the 2001-02 season -- the second of L.A.'s three consecutive championships -- have O'Neal and Bryant sparred in the press like this. Their relationship seemed to blossom into friendship during the third championship and also appeared to survive last season's 11-19 start and subsequent crash out of the playoffs with a second-round loss to San Antonio.

Throughout this first month back to work, however, there have been thinly veiled hints from O'Neal that problems have resurfaced, starting from the veterans' first day of training camp in Hawaii. Bryant did not fly on the Lakers' team charter and reported to camp a day late. O'Neal said at the time that "the full team is here," leading some to speculate that he preferred to play this season without the distractions attached to Bryant's court case.

Days later, explaining why he was sitting out an exhibition game with a sore left heel, O'Neal said: "I want to be right [in the regular season] for Derek, Karl and Gary.'' He was referring to Derek Fisher and new teammates Karl Malone and Gary Payton -- and O'Neal ommitted Bryant's name from the conversation more than once.

Malone and Payton, by contrast, have publicly supported Bryant as strongly as anyone in Lakers circles. But even Payton has urged Bryant to ease his way back into the team flow, after Bryant fatigued quickly and shot poorly in the second half of the Lakers' final two exhibition games.

Eyebrows were also raised when Bryant, for Thursday's exhibition in Anaheim against the Clippers, rode his motorcycle to and from the game instead of riding on the team bus.

Yet O'Neal, when pressed, insisted that the Lakers can play through any problems he's having with Bryant.

"I don't really worry about that," O'Neal said when asked about the state of the relationship. "I'm here to do a job. ... If he's open, I'm going to give it to him. If I'm open, I expect him to give it to me. I don't care about [expletive] else he does, and I know he don't care [expletive] else I do."

What's clear is that Lakers coach Phil Jackson, who spoke to reporters before his stars started volleying barbs, has his first real challenge of the season, less than 48 hours before the season opener. And it's right in his own locker room, not in a Colorado courtroom.

Asked about how he plans to play against the Mavericks on Tuesday night, Bryant said: "No change in my game whatsoever."

Said O'Neal: "Just ask Karl and Gary why they came here. One person, not two. One. Period. ... I'm not telling [Bryant] how to play his position. I'm telling him how to play team ball."

Posted by Karina on October 27, 2003 12:22 PM

If Shaq wants to teach Kobe how to play "team ball", then he should stop calling the Lakers his team. He is so arrogant sometimes. Maybe if he stopped bossing Kobe around, Kobe would feel more comfortable riding the team bus.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 27, 2003 5:29 PM

After all the fighting Kobe has said if he leaves the Lakers it will be thanks to Shaq's childishness. Wonder if he would consider coming to the NETS? Ya think we would go after him? Anyone have any comments?

Posted by Karina on October 29, 2003 2:10 PM

We have no money to go after Kobe. We are already paying Kidd a huge contract and Martin is due for a huge contract himself next year. There is no way that we could afford him, unless we give up a bunch of guys. But I doubt LA would even do a sign and trade for guys like Kittles and Jefferson. We would need another team to take Kittles and other guys and then sign Kobe, but who cares. I don't want selfish Kobe on the Nets. Not to mention that Kobe will probably be in jail next year, or at least really distracted. Plus, I doubt he wants to move to NJ after living in glamourous LA. It's not going to happen.

Posted by Anonymous on October 29, 2003 4:31 PM

Well you really never know he is from Philly and his parents are still here on the east coast. You never know. But you are right about the money... It's nice to dream though isn't it?

Posted by Karina on October 29, 2003 7:31 PM

I think what Shaq said initially was ok, I don't think he was trying to tell Kobe how to play his game, I just think he was thinking of his team. Kobe does need to make sure his leg is fully recovered from his surgery. Being that he didn't inform anyone (even management) of his injury in the first place shows how selfish he is, also no one knows how bad the injury was. Yes Shaq can be cocky, but I don't think anyone is worse than Kobe. Shaq was just keeping it real. Kobe is a ball hog, and he doesn't pass the ball as much as he should. He misses some of the shots he takes during crunch times when other people are open to take them. He has gotten a little better, however, even without an injury, he doesn't pass as much as he should. He just needs to grow up alot, and until he realizes that and quits trying to think he knows everything and has everything in control or his way, he is going to continue to have issues. Thats why he is in the situation he is in now, HE'S HARDHEADED, he really needs to just listen sometimes and quit taking things so personal. I can see Shaq as probably sometimes being a little butt and pushing buttons to see how far he can go, but all in all, he has showed leadership and team playing, thats why he's the captain of the team. Kobe can say what he wants about his weight, but Shaq still handles his business on the court, and he is definitely more of a team player. I think during Shaq's career, he has definitely listened and took heed. His game has definitely improved.

Thats just my opinion of the game of basketball and attitudes I have seen since I have watched basketball (since I was 6 years old), and played myself. Jordan was cocky as well, but you know what? He can be, and he wasn't cocky in an annoying manner. He wasn't hard headed either.

Posted by mb on October 30, 2003 3:10 AM

All in all I don't think Shaq is being childish, I just think he spoke up and said some things other people probably wanted to say. I don't think he is trying to boss Kobe either, he simply made a suggestion. Then Kobe took it personal and just took it as Shaq was telling him how to play HIS game, key word, HIS. That tells you about Kobe. Shaq says this is the Diesel team because he is the captain, so in a sense, it is his team. Jordan used to do the same thing with the Bulls when the team was losing focus. He used to be in the huddle yelling at people during the playoffs telling them what to do and step up. That is the job as a captain, you have to basically act as the coach. If the coach is out or the assistant coaches are out, who do you think needs to make the decision? The captain. Hell, when I went to Oregon State and we watched Gary and the team practice, I used to remember Ralph Miller sitting in a foldup chair on the sideline and Gary telling everybody what to do. He would be yelling at a couple of the players, and only sometimes Ralph would get his old ass up and say a couple words and sit his ass back down and leave the rest up to Gary. Some of the players hated Gary, and he could be an a-hole, but he had respect. He was also a team player, and thats why Oregon State did as good as they did while he was their. Some people might not agree with Shaq, but any professional sport is about the business of winning championships, period. Yeah it would be great if everyone was nice and got along, in a perfect world, but hey thats not how it happens.

Posted by mb on October 30, 2003 3:23 AM

Oops, I misspelled their, I meant to say there.

Posted by mb on October 30, 2003 3:25 AM

I completely agree with what Kobe said about Shaq. He said exactly what a lot of people were thinking. He's been nitpicking at Kobe through the media for the past 7 years, and now he got a taste of his own medicine.

Shaq has always come off to me as a childish person who doesn't think before he speaks. I don't even like Kobe, but I applaud him for calling Shaq out. I find it hypocritical how Shaq can fuss about someone being out of shape when he came into the season overweight last year after his toe surgery and immediately started complaining when he wasn't getting the ball as much. He certainly wasn't saying take a step back then. He has yet to acknowledge the fact that he let his team down last year by coming in out of shape and waiting so late to get his toe surgery done. That doesn't sound very befitting of a "captain" to me. I actually think it's Shaq that doesn't truly get the whole team concept. Whenever the Lakers lose, it's always someone else's fault. I've rarely seen Shaq do this. He can proclaim himself to be a leader all day long, but he certainly isn't acting like one. There's more to being a leader than just dunking a basketball. A leader would have kept it behind closed doors. A leader would not have said "If you don't like it, then opt out." A leader would not have said "They only came for me." Kobe was the only real running mate that he had out there in LA. No matter how much you dislike Kobe, he has carried that team right alongside Shaq. Both of them have done it TOGETHER. Kobe acknowledges that. Shaq refuses to do it. He thinks it's all about him. Those don't sound like good leadership qualities to me.

Shaq puts his foot in his mouth all the time, and for all of the shots that he's taken at folks in the media, it's about time that the tables got turned on him. Now that he sees how it feels, maybe he'll actually use his brain before he opens his mouth the next time. For all that talk about him being a leader or a captain, it about time he started acting like one.

Posted by Nobody on October 31, 2003 9:53 AM

I completely agree, Nobody.

Posted by the real anonymous on October 31, 2003 1:31 PM

I agree with some points you said, not all. We just have different outlooks on the two individuals. Like I said, Shaq seems like he can pick at you until you flash on him. I don't think he picks on Kobe, I just think Kobe does need to be more of a team player, regardless of what Shaq says to or about him. There might be some things that go on we don't ever know about. I just feel when someone tells Kobe something, that might be for his own good, he takes it so personal and the first thing he wants to do is the opposite. Also you have to admit, that was selfish of Kobe to not tell anyone of his injury. At least with Shaq it was known. Shaq never said it was because of him that they won the championships, so I don't understand where your coming from with saying Shaq needs to get together a team concept. As far as Shaq being "overweight", what is his weight supposed to be? Shaq's game improved more since he was smaller. He still handles his business in the low post. What other center can really handle Shaq in the league? He's powerful. He also spent a lot of time during the off season (some years back)working on his freethrow. People were clowning it so bad, thats what he did all summer. Don't get me wrong, Shaq has his faults as well. Like that All Star game when they were honoring the (I think it was 25 or 50) All Stars of all time, Shaq didn't attend and he could have. He was out that season for a while he had some type of surgery. I thought that was very disrespectful to legends such as Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Dr. J, Bill Russell, etc. All I'm saying is I feel honestly they were both wrong as far as how they went about voicing their concerns. Your also right about Kobe probably just gets tired of Shaq's mouth. That just shows his maturity level though. If he just ignored Shaq's ass, Shaq would leave him alone. Shaq knows it gets to him, so he just keeps doing it, so Shaq can be immature as well. However, I don't think Shaq was saying that to try to tell Kobe how to pass and play his game, it's just when you have more guards than centers, the guard can give up the ball a little more and tend to his injury. The Lakers don't have the option to put another center in with Shaq's capabilities. Now if Shaq was saying that to deliberatly attack Kobe, then by all means he is wrong, but I don't think he was.

Posted by mb on October 31, 2003 5:07 PM

Also what else did Shaq nitpick about Kobe to the media. As I recall the last time him and Kobe were fueding, he clowned the media for pressing the issue. They kept on trying to get either 1 to say something about their altercation, and neither 1 of them did. I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just don't recall.
Also you said Shaq is a hypocrite saying someone coming into the season out of shape. I don't recall him saying was out of shape, he said so he could tend to his injury. There is a difference betweeen overweight and out of shape. You can be both, but there is a difference. So even if Shaq is overweight, if he's handling his business and doing his job well on court, and getting good stats, then he's not out of shape.
Also, Shaq didn't say all those comments about why Gary and Karl came until Kobe got upset and made his comments, and anyway, it's true. If Shaq wasn't a leader, why would he network to have those two to sign? Why wouldn't he keep all the glory to himself and 1 other star? Those are two proven leaders, Gary is a powerful guard he knows can gel well with Kobe. Karl is a powerful forward he knows can help him in the low post.
Kobe is also a captain as well but he doesn't have that leadership quality yet. Kobe is a great basketball player, I don't care for him as a person, but he is an extraordinary ball player. He just needs to loosen up a little. He seems like everything is a personal attack against him. He seems like he isn't very social with his teammates either. Maybe Gary can will be able to reach out to him and lighten him up a little. Karl is too much like Shaq, so I don't think it's going to happen that way. I think Shaq looks at Kobe like a little brother, thats why they always seem to be cool after all is said and done.

Posted by mb on October 31, 2003 5:28 PM

We both have our own opinions, and they differ a lot.

I think Kobe has reigned in a lot of his game over the years for the sake of the Laker team and pacifying Shaq. He's capable of doing much more than he does, but he plays within the triangle offense and dumps the ball down to Shaq. This is one of the marks of what I consider to be a team player. The problem is that for a long time, their team only consisted of Shaq, Kobe, and everyone else. That caught up to them last year. Why? Because Shaq didn't come into the season prepared to play. You say he was out of shape. I say overweight. In my opinion, he was out of shape because he was overweight. He was carrying around a lot of extra weight that he subsequently lost over the summer when he was working with a trainer.

Malone and Payton didn't come to LA just to play with Shaq. They came to win a championship, and those championships are a result of both Kobe and Shaq. That's why I disagree with his comment that "They came for me." They came to win a championship: championships that Shaq has BECAUSE of Kobe. Shaq's statements made it all about him. That doesn't sound like someone that's acknowledging the team to me. If it does to you, then fine.

Neither one of their comments were very mature. Both of them are acting like children to me, but if you're going to boat and brag about it being your team, then you need to act like it. That means more than dunking a ball. If it's your team, then you need to be rallying them together instead of saying "If you don't like it, opt out" or that the media has given Kobe everything. Kobe's gotten a lot of things because he's a great player. Shaq didn't really acknowledge that point in my opinion. Implying that someone else doesn't really deserve what he's gotten and that it's just been given to him isn't the mark of a team player to me. Being a team player goes beyond what happens on the court in my opinion.

Shaq is a great player, but I don't consider him a good leader at all. I also don't consider him a good captain. It takes more to being a captain or a leader than dunking the ball and saying "It's my team." I also disagree with the notion that Kobe isn't much of a team player. If you think otherwise, then fine.

Posted by Nobody on November 1, 2003 10:13 AM

I just wish they'd shut up and grow up. All of this," Your not passing the ball," crap is childish. These are two grown men arguinag about nothing, and for what? Instead of crying about something so stupid, they need to be thinking of ways to come together and be a stronger team. Not that they're not already, but they need to keep their closeness in order to pull through all of this. With Kobe going through all of this court stuff, Shaq yelling at him won't help.

Posted by mimi on November 1, 2003 10:19 AM

Actually Nobody I said overweight, you said out of shape.
I do agree Kobe could play a lot better, but I don't think it's due to any triangle defense. I think he limits himself to mirroring Michael Jordan's game. He has the exact game, finesse, jump shot, layup, everything Michael. I think he would be much better if he mastered his own game. People don't give Kobe the props he deserves as far as his game, I think a lot of it is because people don't care for him. I don't either but I think he is an excellent ball player, you can't take that from him.
Personally I wish Bryan was still on the team, not because he was the bomb ball player, but because he was a definte team leader. He really knows how to keep the team unified. I do think Shaq had a lot to do with Karl and Gary coming to the team. Of course they wanted to win a championship, but I don't think that Kobe networked to get them there and that is what Shaq is referring to. I don't think he was saying they came because they wanted to play with just Shaq, I just think Shaq broke things down a little harder.

Posted by mb on November 2, 2003 12:40 AM

You also said it was because of Kobe that they won a championship, I don't think so. Just earlier you were talking about TEAM, now you say because of Kobe. I'm confused on your opinion. Shaq's stats were better 2002-03 season than 2001-02 across the board.

Posted by mb on November 2, 2003 12:48 AM

has anyone saw joumana's parents.if so how do they look like. i think joumana has black in her. her skin is too dark to be pure arabic

Posted by anonymous on November 2, 2003 6:09 AM

is joumana muslim since she is arabic. all arabic's are muslim

Posted by anonymous on November 2, 2003 6:24 AM

I agree with alot of points that all of you have stated in reference to Kobe and Shaq. Now if you remember back a while I had said that Kobe's interview with Newsweek had said that Kobe had felt mistreated by Shaq in the past. I think Shaq is just a big fat bully and he needs someone to put him in his place. I don't care how good he plays or how many championships he's got. He was a great player but didn't win a championship until the day he teamed up with Kobe therefor, he needs to sit down and shut up!

Posted by Karina on November 2, 2003 10:09 AM

i get to see jason kidd in march!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous on November 2, 2003 12:53 PM

Joumana's mother doesn't really look like her and she doesn't look black either. She's Palestinian and Lebanese. Joumana's father passed away and he's Jordanian and Egyptian. Such an exotic combination. (And it created a beautiful woman.) I wonder if her sibling(s) are as attractive as she is?

Posted by Anonymous on November 2, 2003 2:54 PM

Anonymous, why do you get to see Jason Kidd in march?

Posted by D.D. on November 2, 2003 4:35 PM

So Joumana does have some black in her if she is part Egyptian.

Posted by Anonymous on November 3, 2003 3:11 AM

"You also said it was because of Kobe that they won a championship, I don't think so."

Actually I said: "They came to win a championship, and those championships are a result of both Kobe and Shaq."

"Just earlier you were talking about TEAM, now you say because of Kobe."

Nope. Again, another quote from me: "No matter how much you dislike Kobe, he has carried that team right alongside Shaq. Both of them have done it TOGETHER."

I give Kobe just as much credit as I give Shaq. When Shaq was talking about Malone and Payton coming to LA, he said that "they came for one person, not two." That's a very egotisical and self-centered statement in my opinion. Combined with the comments about how the media has given Kobe everything, I don't think Shaq is giving Kobe enough credit. To say that it's all about you and has absolutely nothing to do with the future hall of famer playing alongside you just does not fit my definition of a team player.

You can give Shaq all the credit if you like, but I don't. Kobe is a big reason for why Shaq has three championships, and Shaq is a big reason for why Kobe has three championships. Both of them are on equal wavelengths in my mind. Some people do give Shaq more credit. I don't. If Shaq is a leader and a captain, then I consider him a crappy one for even starting this nonsense and making some of the statements that he did. Kobe firing back the way he did wasn't very mature at all, but Shaq being a so-called captain or leader shouldn't have said a lot of the things that he said in the media to begin with.

There's more to being a leader than putting up good stats. Saying "If you don't like it, then opt out" is not the mark of a good captain/leader in my opinion. Now Shaq is going through the motions of dismissing the whole thing. He shouldn't have started it in the first place.

Posted by Nobody on November 3, 2003 9:08 AM

If Joumana is part Egyptian, then technically she is African, considering Egypt is in Africa. However, sking color has nothing to do with what ethnicity you are. The model Tyson Beckford's mother is Chinese, and for those who've seen his skin color know the point I'm trying to make.

Joumana's mom is in MTV's diary when Jason was on. She was sitting in the kitchen with Jason's mom. She had short hair and a really big nose, no offense, but this is one of the reasons I don't like Joumana with Jason because she is pushy, and she's fake, literally and physically.

Posted by Laura on November 3, 2003 11:39 AM

"is joumana muslim since she is arabic. all arabic's are muslim"

All Arabs aren't Muslim. Lebanon actually has the largest Christian population in the Middle East. They have a number of Catholics, and Joumana has talked about going to mass before.

Posted by Nobody on November 3, 2003 12:18 PM

I doubt Joumana has any Black in her. There's other races in Africa in case some of you didn't know.

Posted by Shawn on November 3, 2003 11:53 PM

So Egyptians aren't considered black? Just like most South Africans are white?

Posted by Anonymous on November 4, 2003 4:57 PM

the only people who consider themselves 'black' are african americans/decendants of slaves. People from Africa that I know are offended when you consider them black. But I do know a lot of Egyptian people how take advantage of a lot of African American scholarships and services at my university.

Posted by Anonymous on November 4, 2003 8:41 PM

That last post was by me, forgot to put my name :)

Posted by Laura on November 4, 2003 8:41 PM

most south africans are black.90%are black and 10%are white

Posted by anonymous on November 5, 2003 1:13 AM

i am offended. i am from somalia and i consider myself black

Posted by anonymous on November 5, 2003 1:15 AM

Well Nobody, I re read your statements and that is what you said, now you are changing up a little bit. Bottom line is it is because of both. I also heard Shaq started that whole who ha to get the focus off of Kobe's court case. Not the best way to do it, but it worked for a minute.
Also Joumana did have a big nose. I was just looking in an old Architectural Digest and there was an advertisement for something in Arizona and 1 ad was a jeweler and Joumana was the person advertising for the jeweler. That must have been before she got her nose job, because her nose was like it was back in the day. It didn't seem that big to me back in the day, then again in the photo she had her hair pulled back so that must have been why it looked bigger than normal. She had like reddish color hair also.
Also the statement I made about Joumana being part black was sarcastic, although Egypt is part of Africa, and there are alot of black Egyptians. It's just she does look like she has some in her. Egypt is also part of Aisa, so it's not like I don't know my history. I know some Africans who don't mind being classified as black, so that statement about them getting offended isn't always true. It would also take someone who is somewhat sheltered to not know that some South Africans are white.

Posted by mb on November 5, 2003 2:56 AM

"championships that Shaq has BECAUSE of Kobe."
I was basing what I said on this statement you made, if I am reading into it wrong, please correct me.

Posted by mb on November 5, 2003 3:01 AM

Egypt isn't a part of Asia, it just borders it. It acutally borders with what we call "The Middle East"

I said Africans *I* know prefer not to be called Black because it has the suggestion that you are an African American. So yes it is true that all the Africans I know are offended when you classify them as black.

I can tell now from re-reading that a lot of you think someone's skin color determines their race. Or vice versa. Joumana being a little tan doesn't mean she has some black in her, it means she has melanin in her skin. Shit, look at Jason! Is he not black because he's so bright-skinned?

I only come to this board for some juicy gossip, but I had to speak up on this issue because I'm multiracial and I hate when people try to guess my race because of my skin color and hair texture. I'm sure Joumana has goine through, and is going through the same stuff. Just leave it alone, she's an American.

Posted by Laura on November 5, 2003 9:50 AM

"I was basing what I said on this statement you made, if I am reading into it wrong, please correct me."

Yeah, you are reading into it wrong. In my first post about it I said: "No matter how much you dislike Kobe, he has carried that team right alongside Shaq. Both of them have done it TOGETHER." You can go back and re-read it if you like.

Here's the whole portion to the one line that you singled out and are getting mistaken about:

"They came to win a championship, and those championships are a result of both Kobe and Shaq. That's why I disagree with his comment that "They came for me." They came to win a championship: championships that Shaq has BECAUSE of Kobe."

It helps to look at the entire line in context instead of singling it out. In those sentences, I'm saying that they've won those championships together, but Shaq singled himself out by saying they only came for him. I disagree with that statement because Kobe was right there beside him carrying that team with him. Shaq does have his championships because of Kobe because they did it together. I didn't feel it was necessary to say vice versa (Kobe winning because of Shaq) because I thought it would have been implied. But since you read into it incorrectly, I guess I should have gone ahead and done it anyway. But you can also reverse that and say Kobe has his championships because of Shaq, and I would also say that was true.

I still think Shaq is childish, a bad leader, and isn't being much a team player with the comments that he made. I don't think it was phony or made-up, and I still agree with everything that Kobe said about him. None of that has changed a single bit.

Posted by Nobody on November 5, 2003 11:50 AM

Is there anybody on this board who actually knows Jason or Joumana personally? Have any of you ever them?

Posted by pink on November 5, 2003 2:17 PM

Yes, there are. It's amazing how many people found this board.

Posted by Anonymous on November 5, 2003 4:52 PM

Come on everyone let's not turn this into a race thing
lets continue to gossip like we've been doing!
Does anyone have anymore juicy dirt on Shaq and Kobe
or Jason and Joumana (it doesn't matter)?

Posted by D.D. on November 5, 2003 4:52 PM

Who actually knows Jason and Joumana, and if so how?

Posted by Pink on November 5, 2003 6:15 PM

Laura you arent the only person who is multi racial. Again like I said I was being sarcastic when I said Joumana had black in her. Everybody knows she isn't black. I'm sorry though, but the skin color and features can make people think you are of a certain race when you aren't. People call me white girl or think I'm only white and I have several races in me. Some people think I am part Spanish or Puerto Rican and I don't have either in me. Also I know modernt day Egypt's general population is Arabic. That is neither here nor there because now it is getting too deep when the comments I made were sarcastic.

Posted by mb on November 6, 2003 2:33 AM

You know what Nobody? I did read the whole statement, and regardless the ending statement to ME still stands alone. I'm not trying to change your opinion so I don't know why your making it seem like I am, just like I don't think you are trying to change mine, all I'm doing is voicing my opinion. You say something I do or don't agree I am going to state my opinion. I am also the first one to say (if you would read the whole statement as well), even though I don't like Kobe as far as attitude, he is an excellent ball player. I don't take anything away from Kobe as far as the game or what is right, so I don't know where you get I am basing my opinion on him because I don't care for him from what I see. I keep and open mind about him as well as anyone else I don't care for. Thats just like me saying, I can't stand Serena Williams and she sucks at tennis. That would be stupid. So you should read as well.

Befor people don't think I like Serena, please don't think I don't like Serena, I love her, I was just trying to prove a point.

Posted by mb on November 6, 2003 2:43 AM

Okay fine mb.

I made my point. You made your point.


Posted by Nobody on November 6, 2003 8:18 AM


Posted by mb on November 6, 2003 6:01 PM

Hey MB, no shit I'm not the only person who is multiracial. There are 4.2 millon other people in america like me. If you had read and comprehended the whole post I made you would have understood my explaination of being multiracial the reason for taking interest in the "Is Joumana Black because she has dark skin" discussion.

I know that people's physical features may cause people to believe that they are of a certain race, but what I was TRYING to say was, let's not sit around and try to figure out if they are. Nobody has a reason to hide anything., think, comprehend!


Posted by Laura on November 6, 2003 7:54 PM

I'm new! I was excited to see a Jason and Joumana board, but so sad to see all this negative stuff. I know people who know them pretty well and some of this stuff is so far from the truth. I know it makes for good reading for some of you. If anyone is ever interested in some real answers feel free to ask me....I even know where to run into them if you wanted.
For the other people who want to keep spreading the negative fabricated stories; please ignore this post.

Posted by pink on November 6, 2003 11:54 PM

pink,tell us what you know.

Posted by D.D. on November 7, 2003 3:00 PM

I read the whole thing ms. laura, I just simply said what I felt about it. So don't think I didn't read or comprehend because I said what I did. I just speak on what sticks out in my mind. Don't take it so personal. I would be a fool to think you thought you were the only multiracial person in this world.


Posted by mb on November 7, 2003 8:21 PM

Also pink, just because someone has something (you think) might be negative, doesn't mean it isn't true. You know the Kidds from Jersey, some people know other sides of them, doesn't mean it's not true.

Posted by MB on November 7, 2003 8:23 PM

Pink I'm kinda new here too, but I'll welcome you anyways!

Don't mind MB she thinks they're extremly smart and witty, but truth be told, she's not fooling anyone.

Feel free to dish the dirt!!

Posted by Laura on November 7, 2003 11:44 PM

It's not just the "Kidds from Jersey". It's the older, more mature Kidds. You base your opinion of the Kidds on what they were like in college. How many popular college basketball stars do you know that AREN'T players? How many beautiful women in their early 20s do you know that aren't with a million men before marriage? You only know what the Kidds were like when they were in their early 20s, and they were just like any normal people that age.

Posted by Anonymous on November 8, 2003 2:01 PM

Well, good point anonynous. When a person becomes a celebrity, everything gets judged on a different scale for them. Most of the people who do the judging are usually the ones that could put them to shame with their own reputation. One of the people that I get my good sources from actually knows them from way back. If you ask me any questions, I'm sure I can answer them.

I can say that the stories I have heard about them are beautiful. For example nobody knows this....Joumana read an article in the paper about a seven year old boy that was fighting an aweful sickness and she contacted the family and made a donation to the child starting a college fund for him. The message She wanted the child to recieve from this was that she knew he was going to make it to college one day. She was pressured by the writer of this article to let her print a story about the kind donation and Joumana insisted it remain quiet. Jason on the other hand just last week (two seperate occations) went to visit two dying kids because it was their dream to see him in person. This was not something he had to do. If you want to follow up call the nets and ask them if Jason just made a dream come true for two sick kids...I believe it was with Make a Wish Foundation.

Posted by pink on November 8, 2003 6:36 PM

Here's a webpage that talks about Joumana's astrological signs, it also has a very nice picture of her that I've never seen before

Posted by Laura on November 8, 2003 8:46 PM

pink, as much as I would like to believe you stories, if you know anything about Joumana, you know that she will ALWAYS jump at the opportunity to have an article written about her or to get an appearance on TV. She loves the spotlight. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I am saying that she would never request to keep something like that quiet. Also, any charity work that Jason or any of the Nets do is followed closely on their website by the Nets organization. I don't believe that he has worked with the Make a Wish Foundation until the Nets say so, either through their website or on Nets Magazine on the YES Network. Also, judging by your spelling/grammar, I'm guessing you are a child or teen. I know you may rush when you type, but to spell awful as "aweful", it just makes it seem like you are a little kid. I would like to know who your "sources" are and how you know these people before I ask you any questions about the Kidds that you say you will gladly answer. Where are you from and when did you become a Kidd expert?

Posted by Anonymous on November 9, 2003 1:01 AM

Hey, pink. That's interesting. How did you find that stuff out? What else do you know? Is it true that Joumana neglects/doesn't care about her kids? do they really still attend counseling for problems that they are having? I know for a fact that someone who has posted here has spent a lot of time in the Kidd house over the past year or so, but I still question their statements, so any new info would be appreciated.

Posted by jessica on November 9, 2003 1:08 AM

Laura, I love you want to try to make me seem like I don't know anything or I am witty and I'm not. Love you too.
Also anonymous, I didn't say they can't change, or haven't changed, if you would read in my earlier posts, I say people can change. My point I was making is that just because we have negative encounters with the Kidds, doesn't mean it isn't true. I didn't say they aren't nice now or haven't changed. So make sure you take that into account when you are trying to prove a point.
Laura, I don't know who you think you are but I am not here trying to get into it with anyone, all I do is state my opinion. Everyone seems to have a problem with when I state my opinion, whether they agree or not. Why is that. I get more controversy. I don't mind, and it's not going to make me stop posting, so give it a break. Take it in stride, go with it. Thats ok, Laura you have only been here a minute. Just like Nobody and I have had a difference of opinions, however, we have agreed on some things also. Don't try to battle with me, it's not that serious. So for you trying to tell people to don't mind me, give it a break. If they want to talk directly to me or get upset with what I have to say, let em'. You are not running anything.

Posted by mb on November 9, 2003 2:00 AM

Laura, also, you are the 1 who said witty, not me. :-)

Posted by mb on November 9, 2003 2:10 AM

Ask Donyell who it was he Flew to Seattle from California sitting at the Will Call booth that cold day in 1995 that had to page him cause she couldnt get in.

Dang Donyell I had to keep that poor girl company!
werent you married? naughty, naughty Donyell Marshall!

Posted by JJ on November 9, 2003 4:49 AM

JJ, what and who are you talking about? You talking about Donyell Marshall on the Bulls?

Posted by the real anonymous on November 9, 2003 1:20 PM

You definitely need to get over the spelling issue. It really is not that serious. All you have to do is call the Nets about the charity work for Make a Wish that you don't believe me about. I'm sure they are just as credible if not more than YES or the website. I'll provide the number if you need 1-201-935-8888. Ask for Leo Ehrline or Phil Williams. About Joumana wanting the spotlight.....anyone who knows anything about the media knows that she has nothing to do with them shooting her so much during the games. I can name a ton of wives and girlfriends who sit courtside during the games and never get on camera. That is not her fault. Yes, she is a TV personality weather you like it or not so you will see her on TV. I know that Joumana has been offered a spot on The Best Damn Sports Show several times and she has turned it down because she does not like Tom Arnold. If she was camera happy why would she turn down the most aired sports show there is? Is she a good mother? Let's see.....if she left her kids with a five dollar an hour baby sitter or just sent them to day care all day, I would say no. There has been comments about the level she goes to for child care on this board and it seems to me that a very cautious Mom would only do that. I have heard nothing but wonderful stories about her parenting. I know that my friend (a producer that works with her on NBA TV) said she has to have the nanny distract the kids when she leaves for work because they all start crying if they see her leave. That is something that I personally do with my kids and I'm sure a lot of moms know what I'm talking about. This only happens when the kids are attached to their mother. Why can't someone pull up her Bio on the web and post how she is the national spokes person for North Shore Animal League adoption. She is on the board for the Children's Crisis Nursery in Arizona and actually still fund raises for them. She is the Vice pres. of The Jason Kidd Foundation and all their proceeds go to children's charities. The kids go to church with all three kids in Saddle River, Joumana even tries never to work on Sundays because that is their family day. When Jason has no games he spends all Sunday with them as well. They are just as normal a family as anyone else.

Also, if you are up early you can tune in to ESPN, Joumana is doing the weather on the new morning show; Cold Pizza is the name of the show. I hate to disappoint you anonymous but I do know what I'm talking about.

Posted by pink on November 9, 2003 2:33 PM

Oh ok, pink. Thanks for clarifying. Have you heard anything about their recent marital troubles?

Posted by Anonymous on November 9, 2003 8:10 PM

Just a rumor... Wondering if it's true.

Posted by Anonymous on November 9, 2003 8:11 PM

I agree with anonymous, that joumana would jump at the chance to get any type of publicity, whether it be T.V., radio or newspaper, so I don't think she made that donation completely out of the kindness of her heart, if she was so compassionate,there would be no need for newspapers,or she could have made her donation under anonymous ,and still took time out of her busy schedule for the young boy.

After all she is trying to jumpstart her career

Please tell us about this Donyell Marshall situation.

Posted by Anonymous on November 10, 2003 12:37 AM

Yeah, I wasn't talking about the times YES and ESPN and TNT and whoever else show her sitting in the arena during the game. I'm talking about the countless newspaper articles that she agrees to do, the appearances that she makes on Good Morning America and the Today Show about certain things that she is involved in (this past May, I remember her talking about the animal shelter thing that she is involved in on the Today Show with Katie Couric.). She agrees to do magazine articles, just tons of things. There is no doubt in my mind that if she donated money to a sick child and then was asked to have an article written about it, she would never turn it down. That's not a bad thing, it's just her personality.

Pink, Joumana may tell your producer friend a bunch of nonsense. I know the kids cry when JASON leaves the house because it has been on TV before and it has been mentioned. Joumana may just be saying that so it makes her seem like a mom who is close with her kids (which I really don't think she is... especially the twins).

and someone with enough guts, call that number that pink provided. haha

Are Joumana and Jason really having marriage trouble again?

Posted by Anonymous on November 10, 2003 1:04 AM

Well, anonymous you are pretty hard headed. I told you that my friend who is a close friend of hers told me these things about the kids crying when she leaves. Joumana did not tell her. She experiences it first hand when she is at her hose leaving with her. Joumana is Pizza Mom at TJ's school on Thursdays, that is not a bad Mom.

The paper knew it was Joumana making the inquiry about the sick kid because when it came time to write the check it was no secret she could not keep it anonymous at that point. She was on the Today Show because it is mandatory to make a number of appearances when you are a spokesperson for the NSAL. Man, you are a serious hater. It sounds personal. Like I said before I am a mother and I know the lowest thing a person can do is talk about my parenting skills. You are really being low when you spread rummers about Joumanas twins not knowing that she is their mother and not wanting to be with her. That is a bit much. I have seen her at the last two games with all three children hanging all over her with no nanny. If you are such a big fan....make it out to a game. Actually she is really nice and approachable. That is why she gets caught up being so nice to reporters and looking like she is trying to be seen. She is just simply down to earth and approachable, just like HER husband. Get over it. Try and get down to the floor and say hi. You may be a little disappointed because she is a genuine person. Now back to the being on TV thing. THAT IS HER JOB!!!! The girl is about to sign a huge deal with Sony television. Now Sony could give a rats ass about the NBA or Jason Kidd.

Now, I'm just wondering...why don't you even acknowledge the other things I wrote about such as the children's charities she is involved in?

I'm starting to think this must be Jason's baby mamma. I know she was pissed when MTV Diary came out because her son was not in it. Bottom line is that there are enough rotten people out there that we should acknowledge the good ones. It really bothers me when people take someone and creates a negative image of them for no reason. NO, they are not having marrige trouble.....looks like they are having some fan trouble!

Posted by pink on November 10, 2003 10:50 AM

Ok, pink... I am not the person who stated that the twins don't know who their mother is and that she doesn't spend any time with them and that Jason and Joumana have been in counseling this year for various problems. That statement came from someone who has/does work in the Kidd house as some sort of nanny. I think THAT person holds some type of grudge against the Kidds and I was just wondering what to believe. I know they are in close contact with the Kidds, but I can't tell if they are providing accurate info about what really goes on. I don't know the Kidds and I have never met them, but I just want to know what I should believe. I am a huge fan and I do attend games. Usually, only TJ is there with Joumana. And on the rare occasions that I have seen the twins there, there seems to be a nanny to help. (I don't blame her on that one... 3 small children at a basketball game that you are trying to watch yourself is extremely tough.) I was wondering why you choose to know so much about the Kidds? Are you a huge fan?

I am aware of Joumana's charity work. Anyone who looks up her NBA-TV bio can read it themselves. But I am sure they have their faults, like everyone else. I am not just going to refuse to believe negative things that I hear about them just because I want to believe they aren't true. I just want to know the truth about them. Thanks for your info, though. And I watched Joumana on the Cold Pizza show this morning. I don't think she did that bad of a job considering the stupid things that had her say and the fact that she isn't a weather man. It amazes me how she can motivate herself to get up at the crack of dawn for something like that.

Posted by Anonymous on November 10, 2003 5:00 PM

Do you think Joumana watches Jason play on TV when he's on the road? Or does she have "better things to do"?

Posted by Anonymous on November 10, 2003 5:01 PM

Actually I am a fan. I became a big fan of the kidds when my friend became so close with them. Hearing all the wonderful things has made me admire them a lot. I realize that you are aware of the positive things about them but my question to you is why are you so focussed on finding bad things to the point where you will believe what some disgruntled employee or crazed fan wants to make up. Who is this person posting the BS. Will they say who they are because I can tell you exactly if they know the Kidds or not? I also noticed going back that there is some stuff about an affair that Jason had. I cannot make a huge statement and say that it is impossible because we all know the Kobe thing shocked us, but I can say that I cannot picture it. Has anyone noticed the tattoo wedding ring that he just got on Joumanas birthday as a surprise for her. Now does that sound like they are having marriage problems. That sounds pretty permanent to me. I don't think any one on this board is telling the truth. I challenge anyone here to telling me their real relationship to the kid family.

I have two kids and I know it's tough taking them to games. Yes, Joumana was at the last two games with all three kids and NO nanny. Maybe now that the twins are older you will see them more. Can you imagine having twins plus a toddler, waking up at early hours to help build your career, be a supporting wife and deal with crappy fans. I take my hat off to her. To answer your question, yes that is early to wake up but doesn't it prove her dedication to building her career and becoming a TV personality? There are millions of prospering TV talents out there, why is she crucified because her husband is famous. Do you know how easy it would be for her to sit around shop and get her nails done every day. That girl is hustling out there at the red carpet events in New York in the freezing cold. My girlfriend said that Joumana will even go with her crew to get the B-roll. That is pure dedication to anyone who knows TV. Jason is so proud of her that he invited a lot of her TV producer friends, camera and sound guys that she works with over. He supposedly had T-shirts made that read "Team Joumana" My friend said it was the cutest thing. It was his way of saying that we all believe in you and know how hard you are working. He even had little pink ones made for the girls.

I do know that she watches the away games. Sometimes some of the wives and girlfriends get together at one of their homes, usually the Kidds (because it is like FAO Shwarts) and all watch the games together. My friend said on the nights where she has to work she constantly is on the phone keeping track of the score with Jason's Mom.

I'm sorry to disappoint but they are good people. Look for Joumana on the cover of the Bergen Magazine with a great family pictures inside. Also, Jason and Joumana hosting a Brand Jordan fashion show in the City this Thursday. Now....who knows the Kidds.....and homegirl can keep her tangerine panties hanging next to the Jason Kidd poster by her bed.

Posted by pink on November 10, 2003 10:21 PM

Thanks, pink. I'm not trying to find negative stuff about them... I am just trying to not be naive, you know? What Bergen Magazine? I am interesting in seeing that. And that thing on Jason's finger is a tattoo? I thought he was just having an allergic reaction to his wedding ring. haha Won't the tattoo look bad when he has his actual ring on? That is a sweet thing to do though. I would like to hope that they aren't having marriage trouble. And the person that said they were in counseling recently worked at the Kidd house, but I don't think she is posting here anymore. Maybe the Kidds caught her posting bad stuff about them.

Posted by Anonymous on November 10, 2003 11:23 PM

Yes I am talking about Donyell Marshall the one that played for Golden State!

Posted by JJ on November 11, 2003 2:43 AM

JJ, can you explain more? What does this have to do with Jason Kidd? Anything?

Posted by Anonymous on November 11, 2003 3:36 AM

Well pink obviously you have experienced good things with the Kidds. I'm sure what your saying is true, but again, it doesn't mean everything that is said that is negative is a lie. I have good friends that know Jason as well as you. A lot of the things I know are from the past, and I know for a fact their not a lie. So think what you want you have the right to your opinion, but your word and experiences with the Kidds aren't law.

Posted by mb on November 11, 2003 3:38 AM

Did Joumana date Donyell Marshall or something? I think mb would know.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 11, 2003 11:46 AM

No she didn't date Donyell from what I know. Why would she want to do that? hahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by mb on November 11, 2003 2:16 PM

Also even if it was Joumana, I don't think Donyell was married in 1995.

Posted by mb on November 11, 2003 2:19 PM

so who did Joumana date? what athletes?

Posted by Anonymous on November 11, 2003 5:08 PM

pink, you rock!

Posted by pink rocks on November 11, 2003 6:42 PM

I don't want to name any names of people Joumana or Jason dated. Only ones I have elaborated on are Alexandria and the other chick from San Francisco (amy) that he dated for a while. Personally I don't think that is cool to name names for both peoples sake, either you believe it or you don't. I wouldn't say all of the ones she was with were people she "dated", some she had just kicked it with. But hell alot of those NBA wives have got their kick it on b4 they were married.

Posted by mb on November 11, 2003 7:28 PM

Hahahahah Pink I applaud you, itís about damn time we all find out that what ~**~ or what ever his symbol is talks nothing but shit! And folks, you keep saying it was a her and she worked for the Kiddís and like I said and he (admitted being a man) actually admitted before, he never worked in the house he just knew ways of getting information. I kept checking in on his information and a lot of things didnít jive. Now how petty are we that we have to pick on Pink because she made a few spelling errors. Come on we all do it on a damn regular basis. Itís not like there is a spell checker on here.

Let me just say that the number she gave is true and genuine because I had the guts to call! So that proves that story true.
Second, yes they do go to church because Iíve seen them there too myself, story # 2 proven.
I know that in the past MB you and I havenít gotten along and we have differences in opinion, especially when it comes to Jason and Joumana. But we came to peace with our differences and I thank god that Pink came on this site. Because now you can ask her all the stuff you all asked me and wouldnít believe me when I told you all the truth!
And JJ, this Donyell Marshall you are talking about, are you trying to say that Joumana was having an affair with him? Cause her and Jason werenít married until 1997 so itís not cheating if you arenít married.
Although I know she didnít go anywhere with him. Donyell isnít married heís has a fiancťe Leea, they live in Chicago and have 5 children all together. I donít think Joumana would go anywhere near Donyell.

Anyway, like I said before welcome PinkÖ itís our pleasure to have you on board!!! Finally someone who know the what the heck sheís talking about!

** And before anyone starts saying I know Pink or that we are the same person, I have never spoken to her before in my life or am I her so don't go accusing me like you always do when someone else comes on here and sticks up for the Kidd's besides me! **

Posted by Karina on November 12, 2003 11:05 AM


Posted by Anonymous on November 12, 2003 2:52 PM

.ummmm ! Where's *~~* ?

Posted by Anonymous on November 12, 2003 2:52 PM

Karina, Pink, Anonymous, I would like to know this one
thing can either one of you call up Jason or Joumana and invite them over for dinner,or could either one of you go over to their house for a visit,can either one of you call them up on their cell phone just for casual conversation, could they invite you over for dinner at their house, if you could say yes to any of these questions then I won't go on with my next post.

Posted by D.D. on November 12, 2003 5:19 PM

*~~*, has disappeared. And Karina, believe what you want, but that person has worked in the Kidd house and she is a she. She mentioned a few things that are only known by people who have worked in that house. I'm guessing she doesn't like how she was treated there or something and now holds a grudge. Karina, you've lied before, so obviously people aren't going to believe everything you say. What church do you go to that they go to as well?

And pink, do you know where that fashion show is tomorrow?

Posted by Anonymous on November 12, 2003 6:01 PM

I live down their street, so I could go visit their house.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 12, 2003 6:04 PM

Yes Karina we did resolve our differences, and I don't post what I know to gain approval by anyone, either you believe it or you don't. I just don't appreciate pink saying that negative things that are said aren't true. Some aren't and some are. Some things you, pink, or anyone else say I still might not believe. I don't have to research or ask a person I don't know for a second opinion, because what you know on the east coast I don't know. I have only gone by what I know or have witnessed here, and that is a long time ago. I have my view on what I think personally of both of them, be them negative or not, just because that is my personal view or opinion. I respect everyone's opinion as that is all I ask in return. If I really don't believe something, I might ask someone to elaborate, but thats the extent of it. As far as calling around, or calling jobs or what not, thats taking it a little far. Some things I believe pink and karina say, some I don't. Pinks opinion will be respected if she does the same in return.
I have said before, unless you are close family or friends of the Kidds, everything is face value.
And Karina thank you for verifying that Donyell isn't married. I thought he was by now, but I knew he wasn't in 1995 when the alleged encounter was. I also doubt Joumana kicked it with him though. I have seen some men she dated and kicked it with, and even though I might make some people mad by saying this, they all were much nicer looking than Donyell.

I know looks aren't everything, but again, I'm going by my personal opinion and what I have seen in the past.

Smooches!!! :-)

Posted by mb on November 12, 2003 8:10 PM

The reason why I asked these questions is because you are the ones that are so quick to put Jason and joumana on that pedestal(especially Karina and Pink), my point is that none of us really know them, so we really can't say what they will or won't do,we don't know what these people are like behind closed doors.Just because we see this perfect image of them on t.v. or in the newspaper doesn't mean that is how they really are, their could be two other faces behind those closed doors.

Don't get me wrong I am the biggest Jason Kidd Fan, but I won't sit here and say what he will and won't do,we didn't think he was capable of spousal abuse, but he was, we didn't think he was capable of assaulting one of his fans, but he did ,so they are in no way perfect angels, don't be so quick to defend them all the time.

Anonymous, can you visit them,not their house.

Posted by D.D. on November 12, 2003 9:41 PM

How many people post under anonymous?

Posted by D.D. on November 12, 2003 9:43 PM

Can you post pictures?

Posted by Laura on November 12, 2003 9:45 PM

I guess, not, but I was going to post a pic of Donyell, but yeah, it's not showing up.

I appreciate everyone's opinion, just as long as they're telling the truth. Some people have salty attitudes, adn that makes things annoying/difficult. I don't know, this is just the internet, no need to point fingers, and accuse, and second guess, and be bitchy.

Posted by Laura on November 12, 2003 9:48 PM

A few people post under anonymous. It gets confusing. But I am the REAL anonymous. haha. Yeah, I could go to the Kidd house to see them and say, "Hey I live down the street," but that would be weird obviously. I do here/see things, though, being so close. Nothing earth-shattering. I have no good gossip. Sorry :)

Posted by the real anonymous on November 13, 2003 2:36 AM

where has pink gone?

Posted by the real anonymous on November 13, 2003 2:37 AM

D.D., well said, my thoughts exactly.

Posted by mb on November 13, 2003 4:59 AM

Okay if you don't write your name in the box above it comes out anonymous. But anyway you are correct MB and I respect what you always have to say. We are all entitled to our own opinions. Yes it's true that what goes on behind closed doors and not witnessed can be at times worse than others think or not so bad Point being there is really no way to find out if they are indeed Angels. I never said they were angels and had no faults. Hell I was shocked back in the days when the whole abuse thing happened. But what I have said repeatedly is that people can change and just because they did something horrible in the past, doesnít mean they are evil and will do it again. We canít accuse the person over and over again people then itís like pushing them to do something they are trying so hard not anymore.

As far as the questions asked by DD, yes I have gone over to their home but it was for work. And it wasnít on a personal level. I can go back and call them on the phone but they know me as someone who has done an interview for Latino magazine and not who I really am. So to answer your question, no Iím not on a best friend basis with them. As far as me giving the name of the Church, thereís no way I will do that because then everyone will show up and the house of the lord isnít exactly a place to be disturbed by a bunch of crazed fans. Just like the time I told a few people his home address and then they all showed up and the police had to barricade his house. No thanks! I wonít do that again. Iím like the other person who said I could walk up to his house ring the bell and it would be kind of odd. I donít live down the street but I do live 3 towns over. Itís about 5 to 10 minuets by car.

As far as *~~* being a she. He said it herself. I never worked in the house and Iím not a female.
See below the clips:

"I'm assuming you are employed by the Kidds."
for personal reasons, privacy, and protection- i can't say that i have or haven't worked at/with the kidds. there could be other ways to find all of this out.
Posted by *~~* on September 20, 2003 9:45 AM

and i never said i worked for them.
Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:03 PM

i don't work for them! i never did! for the third time: there are other ways to find all this out
i'm sorry to admit this, but i have no relation with them. i never did. i WAS a jason kidd fan.. and i wish i could have lived with them or know jason personally, but that will always remain a wish.
Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:39 PM

thank you real anonymous. at least SOMEONE is on my side.
i do have some info.. and i don't blame people for thinking i have some kind of connection. but i swear i only post what i've heard and read.
did i ever say i was a 'she'?
Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:50 PM

i'm actually a guy. sorry if the " *~~* " fooled you. i just picked some stuff so i could stay as anonymous as i could.
Posted by *~~* on September 23, 2003 5:56 PM

So you see people you keep saying itís a she and he admitted that he was a man. And after Donnie found him out he disappeared. I wonder why that is?

Posted by Karina on November 13, 2003 11:43 AM

and I meant to say He admitted himself! see we all make spelling mistakes.

Wonder where Pink is? hmmmmmmmmm Wonder where *~~* is? And wonder how anonymous knew something happened to *~~* since he or she was the first to ask "are you okay" back in mid October!

Posted by Karina on November 13, 2003 11:52 AM

Karina, if you want to be gullible and believe everything you read, then fine. Just like you lie at times, so do others. *~~* could say all she wants that she is a guy who has never worked there before, but she is a girl and she has definitely worked in that house before. She knew some stuff that is only known among people who have worked/work in that house. And I think with Donny Marshall, who is Kidd's good friend, coming here (or at least I think it was him. I'm pretty sure it was him) and saying how the Kidds laugh over the things said here, I think it scared *~~* away. She doesn't wanna get caught bad-mouthing the Kidds. I wish she would post here though, since she knows more than almost everyone.

Posted by Anonymous on November 13, 2003 2:21 PM

Hi there, first to answer DD's question.....yes, I could invite them over for dinner. I have met them several times through my friend who works closely with Joumana. For anonymous.....the fashion show is for brand Jordan and it is tonight at Cielo West 12th street to be exact. In New York. I believe that Joumana is hosting the event. If anyone wants to call and confirm this the number is 888-784-4777.

I am not saying that they are angels or that they are perfect. I am just saying that nothing negative about them that I have read here is true. I think where the posts on this board lost their credibility is when they started attacking Joumana as a parent. Honestly, from what I know she is a great mom. So they really blew it when they took it there. Then to jump on the racist Bob Ryan wagon and say she just wants to be in the spotlight and on camera. That shows some signs of being a hatter because why can't she pursue her career and be a TV personality. I think it's great that a women who does not have to go to work and could enjoy her husbands money chooses to work hard and contribute.

Posted by pink on November 13, 2003 2:31 PM

thanks, pink. you continue to rock. I agree with everything you said.

Posted by pink rocks on November 13, 2003 5:37 PM

One thing I am dying to know is where the Kidds went for their Honeymoon.

Posted by Anonymous on November 13, 2003 8:02 PM

Karina, nobody is trying to make you out to be the bad girl here,so no need to get people on your side
all I'm saying is look past the pretty faces and don't be so quick to defend all the time. as for you I don't know you,I've only read what you have posted here,you seem like a nice person!

Anonymous,I really don't believe that was the real Donyell Marshall, also do you think Jason Kidd would take time out to read all this stuff?

Posted by D.D. on November 13, 2003 10:35 PM

Well I think it was Donny Marshall... not Donyell, but Donny. I wouldn't be that surprised if it was him. He knew Joumana's nickname that very few know. Basketball players are real people too. They play basketball for 2 1/2 hours usually every other day. The other days, they may have a 2 hour practice and/or meeting in the morning. What do you think they do with the rest of their time? Sure, they have their kids and their wives, but what do they do on those long boring road trips? Believe me, they have time to do whatever they want. They have plenty more time than normal people with 9-5 jobs. It's not like they have no time to surf the internet.

Posted by Anonymous on November 13, 2003 10:47 PM

Where in N Bergen do the Kidds live? Is it true that Jason's dad built the house for them?

Posted by justcurious on November 14, 2003 1:45 AM

Um, justcurious, Jason's dad passed away in 1999, so there is no way he built their NJ house for them. They didn't have a house built, they just picked one. They live in Saddle River.

Posted by Anonymous on November 14, 2003 2:35 AM

I'm not saying everyoneís out to get me guys don't get me all wrong! I just said what I've said because I have been attacked on this board many times. Including the owner of the board, who accused me of trolling without looking good to see that I post on a million boards everyday. Okay well not everyday but almost! So you see I usually research what I'm talking about before I go and open my mouth. Like I told you all before that is part of my job. I know I don't have to prove myself and that you can believe me or not, but when I see such negative things being said, especially about someone my own son looks up to then it bothers me. Maybe it shouldn't bother me but it does! And as far as *~~* being a female, what ever she or he is the point is why hide if you are so sure of what you say all the time. And yes it was Donny Marshall. See what a couple of calls to the Nets clubhouse does!

Posted by Karina on November 14, 2003 9:53 AM

I thought it was rumor about the house. Thanks for answering :-) I figured they lived in either Saddle River or Closter. As far as their practice at Seton Hall University, do you have any idea if it's like open practice where I can bring my kids to watch?

Posted by justcurious on November 14, 2003 12:37 PM

Actually, K-Mart is the one who lives in Closter. If you go on the website of the NJ Net's and it tells you when you can bring your kids to open practices. Otherwise, if you go they won't let you in. But if you wait for them outside you can catch some of the Nets on their way out and they are all so nice. They'll sign autographs and even pose for pictures with your kids. I never had a problem getting pictures and autographs from them.

Posted by Karina on November 14, 2003 4:59 PM

Including the owner of the board, who accused me of trolling

Karina, I don't appreciate that. I in no way identified you in particular as a troll. And I will make no apology for informing those visitors who were pointed to this site that someone was directing them here with less than completely open and honest intentions.

Posted by Matt on November 14, 2003 6:16 PM

Yeah karina, I'm sorry but you were wrong for accusing Matt. He never said "Karina is trolling". All he did is the same as you, investigate something and state the truth. Also you told people not to call your job and such to investigate if you are telling the truth (which I don't think is right), but then you call hotels and the nets clubhouse to check on other peoples info. How do you know you aren't getting those people in trouble? Thats going a little far. I know you have to do a lot for your job, but it seems like your doing a little too much.

Posted by mb on November 14, 2003 9:46 PM

mb, are you also confused about what Karina actually does? She said she worked for a Spanish television station. Now recently she says she works for a Spanish magazine. I could care less what Karina does, but it just seems to me that she is lying. If she is a reporter for a television station who can go to the Kidd house to interview them and has spoken to them several times, yet she now explains that she has never had a problem getting the Nets players' autographs and pictures with them. Now why in the world would a television reporter have anything less than an easy time getting pictures with the players, better yet, why would a television reporter WANT the players' autographs? And the fact that she has said that she would be Kidd's sex slave (and even worse, denied even saying that), she just seems like an obsessed Kidd fan to me that really doesn't have the inside connections to Kidd (through work) like she says she does. I would really take her comments with a grain of salt. Don't let her fool you.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 15, 2003 12:03 AM

Pardon my grammar. I rushed that post without proofreading it.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 15, 2003 12:04 AM

To real anonymous, I didn't catch the magazine, station portion, however, I do remember the sex slave part. I was the one who brought that back up in the first place. Karina has never addressed that after we verified she was the one who posted it.
I don't know what is going on with that.
I will say this. She said she was getting the autographs for her son though. In her defene U will clear that up at least.

Posted by Anonymous on November 15, 2003 8:06 AM

that last post was mine

Posted by mb on November 15, 2003 8:06 AM

I meant to say in her defense I will clear that up at least.

Posted by mb on November 15, 2003 8:08 AM

you guys are funny!

Posted by mimi on November 15, 2003 10:38 AM

Hey! I'm still waiting for this employee of the Kidds to post. ~**~ or whatever your tag was. Seems like ever since the posts got credible (by me) you disappeared.??

Jason and Joumana actually did not have a honey moon because they were married in the middle of the season. They have went on many great trips together since that they consider a honeymoon anyway.

Also, FYI....... Joumana has no such nick name "JOJO" I think that person was pulling someone's leg. Some friends call her J, but when her and Jason are together they usually call her Joumana or just Jo. My friend said that Joumana had to work in the city with Nick Lachey yesterday before the game so you can probably catch her on Extra. If they don't air it today then they will air it on Monday.

Posted by Pink on November 15, 2003 3:18 PM

Hey Pink, it's awesome how much you know. I'm curious about how you go about obtaining your information... Do you call up your friend everyday and ask her these questions? And then does she go to work and ask Joumana? I'm just wondering.

And I remember Jason mentioning in 1997 that the Phoenix Suns had various nicknames for Joumana, and one was JoJo. That's where it came from.

And is that thing on Jason's finger really a tattoo? How do you know that?

Posted by Anonymous on November 16, 2003 12:39 AM

"Seems like ever since the posts got credible (by me) you disappeared.??"

Don't give yourself that much credit. (S)he hasn't posted since October. Why would that person's "disappearance" be because of you when they were gone before you arrived?

Posted by Nobody on November 17, 2003 10:37 AM

That person left because of Donny Marshall appearing here. (Or at least there was a possibility that he was here.) I'm guessing that's what scared the person away.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 17, 2003 5:10 PM

Hey Guys, i haven't beeen really posting because i've been busy with school,work, and preparing for my family to come down from texas for thanksgiving. But i haven't forgot about y'all, just give me a little time and i'll be back on track. Holla Back

Posted by mimi on November 17, 2003 9:50 PM

Okay to answer your questions.. Why donít you people remember what I said from the beginning? I do not work for a magazine and Iím not a reporter. I told you all this already. I am a journalist. I work for a Spanish TV station. I do the writing for some talk shows and I write article and interviews. I never said I am on TV and I am a reporter. And I didnít say I work for Latino magazine. I said I wrote a story that was published there. God sometimes I feel like Iím talking to a bunch of little kids. As for the whole stupid sex slave thing, Iíve said it a thousand times. I post from public computers. Sometimes I start a post and walk away to do something and when I come back the computer is on something else or itís exactly how I left it. I already told you I didnít write that because although I am a huge Jason Kidd fan I am married and that whole statement sounds a little too childish for me. And why would I want autographs you ask. Well, I do have a son who is almost 13 and idolizes Jason. I told you all this before too. And his room is filled with signed posters and pictures. He likes the game, he plays the game and he looks up to most of the players as an inspiration for his future. To tell you the truth I was never a Jason Kidd fan until I met him in person. Saw how great he is with kids and how nice and sincere he was when I interviewed him and then I watched him play. My son was always a fan I became one after getting to know a little bit about him. Thatís how en I became a fan. I never denied being a huge fan! Is there something wrong with being a fan of someone who you meet? Why is it that everything I say always gets taken out of context and scrutinized so much! It seems everything I say always gets questioned. Whatís wrong with you all? As for Matt, I wasnít trying to blame you for anything, I just simply used you as an example of what people do to me every time I write something in this board.
Matt this is what you wrote, I donít know about you but it sure did sound like you were calling me a troll.

-- anyone who wishes to know, "Keg91" or "KVas91", who apparently signed up on those sites just to post a link here, is doing what's often called "trolling" -- trying to get people worked up over something just for the sake of getting people worked up.
(Perhaps not coincidentally, someone using "Keg91" in an email address used to participate here, but chose to stop.)
Anyone is welcome here, though I do ask that you keep it civil. And, as they say, please don't feed the troll.
Posted by Matt on October 2, 2003 7:41 PM

Now if you werenít calling me a troll directly it sure sounded like you were when I was reading the post. I donít want to keep going on and on about the same thing. I thought we had it cleared up.

Posted by Anonymous on November 18, 2003 2:22 PM

Oops that last post was by me. I forgot to put my name.

Posted by Karina on November 18, 2003 2:23 PM

Karina, what I said just now was that I didn't identify you as a troll. That is, I didn't go and say, "That person, Karina, is a troll." What I did say is, There's some person on these other websites doing this particular thing in all these places. I stated the facts as I saw them. It turns out the person doing that was you, but it's not me that pointed that out, and there's absolutely no way you can say I was attacking you personally, as you did when you said, "I have been attacked on this board many times. Including the owner of the board."

Posted by Matt on November 18, 2003 4:56 PM

I'm confused. Karina, did you used to post under those names or something? Because unless you did I wouldn't have known he was talking about you. If you were, why did you change your user name?
Also, I don't know why you were clearing things up again. The people that have been posting here for a while know all that, and the new ones don't. So I don't understand why you said you felt like you were talking to a bunch of little kids. Maybe I missed something but, I don't see what made you explain yourself again.
As far as the posting that I brought back up in the first place when you and I were going at it, it was confirmed that it was from your e-mail address, and when you were called out on it you never did respond when it was confirmed. You dropped off for a while. Then up until now you still wouldn't respond when anyone said something about it. Now all of a sudden you are saying that it must have been somebody using your computer when you walked away. I don't know about you, but when I walk away from a computer, I lock it. Also I don't understand, is somebody at your job reading everything? So your saying, they knew that you were on this website and sat and waited until you walked away, posted something derogatory, then went back to their station (without nobody noticing and telling you) and kept doing it over and over for a minute? C'mon now Karina, it doesn't make sense, you were better off leaving that one alone. I can see why they were giving you a hard time about that.

Posted by mb on November 18, 2003 11:22 PM

Well, Ms. be honest with you, I told my friend the truth. I told her about this board and how full of fiction it was. I said, help me get the truth out. It seems that negative people are the only ones who take time out to post usually. Sort of like when a customer receives bad service they go spend all this time complaining to the manager, but when a customer receives great service they usually don't spend the same effort making compliments. The Kidd family has been exceptionally good to us, by giving my family game tickets. Joumana giving my kids autographed stuff from Jason etc.... I guess it's my way of giving back to them without them even knowing.

I asked my friend to help me share things that were REALLY happening because then for once you would actually be speaking to someone who really knows them. Now there are some people on this board who actually even post nice things and are still fabricating. Jason or Joumana have never talked to any Spanish magazines, nor has their house been barricaded by the police from to many people going there. It's funny to sit back and watch people live in a fantasy land. I don't think that my friend ever told Joumana about this board. For one she would probably just laugh. Second, it can sort of freak you out that fans are so fanatic.

About the ring...I saw it. I actually saw it when he first got it in September and it was still scabbed up. It actually raps around his wedding finger reading JOUMANA. No cigar, Joumana does not go by "Jo-Jo" never did, never will. Coach Ainge used to call her Jumanji. Go to if you want to see the shots from the Nike showcase I told you about, just punch in either one of their names. Nobody, are you *~*? It seems my last post really upset you.

Posted by Pink on November 19, 2003 12:51 AM

Pink, I have a copy of the magazine if you want me to mail to you, I would be happy to do it. I didn't write it in spanish it was translated since I am tri-lingual. It's in english and the interview was done in English. I don't have time to answer everything else just yet. I'll be back in 5 minuets and I'll answer you MB and Matt.

Posted by Karina on November 19, 2003 9:48 AM

Okay, Iím back. Letís see where do I begin, okay Iím going to do this as fast as possible because I have to get back to work so if there are spelling or grammer errors in this please donít bug me on it. I am going to try to type as much as I can in 5 minuets that I have to spare. If thereís something I forget to address, donít think itís because Iím avoiding a question or something. I just canít get to everything right now.

MB, I wasn't saying you keep asking me the same question. I was talking to real anonymous who keeps asking the same things over and over. I explained only because he keeps saying I don't explain myself or that I was avoiding his questions. I don't post only from work. I post from public libraries, coffee shops, my job, my house, and hotel rooms. How are you suppose to lock up a computer in a coffee shop (Net cafť) or a library if they are public property? I have since fixed my laptop so I donít have to use public computers anymore. And I never changed my username here because itís not a user name itís my real name. I think what Matt was taking about was my user names in the other sites. I have admitted that before, yes I do go to a lot of other websites and message boards. I always use the same user name though. KEG91 because I told you all the lets are my initials. And I didnít disappear, I was on vacation. Summer time is usually the only time I get to go places since my son is still in school.

Matt, I said it before, I read it as an attack and if you didnít mean it to be an attack then Iím sorry but thatís the way I read it! And if you werenít attacking me then why would you apologize?

Remember this:

Karina, you are right -- I didn't notice your posting history on FTR -- and I apologize. And I promise not to delete your last two comments; if you let this be, I won't even prevent you from continuing to comment here.
But, please, just let this be. My intention wasn't to antagonize you, I just don't want people coming here just to get into unnecessary arguments.
Posted by Matt on October 3, 2003 3:47 PM

I donít want to go into it with you again Matt so lets leave it at that. Case closed.

Pink, Iím confused now, do you know Donny Marshall? Cause it was someone who never came out and said it was him but never denied it that said that Joumana had a nickname. And heís the one who told us about things no one else knew and only a person who knows the Kidds could know. If you know him maybe you can get him to come back and tell us more. Most of my connections are in the NBA office in Secaucus and the Nets organization not the players themselves. Pink, can you give us an example of what has been fabricated and what hasnít? Can you tell us if what *~~* said in a short time that he or she was here was true? Or if VG was saying the truth about all the stuff she said? And last what is your finding about what Jason did during that alleged affair that took place in Chicago? And last, is your name Pink?

Posted by Karina on November 19, 2003 10:07 AM

Give me a break, Karina -- I apologized for miscategorizing your participation on FTR. I in no way apologize for calling out what you did on all those other sites as a whole. Why should I? That it turned out to have been you isn't my problem. (The thread has been removed since then, but on FTR you even agreed with someone who wished someone would hack my site -- which is basically the equivalent of wishing someone would go and trash my home. Remember? So I guess I disagree with your interpretation of who attacked who, here.)

But I'm happy to say case closed, sure -- I think the facts speak perfectly well for themselves. Just quit trying to spin them, OK? As I said, let it be -- and don't go on about how I supposedly attacked you.

Posted by Matt on November 19, 2003 2:09 PM

Karina, you continue to make me laugh. I don't know how anyone can take you seriously. Those posts had YOUR email address! You have to type that in yourself! If you leave a public computer and someone else goes to type in a message (the odds of the next person to use the computer going to this Kidd website are slim enough), your email address is not just sitting there in the box waiting to be posted!! Are you trying to say that someone went up to your public computer, went to this exact site, posted tons of comments about how much they love Kidd and worship him, typed in YOUR exact email address, and posted?! Please, Karina. You're not fooling anyone. You lied and need to handle it like a mature adult instead of making up bogus stories that make no sense. Ever since you started trying to "prove" that negative info about Kidd was false, you've gone from "I love Jason. I worship him! and blah blah" to "I am a reporter with inside access to the Nets and the Kidds." Geez.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 19, 2003 5:13 PM

Karina has no magazine, Pink. She's a joke. She keeps claiming she works for a television station, yet she has articles appearing in a magazine.


Pink, do you know if Joumana drives TJ to and from school or if a nanny does it?

Posted by pink rocks on November 19, 2003 5:20 PM

RealANonymous you obviously don't read correctly.

Don't you have the little box in the bottom that says remember infor? I do and I clicked on it but I don't care if you believe me or not... You have no idea who I am and I'd like to keep it that way...

Moving on:

Latest news on the Nets..

Music rap performer Jay-Z has retained the New York City investment banking firm of Andrew, Alexander,Wise and Co. to explore the possibility of making a bid to purchase the New Jersey Nets, sources told ESPN.

The YankeeNets holding company, which runs the franchise, put it up for auction in September and is now receiving bids.

A spokesman for Jay-Z declined comment to ESPN.

The Newark Star Ledger reported last week that New York developer Bruce Ratner had emerged as the high bidder for the Nets with an offer of $275 million.

Wouldn't it be cool if Jay-Z did in deed buy the Nets!

Posted by Karina on November 20, 2003 11:07 AM

Link to the magazine Karina is talking about!

Posted by Jose on November 20, 2003 12:23 PM

"Nobody, are you *~*? It seems my last post really upset you."

No, that isn't me. Since you seemed to imply that the person's disappearance came about because of your posts, I'm just pointing out to you that it isn't the case.

Posted by Nobody on November 20, 2003 12:54 PM

Thanks Jose but you didn't have to do that.. I don't care if no one believes me....

Posted by Karina on November 20, 2003 2:28 PM

Karina, I must admit that I did not pay attention to that feature. Regardless of that, even if you did click remember info, the next person to use your computer (even if you left the site open) would never post a message about worshipping Kidd under your email. You don't get it. ALL of your posts, not just one, used to be about worshipping Kidd, etc. Then all of a sudden, when you started getting upset over negative comments about Kidd, you turned into this sophisticated adult who has interviewed Jason before. Please, Karina. You are obviously lying. But whatever, let's move on. Just don't get upset when people prove you to be a liar.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 20, 2003 5:59 PM

Jose, that does not prove anything. ANYONE could have taken that picture and written the article that supposedly appears in that magazine. I can't even tell if that is a real picture of a magazine cover or just Karina messing around with Adobe Photoshop. There seems to only be half a title on it, unless I am not looking at it right. In fact, I've seen that picture before, and it was not on a Spanish magazine. Pink says that Kidd never spoke with Spanish tv/magazine people (still clueless about what Karina even does... I mean she works for a TV station yet claims that her articles get published in magazines) and Pink has much more of a clue. Karina, how about the fact that police never surrounded Kidd's house? Explain where you got that one from. Oh yeah, you made it up.

I know you're a fan of Kidd and trying to stick up for him, but don't go overboard and make things up.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 20, 2003 6:07 PM

Karina's made up plenty of stuff... like Joumana going on a road trip to Atlanta last year and Karina getting pictures and an interview with her or something like that. The stories never stop. Take everything she says with a grain of salt.

Posted by j on November 20, 2003 6:10 PM

The link to that magazine was for an online store, I mean Karina or Jose, if you work for the magazine can we have the official website with links to your articles?

Jason hasn't done spanish interviews, but he has been interviewed on Telemundo after games. Telemundo owns the right to some NBA games, and like any NBA game, someone gets pulled aside for an on air interview. But I've only seen men doing this, and for the record I've only heard Jason say "Gracias".

Posted by Laura on November 20, 2003 7:55 PM

Laura, do you know the Kidds personally or know someone who does?

Posted by the real anonymous on November 20, 2003 8:39 PM

I don't know the Kidd's personally, these are my own personal experiences/opinions. But I have met Jason before :)

Posted by Laura on November 20, 2003 9:59 PM

Okay whatever! I'm a liar if that makes you happy.
But one thing is clear. I didn't say I interviewed Joumana in Atlanta. I said she had an interview for the Reading program that her and Jason belong to and I have pictures of it. That's what I said. The bad thing is you can't post pictures in here. And that link that Jose posted. I didn't make that picture up. I'm not that good with Adobe. It's from NBA magazine in spanish from 2002 February. Like I said the article is translated. And Laura, I know that the reporters for sports on Telemundo are men. I keep telling you all I'm not a reporter. You all just assumed that I was because I said I work for a spanish television station. Just like you all assumed I said I work for a latino magazine when I said I do interview transcripts for them. There's a big difference in doing the interviews and writing up the transcript versus going on television and reporting the transcript on live or taped TV. I sound like a broken record saying the same thing over and over again so thatís it Iím not going to say anything more! And by the way, I never denied worshiping Jason. I have said it so many times alreadyÖ. I am a big fan and I think heís the most talented Point guard ever!

Posted by Karina on November 21, 2003 9:28 AM

Oh please Karina, you don't have any pictures because I know someone who tried to get them from you though email and you had nothing. But, hey, at least you admitted you lie. But you continue to avoid things. What about the barricading of Kidd's house, huh? Why do you make things like that up? And that magazine cover is fake. That picture was on Hoop magazine. You can see it here, even though I'm guessing you've been to this site to get this picture in the first place.

Notice who wrote that article... Henry Abbott, not Karina. hahaha

You or your parter in crime, Jose, just created some fake magazine cover that is blurred and has half a title. Keep doing things like that, it's funny. I am cracking up here. The website isn't even for a magazine, it's for some store.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 21, 2003 12:19 PM

Actually, not is Karina's defense, but in defense of the spanish magazine, I think it may be the spanish version of Hoops because on the website it shows more magazine covers and all of them look poorly done in Adobe Photoshop.

However Karina, you said you are not a reporter, but you've said several times before you've interviewed Kidd. If that's not a reporter, than what is? Journalist, reporter, whatever. You have to keep repeating yourself because it's confusing when you post something, someone asks you a question, and then the story changes and it was a misunderstanding

Posted by Laura on November 21, 2003 6:55 PM

Ok, even if Karina didn't create that picture herself, that article about Kidd was still written by Henry Abbott, NOT Karina!! But when Jose posted it here, Karina thanked him as if she was taking credit for the Kidd article! She just won't quit lying! She is such a joke. I wonder if her son knows how big of a liar she is. Oh wait, maybe she is lying about even having a son. Who knows with her. She is seriously a compulsive liar.

Yeah, Karina. You work for a television station, yet your articles appear in magazines. Right. You say you write articles, yet you work for television. Tell me, what is the purpose of writing articles for television?? You make no sense. You say you've interviewed Kidd plenty of times before, yet you have nothing to back that up and then claim that your connections are through the Nets organization and not the players themselves. And I will never, ever forget when you told all of us that TJ has had an operation for a medical condition. That is lower than low. You just don't spread awful, made up rumors like that about a child's health. Stop giving us false info about Kidd. You are misleading people and making a fool of yourself.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 21, 2003 9:13 PM

yeah Karina you do kinda lie a lil' bit. You did say you were a reporter. Remember when you said you called that hotel to verify that Jason was there with Joumana the whole time when people were trying to find out about that Mateen Cleeves stuff? You said it was easy for you to get the info from the desk clerk because you used your status and credentials as a reporter in order for her to give you the info. Then another time you dissappeared for a minute and when you came back you said you had to go to Florida for a minute due to a famous Latino artist who died (I take it it was Celia Cruz), you had to cover the story. So sorry girl but you have said you are a reporter.
Also now you say you never said you didn't worship Jason. Um excuse me but you did, you were highly upset because you were called out on the whole user id thing (and I would remember because you and I, along with other people were going at it behind that), and you adamantly denied worshipping Jason or saying you wanted to be his sex slave. Then you went on and on about how you were married, yaddah, yaddah, yah...
You really need to stop trying to lie about stuff, it's ok. Your defaming your own character here now. Just move on. I can't believe anything you say now.

Posted by mb on November 21, 2003 9:50 PM

"By the way, Jason if you ever want a sex slave you can count on me! Not only do I have no limits but I'm also extremely Kinky! I love you Jason Kid.................." This was posted by you Karina.
Also if your posting from a public computer, why would you type in your e mail address? Why wouldn't you just post your name?
"I was in Miami covering the story of one of the greatest musical talents of Latin decent who pasted away on Thursday. I left Friday and just got back this morning." This was from your post in july, after Celia Cruz died. I mean when you say you were covering the story it makes me think you are a reporter. I don't know.

Posted by mb on November 22, 2003 2:31 AM

Celia Cruz didn't even die on a Thursday, she died Wednesday July 16, 2003.

Posted by Laura on November 22, 2003 11:35 AM

I know, and when I ?'s Karina about what musical talent it was she wouldn't answer the ?. So since Celia was the only greatest Latin performer that died around that time, I assumed she was talking about her. So if she was talking about her, that makes it even worse that she works for a Latin newspaper, or whatever and doesn't even know the date of passing of one of the greatest Latin artist that ever lived. I'm not even Latin and I know that much.

Posted by mb on November 22, 2003 7:18 PM

Also her funeral was in New York so maybe she wasn't talking about Celia, but I don't know of any great Latin artist that died around that time.

Posted by mb on November 22, 2003 7:22 PM

You guys just won't let Karina off the hook will you?

Posted by mimi on November 22, 2003 7:35 PM

I'm not letting her off the hook because I came here for some Jason Kidd news. There are NO other websites that are worthy. I don't need lies and made up bullshit made up about my favorite basketball player.

Posted by Laura on November 22, 2003 11:27 PM

Real Anonymous,you said Karina lied about the police surrounding Jason's house,what was the supposed story behind this?

Karina,Karina, Karina.......... that is all that I can say

Posted by D.D. on November 22, 2003 11:47 PM

D.D., I don't even know. Karina said something about the police having to barracade Jason's house because too many people had found out his address and were stalking him. haha, yeah right. This street is so quiet, there's no way that people were stalking his house. What a joke. Karina's a compulsive liar who should seek professional help.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 23, 2003 2:54 AM

"By the way.... Jose, where on earth are you? Did you see how many security guards and police were out in front of J Kidd's house yesterday?

Hope you didn't get caught by one of them... Write me back.

Posted by karina on July 11, 2003 9:58 AM"

The subject was never discussed after that. How many people think Jose=Karina?

Posted by Laura on November 23, 2003 8:00 PM

Laura, yeah I thought that Karina might be Jose as well. Jose sticks up for EVERYTHING Karina says, even when it's lies like that Spanish magazine. Karina did not write that article, obviously. Henry Abbott did and Jose posted the magazine here as if it was Karina's work. And the saddest thing ever is that Karina took credit for the work. Notice how Karina hasn't been around in a couple days? haha. She'll show her face again in a couple weeks and hope by then that we forgot about her lies.

Where's pink? One of the credible posters here. (Although I still don't believe that Jason visited sick children for the Make a Wish Foundation, unless he did it without the Nets knowing.)

Posted by the real anonymous on November 23, 2003 10:40 PM

I thought karina had said a while ago she was going to stop posting here because we didn't believe her and all that. What made her come back?

Posted by mb on November 23, 2003 10:55 PM

Jason actually has done work with the Make a Wish Foundation

Posted by Laura on November 23, 2003 11:46 PM


Posted by Laura on November 23, 2003 11:48 PM

wow, thanks, Laura. My bad, I was totally unaware of that. Sorry pink.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 24, 2003 9:21 AM

First of all, I never said I was going to interview anyone in Miami, I said I was going to cover a storyÖ. Thereís a big difference between covering and interviewing. Also, although Celia Cruz was one of the most famous Latin performers who past away during the week of July 19th I never said her now did I. She pasted away on Wednesday July 16th in the afternoon. And yes she lived in Fort Lee, NJ. She was taken to Miami, Fl on Friday to be viewed on Saturday and Sunday before being bought back to NY to be buried. However, during the same week we lost Ernesto Duarte, Juancito Torres & Company Segundo. Thatís just to name a few. I never said I was going there to cover a story about Celia CruzÖ.. I repeat, I never said thatÖ I said I was going to Miami to cover a story on someone famous in the Latin musical industry that pasted away. By the way, the TV station I work for has an office in Miami too so thereís many reasons for me to go there. Second, for those of you who say that cover is phony, well go right ahead. I know what Iíve done and what I havenít. And I know that NBA magazine comes in Spanish too. I wasnít taking credit from Jose for that cover, Like I said before I translate things too because I can read and write in Spanish and English. I was simply saying thank you for looking for the link to the magazine. I donít care if you donít believe me or not and NO Jose and I arenít the same person. Just like you all accused Beth some time ago and then wouldnít stop harassing her until Matt pointed out that she was posting from somewhere other than were I am you didnít leave her alone. Jose sorry for getting you involved in the middle of this. Letís leave him out! I stopped posting here a while ago because everything that was being posted were only negative things. I came back when there was actually news being written again. I too come here to read up on the news and good things that comes up. And about that TJ operation, I apologized for that. I could swear that I read that in an article but I couldnít remember where. I also said the last thing I wanted to do was spread the rumor that he did and if he hasnít been operated then I was truly sorry for saying that to begin with. I wasnít trying to make up stories back then and Iím not now either. If I donít post from time to time itís because I do have a family and I have things to do. Iím not saying that no one else has anything to do but post but sometime I canít get to the computer. Most of the times that I am posting itís from a public computer at work. Iím not going to keep on explaining anything anymore because it seems the more I explain the worst things get. So I take it that the advice that Matt gave me a while back is the best way to go. I am going to just use my better judgement in believing what anyone in here has to say. I suggest you all do the same. And MB if I didnít answer you before when you asked me if it was Celia Cruz, I am sorry I never read that post. I wasnít trying to avoid your questions. And in reference to the barricade at Jasonís house, yes there were cops there but I donít know why? I didnít stick around to find out because like the other person said, his block is very quiet and secluded so I didnít want to be questioned because I was there snooping around. Now if Pink said that it never happened then you can believe her for all you want. All I know is that Jose, Kim, 2 other people and myself were there.

Posted by Karina on November 24, 2003 3:07 PM

Well there goes our season, Alfonso Mourning just retired! And although it may not have a big impact on the starting players, I'm sure that K-Mart is feeling bad about bothering Zo for having Kidney problems at practice last week.

Posted by Anonymous on November 24, 2003 3:09 PM

Um, I don't normally post here (I just read) but I felt I should. Karina, I never "snooped" around the Kidd house. Please don't make up things and use my name in things that you don't know are true. I've never been to his house. I've passed it maybe two times when I was visiting friends in the area, but it's not like I stopped, pulled over, and drooled at the site of his house. I didn't even slow down. Stop using my name just to make it look like there was reason for the police to be there. I highly doubt police were ever there anyway. No one stalks his house, except for maybe you. Stop lying. Everyone notices.

Okay, I'm done now. I'm going back to lurking.

Posted by Kim on November 24, 2003 4:07 PM

Oh Karina. How does one "cover" a story without interviewing people or reporting? So now you're a translator? So you translated Henry Abbott's article? Of course you did. Even though you've said before that you've interviewed Kidd yourself and that YOUR transcripts appear in magazines. Yup, right. You keep digging yourself in a bigger hole. You and Jose must be in cahoots because he pretended that you wrote for that magazine and you pretended that you did as well. Can you blame us for thinking you two are the same person when you both have the same lies?? And don't give me that "Matt looked it up and we are posting on two different computers" nonsense. You can post under "Karina" at work and "Jose" at home. Duh.

By the way, Karina, it seems like whenever you are "too busy with your family" to post here, it is the exact same time that people talk about your lies. Maybe this is just a coincidence.

Any REAL Kidd news? Pink? Jason must be devastated about Alonzo. Jason's the one that convinced Rod Thorn to sign him for $22 million and now they are back where they started, no real upgrades to help their championship run.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 24, 2003 4:21 PM

That stinks!! How can you retire in the middle of the season? Well, whatever he does, I only wish his success. He is a good ball player.

Karina, 1st off I'm a journalism major, my mom is an editor, I know first hand that there is no 'rumor' that you don't have the power to uncover. If you came up on Jason's house and there were police everywhere, put on your creditials, say you're from such and such news station and find out what's going on. Hell, I'm just an intern for the bball program at my school, and I know EVERYONE's business! And what kind of journalist doesn't have her own computer? And what kind of company that publishes magazines and whatever else makes their employees share a computer? I'll say it again, I'm just and INTERN and I have my own computer!

I hate to pick, it's getting old, but so is this obvious bullsh!t. I don't know you from Adam, but I know a lie when it's staring me in the face. Your story, and the tone of all your posts just don't add up. You went from professing your love of the Nets and Jason in all caps. and plent of exclaimation points to a serious journalist.

Posted by Laura on November 24, 2003 5:18 PM

Laura, Alonzo retired because he was forced to. He needs a kidney transplant as soon as possible. Very, very sad news.

Posted by the real anonymous on November 24, 2003 5:21 PM

Thanks Real Anonymous, I had NO idea!! I thought since he was cleared to play, there were no worries about his health. When you see professional athletes you kinda think that someone who has reached their peak physical condition is invincible to ill health. I wish him well, and hopefully he finds a donor soon

Posted by Laura on November 25, 2003 12:12 AM

This is too hilarious! Y'all know a lot of info.. who represents carmelo anthony . does he have a girlfriend?

Posted by Loke on November 25, 2003 9:58 AM

Sorry to say Kim but you aint the only Kim in here. How do you know Karina was talking about you? I know she wasn't talking about me cause I only read things here too but I know she's emailed me before and you and I can't be the only Kims in here!

Posted by the other Kim on November 25, 2003 10:58 AM

Well, I have emailed Karina before as well. And I asked her for Kidd's address. She wouldn't give it to me, claiming that she would get in trouble by her boss. I then said that I found out where he lived on my own. I assumed she thought that meant that I was going to go stalk him at his house. I know there's at least 1 other Kim here, but I figured she was talking about me since I emailed her before and told her that I wanted to know where Kidd lived. Again, I just don't want her to be making assumptions about me that aren't true. Leave me out of it.

Posted by Kim on November 25, 2003 1:38 PM

I live in Nugget territory and believe me, everyone is checkin' for Carmelo, but he hasn't settled for anyone yet, not to say that he's a hoe or anything, but he's still young, and he's real close to his mother.

Posted by Laura on November 25, 2003 2:19 PM

Karina was talking about me!

If you want to see more information on Carmelo Anthony you can check out the URL above. It's his on line Shrine. They usually have good information on there and nice pictures.

Posted by Yet another Kim on November 26, 2003 1:47 PM

OOPS I forgot to add this:

Posted by Yet another Kim on November 26, 2003 1:49 PM

No Karina and I aren't the same person. That comment was pretty stupid and child thought. Can't you come up with a better reply than that?

Posted by Jose on November 26, 2003 2:00 PM

"Yet another Kim", you are KARINA. STOP LYING! You get caught EVERY time!!! You are trying to cover your butt for dragging some girl named Kim into this!!! We can all figure out what you are trying to do!! Just stop lying!!! Enough already! If you cannot control your lies, then stop coming here!!! You are detrimental to the integrity of this board. You keep making yourself look more foolish. And I will still not rule out that you are Jose. That is all. Sorry to yell, but enough is enough!

Posted by the real anonymous on November 26, 2003 11:22 PM

What are the odds that there are NO posts today except for "yet another Kim" and "Jose", all within the span of 10 minutes. Oh yeah, because they are all Karina.

Pink!! Where are you? Please save this board from Karina torture!

Posted by the real anonymous on November 26, 2003 11:24 PM

Anyone know what Kidd's Thanksgiving plans were? Did Joumana and TJ and the twins go to LA?

Posted by Anonymous on November 28, 2003 1:08 AM

Hmm strange... No one is talking. Pink hasn't posted here in days, even after he/she was asked questions. What's going on?

Posted by Anonymous on November 29, 2003 11:39 PM

Maybe people who know shit got tired of other people talking garbage about them!!! Ya think?

Posted by DM on November 30, 2003 11:08 PM

No one talks shit about Pink. He/she just left. Pink was the best poster here. Knew so much.

Posted by Anonymous on December 1, 2003 5:29 PM

Is Kidd blowing games to try to get Byron fired? It seems to be working.

Actually, Kidd's just probably too injured to play at his best. His butt must hurt a lot.

Posted by Anonymous on December 4, 2003 1:28 AM

Hope everyone had a nice holiday.

Posted by mb on December 4, 2003 9:09 PM

Well I hope you had a nice holiday as well, mb. Nice to see someone still posts here.

Posted by the real anonymous on December 4, 2003 10:37 PM

The Nets are doing VERY bad this year. Do you think Byron Scott should be fired? Trade for some big men since the Alonzo thing didn't work out and we gave away Motumbo, who was just named player of the week. This article thinks the Nets should trade Jason

Posted by Laura on December 6, 2003 1:38 PM

The Nets are not doing very bad. They are 2 games out of 1st place in their division. That is not bad. The Spurs in last place? Now THAT is bad. Anyway, injuries and other issues have caused the Nets to get off to a poor start, but they are starting to turn it around. All of the success that they have had the past 2 years has understandably left them a little complacent. They will pick it up. They don't need to make any trades right now. Kenyon, Richard, Kittles, and Kidd were all excellent last night. I think they are all starting to understand how important it is to play hard and with a purpose every night. Give them a chance. There are still over 60 games to be played. That article doesn't think that Jason should be traded. It is simply saying that things are getting a little expensive in Nets land with all of these contracts, but I don't think the money troubles are as bad as this writer thinks. Because people want to buy this team for over $250 million and since the Nets have one of the highest revenues in the league and since Kittles's, Mourning's, and Mutombo's massive contracts will come off the books in a couple of years, I don't think money will be much of a problem. Kidd will finish his career here :) He is the best point guard on the planet and isn't going anywhere.

Posted by Anonymous on December 6, 2003 5:49 PM

The Nets are 6th in the Eastern Conference, and they're 19th overall in the NBA. They are doing terribly. They have been hampered by injury, but something needs to happen to turn this thing around.

When you said "Kidd will finish his career here :) He is the best point guard on the planet and isn't going anywhere." I'm sure people in Pheonix and Dallas said the same thing. I remember reading that Jason has a problem with communications and he tends to shut people off when he has a problem with them. I'm sure this is what caused him to be traded the first two times. I do hope the Nets stay together, but they need a big man to help them out.

Posted by Laura on December 7, 2003 12:38 AM

Laura, have you watched the past two games? The Nets have looked very good. RJ has been playing well, Kenyon has become his old self again, and Kidd looks great, posting 4 (!!) triple doubles already this season. Sure, they had a bit of a slow start, but they are getting healthy now and seem to be getting back on track. EVERY team goes through a stretch where the team isn't playing well. It happens, and hopefully the bad stretch is over for the Nets. Jason got traded from Phoenix because he hit his wife. He's not going to let that happen again. As long as he plays like he is capable of, they are not going to trade him. Jason communication skills, by the way, are greatly improved. In fact, he seems to ALWAYS be talking now... with teammates, coaches, management. The Nets could use a shooter, not necessarily a big man. Kenyon's a wonderful big man. Collins is solid and Aaron Williams has played great (double digit scoring off the bench). I really don't think any trades are necessary right now. This is the same team as last year and if they just play hard (and they have the last 2 games), they will win games.

Posted by Anonymous on December 7, 2003 10:01 PM

Where is Pink?? Pink, check in with us if you can.

Posted by Anonymous on December 7, 2003 11:47 PM

First of all, I would like to say that I love DM and think he is the cats meow....
where does he live? Is he married? does his wife know about his girlfriends?
I want him, even if it is only for one night!
DM - you are hot

luv chantal

Posted by chantal on December 9, 2003 9:51 AM

I'm Back, basketball and school has been keeping a lot of my time. nice to read we have new people. Karina is back up to her old tricks again. How hard is it for people to tell the TRUTH?


Posted by mimi on December 9, 2003 5:44 PM

Pink, are you okay?

Posted by Anonymous on December 9, 2003 8:07 PM

Chantal, DM is good looking and very funny too. He lives on the east coast now, but is originally from Seattle. He was in Seattle not too long ago and was single (getting a divorce). You may just get your wish.

Posted by kc on December 9, 2003 9:40 PM

Pink, did we do something wrong?

Posted by Anonymous on December 11, 2003 6:54 PM

Anonymous, sweetie, I think Pink is gone. Let it go , it's o.k.

Posted by mimi on December 12, 2003 12:18 PM


Posted by Anonymous on December 12, 2003 3:58 PM

Come to think of it, where is pimk?

Posted by mimi on December 16, 2003 4:52 PM

ment to say pink. My bad!

Posted by mimi on December 16, 2003 4:54 PM

Pink obviously can't get any information anymore or something like that.

Posted by Anonymous on December 16, 2003 6:24 PM

Can you all guess what happened to Pink?
Same thing that happened to*~~*

Posted by DM on December 17, 2003 2:40 PM

DM, the difference was that *~~* seemed to hold a grudge against the Kidds while Pink really, really liked them. There was no reason for her/him to leave because she had nothing but good things to say about the Kidds. Perhaps the Kidds found out that this person was posting info on here about them and even though it was positive info, they would rather have things be left more private? I have no idea. Usually the Kidds are all up for having positive things being said about them. I don't think they would have a problem with Pink. Perhaps Pink just didn't want to tell us that Joumana in fact doesn't drive TJ to school in the morning? After that comment, Pink never came back.

Posted by the real anonymous on December 18, 2003 3:53 AM

I hope Jason doesn't read the newspapers tomorrow morning. It's basically just all bashing, making it sound like Kidd is a bad person for wanting a new coach that can help this team get better. Really, the media is just mad that Kidd isn't talking with them, so they don't have any good dirt to write about, so instead they make stuff up.

Don't listen to them, Jason. They are all bitter Knick fans who are pissed that you aren't talking to them anymore. Therefore, they now think you are mean. Don't let them bother you. Just go out there and play ball.

Sincerely, your fans who know that you aren't mean :)

DM, if you are the real DM, please call Kidd or email him and tell him that his real fans aren't mad at him and are happy about him speaking up about Scott's incompetence as a coach. We don't think Jason is mean or a liar and we know he's a good person who doesn't want to publically embarrass Byron, who is a good person, despite his inability to be a good coach. Also tell him that he played excellently last night and that we are all proud of him for playing so well through the injuries and distractions.

Posted by Anonymous on December 18, 2003 4:03 AM


Posted by D.D. on December 18, 2003 5:16 PM

Uh, no, they aren't going to trade Kidd. He IS the Nets. Did you watch last night? He was hurt and played incredibly!! Without him, this team goes nowhere. They will get rid of Scott, yes, but Kidd, no. They would be fools.

Posted by Anonymous on December 18, 2003 6:20 PM

The Dallas Mavericks and the Pheonix Suns said the same thing

Posted by Laura on December 18, 2003 9:22 PM

Mama Kidd needs to sit down and have along talk with her baby.

Posted by D.D. on December 19, 2003 12:38 AM

Everyone should be ashamed of themselves. Truth or lies, you guys are all eating it? What does Jason's life have to do with you? Nothing otherwise it would be your life don't oyu think? If you dated him, met him, talked to him, or even slept with him, that is for oyu to know not anyone else. What do you need to prove? There are plenty of girls who have slept with NBA players, so what. There are a few players who have dignity to not cheat, and because someone has dated many people through his lifetime that does not make it relevant that he cheated on Joumana. And for all of you who have hater comments toward Joumana, give it up, realize that you are so jealous of someone so beautiful. She had already set herself into business before Jason came along. Let them live their life. They are just the same like everyone else.

And as for the beating/abuse, he has a temper, he made a mistake, and they have gotten over it, why doesn't everyone else?

This is all a waste of time, and my friend, whom plays for the New JErsey Nets as well, wanted me to write an honest comment back to all of you. Love the game for the game, not the players. That is just a bonus. You should focus on the game and how they are on the court, not what they are outside. My friend constantly tells me that women flaunt over them and wanting to do whatever it is they want them to, but it's the strong players that survive that. And I have been there, I have met people, and I know that you all need to give it a rest already. And to stop even making comments. You may ask yourself, well is this person for real, who does she know? Should we believe her? Yes, I talk to to him, a popular player who knows Jason personally, 2 times a week, and see him about every other month. So relax, get your head out of the envy mode, and live your life to it's full potential.

Posted by friend on December 19, 2003 10:46 AM

No people need to leave Kidd alone and let him be who he is, a leader! The media need to find someone else to go and bother.

Posted by DM on December 19, 2003 10:48 AM

Laura, Dallas and Phoenix never begged Kidd to sign a $103 million contract. Kidd came here while the Nets franchise was absolutely dysfunctional and he completely turned things around. He made this team rise from the bottom of the barrel to become a championship contender. This is not the same as the Phoenix or Dallas situation by any means. Jason was one of three stars in Dallas, all of whom had off court troubles, problems with each other, and poor leadership skills. They were all immature. Phoenix tried forever to get out of the first round and couldn't. Then Kidd got arrested. Can you see the difference?

Posted by Anonymous on December 19, 2003 7:45 PM

To a friend,

That was sooo lovely and well put, however, if we have our opinion we may state it however we like. It's true what goes on between two people should stay between those two, but it's just not the American way. If someone wants to share their story, thats their right. I have friends that play in the NBA as well and you are right on that note, I have heard and witnessed some crazy things women will do. Just because something is posted about Joumana in a negative light doesn't mean we are jealous or envious. I speak for myself, I am a very beautiful woman so I have nothing to be jealous and envious about. She has altered her looks as well, not saying she isn't a cute girl, but it's not natural. I might not be as well off financially as Joumana, but I do pretty good and I am well off spiritually. Everyone has their faults, and you might think some negative posting is a fault, then so be it. You can't stop people from saying what they feel.
By the way you are late, there hasn't been a negative post on her in a minute.
So I suggest you get a life and quit trying to regulate. Also, why did your friend have you post? Why didn't he/she post themselves? Just another suggestion for the people who always try to get people to post only great things and don't want people who KNOW negative things about the Kidds (or anyone else for that matter), why don't you call all the papers, People, Enquirer, Star, etc., to stop posting negative things about people? C'mon, give me a break, like you haven't said something negative about someone you know and through experience don't necessarily care for. Or like you haven't passed judgement on someone, really.

Posted by mb on December 20, 2003 2:28 AM

To a friend:

It's not worth your aggravation! I'm sure that the Kidds appreciate you standing up for them but you must understand that you are dealing with a load of uneducated people in here.
Don't waste your breath.

Posted by DM on December 22, 2003 9:48 AM

DM,so if people have a negative opinion about the Kidds it means that they are uneducated? I would like to believe that the negative things that are said here aren't true, but so far, the only person that has come close to proving that he/she actually does come in contact with the Kidds and/or close friends of the Kidds is Pink, and she has disappeared a while ago. So who knows what the real story is. I would love to know what kind of people the Kidds really are, but until these unnamed sources reveal themselves, people will continue to pay attention to the negative stuff.

Posted by the real anonymous on December 22, 2003 2:06 PM

real anonymous, sorry if I said it wrong. I meant to say ignorant people not uneducated. And you do make a very good valid point.

Posted by DM on December 23, 2003 12:03 PM

Well if you think people that have said anything negative about the Kidds, I could really care less. Thats your opinion, everyone has one. I know the things I have said are true and have been proven, so whatever. Pink does have valid sources I'm sure, but she definitely isn't the only one who know things about the Kidds.
And DM you are ignorant for calling people ignorant without knowing them. You can call me or anyone else whatever you want, as far as I'm concerned you are just as ignorant for letting someones opinions or stories get you to the point of name calling. Who's the ignorant and immature one?

Posted by mb on December 23, 2003 2:18 PM

I meant to say, if you think anyone that has said anything about the Kidds is ignorant, I could care less. Typo, sorry.

Posted by mb on December 23, 2003 2:20 PM

I think the problem with this board, is that we have too many Kidd fanatics on here that worship him too much and they can't handle when someone says something negative about their hero!!! Don't get me wrong I'm a big Kidd fan myself, and he's one of my favorite players. But I don't get mad when someone brings up something negative about him, because he's not perfect, and not everyone in this world is gonna have the same opinion about him as you do.

Some of you need to get off his nuts and quit worshipping him so much!!! If your gonna get all offended when someone talks about your favorite basketball player (especially on the internet) then you must be one insecure person. So just kick back, and respect other peoples opinions even if there different from yours.

I'm not directing this at anyone in specific, just for people who get offended when someone makes a negative comment about Kidd.

Posted by Shawn on December 24, 2003 3:01 AM

Well Shawn I agree and have said the same thing many times. I have had some negative opinions, and some positive ones as well, however, instead of focusing on the good ones, the so called "fans" focus on the negative opinions. It seems to me if they were such fans they would ignore the negative and focus, as well as comment on the positive opinions.
For all the people who keep trying to talk down and call people immature names who have negative opinions, are the ones who have the problem. I just think it is sad, and they are even worse off than the names they call people.

Posted by mb on December 26, 2003 2:33 AM

Also I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday, whether you celebrate Christmas, Kwanza, Hanukkah, or anything else. This goes for everyone that post on this board.

Posted by mb on December 26, 2003 2:36 AM

What did Kidd do for Christmas?

Posted by Anonymous on December 27, 2003 11:20 PM

Please tell us Pink!

Posted by Anonymous on December 27, 2003 11:20 PM

Or anyone!

Posted by Anonymous on December 27, 2003 11:20 PM

Anonymous, I think you might have to get another source because I don't believe pink is coming back.

Shawn,I applaud you on your dec.24, post it was well put, thank you ,I am a very big Jason Kidd fan but I am not going to make him out to be the angel, he's not!

Posted by D.D. on December 29, 2003 12:25 AM

D.D., do you just think that Pink isn't coming back or do you know him/her and have actual info? Do you know the Kidds?

Posted by Anonymous on December 29, 2003 12:48 AM

No, I don't know pink ,but if he or she hasn't posted in all this time their probably not coming back. Remember ~**~,she never returned,also no I don't know the Kidd family

Posted by D.D. on December 29, 2003 4:28 PM

Thanks D.D., no problem.

Posted by Shawn on December 31, 2003 5:32 AM

*~~* definitely thought she was gonna get in trouble since she works for the Kidds and she was really bashing them here. (Probably a little jealous of them). I can't figure out Pink's deal.

Posted by Anonymous on January 2, 2004 8:42 PM

Anonymous or MB, Does Jason Jr. have any type of relationship with Jason's mother or sisters?

Posted by D.D. on January 2, 2004 11:06 PM

No, Jason Jr does not. I doubt he even has a relationship with Jason.

Oh yeah, I was at the Nets game on New Year's Eve. Joumana doesn't even watch TJ while she's there (at least not at this game). TJ was sitting with the injured players behind the Net's bench while Joumana was sitting at a table on the other side of court talking away with a lady that is either Aaron Williams's wife, or someone that looks just like her. Joumana talks and talks and talks, barely acknowledging that a game is taking place. I saw her clap like twice when Richard and Kenyon made shots, but other than that, she looks like she barely watches. I think she was there with one or two nannies, even though one of those people looked like Jason's mom, but I was kinda far away so I didn't get a good look. I don't know why someone needs nannies at a game when they are only there with one child, but it could have just been because it was New Year's Eve and maybe they wanted to have someone there to take TJ home so that they could go party. But I don't know, maybe I'm being too judgemental from a distance. I don't really know what kind of mother/wife Joumana is.

Posted by Anonymous on January 3, 2004 4:47 PM

No, Jason Jr does not. I doubt he even has a relationship with Jason.

Oh yeah, I was at the Nets game on New Year's Eve. Joumana doesn't even watch TJ while she's there (at least not at this game). TJ was sitting with the injured players behind the Net's bench while Joumana was sitting at a table on the other side of court talking away with a lady that is either Aaron Williams's wife, or someone that looks just like her. Joumana talks and talks and talks, barely acknowledging that a game is taking place. I saw her clap like twice when Richard and Kenyon made shots, but other than that, she looks like she barely watches. I think she was there with one or two nannies, even though one of those people looked like Jason's mom, but I was kinda far away so I didn't get a good look. I don't know why someone needs nannies at a game when they are only there with one child, but it could have just been because it was New Year's Eve and maybe they wanted to have someone there to take TJ home so that they could go party. But I don't know, maybe I'm being too judgemental from a distance. I don't really know what kind of mother/wife Joumana is.

Posted by Anonymous on January 3, 2004 4:47 PM

Just for the record from whomever it was that posted about saying whatever it is you want ( which is basically everyone) that is true, an opinion is an opinion.

My friend plays for the Nets, and when I was pointed to this by another friend, I told him about it and he had even heard about this. Do you think he really cares, no, but I told him I would write something in here. Let's face it, gossip is what lures people in, hey it did that to me even though I know the truth, but I guess those that were meant to know the truth do.

For the lady who wrote she was beautiful, you probably are, because there are a lot of beautiful women out there, and there are those that are natural, and those that are not. I am 100 percent natural, and for those that "fix" themselves are unhappy with themselves. Not everyone is jealous when they talk about Joumana, your right, but for people to be talked about, it's something they have, who they are, that what makes people like or dislike them for osme reason.

I talk to my friend 3 times a week, and visit him once a month and he has never had a bad thing to say about Jason or his family, and this is coming from a guy who spends a lot of time on and off the court with him.

People are not perfect and even though it may seem like they are, or they might have problems, they are just like the rest of us. I will be seeing my friend soon, and if there is anything you want to be cleared up with the absolute truth, let me know now.

Posted by Anonymous on January 3, 2004 11:59 PM

I don't think the Kidds should be perfect. No one is perfect. And I have no problem with Joumana wanting to make her boobs bigger or her nose a different shape. Hey, I don't blame her. You might as well do something with all of that money and if she likes the way she looks better now, then good for her. I don't think we should pick on her for that. I just think (after reading things on here and elsewhere and seeing things from a distance) that Joumana seems to not want to involve herself much in her children's lives. While it isn't any of my business, I find it disturbing that Jason seems to care so much more about the kids than she does. When you hear people saying things here like "Joumana buys her kids tons of toys so that they will leave her alone", "She hires 4 nannies so that she doesn't have to comb her own kids' hair and dress them", and then when you go to games and see her basically ignoring her kid, it tends to tick me off, since I have listened to countless interviews that she has given about how great her parenting skills are and blah, blah. I just don't want to waste my time listening to her interviews if all she does is lie, you know what I mean? I just want to know if I should be bothering to read the newspapers if she just makes up things. So yeah, I would like to know if she really gives a damn about her kids. No, she shouldn't be the perfect parent, but should she give her own kids baths and dress them? I would hope so.

I would love to know if she drives TJ to school. I think someone has asked this on this board and I would love to know. They showed her on MTV Diary a year ago driving TJ to school. I wonder if I should believe that or if I am being fooled. I don't like being fooled.

Posted by Anonymous on January 4, 2004 2:05 AM

I've seen Diary, Cribs, Extra, etc... and it does seem like the Kidd's try to put forth the idea that they are hands on parents, but for all the stuff that both of them are involved in, I know it can't be totally true. After watching Cribs you would think Joumana stays at home all day with the kids, when I'm sure she's working, getting facials, working out, and an array of many other things that rich wives have the privledge to do. I don't know, I just can't image very many high profile celebrities being able to raise their kids, manage a household, and still have their career going full steam.

Posted by Laura on January 4, 2004 4:13 PM

Well anonymous, I was the one whose post you are responding to. I also said no one knows the real truth but the Kidds, period. I don't care how much time your friend spends with them. Everything we know (first hand I may say, as well as you), is still speculation. No one was in the bed with them, no one lives with them, no one hears what goes on behind closed doors either. So what you claim your friend knows doesn't make it law, unless he is with the Kidds 24/7. We all know sometimes you tend to act different around other people than you really are at home. When I go to work, sometimes I don't feel like being in peoples face, or being nice when I have to talk to customers on the phone, but I do it. When I get home, I can relax. I'm sure the Kidds keep their game face on a lot. Just like people were shocked to hear when Jason smacked Joumana, better yet hear the 911 call when she said "this happens all the time". I know I was slightly suprised myself. So to sum up everything, the point I try to make is, keep your opinions about what other people say, opinions. What you or your friend know isn't law, negative or positive. If you were to find out tomorrow that Joumana was sleeping with one of Jason's teammates for the past 3 years on this board you wouldn't believe it, but if it came out 1 week later in the news that after a private detective caught her on camera and she confessed, you would be molded. (that is NOT a true story, just trying to make a point). All I'm saying is, before you judge people for their negative (as you say) comments, think about it, because it very well could be the truth, and thats just a side of the Kidds you just don't know.

Also the last I heard (which was this past summer), Jason Jr. didn't spend time with any of the Kidds. I know his stepfather is a big part of his life, and more of a father than Jason ever has been. He is Jason Jr.'s father like Shaq's stepfather was to him.

Posted by mb on January 5, 2004 12:28 PM

MB Is do agree with you on part of what you have to say, I'm not arguing with you, or trying to say your wrong. People do put out a side of themselves everytime they are around people, I totally agree with you. And as for Joumana and how she is, I'm just going by my friend who has dinner at their house a lot, and yes maybe she is actinga certain way, and that is what makes her fake then.

You do have a point about that, and as for TJ, I'm not really sure what the deal is because you hear the press, you see photos, and you know it's hard to understand or know the truth. I guess we'll never know the truth. Your right, noone is with them 24/7, and maybe that's for a good reason!

Jason does pay more attention to the Kidds. Do you notice that the girls hardly ever get talked about? Do you know why she acts the way she does? Her son Tj get's more attention than her, and her husband is famous, and then there's her. She has a career, but once she got married, she cared more about the fame of him, and herself.

We all pay attention to the media, and believe what they have to say. In the end though, it all doesn't really matter to me, I just wanted to see what people felt about them. There are a lot of opinions, and I am glad. Noone is right, and noone is wrong. Unless it is so far from the truth.

Everything my friend has to tell me has been correct so far, and we don't really talk about them. When I see Jason, it's by himself or with the team relaxing the night before. I would never ask him what is up. It's just small talk and then we leave and hang out on our own instead of with everybody else.

Posted by Anonymous on January 5, 2004 8:40 PM

I agree anonymous. The things I have been told (from in the past only, nothing real recent) have been correct, and validated as well.
The only thing that makes me upset is when people critisize, or call people names for things they don't know are false. I will also say, some stories I have heard sound crazy, but who am I to say it is wrong. It is not my place to tell people who have negative comments or stories, to stop posting, or call them names. Thats the only issue I have with some people in here.

Posted by mb on January 6, 2004 2:13 AM

I see what you're saying, mb. I think the only person that really took offense to negative things said about the Kidds was that nut, Karina, and she seems to have disappeared, which is good since she just made up stuff anyway.

I think Joumana may be a liar, too. Even though I think *~~* doesn't really like them too much, she did have very good info and what she said makes sense. I could definitely see all those toys that Joumana buys her kids being a method to get them to leave her alone so that she can concentrate on the 12 million other things that she does. (She even has her own commercial now for the North Shore Animal League, which made me laugh). I wonder if she even realizes that "good parenting skills" does not include hiring nannies to do EVERYTHING for your kids. Then again, I don't really know if *~~* was telling us the absolute truth since she seemed to dislike them for some reason. I don't know what Joumana actually does for her kids. I even think she lied to the police in that 911 call. I think she just said that the incident was minor compared to what she usually goes through just to make it seem worse than it really was and to make Jason look really bad since she was obviously and understandably really ticked off at him at the time. I could be wrong, but that's just what I think. She is admittedly a person who tends to exaggerate things.

Posted by the real anonymous on January 6, 2004 1:50 PM

Yeah she's off the hook. I don't know her personally, but the encounters I have had, she was sooooo fake and seemed very self centered. That was then, she might have changed, however, when I saw her interviewing Angelina Jolie on Extra she seemed exactly the same.

Posted by mb on January 6, 2004 3:54 PM

Anonymous, are the Kidd twins identical or fraternal, the reason why I asked is because someone posted not to long ago that they thought the twins were fraternal,but they look identical to me.

As for Joumana I have yet to see her on "Extra" but if she is anything like she was on the "All-Star weekend special" she is very fake,and I have posted this before and I will post it again I don't think she is a very good reporter,she is so busy trying to "hog" out the camera,she should focus on getting whoever she interviews in front of the camera instead of Joumana ,my God we all know that she is pretty,but even the prettiest or most handsome face you get a little tired of looking at,I know all you Nets fans are really tired.

Posted by D.D. on January 7, 2004 2:30 AM

mb, I'm curious, what makes you say that Joumana seemed self centered during that Angelina Jolie interview? Is it because she mentioned that she has 3 kids? I didn't think it was necessary for her to mention that in the interview, but maybe she is just a proud mom.

I don't really know, but the Kidd twins look fraternal to me. I think it is pretty easy to tell them apart.

Posted by the real anonymous on January 7, 2004 2:55 PM

I said she also seemed very fake, and thats what I meant as far as the interview. Everything like her mannerisms, just seem so fake. Just the WAY she said she had 3 children was just so Whitney Houston. That is just how I saw her. It had nothing to do with WHAT she said, its how she said it.

Posted by mb on January 8, 2004 12:08 PM

I understood why she mentioned it in the interview, I guess she was trying to (as a reporter), let Angelina Jolie know that she understands parenthood and wanted her outlook on it. That didn't make her seem self centered.

Posted by mb on January 8, 2004 12:10 PM

Ok, I see what you're saying. I think Joumana does seem a bit uncomfortable in front of the camera. Sometimes it seems like she tries too hard. Maybe that's why she appears to be fake? I mean, don't all reporters talk differently on tv than they would toward their family and friends? If that Dana lady on Extra talked that way toward her family, I think she would get on their nerves really quickly.

Posted by the real anonymous on January 8, 2004 2:32 PM

Again, MY experience with Joumana. You reinerrated my point exactly, she does talk like that in person. So thats why I think she is fake, because the same way she is on camera (appearing to be fake), is the same way she acted every time I saw her. So real anonymous, I'm not going to keep going back and forth on why I think she seems fake, self-centered, or whatever other opinions I have about her. Obviously you don't have the same thoughts regarding her seeming that way. I said I though she was fake and self-centered, then I referenced the interview and you automatically came back and asked why I thought she was self-centered, you didn't touch on me thinking she was fake at all. If you looked at that interview and saw that she seemed a little fake, then why couldn't you have just assumed the fake part of my statement instead of trying to point out the self-centered portion of my statement? Of course she didn't seem self-centered in the interview, but you even agreed she seemed a little fake or nervous in front of the camera. You could have just said, ok I can see where she can think she might seem a little fake. I could see if all I saw was her on TV or what I hear here on this board, once again, I said from what I experienced first hand from her, so that wasn't an assumption. If you put 2 and 2 together, what do you get. I'm not going to keep on explaining why I think she is that way to convince you. She seemed in person just the was she was on TV, FAKE.

Posted by mb on January 9, 2004 2:26 AM

I wasn't asking you to convince me. I was just suggesting a reason why she may appear fake on camera... because she is uncomfortable and is trying too hard. I wasn't trying to put down what you said and I'm not trying to debate with you. I didn't think that you knew Joumana personally and I thought you mentioned that you have only seen her from a distance at get-togethers or something like that. I didn't think that you had ever talked to her or really had ever come in close contact with her to be able to judge her as fake. My bad.

Watching her recently, she does appear to me to be extremely friendly, outgoing, and open with people. That kind of perky attitude can sometimes be misinterpreted as fake because you really don't expect a person to be that happy all of the time. Then again, I think Joumana acts fake when she talks to the media sometimes. Again, it's like she tries too hard to give herself a positive image .... But around her family and friends, I don't know, since I only see and hear about her from a distance.

Posted by the real anonymous on January 9, 2004 1:47 PM

You say perky, I say fake. Tomato, Tomoto. Potato, Pototo. I have seen her off and on. And if you read, I did have an encounter with her. I used to see her out often. You are right, I did say I don't know her personally, but I still have gotten a fake vibe from her. She knows when to put it on. I guess you would have had to be around her when I was to know what I am talking about.

Posted by mb on January 12, 2004 3:44 AM

I mean perky as in lively, not fake. Not all happy, outgoing people are fake. I do believe, though, that she is fake at times. But I do have a hard time believing that she is fake all of the time. Is that even possible? Can someone really have an agenda at all times?

Posted by the real anonymous on January 12, 2004 3:17 PM

Jason left a game with a sprained finger, but he was playing the other night with no protection, what's up with that?

Posted by Laura on January 12, 2004 11:57 PM

Did I say she was fake ALL the time? I just made a general statement.

Posted by mb on January 13, 2004 3:25 AM

Oh. Well if you think she is fake on TV and fake around normal people then what else is there? Not much, really. I thought you just meant that she was just a fake person.

Posted by the real anonymous on January 13, 2004 3:06 PM

I said she SEEMED fake. Ok, drop it already.

Posted by mb on January 14, 2004 12:29 PM

Well, no one else is talking and I find this pretty interesting so I felt like talking about it.

Do you know of any good characteristics that Joumana has or do you think she is just up to no good? Just wondering what your opinion of her is since you know her better than I do, I'm guessing.

Posted by the real anonymous on January 14, 2004 1:56 PM

My, my, my, i see what happens when i disappear for too long.

Posted by mimi on January 14, 2004 1:58 PM

is any oe here?

Posted by mimi on January 15, 2004 2:07 PM

Today's my birthday! ::sings In the Club::

Posted by Laura on January 15, 2004 2:48 PM

I don't know her like that to know what she might be up to. I just don't feel that she is a genuine person. I feel everything she does, she does to look good to others. Again, I don't personally know her like that, I could be dead wrong. She might be genuinely sweet, I just don't feel it.

Posted by mb on January 15, 2004 9:21 PM

Happy Belated Birthday, Laura.

Posted by Nobody on January 16, 2004 3:24 PM

Awesome website here that I have stumbled upon. Apparently, there have been some great insiders visiting this board, people that have been in close contact with the Kidd family. I have had some awesome reading the past couple of days. One thing that I was shocked to read here was a rumor that Jason didn't even know if the twins were his! Is Joumana really that unfaithful or is this just one big ridiculous rumor? I'm guessing it's the latter but who knows. It was written by that vg person and she just seems like a liar.

Posted by Linda on January 18, 2004 10:59 PM

Interesting reads...
Seems like Kidd may have another child that we don't know about. He was quite the bad boy before he got married. He apparently used to cheat on his girlfriends on road trips all of the time when he was a Dallas Maverick. Yeah, I know girlfriends are not the same as being married, but still, I find this behavior disturbing. Yeah, I know it's typical of NBA players but there are exceptions and Jason just doesn't seem like the type who would cheat. Well apparently he was. I would hope that Kidd has grown up by now and no longer behaves so scummy. I'm guessing his wife means a hell of a lot more to him than some girlfriends anyway (he was probably motivated by wrong things in choosing girlfriends, ie. wanting to look cool by dating a famous singer). Anyway, reading this stuff got me so angry... having 2 girlfriends at once, leaving one girlfriend at home while getting another one pregnant. I wonder if Joumana knows about this stuff or if she even cares. I pray for her sake and his that he has changed. It seems like he has, but what do I know.

Posted by Anonymous on January 19, 2004 2:27 AM

I think it's pretty well known that there's a Jason Kidd Jr. running around. It was talked about for a hot minute here.

Posted by Laura on January 19, 2004 10:28 AM

I'm not talking about Jason Jr. He was born in 1993. The article above implies that Jason may have had another child when he was with the Dallas Mavericks some time in 1995/1996.

Posted by Anonymous on January 19, 2004 7:31 PM

Just wondering, Jason Jr doesn't go by the last name of Kidd correct? Does he go by his mother's name? mb might know

Posted by Linda on January 20, 2004 12:51 PM

Yes he goes by Kidd. If not he wouldn't be a junior. I'm not trying to be smart so I hope it didn't come out that way. I was just saying if anything was different in his name than big Jason, he wouldn't be a jr.

Posted by mb on January 21, 2004 2:19 AM

Oh okay, thanks. What if he was born as Jason Kidd, Jr. and then his mother decided that he should take her name since Jason Kidd is no longer involved in his life? Would they just drop the Jr part along with Kidd?

Posted by Linda on January 21, 2004 3:08 PM

Yes I guess you would. Being that she is changing his last name because his dad is not a part of his life, it seems you wouldn't want him to be a jr. at that point anyway.

Posted by mb on January 21, 2004 10:22 PM

Do you people think Kidd and his family will like going to Brooklyn (or at least having to commute there for games)? Kidd claims he will be retired by the time the new arena is built, but I don't know about that. I wonder if he is looking forward to playing in a new arena.

Posted by Anonymous on January 22, 2004 5:39 PM

I would think that Kidd would be happy to play wherever a lot of people go to watch. And he will probably be excited to play in a new arena. I still think the Brooklyn plan will be a failure anyway and the team will remain in NJ.

Posted by Anonymous on January 25, 2004 8:37 PM

sorry laura, happy belated birthday. Since I'm on the subject of birthdays my birthday is, SUPER BOWL SUNDAY, february 1st. me and some friends are going throw a super bowl/ birthday party and get toasted.

Posted by mimi on January 28, 2004 11:14 AM

Does joumana have east indian blood? i am wondering because everybody says she is half arabic and half east indian. maybe that is why she is dark skinned.

Posted by anonymous on January 30, 2004 1:29 AM

I just have on thing to say, they are so high on themselves that they actually have a brass plate on one of the gates of thier house with their address which says "The Knispels". How high on yourself can you be? They are nothing special, just people with money and no class. Joumana, a thank you note for the cheesecake would have been classy!

Posted by zoo on January 31, 2004 12:43 PM

No Joumana is not half arabic and half indian. If you read the first page someone said her father is jordanian and egyptian. And her mother is palestinian and lebanese.

Posted by Shawn on January 31, 2004 9:51 PM

This is off topic but congrats to the New England Patriots for winning their 2nd Super Bowl. That was one hell of a game, one of the best Super bowls I've seen in a while. And props to the Panthers for putting up a good fight. Sorry folks but just thought I'd mention it.

Posted by Shawn on February 2, 2004 2:35 AM

A while back someone posted that there were legal reasons why Jason kidd doesn't see his son, could he have possibly signed over his right to the child?

Did Jason Kidd get Byron Scott fired, if so that was a very dirty thing to do, but what goes around comes around ,he better remember that.

One last comment that is way off the subject, about the Janet/Justin situation,I believe it was an accident, because both seemed very shocked about it, and justin tried to shield her so that she could get
her self together,but the NFL and the media keep making a big deal about it,I understand that there were children watching,but if it was accident they had no control over the situation!

Posted by D.D. on February 2, 2004 11:45 PM

Anonymous, on January 19, you talked about Jason possibly having another child, well I remember reading in the paper, right before he got traded to the suns, that this baby you talked about turned out to not be Jason's because they supposedly took a paternity test, if this is the same baby, remember when he and Jim Jackson fell out with each other, because Jim went to the owners of the Mavericks and told them to brace themselves for more bad publicity, and that Jason might be hit with a possible paternity suit. the mother of the child lived in L.A.

Posted by D.D. on February 3, 2004 12:10 AM

Oh ok, D.D. Thanks for mentioning that.

And anyone who has followed the Nets closely understands that Byron was not the right coach for this team and deserved to be fired. His heart was clearly not in it. He didn't want to put in the time and the players deserve a coach that puts in as much effort as they do.

Posted by Anonymous on February 3, 2004 12:28 AM

zoo, what in the world are you talking about?

don't the knispels own land settlements in NJ? Maybe they own the area where the Kidds live? lol. I have no idea why it says the Knispels but why does that mean that they aren't classy? And you gave them cheesecake? Are you their friend, neighbor, etc?

Posted by Anonymous on February 3, 2004 12:34 AM

Anonymous, Even if Byron Scott was the worst Coach in the NBA it is still wrong to go behind the man's back and try to get him fire,seems like Jason has a problem with every coach plays for, he had a problem with one of his coaches in college,and that coach ended up getting fired,he had a problem with Jim Cleamons in Dallas, he had a problem with Scott Skiles in Phoenix, and know Byron Scott he won't be satisfied until Joumana is coaching the nets and T.J. is her assistant coach,he has grown up quite a bit but he still has a long way to go.

Posted by D.D. on February 3, 2004 1:01 AM

D.D., actually MANY people disliked Cleamons, Skiles, and Scott. People STILL complain about Skiles and if you read the Nets players' comments recently, they all hint at disliking Scott and his methods and wanting change. It just so happens that Kidd is the leader of his team, so he gets most of the blame. In my eyes, he did nothing wrong. This team wants to win and they deserve a coach that wants to win as much as they do and now they have one. Scott was lazy and didn't care. Everyone close to the Nets knew this. If the star player doesn't speak up, who will?

And Kidd had good relationships with Dick Motta and Danny Ainge. His other coaches, well, they kinda stunk, sorry to say. And if you recall, Skiles didn't get fired until after Marbury got there and the Suns had a miserable record. Again, it is understandable why Kidd gets most of the blame for the majority of these incidents, but it has less to do with him than you think. Kidd wants to win. I don't blame him for wanting a coach who is on the same page.

Posted by Anonymous on February 3, 2004 10:46 PM

I still say he acted like a coward,because that is what they do,they smile in your face and then go behind your back,also he never even gave Jim cleamons a chance,a coach has to get use his players to see what are there strong points and what are their weak points he is not going to start out with a 82-0 record,if things don't go Jason's way then he get mad at the world,and starts acting like the spoiled little rich boy that he is.

Posted by D.D. on February 4, 2004 8:31 AM

I'm so tired of the Janet/Justin thing. I don't think it was an accident, and whether it was or wasn't, so what. I think that if only the red part of her costume was to show and it all ripped than they better clown whoever made the costume. I can't believe that ripped that easy on that exact seam. I do think Justin was surprised though. Anyway, SO WHAT. It happened so fast, some people that were watching it with me didn't even see it. Especially if you were at the game. You couldn't see a nipple. I'm so tired of all these folks talking about how their 8 year old kids saw it and they were shocked. Blah Blah Blah.
No one say's s--t about those broads wrestling in the water in their bras and underwear with their butts hanging out of it, talking about "Great Taste, Less Filling!". They ran those commercials 24/7, even had a spin off where the guy was fantasizing his head was between one of the girls titties. When the fake tittie crew was on baywatch, boobies damn near popping out of their swimsuit, can see the nipple impressions through the swimsuit (especially Pamela Anderson-Lee), no one said s--t. What about the herbal essence commercials where they are simulating an orgasm? I have a hard time explaining why she's making that noise (and yes my 8 year old son asked) like that. I'd much rather him get a clip of that, which involves no explaining, just a little snicker. I don't agree, but damn, it's not that serious. Videos are much worse sometimes (which I don't let him watch).
And why is it the media went off about Janet, then they switch over to the streaker with his ass in a thong (not blacked out mind you, YUKKKK!), titties showing (bigger than Janet's), everything all out? But thats supposed to be funny. Don't nobody want to see that S--T! Why is that ok to show?
Some of you might agree with my point, some of you might not, but if it was Britany Spears or Madonna, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. (And I love Madonna by the way)

Also no one knows for sure if Jason gave up his parental right. From what I know from a good friend of the father figure in Jason Jr.'s life, he didn't.

Another issue to touch. Unless you are a well respected coach with A LOT of clout, an excellent success record, a team, or star player can decide your fate in professional sports. I like Byron Scott, but as far as his coaching, I feel he was questionable in some areas in that latter of career with the Nets. Also if Jason (him being the undeniable star player) felt that he wasn't doing his job well, and the Nets felt it was going to cost them their player and possibly others who felt the same, what do you think they are going to do?
Just like with us, the RAIDERS, I thought Callahan should have been outta there, as well as 1/2 of the team, including most of their star players. Al said, "your outta here!". In some cases I don't agree. It's very political, and sometimes coaches are great, but all it takes is that one player, or a number of players, and even if your doing pretty good, just getting your team there, your outta there.
Now Gruden wasn't playin' that s--t with Keyshawn Johnson. Sometimes it works against the players.

Posted by mb on February 5, 2004 11:59 PM

I'd much rather him get a clip of that, which involves no explaining, just a little snicker.
I meant to say I'd much rather him get a glimpse of Janet at the Super Bowl than the orgasm commercial.

Also if you misunderstood my statement about Callahan, I hope it wasn't coming across like my opinion mattered in the firing of him. We all know thats not true, I was just trying to say I as a fan thought he shoulda been outta there.

Posted by mb on February 6, 2004 12:03 AM

I still say that Jason handled things in a very "Messy" way like he always does, but I guess that is the type of person that he is, one that you can never turn your back on. oh yeah the only reason he got along with Dick Motta was because Motta kissed his A--.

I am still a fan but I just don't like the way he handles things.

Anyway does anyone have any dirt on any other professional athletes?

Why are the new Nets owners so determined to move the team to New York , they already have the Knicks
I think they should stay right where they are by the way when is this move supposed to happened?

Posted by D.D. on February 6, 2004 11:40 PM

I meant to say when is this move supposed to happen, not happened sorry I am trying to eat and type with one hand .

Posted by D.D. on February 6, 2004 11:46 PM

I think the Brooklyn thing will fall through. I still think they will end up staying in NJ.

Posted by the real anonymous on February 8, 2004 1:20 AM

You know what, I never see or hear from Joumana anymore. They never show her at the games, and if she is there, she doesn't sit anywhere really noticable. I never see her on Extra anymore or NBATV (but maybe because I don't watch those two things as much anymore). I wonder what's up with her. Maybe she is finally over her whole spotlight thing. I wonder how her and Jason are doing.

Posted by Anonymous on February 8, 2004 1:22 AM

The problem is that Jason is VERY SMART when it comes to the game of basketball. I think he would make an excellent coach. I think he is SMARTER than his coaches and it probably frustrates him to the point where he feels like coaching the team himself. He's knows SO MUCH about the game and he wants to win. He wants a coach who knows how to win. The problem is it's hard to find many coaches that are as smart as Jason. There aren't many.

Posted by Anonymous on February 8, 2004 1:25 AM

Anonymous, well see if she's over her whole spotlight thing,it's not playoff time yet I think that is when I've seen her most and don't forget All-Star weekend is coming up that is another time when she puts in her appearances,look for her this weekend if they don't show her maybe she has given up the spotlight,but I really doubt it, as for Jason being smart I don't know about that!

Posted by D.D. on February 10, 2004 12:09 AM

Joumana no longer sits courtside. In fact, sometimes I don't think she even shows up at the game. She has declined all interviews, not like her at all. Something must be up.

Posted by Anonymous on February 10, 2004 4:50 PM

Maybe she finally came to her senses lol

Naw but for real, we'll find out during the playoffs if she's over the whole spotlight thing. That's when she shows up the most.

Posted by Shawn on February 12, 2004 2:01 PM

Does anyone know if Joumana is involved in NBATV's coverage of All Star Weekend?

Posted by Anonymous on February 14, 2004 3:08 AM

Anonymous, what I am talking about is that I know of two people who went to the Kidd's house to introduce themselves when they first moved in, but did not know nor did they care who they were because really, they are nobody special, especially her. What I am trying to say is that everyone here seems to idolize Jason and Joumanna Kidd and there is nothing to idolize - they are regular ghetto people with money.

Anyway, so these two people go to introduce themselves to make the new neighbors feel comfortable in the new neighborhood and they bought them a cheese cake as a welcome gift and when they were asked to go inside they were not even asked to sit down. Jason just sat on his couch and didn't even get up to introduce himself. What Iam saying is that this couple take themselves too serious and they think they are special. My friends were not trying to get into their lives, they just wanted to welcome their new neighbors but they did not even say thank you for the gesture. Anyway, so they exchanged phone numbers and guess what? Joumanna gave them the wrong number. When my friend went to call her to see if she wanted to get together for lunch (mind you she did not know who she or he was)she found out that the number was that of someone else. How tacky is that????

As far as the Knispel thing I just think it is unnecessary to do something so stupid. Nobody has a nameplate on their house in Saddle River - I know - I live in the same neighborhood! They think they are the only famous and rich people here - they are wrong. There are many rich and many famous basketball, baseball and all sort of athletes as well as artists, rappers, doctors and business people here and they dont put fake names on their gates.
Anyway gotta go I'll check back later.

Posted by zoo on February 14, 2004 12:05 PM

First of all, neither Kidd nor Joumana are "ghetto people". Kidd grew up in a middle class neighborhood and attended a Catholic school. He is far from ghetto. Joumana is Middle Eastern and only black if you consider Egyptians black. She isn't exactly ghetto material. You can tell just by speaking with both of them shortly that they are not ghetto.

Sorry, but people are allowed idolize one of the best basketball players in the history of the game. Kidd isn't "normal" and neither is his wife. She works in television. She is on NATIONAL television, to be exact. To some people, that, combined with being married to one of the greatest NBA players ever qualifies her as famous. If your friends really couldn't tell who Jason and Joumana were after visiting them and even exchanging numbers, then they are very clueless. Also, Jason and Joumana are VERY image conscious. If regular people approached them, there is no way that they would be rude or not say thank you. They wouldn't do that unless your friends were doing something wrong. As far as not asking them to sit down... The Kidds are busy. Maybe they couldn't drop everything they were doing (do you know how much work there is in moving into a new home while trying to manage 3 young children and many occupational responsibilities?) and have an extended visit from people they didn't know who showed up unexpectedly? It's not being rude, it's having things to do.

Something tells me that what occurred with your friends is kinda the opposite of what you're telling us. It seems like your friends may have indeed tried to pry a little to far into the Kidd's lives and perhaps an incorrect phone number was a sign that they weren't comfortable with your friends or that they thought your friends had some sort of an agenda. Maybe your friends were a little to insisting on exchanging numbers? When you are famous, it's hard to know who to trust and who not to trust. I mean, anyone could have brought a cake to Kidd's door and said they lived down the street. I bet they get random people coming to their house often with random gifts. Again, when you are that famous, you have to be careful of the people around you. Not to that that there is anything wrong with your friends, but just don't take it personally. If they gave their phone number out to everyone, it would get VERY chaotic. (And what do you say, "No, I can't give you my number?" It's an uncomfortable situation, so giving out any number may have been a better option. (Many they do this for other people too. Famous people get asked for their numbers all of the time.)

And oh yeah, the Kidd's estate is gated for a reason. Perhaps they don't want a lot of company from neighbors (can you even call them neighbors? The houses aren't exactly on top of each other). Joumana has said though that the people in her neighborhood have been great, so I doubt that they are completely antisocial when it comes to neighbors.

You seem bitter for whatever reason. Don't be offended if the Kidds didn't exactly welcome your friends with open arms. I mean, I don't have most of my neighbors numbers and if I made myself available for lunch with all of them I would go insane and I am not even famous.

Also, the Kidds bought the house from someone else. Perhaps the name plate was already there?

Posted by Anonymous on February 15, 2004 1:31 AM

Geez, YOU yourself must find Kidd to be famous and special otherwise you wouldn't know his wife's name and you would have never found this board in the first place.

Posted by Anonymous on February 15, 2004 1:32 AM

Maybe they just didn't want your friends having their number. Your friend wanted a lunch date, but the Kidds are busy. Maybe they don't want to involve themselves in things like that that they don't have time for. You take things too personally. Like the other person said, if they gave their number to every neighbor that came to their door in anticipation that they would call back to make plans, I think the Kidds would go crazy. It's not possible.

Posted by Anonymous on February 15, 2004 1:44 AM

Anonymous,why does being ghetto have to be associated with being black,not all black people are ghetto!

Posted by D.D. on February 15, 2004 2:30 AM

That was my point. Just because Kidd is black, it doesn't mean that he is ghetto.

Posted by Anonymous on February 15, 2004 6:30 PM

It seemed like zoo was calling Kidd ghetto because he is black.

Posted by Anonymous on February 15, 2004 6:31 PM

did y'all catch the NBA All Stars thingy last night? it comes on again tonight and Jasonwill be playing, lets just hope he can play a good game. As for the janet/justin thing, so what is she wants to show her boobs so let it be. get over it the woman is grown and justin knew what he was doing. talking about he doesn't need to do thingslike that to get publicity. he's a shady littli dick. excuse me.

Posted by mimi on February 15, 2004 6:35 PM

Even rich people can be ghetto,just because you have money doesn't mean you have class,just because Jason was raised in an upper middle class neighborhood doesn't make him anyless ghetto than anyone else, look
at his past record.

Zoo,wasn't saying that Jason was ghetto because he is half black, he was saying it because of the way Jason and Joumana acted towards his friends,I don't think were being Ghetto,it was more like being rude and stuck-up and looking down their noses at other people.

However in their defense as far as giving out their phone number to strangers that's not the wisest thing to do,considering he is a ball player,so I can kinda understand why she did that !

Did anyone see her at the all-star game this weekend ,I saw T.J, but not his mother?

Posted by D.D. on February 16, 2004 2:24 AM

By the way Zoo,I apologize for calling you a "he"I
don't know if you are male or female, so I am sorry.

Posted by D.D. on February 16, 2004 2:27 AM

zoo,i don't like that your stereotypical comment about the fact that jouamana is middle eastern she cannot be ghetto!i dont give a fuck who she is but dont assume all black fols is ghetto that just proves you are a fuking racist!!!

Posted by post on February 16, 2004 10:35 AM

No one assumed all black people were ghetto. Kidd isn't ghetto. He wasn't brought up that way. Neither was Joumana. Zoo called both Jason and Joumana ghetto. I think he was using the wrong word. Maybe we all have different definitions of ghetto.

Posted by Anonymous on February 16, 2004 3:32 PM

Joumana was at the All Star Game. She was doing interviews for NBATV and she also attended the ceremony to retire Jason's college jersey on Saturday night. She interviewed Jason before the game last night. They are a gorgeous looking couple, I must say.

Posted by the real anonymous on February 16, 2004 3:35 PM

Anonymous, are you saying that because Jason was raised in an upper middle class neighborhood with his Irish-Catholic mother and because Joumana is of Middle Eastern heritage that they can't be considered ghetto,pleeeeeease even you don't believe that, there is ghetto in every race.

post, I think you might have your people mixed up

As for Joumana giving up the spotlight ,I knew that was to good to be true, she just took a little break

Posted by D.D. on February 17, 2004 2:02 AM

Jason's mother is my first cousin (my mother was a Molloy, too), and I resent anyone calling our family "ghetto". We come from a good family, and there is nothing wrong with being Irish & Catholic. I remember my Aunt Peggy telling me years ago (when Jason was in high school) that someday he would be worth millions of dollars. I figured she was just saying that because she was his great aunt, and proud of his basketball talents. She used to video tape his games, and showed them to me. I was really surprised when I'd talked to people later and they said they knew who he was. I'm a hockey fan, and I don't watch any other sports. One of these days I'd like to watch Jason play basketball in person.

Posted by Catherine on February 17, 2004 3:25 AM

I must say, I agree more with anonymous. However, just because the Kidds were raised middle class or whatever, doesn't mean they can't act, or be ghetto. I haven't seen a ghetto side of Joumana, just a bitchy side. Again that is my personal opinion.
Also I probably wouldn't give out my number either, but I wouldn't give the wrong one. I would have just took their number. Maybe would have called, maybe wouldn't have. You do have to be careful of people period, you can't just be so trustworthy. Thats why I agree with anonymous on that point. Jason has acted ghetto in his days, but I haven't seen that recently.
So zoo, I don't think their actions to their new neighbors were ghetto, just apprehensive. People throw the word ghetto around too freely. Zoo, what is your definition of ghetto anyway? Only people who are, or have acted ghetto know what ghetto truly is. So are you, or have you been around ghetto folks to be able to make that assumption? I'm not defending the Kidds because I could care less either way, however, I am just curious how you came to that conclusion.
The neighbors might not have been trying to pry, but the Kidds were possibly just being careful. They were strangers to them. Your friends could have been people that didn't even live in the neighborhood for all they know. The Kidds could have already been informed or introduced to the neighbors that they did open up to. For example, in the bay, if somebody moves into the Oakland hills, or Blackhawk (a very prominant, exclusive neighborhood), 9 times out of 10, they have already been informed of neighbors who are well known. Sometimes that is a selling point when you are trying to sell prime real estate to those clients. And they have children to consider when they handle their personal lives as well. I could be way off base, but that is a possibility.
I'm not a Kidd fan, but if that is what happened, I must say I could understand.

Posted by mb on February 17, 2004 3:41 AM

Catherine ,I never said there was anything wrong with being Irish-Catholic, I was trying to prove a point to anonymous, because he or she feels that if Jason was raised in an upper middle class neighborhood then there is no way he can be ghetto!

Posted by D.D. on February 17, 2004 4:43 PM

Catherine, do tell us more about Jason and his family. Any little info would be interesting to hear. Many people here are big fans of him.

Posted by Anonymous on February 17, 2004 4:52 PM

Jason wasn't brought up to be ghetto, okay? Usually when your in a nice neighborhood and you have parents who are teaching you good morals and values and you have just as much money as the other kids and and you aren't on the streets all the time getting in trouble and street talking or whatever and you are accepted in a nice school and you don't feel inferior, you tend to not turn out ghetto. Again, everyone considers ghetto to be something different. Maybe Jason tried to act a little ghetto to fit in with guys like Gary Payton, but he doesn't come across as ghetto at all. What I consider ghetto is probably different than what you consider to be ghetto. Joumana does not do anything to make her seem ghetto at all either.

And I think it would be hard to just not give your phone number to the other person...

Zoo's friend: Would you like to exchange phone numbers?

Joumana: Well you can give me yours but you can't have mine.


Zoo's friend: How about exchanging numbers?

Joumana: Nah, I'm too busy for you.

Posted by Anonymous on February 17, 2004 5:07 PM

Well anonymous I was agreeing with you until that last post. I wouldn't respond that way if I didn't want to give out my number.

How about?
Zoo's friend: How about exchanging numbers?

Joumana: You can give me your number and I will call you when we get a little more settled in.

To me that would be better that giving them the wrong number and having to face them knowing you did so. But if thats how you roll, then hey, thats you. I would rather have them say I never called or was reluctant to give my telephone number at all than to say I gave them the wrong one. Or even give them the cell. Heck I do that now. Most people get the hint. If they call you out on why you haven't called back or returned the message, then deal with that. It's easier than to deal with somebody confronting you for giving them the wrong number. They are going to talk about you either way. I'd rather keep it real than be scared and give them a fake number.

Posted by mb on February 18, 2004 2:04 AM

Anonymous, what is your definition of ghetto. Some people are raised in the ghetto, not by choice, and grow up with ghetto ways. That is all they know. Some grow up in the ghetto and are very intelligent. Some are around just plain ole ghetto folks, or have ghetto in them for whatever reason. Some parents that raise their children in nice neighborhoods, or are very wealty, and rich used to be or are still ghetto. So just because you grow up in a nice neighborhood or middle class, doesn't mean you can't be ghetto. A high percentage of older African American's (and other races) grew up in surroundings and circumstances we would never believe possible and made a better life for their children, but can still be ghetto. Jason's parents might have grew up ghetto. We don't know how he they grew up. Yes Jason did grow up in a middle class neighborhood, and whats your point? Yes Gary acts ghetto, but he didn't grow up ghetto. I went to high school with Gary. The best public high school (at the time) in Oakland. His parents have a nice home they kept even though Gary has more than enough to get them a house in the hills. His neighborhood wasn't the best, but he didn't grow up ghetto so to speak. And believe me, Jason was around friends of mine back in his party days, and he acted ghetto and ignorant all on his own. My boys used to have to calm his ass down because he was such an ghetto ass idiot at times. He has definitely came a long way, but I don't think he acted that way to keep up, or show off for his buddies.
Also, what about the people who grew up ghetto, poverty stricken, and DON'T act ghetto?

I think unless you know the true meaning of ghetto, or unless you grew up ghetto, than you should chill on the trying to explain.

I grew up with, and still have some ghetto patnas. Early in high school, I was in the GHETTO! every day hanging out, because thats where my folks were. Hell I still have some ghetto in myself sometimes. I grew up middle class, so what would you say to that?

Posted by mb on February 18, 2004 2:22 AM

As the saying goes "you can take the child out the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out the child"

Posted by mb on February 18, 2004 2:24 AM

mb, I do think the answer you gave would have been better but maybe it would be hard to come up with that in the spur of the moment? I know I never thought of that when I was trying to think of possible responses. But whatever, for all we know, zoo could be lying about the whole number thing anyway.

Posted by Anonymous on February 18, 2004 4:41 PM

i just stumbled onto to this page searching for info on JKidd for my daughter who thinks he's great- where is this thread from? We met J Kidd & he was nothing but wonderful to my kids, polite etc.

Posted by RAV on February 18, 2004 4:45 PM

Ghetto in the dictionary means a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure or a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity.

It's really such a broad definition, so you really can't say that a person has a wrong interpretation of ghetto.

To me, when I see gangs of people on the streets all the time speaking ebonics, I consider them ghetto. When I see really poor areas with people that do not have as many privileges and opportunities as others and therefore have plenty of time to walk the streets, cause trouble, and speak ebonics, I consider them ghetto. When there is a group of minorities that seems somewhat isolated from others, I consider that to be a possible ghetto situation. I really can't stand the ebonics thing. That just really screams out ghetto. If your parents teach you morals and values and teach you to value education and proper english, you aren't going to speak ebonics and you have a less chance of coming across as ghetto. Jason's parents weren't ghetto. Jason needed to act ghetto to fit in with the guys around him and to look cool around the trash talking, ebonics speaking, I don't care about school or ethics, kids.

Posted by Anonymous on February 18, 2004 4:58 PM

RAV, plenty of Jason Kidd insiders have been here. But there are also some insiders that hate him and like to spread rumors about him. Also, Kidd has a bit of a turbulent past, which is why there are some negative things to say about him. He has matured tremendously though and is now a model citizen.

Posted by Anonymous on February 18, 2004 5:00 PM

Being a Social studies teacher, the term ghetto has many more global meanings than our americanized meaning.... Being ghetto right now is trendy, whether Kidd was doing it to fit in or not .... well w/e. Kids from rural areas act ghetto to fit in.....

Posted by RAV on February 18, 2004 5:17 PM

I agree partially, but I asked for your definition of ghetto, not the dictionary term. I thought maybe I would understand why you came to some of the conclusions you did based on YOUR defintion.
Anyway, RAV, yes Jason seems to be a very nice, and mature man now. Some things could be rumor, but some arent. Jason isn't a MODEL citizen, however, I think he has came a long way. No one is perfect none the less.
If I were you I wouldn't let your daughter read the site. If she likes Jason, she might want to go to another site that is less contoversial.

Posted by mb on February 19, 2004 2:51 AM

Well, I base my definition on the dictionary one. I can't just go and make up meanings of words now. The dictionary has a definition and I follow it.

Why isn't Jason a model citizen now? What has he done wrong in the past 3 years?

Posted by Anonymous on February 19, 2004 4:51 PM

Ok anonymous, so you use every single word literally. Right. The first meaning in webster also says "a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live". Some people assume things. Also according to your "dictionary" meaning of ghetto, there are a lot of ghetto celebrities. Sidney Poitier, Leonardo DiCaprio, Ashley Judd, Missy Elliot, Martin Luther King Jr., and many more prominent pepople. These people all grew up "ghetto". Would you still consider them ghetto? Would you say, "Ashley Judd is ghetto!"? You wouldn't. According your literal definition, they are, but I wouldn't consider them ghetto. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you grew up in the ghetto, doesn't make you ghetto. If you didn't grow up in the ghetto, doesn't mean you can't be ghetto. Our generation uses ghetto as a term, not by the literal definition. Hell the literal definition of nigger in websters says, "a black person", and "a member of any dark-skinned race", but you wouldn't go around saying nigger to a black person because your going by the literal term. You would get whupped on real quick. That is the reason I asked you YOUR definition. And I'm sure that what was meant when Zoo said ghetto. People throw the term around when it is convenient, then want to get literal when someone is talking about someone they like.
And RAV you kind of contradicted yourself. You said people act ghetto to fit in. ???? If ghetto is a environment you grow up in, how can you act ghetto? Especially if you didn't grow up in the ghetto, how would you know what it is? Again, Gary does act ghetto, but he didn't grow up in the ghetto. At least he is consistent, thats him, he doesn't act different when he's around other people or on TV. His ass is still ghetto! All the time.
Anyway, I didn't say that Jason did something wrong in the last 3 years, I just don't think he is a MODEL citizen. Period. A model citizen would spend time with ALL his children.

Posted by mb on February 20, 2004 3:34 AM

Geez, I expanded upon the dictionary definition, but I still use it.

Posted by Anonymous on February 20, 2004 5:44 PM

Haha, Missy Elliot? Ghetto, ghetto, ghetto.

Posted by Anonymous on February 20, 2004 5:45 PM

The Jew definition doesn't apply here. The third definition applies much better.

And no one knows the circumstances of Jason, Jr, so I refuse to hold that against Kidd.

People basically develop into ghetto thanks to their parents. The parents are the people that spend most of the time with their children when they are youngsters. That is the time when the children are molded. If they don't learn it there, then they may get it from their environment. Then it would be acting ghetto. Ah, it's such a vast concept.

mb, curious, what is your definition of ghetto?

Posted by Anonymous on February 20, 2004 5:54 PM

Hahahahaha, I knew you would pick Missy out of that group of people, thats why I put her name in there. Your so easy to read. What was your response to the others? Anyhow, whats so ghetto about Missy? She doesn't act ghetto when you see her on TV. She is always very nice and sweet with a big ole smile. Also she doesn't speak ebonics. I already know why you say that though, I don't want you to confuse us or yourself anymore.
Anyway since you claim you use the dictionary version and you won't say you have your own interpretation, then why should I explain to you my definition? You contradict yourself also, you say they may get it from their environment. If (per the definition) its where you come from, and you weren't raised in the ghetto, how can you act it? So confusing you are.
Also you say the Jew definition (which is #1 I may add) doesn't apply here, then how can you say you go by the literal definition? You are the one who said you don't go making up definitions, so who are you to say that, and pick and choose which ones you want to use? You just refuse to admit you were going by your interpretation because you really couldn't give a valid excuse on how you can say people can or can't be ghetto. You have probably never been to a ghetto, or around people who come from the GHETTO. Or is it just that you don't want to keep it real and really admit what YOU think ghetto is? Now you are even saying people develop into ghetto because of their parents. I'm very very confused right now. You say you use the literal term, then say people develop into it because of their parents. Hmmmm, if your not raised in the ghetto and you grow up middle class, but your parents were, I guess by your reasoning (I don't know if it's still literal at this point), you can still be ghetto.
After all that you finally give your interpretation, and ladies and gentlemen, here is an excerpt from that post:
"When there is a group of minorities that seems somewhat isolated from others, I consider that to be a possible ghetto situation. I really can't stand the ebonics thing. That just really screams out ghetto." I thought you said you go by the literal term. You sound as ignorant as so called "ghetto" folks. Whether or not Jason's parents grew up ghetto or in the ghetto, ebonics wasn't even a term then. That was brought about by some ignorant fool who tried to take slang to another level, it is a made up dialect. I have heard ebonics when it was on the news because they were trying to bring it into the Oakland Public School system. Again I have and have been around alot of people who are from the ghetto, and I have yet to hear them speak "ebonics". Slang yes, ebonics no. I'm not even going to get into the ebonics thing, it had nothing to do with ghetto. Also, if you go to the deep country, some people you can't even understand because their slang is so strong. Are they ghetto?
I'm so done with this subject with you because you make no sense.

Posted by mb on February 21, 2004 2:42 AM

Who the hell cares who is Ghetto and who isn't. The point is Jason lives in Saddle Brook not Saddle River! Retarts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous on February 21, 2004 11:59 AM

Uh, nice try, but stupid idea because I'm not familiar with the others... sorry. Missy Elliot is the only one that I have followed. I have heard about her childhood only, not the others. I don't know anything about the way Martin Luther King grew up and I can't even name a movie that Ashley Judd appeared in and the only thing that I can think of when I think of Leonardo DiCaprio is Titanic. So unless I was familiar with the others, I couldn't comment on them.

Posted by Anonymous on February 21, 2004 11:08 PM

I have already said that I have EXPANDED upon the dictionary definition. I used my own thoughts to EXPAND upon it.

And to me, all those hip hop, rapper people are so ghetto.

Posted by Anonymous on February 21, 2004 11:17 PM

I said it comes from the PARENTS (or the people they grow up with in their home). I said children may ACT ghetto even if they haven't been brought up that way because of their ENVIRONMENT. You sure know how to put words in my mouth and make assumptions about me.

I am not talking about slang. I am talking about ebonics. PLENTY of NBA players for example speak that ebonics crap and they are ghetto. I have been surrounded by PLENTY of people that consider themselves ghetto and I have been to actual ghettos before.

Again, I have used the dictionary definition which applies here (there are 3 definitions listed in my dictionary. They aren't fake definitions... you make it sound like the 3rd definition is made up or something. The Jewish one doesn't apply because we aren't really talking about sections that are reserved for Jews) to formulate my own beliefs about what ghetto is. You won't tell me your definition because you don't really know what is considered to be ghetto do you? Again, it's hard. It's such a broad term that is used way too frequently.

Again, for the millionth time, I have EXPANDED (EXPANDED!) upon the dictionary definition to relate it to what wewere originally talking about, which was whether or not Jason and Joumana were ghetto. If you believe the Jew definition applies here, then no they aren't ghetto because they don't live in a section closed off for Jews. Haha, this example makes it so obvious that you must EXPAND upon the applicable dictionary definition to relate it to what your talking about.

Posted by Anonymous on February 21, 2004 11:30 PM

Uh, to the other anonymous... Kidd lives in Saddle River, not Saddlebrook. I don't think you should be calling us retarDs.

Posted by Anonymous on February 21, 2004 11:31 PM

Happy Anniversary Jason and Joumana.

It is their 7th. Hopefully they enjoy their marriage for years to come.

Posted by the real anonymous on February 21, 2004 11:55 PM

"Well, I base my definition on the dictionary one. I can't just go and make up meanings of words now. The dictionary has a definition and I follow it." Thatís what you said when I asked you for YOUR definition, and also when I gave you the number 1 literal term. Now youíre saying "I have already said that I have EXPANDED upon the dictionary definition. I used my own thoughts to EXPAND upon it." Can you please tell me which one you want to use? I'm sure I'm not the only confused 1. Expand, literal, Expand, literal. Now do you understand how silly you sound? And all because you refuse to admit, you have your own perception of ghetto, and from what I'm getting from your comments, sound a little racist.

Chill already I said. You have already expressed thatís how you feel. You don't need to explain yourself any further because you sound sillier.
If you don't know what movies Ashley Judd played in, you live under a rock.
Then you say the Jew definition doesn't fit in here. Well then what are we referring to, as far as the LITERAL term you keep referencing? Because thatís talking about an environment, and unless you grew up that way, that is not your place to refer to it, because you wouldn't know.
And youíre getting so upset about the literal term; youíre the one who brought up the literal definition in the first place. I told you to keep it real. At first you said you went by the literal definition because you don't go making up things, then you said you expanded, whatever.
If that is your definition of ghetto, you have a long way to go. You say you have been to a ghetto, yeah right. What ghettos have you been in? Especially where they speak Ebonics?
Also you keep referring to Ebonics. Huh? Have you heard Ebonics? It sounds like when Robert Townsend was mocking the typecast slaves in the movies. I don't hear people talking Ebonics. Maybe country, or slang. Ebonics is at a whole different level.

And if you believe I don't know what ghetto is because I refuse to elaborate for you, than I guess your right, as usual. Even if I explained my perception of ghetto, I doubt you would be able to relate, or better yet understand. I feel for you, you have a lot to learn.

Posted by mb on February 25, 2004 3:04 AM

You need to chill. I follow a dictionary definition and expand upon it. Of course it's not literal. That word never came out of my mouth. It's reading a definition and then relating it to your thoughts. It's not just making up something out of thin air. It's going to the dictionary, finding out what it is, and applying it to my thoughts. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that. The only dictionary definition that seems way off base is the Jew one, so I can't really relate that one to what I'm trying to say. I base my feelings about the word ghetto after getting a feel for what it means in the dictionary. I thought that came across multiple times, but you keep referring to this literal nonsense. Why can't a person go to a dictionary, get a sense for what a word means, and then apply it to their thoughts?

In the dictionary, it says that ghetto is "an isolated group" and "a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity". This relates to my thoughts of ghetto, which I have explained multiple times. You can even look at this definition, "a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure". Now I'm not necessarily thinking about a quarter of a city, but the whole social and economic pressure thing totally relates to what I was trying to say. Again, this is reading a definition, getting a feel for a word (not just making up a definition out of thin air), and basing my thoughts around this definition. It's a broad term. The definition can be expanded. You have yet to tell me what you consider to be ghetto. You just keep putting down my thoughts.

How incredible that you can call me racist when you don't know me and have read maybe 4 paragraphs of my writing. If I was racist, wouldn't I assume that Jason Kidd was ghetto because he was black? I'm the one who started this and said that Kidd WASN'T ghetto!! Zoo seemed racist for calling Kidd ghetto.

Sorry, I must live under a rock. I didn't know it was common knowledge which movies Ashley Judd has appeared in. I mean, there are probably plenty of people out there that have never heard of her, nevermind know what movies she was in. I, myself, am not really into many movies so no, I am not familiar with Ashley Judd. But yeah, I guess I deserve to get made fun of for that.

Posted by Anonymous on February 25, 2004 3:42 PM

Yup, I'm sure I couldn't possibly relate to your sophisticated meaning of ghetto that you refuse to provide.

Maybe what you consider to be slang, I consider to be ebonics. You know the ebonics translator website? Haha, that kind of language is what I was talking about. Perhaps this website and in turn, myself, are using the word ebonics incorrectly, but that's a whole different story.

Posted by Anonymous on February 25, 2004 3:48 PM

Your right, I won't give my definition. So anyway.
I was just quoting what you said.
That's it, that's all! And Jason isn't all black, and some tend to think since he isn't, he is different.

Posted by mb on February 25, 2004 4:00 PM

Good, I am glad we are ending the ghetto discussion. You quoted two of my sentences and left out the important ones, but whatever. Apparently you understood what I said because you really have nothing to say in return. Anyway, if you are part black, you are black, at least in today's society, so if you are still implying that I am racist, you really need to stop. Ok, I am done.

Posted by Anonymous on February 25, 2004 4:55 PM

This is a question for anyone that knows. I was on another website and some guy on there was saying that Jason's father Steven Kidd is mixed (black and white) and that Jason is most likely 1/4 black and 3/4 white. Not that it really matters but do any of ya'll know if that's true? I've never seen Jason's father before, so I was just curious.

Posted by Shawn on March 1, 2004 2:15 AM

Shawn, Jason's father was a black man, I don't think he was of mixed race, at least not the man that I saw on televison, unless Jason has another father that we don't know about his father is African American.

Posted by D.D. on March 1, 2004 3:19 AM

No, Jason is half and half.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 1, 2004 4:00 PM

OK thanks ya'll

Posted by Shawn on March 1, 2004 11:57 PM

hey anyone still out there?

Posted by rav on March 3, 2004 5:14 PM

Yes. Anyone know if Joumana has made the annual west coast road trip with Jason like she usually does? They are in their hometown today, so I'm wondering if Joumana went.

Posted by Anonymous on March 4, 2004 5:16 PM

Come on, turn on NBATV and see if Joumana's doing interviews from the west coast or not. SOMEONE has to have NBATV.

Posted by Anonymous on March 5, 2004 1:47 PM


Posted by RAV on March 5, 2004 6:37 PM

It's a leopard or a panther... one of those.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 5, 2004 7:00 PM

we thought maybe it was a scorpion or something! Thanks

Posted by RAV on March 6, 2004 11:55 AM

I love the tattoo on Kidd's ring finger. That is the sweetest thing that you could do for your wife.

Posted by Anonymous on March 6, 2004 4:34 PM

All right I'm back. Only for a second, I can't get all caught up in this. It honestly saddens me. Especially since I know who the negative, rummer starters are. VAL! You are so wrong to be so nasty. Joumana welcomed you into her home. She is the one who talked your mom into letting you move in with them. She got all your paper work done so you could go to Ramzi High. You are mad and jealous because your mother loves Joumana, TJ, Miah and Jazelle so much. Your mom is there all the time. She even volunteers to sleep over to avoid the drive. Joumana pretty much gave your mom the Cad Escalade so that she can gift it to your brother. You are so ungrateful. For Christmas she sent your family to the Four Seasons, got your ass a $2,000 sweet, dinner and theater tickets. When you tagged along on the private charter to Phoenix last year Joumana took you clothes shopping and got you anything you wanted. Val you are a young girl with issues and serious insecurities. It is not fair to make up mean hurtful things about someone because you are simply envious. The worst possible thing you can do is talk about someone's parenting skills. I know Joumana loves her kids more than anything in the world. The reason you have not seen her at the games so much this season is because she started a developmental deal with Sony TV. TJ sits behind the bench now at the games because he pretends to be a ball boy. He is with his father for heavens sake. Yes, on New Years Joumana sat at the table with Jason's mother and Aaron Williams wife. Sorry she wasn't glued to the game there was no nanny there...she is his wife not a crazed fan. No, she does not always drive TJ to school, but she does spend countless hours hand painting and making TJ blocks of the players that he wants her to make, she spends all afternoon with him, she goes out to dinner with his his teacher. As far as the two strange, no life, fancy car, do lunch, no children having women who came to the Kidds home with that frozen cheesecake two days after they moved in. Are you serious? It was a world wind, they just landed in NJ......they actually lived driving distance so don't call yourself neighbors. FYI Benzino who lived next door at the time was over and ate the cheesecake, so he should have sent a thank you! So to Val and all the little no life, prom going, issue having high school kids, this is not a way to live your life because people have feelings. What goes around comes around. Jason and Joumana have a really cute Nike commercial out, check it out. Also, why is it OK for Shaques wife to work for Access Hollywood and Alanzos wife to work for NBA TV but Joumana who happens to be a great reporter and is genuinely nice can't. NOW GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK

Posted by pink on March 8, 2004 3:13 AM

hey ya'll,
Does ne-one know what j's tatoo is or says on his left ring finger? I do agree that is the sweetest thing to do! (especially since it's rare to see ballers wearin their rings all the time)
Another thing... pink does the Jason and Joumana's nike commercial air everywhere? I'd love to see it! I don't get much coverage of the nets here in MN!
Also, I was watchin the Best Damn Sports Show tonight and it said that J Kidd, Derek Jeter, NY giants shockey.. were all haning out with jayson williams(the former net on trial) ... just wondering if anyone else has heard of it and if they get to hang out much. Peace out!

Posted by tor on March 9, 2004 2:32 AM

PINK IS MY HERO. You have this incredible inside connection to the Kidds and I still can't figure out how it works (does Joumana really pour her heart out to her co-worker about her personal life who then relays the info to you? I think you know them better than we think :) I LOVE YOUR POSTS!!! I seriously read them slowly because I don't want them to end!!!

When she's not driving TJ to school, what is she doing? Does she just sleep late with Jason or does she go to work that early? Does she still work for Extra? And what's this Sony thing about? Is she going to be in shows or something? And who's Val? And what do you mean by making blocks of players? haha. You don't have to answer these if you're too busy.

Thanks again for the info! It's greatly appreciated!

Posted by Anonymous on March 9, 2004 3:47 AM

I'm afraid of Jason hanging out with Jayson Williams. That guy really likes his guns. He shot his own dog for goodness sake. Jason better watch out. Jayson may be funny and nice, but he has a darkside, a major gun addiction.

Posted by Anonymous on March 9, 2004 3:49 AM

Hey tor,
is is true that Kevin Garnett is engaged? I watched craig kilborn and on all star weekend and Craig said something like... your girl cooks some heavy cream sauced pasta before games for you....IT WAS HILARIOUS b'c KG was totally smiling the hole time and I was wondering if the lady he was wilth at the GQ party was his guest, friend, girfriend or even fiance??????? PLEASE update! I don't get much kg news in NJ!
Ps. I think J Kidd has some sore of design on his wedding finger... I don't think it says anything? But I couldn't tell for sure... I wish they'd show a close up of his left hand!!!!!

Posted by kgfan'n'NJ on March 11, 2004 10:50 PM

I know-- the show will re-air this Friday!!! I'm gonna tape It this time!
well... I do believe so! although.. I don't think Kevin Himself has officially said anything about it, which isn't abnormal for him. As he says, there's two things he don't like to talk about 1) his private life..which is understandable since he is the poster child for the TC. and 2) Malik Sealy... which would be hard.
But he and Brandi Padilla have been dating for about three years... she has been his live-in girlfriend for all three(rumored). She is now wearing an even bigger rock now! Last year in Jan she had a nice sparkly one....but now.. WOW!!! I have read a few articles in The Star Tribune that have had Very intersting info on the couple. But yeah.. I think it is true that they're engaged because Jimmy Jam(a local famous producer in Minnetonka, who is like a surrogate father to KG) has said "It's official, K.G. and Brandi are engaged. Kevin selected a beautiful ring. He could not have done better if Oprah and my wife had gone shopping with him." ISN'T THAT CUTE!!!!
Brandi Padilla is the sister of Jimmy Jam's wife Lisa Harris. I don't know much about her. But I do know that it is very hard for KG to trust people, so I think that she was able to have a very strong relationship with KG because of KG's closeness to Jimmy's family. I know he always spends time with him and his wife and their son Tyler and the twins. Janet Jackson is also a good friend and the godmum of Tyler. I've been out there at the lake on the west side and they all are really nice genuwine people.
If you ever get to watch the Wolves games, a lot of KG's family n friends sit court side kiddy corner of the wolves bench. I must say KG is even more incredible as the man off the court! His sis Ash went off to college now(he's her gardian) but he still has Hype (michael, his adopted son) living with him --which is a whole other great story in itself! I just have to say He is the MVP!!! but neways.. I could ramble on forever about KG n his life... So I'll stop now!!! As I have gathered... this website isn't the friendliest place to JKidd's family... so I hope you all don't get mad about us talkin about a Timberwolf!
peace out

Posted by tor on March 11, 2004 11:25 PM

I am doing a news peice on Jason and would like to speak with any women that Jason is currently having a relationship with.

I will maintain privacy and keep your information private.

If you really know Jason Kidd and really did in fact have a relationship with him and want the truth about him to come out, thn post here and we will figure out a way to get together.

Posted by Jim Moore on March 12, 2004 12:53 AM

where's everyone that used to talk on this site???????

lets get talkin again!!!

Posted by Fan 4Life on March 13, 2004 1:56 AM

Well it has been said here before that the tattoo on Jason's finger says his wife's name. When they get close to it, you can kinda make out a few of the letters.

Posted by Anonymous on March 13, 2004 9:00 PM

Jim Moore, you are full of crap.

Posted by Anonymous on March 13, 2004 9:04 PM

Hey everyone!
NJ is whoopin Sac now!!! will people finally believe in the nets again!! damn.
Well, I just wanted to ask if TJ has every worn that much bling bling at a game or anywhere for that fact! He looked so cute!
hey thanks for your inputs on what Jason's tattoo is on his ring finger. I haven't got anymore news to talk about.'Sota Fan4Life.. peace out!

Posted by tor on March 16, 2004 9:32 PM

First of all I love Jason Kidd!!! In my eyes he is the BEST b-ball player in the NBA. When I saw his nike commercial I was going crazy!! I also love the Nets. They are my favorite team and I watch every game!!! (Go J.Kidd, R.J. and K-Mart!!!!) I even got to go to a game. I don't think I was ever so excited in my life. I thought I was going to faint when I got in the arena and saw Kidd, Jefferson, Martin, Kittles, Williams, Rogers...!! I love all the Nets!!! I was reading some of the old comments about Jason Jr, T.J. Kidd and Joumana. I don't think any of you know the whole story or anything about Jason Kidd's life. I'm not saying I do either but from what I read about Jason Kidd and Joumana they seem to be 2 very smart, intellegent people. They also seem to be very much in love!! It's soooo cute (even though it makes me jealous!! lol!! haha!!) I think it was extremely cruel what people said about T.J. Kidd. I think he is adorable. When I read the comment about him having a medical condition it made me so mad at those people who said the mean stuff about him. Well thats all I have to say!! I will always be a HUGE fan of Jason Kidd and the Nets!!
GO NETS!!!!!

Posted by Netsfan on March 20, 2004 1:18 PM

Does Joumana go on road trips with Jason to do NBATV work? Anyone know?

Posted by Anonymous on March 20, 2004 10:09 PM

Good post Netsfan.

Posted by Anonymous on March 20, 2004 10:11 PM

I think she covers a lot of road games, sometimes with the Nets and sometimes with other teams

Posted by Anonymous on March 21, 2004 6:00 PM

you are all stupid assholes. you're just jealous of Kidd because you don't make 30 million dollars every two seconds, like he does. and joumana is awesome. so shut your mouths before i tape a bar of soap in it.

Posted by Cate on March 21, 2004 9:41 PM

and another thing ... suck a fat one you dirty scumbags. except for NetsFan. props to you for supporting Kidd ...

Posted by Cate on March 21, 2004 9:44 PM


Posted by Cara on March 22, 2004 7:08 PM


Posted by Cara on March 22, 2004 7:32 PM

Ok, this is ridiculous! My friend Cara told me about this website and I had to come and check it out to believe it. Ya'll are seriously trippin'! I went to elementary school with Jason and cannot see him doing 90% of the things you all say. I have only been around Joumana a few times, but each time she was very nice to me. I know you may be fans, but you all know WHY TOO MUCH information about the Kidds. If I were them, I would be very nervous about some of you possibly being stalkers. I know they are public figures, but damn!

And those who do know them, stop sharing all their damn business! How would you feel if someone you knew was sharing all your business, whether good or bad, on the internet? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if "Pink" was actually Joumana trying to set you fools straight.

So, DITTO everything Cara has said.

Posted by Kim on March 22, 2004 9:19 PM

Haha, I think Jason may have changed since elementary school. We aren't stalkers. We are just big fans who like to know about the Kidds. Joumana has put herself in the public eye, so she shouldn't be shocked that people are going to talk about her online. And it's not like we spread the Kidds' personal info all over the internet anyway... It stays on this board that probably not many people see. As a huge Jason Kidd fan, I enjoy learning about him and his kinda famous family. This board is fun.

Posted by Anonymous on March 22, 2004 10:05 PM

Cara Jett huh?? James Jett's X wife??

Posted by Anonymous on March 23, 2004 1:13 AM

Your from the O

Posted by Anonymous on March 23, 2004 1:13 AM




Posted by Cara on March 23, 2004 9:42 AM


Posted by Cara on March 23, 2004 9:47 AM

What up Cara!!!

Posted by Anonymous on March 23, 2004 12:22 PM

Look y'all....Jason is hella cool, hella down to earth, would give his shirt off his back for a friend and is very much in love with his wife....I met Joumana on a couple of occassions, and she was very sweet and cool to hang all ya haters keep on hatin, beacause you will never accomplish or acquire what they have, and all you "lovers" keep on wishin, you will never obtain what SHE has!

Posted by monica on March 23, 2004 12:44 PM

first off i've been reading all of the new posts since my last visit, and i haveto say pink knows alot about the kidd family. that lady catherine makes me kind of suspicious. is she really related to jason? people do lie Karina. but anyways, pink how do you know so much? you are a hero. i just hope you're not joshing me. thanks

Posted by mimi on March 23, 2004 1:13 PM

BTW....Happy Birthday Jason!

Posted by Monica on March 23, 2004 4:12 PM

Happy Birthday, Jason!

Kidd lives on my street and I can assure you that Pink knows his stuff. Who exactly Pink is, I don't know, but I am positive that his/her info is very accurate.

All you anonymouses should post under something different because it is getting confusing. I am the real anonymous and you all need to find a different name. :)

Posted by the real anonymous on March 23, 2004 4:50 PM

To Anonymous:
Sure, people do change but he hasn't deviated much from the person he was then. And I can understand you being a fan, but don't you think you may know TOO MUCH information about someone who is not even related to you?? It makes me wonder what you do during spare time. Maybe I will never understand because I have never been a fan of someone on that level. I don't normally post of boards, but I felt obligated to say something in J's defense.

Secondly, why you sweating my homie Cara so hard? Do we know you? If so, Joumana must know you. And if that is the case, why are you spending so much time doggin' her so bad?? Are you from the O?

And I agree with the "Real Anonymous". Stop hiding behind an alias- come correct with yourself! If you are not a stalker and have nothing to hide, why not say your name??

What's up Monica!!

Posted by Kim on March 23, 2004 5:04 PM

Maybe I'm dumb, but what's the O? I didn't post that, some other anonymous did, I think it's someone who doesn't normally post here since most of the anonymous posts have been mine.

Posted by Anonymous on March 23, 2004 5:09 PM

LOL, who are all these people all of a sudden that claim they know the Kidds and have hung out with them and stuff? Monica? Cara? Kim? You are all friends and are friends of the Kidds as well? And what the hell is the O? And where do you go to hang out with the Kidds?

I don't say anything mean about Joumana. We leave that for a certain Kidd employee who likes to bash her, but I don't think she comes here anymore.

Kim, you act like you're Jason's sister Kim... hmm, maybe you are. Who the hell knows.

Posted by Anonymous on March 23, 2004 5:16 PM

Ok all you Anonymous have me hella confused! Which one are you? If you are the one who knows the Kidds so well, ask them who we are? Yes, we are all friends and yes we are friends with the Kidds, but mostly with Jason. The O is Oakland, my bad.

And no, I am not Kim Kidd. I just because I am defending him doesn't mean I am his sister! Is that how it works in your world- the only people who care to take up for you are your relatives? Well, in our world, and most other peoples, we have our friends backs!

Posted by Kim on March 23, 2004 5:24 PM

To all the Anonymous':

Please leave the Kidds' alone! How would you like if all your business was put up on the net? You probably would as it would satisfy your craving for attention! So lets talk about your mess and see if it's as interesting as your imaginations have created Jason & Joumana's lives to be....

Posted by Monica on March 23, 2004 5:36 PM

I am not friends with the Kidds. I know a lot about them because I am a fan and I know people here in NJ that know the Kidds. I have written most of the anonymous posts recently. The Real Anonymous lives on their street and may know them, so he/she probably knows then better than the other anonymouses here. No, I didn't really think you were his sister, but I couldn't imagine how you were still his close friend when you are from Oakland and he hasn't lived there and has barely visited there since college.

Monica, we are allowed to discuss Kidd info here. This is such a little message board in the middle of nowhere anyway, so it's not like the whole world knows about this stuff or cares. Joumana likes putting herself out there anyway. When you are in the public eye, people are allowed to talk about you. That's just how it is. All of this to me is interesting. We get a lot of people here who are in close contact with the Kidds. It's fun to learn new info and what the Kidds are really like away from the TV cameras.

Pink, do the Kidds know these three girls?

Posted by Anonymous on March 23, 2004 6:42 PM

Posted by Cara on March 23, 2004 6:52 PM

I can't understand your obsession here, maybe your trying to escape your boring life. Maybe you should put more energy into landscaping your dirty backyard... The Kidds are human, just like you and me, and they have a right to privacy. Being public figures by choice should not make them a target for having their private home lives dismantled on this site. Why don't you have fun at your own expense? Probably because it wouldn't be as intersting, right? If you are such a fan, you would respect their privacy. What if Jason invited you over for dinner and had a man to man (or woman)chat with you....would you blab about that on here? Why? For the attention? Think about what you are doing.....and remember, Jason has spent a lot more time in Oakland than he has in Jersey...he knows who his real friends are in the Town...

Posted by Monica on March 23, 2004 7:05 PM

First of all, no I haven't seen Jason nor Joumana in a while. And no, we are not close (1) given the proximity of his home to ours, (2) the fact that he is extremely busy and (3)no one from our little elementary/high school crew has kicked it the last few years (hello, we all have lives, i.e. married, w/children and CAREERS). Yet that doesn't prevent me from defending them. And I am sure if we were in the same situation, Jason may do the same. That is just how it goes down out here. Ask anyone who has grown up with us, and whether they saw him yesterday or hasn't seen him in 10 years, we don't dog each other out in public. It is just not cool! It's called loyality and it seems as if a lot of people on this board lack it.

I think Monica is just tired out hearing all this bullshit and she is trying to do her part to stop all the damn negativity. I think it is perfectly fine to talked about what he did on the court, and maybe even speculate on some of the dirt that is out there. But to continously trash the Kidds on this site is uncalled for. They are public figures but they are also human beings. You may think Joumana is a bitch- so what! You may think Jason cheated, Ok- but he is not the first. Say it once and move the fuck on!

I may sound irritated and may be taking out on you, Annoymous. I am just tired of people not allowing celebrities to live theirs lives. Now, this is my last message because I am going to continue living mine.

P.S. If Pink does know the Kidds and ask who is Kim, Monica and Cara from the O (or from the A-Z as Cara puts it!), I quarantee you there would be no questions.

I'm Outty!

Posted by Kim on March 23, 2004 7:50 PM



Posted by Cara on March 23, 2004 8:07 PM

hope he gets better in time for the NETS to run all over the EAST IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS board is now becoming an offical joke. What.. What? I mean, come on! First we got haters hatin on haters... get over it! It ain't like JKidd EVER READS THIS BOARD... n there fore.... ne FAMILY MEMBER of JKIDD's... GET OVER IT ya'll.

This should be a fun board to talk to JKIDD FANS... after all.. most of us are fans of this Ball Play!
Everyone needs to stop takin things PERSONALLY... U are not JASON or Joumana. I found this board not so long ago... I get a kick out of it. It is a place I come because I am a fan n the (most) people here keep it real..... PERIOD.

Posted by tor on March 24, 2004 12:12 AM

Monica, I understand what you are saying. However, both Jason and Joumana have gone out of their way recently to share their personal lives with the public. There are plenty of times last year when Joumana would do interviews and talk strictly about home life, mentioning very little basketball. Jason had MTV cameras in his house for days last year and the year before, and not to tape his basketball, but to tape his personal life, his every move. They show us their master bedroom, their closets, their bathrooms. They tell us all about their kids. I mean, these are some personal things here, but they still tell us them. They put themselves out there. They want people to know about them, their kids, etc. They know what fans like... Fans like to know who their idols really are. Jason and Joumana try to get the public to know who they really are by doing things like inviting the media into their home to observe their personal lives. It's just how they are.

My life is fine, but I don't think it's abnormal to have weird obsessions, and mine happens to be Kidd. I can't get enough of him. I want to know everything about him. It's not being a stalker. It's being a crazy fan. Ridiculous, I know, but I can't help it. I will be this obsessed until he retires. But I'm not going to stalk him or drive by his house or anything.

Posted by Anonymous on March 24, 2004 12:41 AM

Haha Cara. There is only 1 Ramsey High kid (and she is an ex-Ramsey High kid who happens to work for the Kidds) here and she doesn't come here anymore. Pink told us about her. Other than that, there are no Ramsey kids that I know of.

And come on, no one really bashes them except for the Ramsey kid and a few people who are fans of other teams and come here and post one hegative message about Kidd and never come back again. Don't worry, the main posters aren't here to bash Kidd.

The long discussion about Jason cheating was interesting, I must admit. You wonder, does a guy who appears to be an incredible family man actually do this stuff, especially since he almost lost his family once in the past? Ask Joumana if she knows anything about Mateen Cleave's girlfriend, the Four Seasons Hotel in Chicago last April, and $2000 shopping money. (That is what BOB said here last year. I don't know if it's true. I'm just writing what BOB told us Kidd was doing in his spare time. I hope it's not true and I don't think Kidd would do that to himself or Joumana, but I am also not naive and never rule anything out until I have prove.)

Which elementary school and high school did you go to?

Posted by the real anonymous on March 24, 2004 12:59 AM

tor, you'd be surprised who reads this board. It wouldn't shock me at all if Jason and Joumana has both read this. One of their employees posted here and maybe one of his ex-teammates posted here as well. And then their are others who are their friends or friends of friends and could have easily shown them this board. Kidd has internet access, remember, and you have a LOT of free time on those long road trips. He is also very image conscious and he likes to know what the public thinks about him.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 24, 2004 1:05 AM

Cara, Kim, and Monica, do you know Andre?

Posted by Anonymous on March 24, 2004 1:08 AM

Let me clear something up real quick. I was the 1 who posted the ? 2 cara jett. I just did 2 quick post and forgot 2 put my initials. So 2 all the anonymous', sorry for the confusion.

Also Ms. Cara, I'm not hiding, I don't put my real name because some info I knew about Kidd back in the day involved things that were confirmed by people that were close to him at 1 time. Or people who are close to J. Kidd Jr.'s stepfather (or should I say, active father). If I give my name, that would be putting other peoples name, as well as trust in jeopardy. So I choose not to do that.

I try not to "bash" him, I just state my opinion, and if it is taken that way, then that is your perception. I don't care what any1 has to say about my experiences, or how I feel personally about either of the Kidds, however, when people feel offended, I truly do apologize. I don't talk about T.J. either because I don't talk about kids, or things people can't help. The only thing I believe I ever said is I didn't recall him having a condition, I just knew his head was big since he was a little baby. I wasn't trying to clown though, that baby can't help that.

I ran up on this website a long time ago when somebody was asking me about Jason and Joumana. Personally, I find it interesting. We do (I hope I speak for everyone, or @ least most everyone) have lives. Posting here, and sharing our opinion on our spare time, is no different than you watching curb your enthusiasm (hella funny) on your spare time.

By the way, yes I do have "big balls" (not literally), and I would hope your not the real Cara Jett because you sound a little silly with your A-Z, response. I was just asking a ?, no need to start clownin'.

Oh, by the way, I didn't go to Ramsey high, I don't even know where that is.


Posted by mb on March 24, 2004 2:23 AM

Also, I don't mean to clown, but how many people are big fans of James Jett??

Is he even still pro?

Posted by mb on March 24, 2004 2:25 AM


Did you mean to say, a little too MATURE for you to understand the humor?

Posted by mb on March 24, 2004 2:28 AM

Yes, we do know Andre. I have known him for 25 years. I just spoke with him tonight and told him about this board.

Who are you?

Posted by Kim on March 24, 2004 3:03 AM

Hey, if someone here gives me some real Mateen Cleave's girlfriends name, where she lives, how the two of them crossed pathes then I will personally ask Joumana. Better yet I'll ask Jason. Give me something worth asking and I will. Like that girl from Sac with the tangerine panties...Vanessa Gains? Whatever

Posted by PINK on March 24, 2004 12:26 PM

Well Pink, on May 7, 2003, a man named Bob posted here. He explained how his wife was flying from Denver to Chicago in April with Mateen Cleaves's girlfriend who is from Sacramento. (Cleaves played for Sacramento at the time). Bob says that Jason had her fly in and put her up at the Four Seasons and spent the night with her there. He then gave her $2000 the next day for her to shop.

Bob explained here how he worked for a Flint, Michigan radio station and how he went to high school in Michigan with Chris Webber. Bob's wife sat next to Mateen's girlfriend on the plane and once his wife told her that Bob knew Chris Webber and had covered Cleaves for his Flint radio station, the girl started to open up more. Bob's wife asked why she was going to Chicago, and she eventually, but reluctantly, admitted to what was going on with Jason.

I, personally, don't believe this story, but I really have no idea. Bob did provide many details, so I don't know if he really would have gone through the trouble of making up such an elaborate story.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 24, 2004 1:09 PM

Kim, I'm not anybody. I do know that one of Jason's best friends is Andre. That is all. One of our local papers did a great interview with Andre last year.

Were you friendly with Kidd in college when he started getting into some trouble?

Posted by Anonymous on March 24, 2004 1:12 PM

What's up Dre....Monica...Holla

Posted by Monica on March 24, 2004 4:07 PM

What trouble are you talking about?

Posted by Kim on March 24, 2004 4:27 PM

Umm, let's see. Crashing his father's car while driving home two crack-smoking, drunk friends and then leaving the scene. Punching Tameka Tate in the face and chest multiple times on his 21st birthday while he was drunk and then pouring beer all over her. Sleeping with a ton of girls and getting one pregnant and then refusing to pay child support or take the blood test to establish paternity. That kind of stuff that he did in college.

I'm not wrong to assume that he has changed a lot since college, correct?

Posted by Anonymous on March 24, 2004 4:51 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Cara, Monica, and Kim are all the same person? I'm going nuts here. Pink, could you ask the Kidds if these people are legit?

Posted by Linda on March 24, 2004 4:55 PM

Anonymous: Like I said in my earlier post, I don't tell Jason business. But I can say that Jason does not hang out with crack smokers! Where do you get your information from? If is the media, please!!! Try again!

And Linda: not that we have anything to prove to you or anyone else on this board, but I ASSURE you, were are three different people. And what are you trying to legitimize- our existance or the fact that we know the Kidds? Why the hell would we lie? Why would we defend someone we don't even know, put our name out there and the city we live in, associate together and claim to be friends with Jason's best friend?? Come on now... That's not how we roll. I don't play silly games.

Posted by Kim on March 24, 2004 5:29 PM

Yes, it came from Oakland and San Francisco newspapers. Kidd was found with 2 men back in college who were crack smokers when he crashed his car. Whether he was their friend or just giving them a ride, I don't know. The police came up with that, so it's not like the media invented it. The whole Tameka Tate thing was thrown out due to lack of evidence. I believe Kidd has grown up and changed from his rough past.

Did you go to the same schools as Kidd? What elementary school did you go to?

Posted by Anonymous on March 24, 2004 6:00 PM

I guess just does Kidd know a Monica, Kim, and Cara? That's all. I believe Pink can help out with this question. Sorry, but it's hard to know who to believe when you are dealing with the Internet. I mean, a lot of people would love to be Kidd's friend and we have had some liars here before (ahem, Karina). I don't think you are liars, though, since you do know Andre and one of Joumana's nicknames, little things like that.

If you really do know the Kidds, that's awesome. Tell us more about what he's like :)

Posted by linda on March 24, 2004 6:16 PM

Knew him in high school (we graduated in '91) and we used to all just hang....he was (and still is) very down to earth, and he just did all the things most kids in high school do...hang, date, have FUN...he was a celebrity in high school, and he never had a big head about it...he did what he did on the court (and yes the media was there)....sold out basketball games (those were the best...)he loved/loves his family (immediate)and of coarse his family now! He was just a great person and fun to be with...these are memories we will always cherish

Posted by Monica on March 24, 2004 8:01 PM

Kidd graduated in '92. He was 19 because he repeated the 2nd grade. Are you lying?

Posted by the real anonymous on March 24, 2004 8:17 PM

No, she is not lying. Monica and I are a year ahead so WE graduated in 1991. Monica went to a different elementary school than we did so she may not know or remember when he started our school.

Damn, you guys are so critical! I feel like we are on trial!

Posted by Kim on March 24, 2004 8:30 PM

You know, it seems as if one of the "Anoymous" and "Linda" and maybe even the "Real Anoymous" are probaly really cool people just interested in learning more about one of their favorite basketball players and I can totally respect that. But "mb", I don't know about you!! What is your story? Why are you so negative?

Posted by Kim on March 24, 2004 8:36 PM

When I said WE I MEANT Kim and I Mr. REAL Anonymous....

Posted by Monica on March 24, 2004 9:55 PM

I'm not negative. I do believe I have said some positive things about Jason. I also do respect other peoples story. The only time I get "negative" as you call it, is when people state their opinion and someone doesn't agree with it and try to say you are lying, or you don't know what you are talking about. I don't think that is right. I am not here to say peoples information is true or not. If I have doubt about something I'm interested in, I will ? it, just as people do to me. Whats wrong with that? Sometimes I agree with what people say and they still have something smart to say. I really don't care.
The only thing I always say is that people shoud be able to say what they want, if you don't agree, you don't have to attack someones character.
I will be the first to say, there are some things I know and some I don't. I don't believe the Kidds give a rat's A-- either way. I don't believe that some people should but business out there that we haven't heard as far as infidelity, but heh, if they do that is their business. There were some girls in here talking about they used to go with Jason as well as 1 who said she went out with Aaron Goodwin. When I asked the girl about Aaron being married they tried to say that he wasn't married when they fooled around. Well I know for a fact, Aaron has been married since at least 93 and she said she was fooling with him later than that. Not cool. Than the other was talking about how she fooled with Jason while he was married to Joumana, but she met him before. Now I don't agree with that, but I didn't call those girls out of their name or get all upset about it.

It seems some people in here tend to focus anything I have to say about the Kidds that isn't in their favor, but don't look at the things I have said that are in their favor. Oh well, you can't please everyone. So if you think I'm negative, I don't know what you base that on, but as long as I don't offend you, I'm cool.

Posted by mb on March 24, 2004 10:13 PM

I meant to say put their business in the street, not but.

Also the girls I was talking about, I didn't have a problem with at all, the only thing that I thought wasn't cool is messing with a married man. If that man chose her as his wife, other women need to step off, but I guess thats not how it goes with some people. I might not be a Joumana fan, but that is HER husband. To even drudge up the whole Mateen Cleaves girlfriend thing again is not cool.

I'm sorry to say, but if you are as cool with Joumana as you say, why would you bring that up to her? Especially if it happened a few years back. What if is true and she knew about it and her and Jason dealt with it and it is a sore spot? What if she doesn't know about it? Why do you feel you need to tell her NOW if she didn't find out about it when it transpired? I don't believe you really know the Kidds like that, or you have to be pretty young. A friend wouldn't just ask something like that knowing theres a possibility it might be true. Do you know how much that would hurt and what kind of problems that could bring on their family. Actually, if you are cool like that, you wouldn't have to ask, you would know if it is true or not.

Also in 1 post I did say Joumana at 1 tiem was a HO in the town. I apologize about that, but she did have a rep. But heh, like Chris Rock said, everyone was a ho to somebody at one time. :-)

Posted by mb on March 24, 2004 10:37 PM

Point taken, mb. Thanks for explaining.

Posted by Kim on March 24, 2004 11:28 PM

You still haven't told us what elementary school you went to. Do you not know what elementary school Kidd went to? Would you like me to tell you?

Posted by Anonymous on March 25, 2004 12:14 AM

mb's cool. The stuff she says may be a little negative, but hey, Kidd did get into a hell of a lot more trouble when he was in Cali than he does now in NJ. Most of what mb knows about Jason is stuff from his early years and he wasn't exactly a good boy then.

About the Mateen Cleaves girlfriend thing... It was less than a year ago. I don't know about you, but if my husband was messing around and my friends knew about it, I most definitely would want them to inform me about it. I think a good friend wouldn't keep something like that from the person. No one should be kept hidden from something like that. Wives have a right to know if there's a possibility that their husband cheated. Anyway, I personally feel that there is an outside chance that Joumana and/or Jason have read this board. In that case, they probably read about the Mateen Cleaves thing already, so I don't think it would be shocking new information to them if Pink brought it up. I just think it would be nice to know if that thing was true or if Bob just had no life and had time to make up a huge story. The reason why I bring it up now is because I finally feel confident that someone here truly has good connections with the Kidds and that person is Pink (there was an employee here, but she didn't really seem too fond of the Kidds). He/she has said more than enough to convince me of that.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 25, 2004 12:31 AM

St. Paschal's- Anonymous! Are you done with the interrogation?

Posted by Kim on March 25, 2004 1:26 AM

Yes, Kim, thank you.

Posted by Anonymous on March 25, 2004 2:06 AM

I've known Joumana since the first grade - don't ask any info - won't tell. Just want all you haters to know that she has always been outgoing, popular and into sports. I recently tried to contact her and she emailed and offered her #. My other freinds talk to her all the time and even went out for a suprise birthday that J planned. She can't be thatshallow to respond to an old friend when you have such a busy schedule. Just stop hating - what would your relationship look like in a chat room or under a magnifying glass. Don't believe me, I don't care.

Posted by perlirojo on March 25, 2004 2:13 AM

I guess I take a different approach to that. I feel if it was a boyfriend, girlfriend thing it's different than husband and wife. I don't know how to explain my feelings where as you will understand. I just think than when it comes to that and you tell things like that, sometimes people will resent you because they sometimes don't want to know. I'm sure most NBA wives know their husbands have cheated, some just turn the other cheek. Maybe Joumana might not want to know. Even if you tell her, she might not do anything about it, but resent you for saying something because she might feel embarrased for deciding to stay. Some people are like that. I'm not trying to change your mind but thats just something to think about.
Again I also feel if you all were close, you would have heard of it. My thing is if you are a close friend and you haven't heard of it, and she never mentioned it to you, it probably never happened. You could possibly be making something out of nothing. If Joumana had (not saying she did) trust issues with Jason in the past, and you inquire about something that probably isn't true, you could be starting something.

I'll just end my opinion by saying, unless YOU know for a fact, I wouldn't bring it to her attention. If it was something you knew for a FACT, by all means I would talk to her about it. Otherwise, I would leave it alone unless I saw firsthand. But do what you feel is best.



Posted by mb on March 25, 2004 2:56 AM

Thanks, Perlirojo. Was Joumana as beautiful as a young girl as she is now? And a surprise party for who?

It's amazing how many people are still in contact with the Kidds after spending a few years in school with them. I wish I had kept so many of my elementary and high school friends.

No one hates Joumana here. Don't worry.

Posted by Anonymous on March 25, 2004 3:41 AM

I understand what you're saying, mb. I don't know, to me, those wives that turn the other cheek and ignore the fact that their husbands cheat aren't really in love with them to begin with. They are in it for something else, perhaps the security, fame, money, life style, etc. Now, I believe Joumana is in love with Jason. If she truly is, then she would want to know if Jason was doing things behind her back. I know it's not a fact, but a detailed story was presented here that seemed like it could be true. I think she would want to know about it, especially when you think about things like all the STDs in this world today. When Joumana sleeps with Jason, she's sleeping with all the other girls he's been with. Damn, I would definitely want to know where my husband's been.

Say that I think my brother is doing drugs or I think my sister has an eating disorder. Should I not tell my mom because she's better off not knowing? Of course not. I should tell her even if I am not certain these things are true and even if someone may get in trouble. From there, a course of action can be taken to see what's going on. But if I suspect something like that, I am going to tell my mom because she needs to know about it.

Nevertheless, Pink could ask Jason instead if he/she doesn't want to bring something to Joumana's attention that she could be unaware of. If Jason doesn't know about this board and this rumor already, I think it would be great for him to be aware that this story is known by some of the public, albeit a very small number of people who come here.

Posted by Anonymous on March 25, 2004 4:02 AM

I am comfortable enough to ask Jason or Joumana about anything. I know that Joumana would want to know. I very much agree with the last opinion of wanting to know who you are really sleeping with when you think you are just sleeping with your husband. Jason and Joumana really love each other a great deal and I'm sure they have a strong enough bond to work through anything.So my offer still stands.....bring me some creadible facts and I will help clear it up.

Posted by PINK on March 25, 2004 10:49 AM

The only thing that Bob did not mention is the woman's name. She was identified at Mateen Cleaves's girlfriend who lives in Sacramento. Bob's claims this incident took place on April 11, 2003 at the Four Seasons Hotel in Chicago the night before the Nets played the Bulls. He said Jason flew her into town for the night and then gave her $2000 the next day to shop. Bob's wife sat next to Cleaves's girlfriend on a cross country flight and they became friendly, especially when Bob's wife mentioned that her husband went to high school with Chris Webber and had covered Cleaves on a Flint, Michigan radio station where he is employed. Mateen Cleaves's girlfriend then admitted to Bob's wife why she was flying to Chicago. I actually saved all of Bob's posts. The more I read it, the more I don't believe it, but for over a year now this has bugged me slightly. I would love to know if it's true or if Bob is just a loser. I think it's just the latter. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if Jason and Joumana already knew about this rumor. Donny Marshall, or someone pretending (and doing a good job of it) to be Donny Marshall claims that the Kidds have read this board and have simply laughed about some of the crap posted here. Mayb Pink you could just ask them if they are aware of this site?

Posted by the real anonymous on March 25, 2004 4:56 PM

Is thr girl in Sacramentos name Tena? Is she now dating some guy named Jamal from the lakers?

Posted by Anonymous on March 25, 2004 5:04 PM

Hmmm. Now who is this anonymous and how do you know this Tena girl?

Posted by the real anonymous on March 25, 2004 5:13 PM

If you are asking me where she went to Elementary - that would be FC Elementary B. Middle School - FC and HD High- San Mateo. If you knew this you would know the names I abbreviated. Went to all with her and was in same crowd. There are some of us still keep in touch. My (lifetime) best friend (who also has known J and has kept in touch since HS) is an Arco employee and sees J when she come's in town which has not been for a while. Sshe still see's her old friends and values keeping in touch. A safe answer to another question was she was always fun to be around and a joker. People change but some of you who perceive from the comments in the press - come on! I really don't feel comforatble chatting - just stumbled into this doing a search. Who ever knows her and is her "friend" why are you talking about them at all? It seems like bragging to me. I just wanted to set some of these comments straight. I'm out

Posted by perlirojo on March 26, 2004 12:45 AM

The Kidds are interesting people to discuss, so we discuss them here. Thanks for your post, perlirojo. Don't feel uncomfortable here... your posts are interesting and enjoyable to read.

Posted by Anonymous on March 26, 2004 1:46 AM

I agree somewhat. I didn't mean to say only NBA wives are the only ones to turn their cheeks. I also don't thingk it's just because they aren't in love with their husband, some people just handle things their own way. Just like you and I might take a different approach to asking about a rumor, some people choose to turn the other cheek because they don't want to face issues that come with infidelity because they just want to be with that person.

I also think talking about drugs and diseases are a little different than infidelity. Again that's just my opinion. I respect your opinion though.

Personally, as elaborate as it may be, I think that story from Bob is false. First, how dingy can you be to admit to a damn near stranger, that you are going to visit a NBA star that everyone knows is married, and in the same conversation admit that you are Mateen Cleaves girlfriend? C'mon? Duh!!! Also, I didn't read the story because it had been deleted, but I assumed this Bob cat was a little older. I don't know of any older folks who would actually post such and elaborate story on a website and then disappear. I just don't think Jason would be that messy either. I don't know if he is a saint, but for the sake of argument, if he were to cheat on Joumana, I don't think he would be slippin'like that. Personally, I don't think he would.

Posted by mb on March 26, 2004 2:08 AM

Perlirojo, Bowditch Middle School?

Posted by Anonymous on March 26, 2004 2:18 AM

Well, if you don't know who your husband is sleeping with and he sleeps with some girl who has an STD, then I think it would be nice to know about it. Infidelity can involve diseases.

And yeah, but who knows, maybe Mateen's girlfriend is stupid. Once she heard that Bob knew Mateen and Chris Webber, maybe she just totally opened up and said everything to Bob's wife. People can get pretty close on long plane flights. I don't think I believe it either. I don't think Jason would do something like that.

Posted by Anonymous on March 26, 2004 2:24 AM

yes - but like I said if you knew her - you would know. I have a feeling I know "pink" so I'll stay and see. Off to work now - check later.

Posted by perlirojo on March 26, 2004 10:00 AM

I never said I knew her personally. Kim, Monica, and Cara claim to know her personally.

Posted by Anonymous on March 26, 2004 3:08 PM

Anyone else think Pink is Joumana?

Posted by Anonymous on March 26, 2004 3:09 PM

I don't know, but that's awesome if she really posts here.

Posted by Linda on March 26, 2004 3:37 PM

Pink, do you actually think Jason is going to come out and admit the truth to you ,he doesn't really know you that well and telling you something like this could possibly ruin his marriage if it got out, so why would he trust something so personal to someone he hardly knows, if this rumor is true, he is a little slow but he's not stupid and like m.b. said maybe they have worked through these problems and have move on with their lives and bringing it up would just bring more pain.

By the way I am still a jason kidd fan,so don't think that I only say negative things about him, because I'm sure he is a very nice person, However I am getting a little tired of there new commercial , they show it a least 40 times a day here, at first I thought it was a cute little commercial between husband and wife but know, they are just wearin it out they hardly show the one with Gary Payton or any of the other ones.

Posted by D.D. on March 26, 2004 5:51 PM

Well, D.D., I think Pink is closer to the Kidds than we might think. I wouldn't be surprised if Pink was indeed Joumana or someone in Jason's close circle.

People (including the Kidds), bring up the domestic abuse incident all the time and it doesn't seem to bother the Kidds at all. They are past it and it no longer bothers them. I don't think Pink needs to worry about bringing more pain (even though I don't think there is ANY pain to begin with, since I don't really think this is true).

And no one can ruin their marriage except for themselves. It's not like Pink is ruining their marriage by bringing this up. If Jason did it, it's his fault and he has to deal with it. Pink would only be helping a friend. No spouse should be kept hidden from this. A good friend would inform the person that something could have went on. If I thought my dad was cheating on my mom, I would definitely deal her, even if it would hurt her if it proved to be true.

If Jason and Joumana's marriage is so strong, she probably already knows if Jason would do something like that to her anyway. She probably hears tons of rumors and thinks about how ridiculous a lot of them are. And I wouldn't be shocked if she has seen or heard about this board before. I don't think there is a problem here.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 26, 2004 6:13 PM

Oooo, D.D. I think just the opposite. I have only seen Jason's new commercial maybe 5 times, but Gary's is on every 5 min! It's weird that here in NJ it rarely gets played.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 26, 2004 6:15 PM

Oops, sorry for the error. I meant "TELL my mom".

Posted by the real anonymous on March 26, 2004 6:18 PM

Pink needs crediable information. Please does someone have crediable information? Personally I think it's all a lie. But if you want answers to your questions, you've got to come with something real.

Posted by Guess who on March 26, 2004 7:55 PM

What credible information do you want? I gave you a specific date and place and who the girl and who Bob (the guy who told us this) was to the best of my ability. The only thing that Bob did not mention was the girl's name. However, someone else recently posted a name of Tena. Just wanted to know if Bob's story was made up or not. Sorry, there really isn't anymore information. If you are uncomfortable asking, it's okay.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 26, 2004 8:48 PM

Do you have a last name for Tena??.... Humm.. Do you know where she lives, etc?? Thanks for the help.

Posted by Guess on March 26, 2004 9:14 PM

Truthfully, Pink needs to be able to get in touch with this woman before she can actually discuss any of this with the Kidds. Does anyone know how she might be able to do this?? Once again, thanks for your help.

Posted by Guess on March 26, 2004 9:17 PM

And so you admit, you're a she :)

Anyway, sorry, Pink. That's probably going to be impossible to do. Her name was never mentioned. (She lives in Sacramento). I don't know if this Tena person was Mateen's girlfriend at the time. I have no idea who posted that. Getting in touch with the Tena girl might not be a good idea considering that she may not even be the girl Bob was talking about and because if this is one big lie, it would be a shame to spread such a rumor even further. I guess we will just never find out. It's okay, thanks for trying.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 26, 2004 9:55 PM

Not saying Pink is a "she." Just assumed. Sorry.

Posted by Guess on March 27, 2004 5:13 AM

Guess, aren't you Pink? :)

Posted by the real anonymous on March 27, 2004 4:19 PM

Real anonymous, that is personal info assuming the rumor is true, why would he share this info with someone he hardly knows, that would be like if you and I have only been friends for a short time and I come to you and ask you "Did you have and affair on your spouse"! That would be wrong of me to ask something so personal and your going to want to know why am I in your business!

also Anonymous, here where I live they play the commercial at least 40 times a day!

Posted by D.D. on March 29, 2004 12:44 AM

Pink isn't someone "who hardly knows" the Kidds by any means. Maybe she is in the Kidd family. And I have no idea if this rumor is true, which is probably why Pink is reluctant to bring it up. Maybe if she knew that if was definitely true, she would tell them about it. But no one has any idea if it is true, which is why we asked Pink to help us find out in the first place.

Posted by the real anonymous on March 29, 2004 3:08 PM

Well, I personally would like to know if Jason cheats in general. He seems like such a devoted family guy, but is it just an act? Are all NBA players the same-cheating on their wives on every road trip? Or are there some genuinely good, faithful guys who truly love their wives? I would hope so. I've always been curious about this. Is it right to stereotype or are their exceptions?

Posted by Anonymous on March 29, 2004 3:17 PM

Hmmmm. Everyone's silent. Why?

Posted by Anonymous on April 5, 2004 8:45 PM

Kidd brought his daughters to practice the other day. See? He doesn't ignore them.

Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2004 1:39 AM

Who said he ignores them?

Posted by mb on April 7, 2004 3:25 AM

How do you know he brought his daughters to practice?

Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2004 11:20 AM

The NY Times told me. Maybe not ignore them, but some seem to think that Jason pays a lot more attention to TJ. TJ goes to a lot more functions than the girls do.

Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2004 3:36 PM

Weird how Monica, Cara, and Kim have all disappeared at the same time!

Posted by Anonymous on April 7, 2004 3:37 PM

I'm still here. I've just been a little busy with my life. Glad to see that positive things are being said about the Kidd family.

Posted by Cara on April 7, 2004 7:59 PM

Is there a picture,or just a story, because someone said that these babies are fraternal twins,they look Identical to me, or I may have been looking at a bad picture, Does anyone know where I can see a really good picture of these babies?

Posted by D.D. on April 7, 2004 8:08 PM

Who do you all think TJ looks like? I can't see either Jason or Joumana. I can see both of them in the girls, but no TJ.

Posted by mb on April 8, 2004 2:26 AM

I think the twins look exactly like TJ, who is a combination of Jason and Joumana.

Posted by CJ on April 8, 2004 4:46 PM

TJ is dark like Joumana, with the Arabic looking eyebrows. He doesn't really look like Jason to me. His mouth/facial expressions do a little.

Posted by Anonymous on April 8, 2004 4:47 PM

Yeah the twins do look like TJ.

Posted by Anonymous on April 8, 2004 4:49 PM

T.J. doesn't look like either one to me,maybe he favors another member of their family, maybe Joumana's father,as for the girls I can't really say because I've only seen them on that one picture standing by the playhouse!

Posted by D.D. on April 8, 2004 5:42 PM

Oh, D.D. You never saw Jason's MTV Diary? Do you live in the NJ area? The girls have been shown multiple times on the YES Network. (They have pretty long dark curly hair now :)

Posted by Anonymous on April 8, 2004 7:06 PM


Posted by RACHEL<3 on April 11, 2004 12:35 PM

I missed jason's diary on mtv, I wish I could have seen it,no I don't live in new jersey so I am not able to see them at the games they attend, or on the yes network.

Posted by D.D. on April 11, 2004 6:52 PM

The girls were shown with Joumana on ABC at the game today. They looked adorable in their matching outfits.

Posted by Anonymous on April 11, 2004 11:54 PM

nice positive talk now! I did see the twins at the game flanking their momma... o have they grown!!! SO adorable! I was flustered that they actually showed them (i'm in sota, never see YES network) I sorta didn't really see much!!! They do have long curly hair... so cute! Joumana was trying to get one of the girls shoes back on! Well, bye for now! I am excited for the playoffs to Begin!!! it would be fun to see NJ whoop NY in the 1st rd! ? where does TJ sit over by the NJ bench? I didn't see him on the ABC game. peace o

Posted by tor on April 13, 2004 2:04 AM

Ha, those shoes didn't fit Miah at all. Joumana could barely get it on her foot. She probably took it off in the first place because it was too tight. Rich people should get new shoes.

Posted by Anonymous on April 14, 2004 12:48 AM

Tor, It's not that we don't like Jason, because we do, or at least I do, I have been a big fan of his since his days with the mavericks, But I know he is not the perfect Angel that alot of people here have made him out to be, some people may post things about him that may be true, some things may not be true, some things posted you may not like, but they have the right to post it, were not always going to agree on things said here, but it doesn't mean we don't like him,
I sure deep down inside he is a good person.
However, I have to say that I am not a Nets fans(sorry Nets fans)!

Posted by D.D. on April 14, 2004 1:12 AM

Has anyone here heard Jason's Rap song,"bless his Heart", he needs stick with his Day Job!

Posted by D.D. on April 14, 2004 1:21 AM

No, where can I hear that song?

Posted by Anonymous on April 14, 2004 1:32 AM

Ha, those shoes didn't fit Miah at all. Joumana could barely get it on her foot. She probably took it off in the first place because it was too tight. Rich people should get new shoes.
Why are you looking so damn hard?? You must be obsessed.

Posted by Cara on April 14, 2004 8:41 PM

Tor, It's not that we don't like Jason, because we do, or at least I do, I have been a big fan of his since his days with the mavericks, But I know he is not the perfect Angel that alot of people here have made him out to be, some people may post things about him that may be true, some things may not be true, some things posted you may not like, but they have the right to post it, were not always going to agree on things said here, but it doesn't mean we don't like him,
I sure deep down inside he is a good person.
However, I have to say that I am not a Nets fans(sorry Nets fans)!

Then why do you post on this site??? If you like him, then you surely should be a Nets fan. I mean, that is who he plays for, right??

Posted by Cara on April 14, 2004 8:44 PM

the gils did look cute and as far as them looknglike t.j. I think all three of them look like they should've been triplets. i seen them on the game as well and they are so cute they've grown a lot since the last picture i've seen of them.

Posted by mimi on April 14, 2004 8:48 PM

Cara, I am obsessed. I guess you don't understand since you know Jason personally, but I can't help it.

The girls are adorable and they are pretty easy to tell apart.

Posted by Anonymous on April 14, 2004 10:59 PM

I am also amazed by how calm the girls and TJ seem to be when watching games. I mean, two year olds typically can't sit still and are constantly moving about, always looking to go somewhere. But the twins just sit there, not looking to cause trouble (you know how they call it terrible twos). They look like pretty good, obedient kids who know to sit down when they are supposed to. That's pretty unusual for two years old. Just an observation.

Posted by Anonymous on April 14, 2004 11:04 PM

I don't have to be a Nets fans to like Jason,I like a lot of players, but I don't like, or root for the the teams they play for,as for why I post here because I think there are alot of interesting things said here weather they are true or not true, I like to express my opinion about them just like everyone else.
like I said I am not a Nets Fan and probably never will be one but I still like Jason!

Posted by D.D. on April 15, 2004 12:00 AM

Anonymous, I don't know exactly where you can hear this rap song, the first time I heard it was on one of the local radio stations, you could probably find it somewhere on the internet, I'm sure, the title of the song if i'm not mistaken is called "what the Kidd did".

Posted by D.D. on April 15, 2004 12:09 AM

I've heard his song! LOL! I believe it is 'what the kidd did' I found it on Kazaa and I also found NBA edition of Cribs ( with the Kidds) and Diary of JKidd all on Kazaa.

I agree with D.D. that u can be a fan of a certain player and not be a big fan of his team. After all, I love the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Nets... BUT I didn't like the Nets until JKidd got there! After all, Jkidd turned New Jersey into a Contender.

And Cara... PLEASE stop picking at everything somebody says. HOW RUDE

Posted by tor on April 15, 2004 1:51 AM

Cara, have you spoken with the Kidds lately? What are they up to and how are they doing?

Posted by Anonymous on April 15, 2004 3:19 AM

where can i find pictures of joumana and the twins at the game.

Posted by anonymous on April 15, 2004 10:24 PM

Thank you, Tor, I'm glad somebody understands, know tell me about this Kazaa is this a T.V. show on cable,or is this a program only shown in New jersey.

Posted by D.D. on April 16, 2004 12:19 AM

I found out what Kazaa is

Posted by D.D. on April 16, 2004 12:27 AM

Anyone out there? Are you all watching Kidd kick ass in the playoffs??? He's beyond amazing. I feel blessed to have the opportunity to watch such an incredible ball player. He's someone I will tell my great grandkids about one day.

Posted by Anonymous on April 22, 2004 12:55 AM


Posted by Anonymous on April 25, 2004 11:48 AM

What are you going to say?

Congrats to Jason for being named First Team All NBA. And congrats on the SWEEP of the Knicks!!! Bring on Detroit!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah, and the Knick fans are scum for shouting 'wifebeater' at Jason.

Posted by Anonymous on April 26, 2004 3:06 AM

I'm VERY happy that the JKidd n the Nets swept the knicks!!!!!!! Now, they can have some time to heal up some more!! Also, I'm so VERY HAPPY that JKidd was named to the All NBA First TEAM!!! ---I was so sick of all that talk that JKidd wasn't the best PG anymore.... did ya'll hear that crap earlier this season???? It was HILARIOUS to see all that crap NY was trying .... "Fugazy"? LOL @ Timmy Thomas! I would love to see Kenyon beat up his ass! Did anyone see this weeks edition of NBA inside stuff? On the Nets part, they taped them before they went on the court (in the hallway) and TJ gave his Dad a kiss and slapped his butt before they took the court! SO CUTE! Also, I noticed that TJ and Joumana sat next to Jay-Z.... there's a nice pic at although they spelled her name WRONG!! (juwama.. I think) how dumb are they? Well, sorry if I've babbled... but my T-WOLVES just pulled off a huge game!!! I really am praying for a MN vs Nets finals... then I'd be happy for whoever won! JKidd also made 2nd team all-D (i think)!!! Now the only regular season award left is to HAND KG THE MVP! Peace Out! GO NEW JERSEY!!!!

Posted by tor on April 28, 2004 2:47 AM


Posted by TK on April 30, 2004 12:37 PM

does joumana have any sisters

Posted by anonymous on April 30, 2004 9:59 PM

Joumana has a brother named Sam. I don't know about sisters. I don't think so.

Posted by Anonymous on May 1, 2004 4:33 PM

Here we go... Round 2 game 1 starts tonight....40 minutes from now! I'm so excited! I got to see my other favorite NBA star Kevin Garnett get the MVP trophy today!!! IT WAS GREAT TO SEE!!!! Now I'm ready to see JKIDD and the nets whoop some detroit.... ha ha. I have seen some new pictures of Jason and TJ on yahoo and of course the great gettyimages site always has some new stuff. I hope you all enjoy tonights game!!!!

Posted by tor on May 3, 2004 7:23 PM

Where are these pictures, tor?

Posted by Anonymous on May 4, 2004 2:16 PM

SO.... game 1 was awful, I wish game 2 was sooner! Sat? that's a long wait.... for Sota too! Dang, my two teams are now 0-1. It's OK though, they'll come back!

You should go to

and then click the link to search all editorial ...... that will give you a search box, and then just type in Jason Kidd, TJ Kidd, Joumana Kidd.... whatever your heart desires! there's one pic which shows Joumana's huge diamond ring (the Juwana Kidd thing... now that's awful spelling!!!)

otherwise here's a few of my other favorites:

Anyone else got any cool sites?

peace Out

Posted by tor on May 5, 2004 3:00 AM

Wow, thanks tor.

Posted by Anonymous on May 5, 2004 2:06 PM

Poor Nets. They really don't look themselves. Kidd looks like he's playing on one leg. I really think he will have knee surgery soon. I'm guessing that's why he isn't playing in that annual golf tournament that he does in Tahoe in July. I hope he can finally feel better after the surgery. I wonder if he will need crutches or anything?

Posted by Anonymous on May 7, 2004 11:05 PM

YES!!! a all around great comeback from being down 0-2. This was pretty much a blowout... even though JKidd had a poor game :( Has anyone seen if Joumana is doing anything for NBATV now? I don't have it, so I'm just curious if she's workin on anything now.

Posted by tor on May 10, 2004 12:49 AM

Yeah, I see Joumana on NBATV sometimes. I am curious if she is doing anything else though.

And congrats to the Nets for tieing up the series, 2-2!! And Jason!! A triple double with a hurt knee!! You continue to amaze!

Posted by Anonymous on May 11, 2004 11:12 PM

that triple overtime game was crazy!


Posted by Anonymous on May 15, 2004 7:21 PM

Damnit, the Nets should have closed it out last night. Kidd must really be hurting. First his knee, now his back. The poor guy REALLY needs a backup next year. He's overworked. Kidd wouldn't have let them lose last night if he was healthy.

Posted by Anonymous on May 17, 2004 1:14 PM

i've been watching all these games with the nets vs. pistons and i think the nets should have won. not just because i'm a fan of jason's but because they did all they could. did y'all catch the king's game, when kevin garnett got into it with whatever his name is on the kings last night? big ups to kevin for not stooing to dudes' level. thanks for that getty image website tor. nets are going to have to play hard next game if they want to make it to the fimals, cause at last night's game, i don't know. i'll holla at y'all later!
Keep The Pimp Hands Strong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mimi

Posted by mimi on May 17, 2004 6:36 PM

Anyone seen this?

Bad quality, but from yesterday

Posted by Nobody on May 18, 2004 5:07 PM

Also, if you go to and go to the Shrek 2 event, there are many more pictures, although they are a bit smaller.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2004 12:51 PM

Hey, does anyone know about what year Joumana got her nose job and breast augmentation? Did she get both at the same time? I am just curious. I have been watching all of those dumb reality shows, like the Swan, and all of that plastic surgery stuff seems really rough and painful. Alright, just wondering.

Posted by Anonymous on May 19, 2004 12:53 PM

Jason needs knee surgery. I hope everything goes well and I hope he is back to normal next season.

Posted by Anonymous on May 21, 2004 3:11 AM

That to me does not look like a bad Mom. I know I would not be taking my three kids out on the town with NO HELP! I read that she took the kidsovernight to the Ritz Carlton to make a night of it. Jason met them there after the movie.

Posted by cara on May 22, 2004 12:24 AM

"I know I would not be taking my three kids out on the town with NO HELP!"

I would. It's not rocket science. Tons of people do it every single day.

Posted by Nobody on May 22, 2004 3:39 PM

Why didn't Jason just go to the movie with Joumana and the kids? And where did you read that she took them to the Ritz Carlton? I looked and didn't see anything.

And no one here called her a bad mom except for someone who sometimes works in the Kidd house (She doesn't work there often anymore).

Posted by Linda on May 22, 2004 5:59 PM

you guys all have no lives!!!!

Posted by 1 on May 22, 2004 6:25 PM

Sure we do. Why don't we? Because we come here and post once in a while? Geez. Coming here and taking 5 minutes to post doesn't mean I have no life. In fact, I'm going out with my husband right now.

So, Cara, do you know why Jason didn't go to the movie?

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2004 8:11 PM

I have a life, too, but I like discussing my favorite ball player. It's interesting to learn about him and his family. If you don't like it, you don't have to come here.

I hope Jason's upcoming knee surgery is a success.

Posted by Linda on May 22, 2004 8:19 PM

How the hell am I suppose to know?!

Posted by Cara on May 22, 2004 8:23 PM

By the way Ms. Anonymous, do you really think that Joumana and I talk about dumb shit like "why didn't Jason go to the movies with you guys?" We got better shit to discuss. Thank you very much. They are busy people.. Hello??? It was the play-off's!!! I'm quite sure he will be doing plenty with his family during the off season. Why don't you get some balls and reveal who the fuck you are?!!

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2004 8:30 PM

And for the person asking about Joumana having plastic surgery.. She's never had anything done.. Natural beauty all the way.. She's very blessed.. Just thought I'd let you know that..

Posted by Cara on May 22, 2004 8:32 PM

Message dated May 22, 2004 @ 8:30pm, is from me. Just forgot to write my name in. Peace!!

Posted by Cara on May 22, 2004 8:34 PM

I'm sorry, Cara. I was just asking. You said you read about Joumana going to the Ritz Carlton with her kids, so I was just curious to know where you read that. I guess you mean you talked to her about it on the phone instead of reading it somewhere. Yes, I know it's playoff time, so I figured Jason would just stay home, but you said Jason met them at the hotel. So I was wondering if he had time to go to NY, why not go to watch the movie as well? Sorry, I didn't mean to make you angry.

And I don't know, but Joumana's nose used to look fuller around 1998 and before that. It definitely looks like a different nose in the wedding pictures that Jason used to have on his website. And mb, who posts here a lot and lives in the Bay Area, has seen Joumana before she married Jason and also said that Joumana used to have a different shaped nose and that she had plastic surgery done for future TV purposes. I don't know how much of that I believe, but I do think her nose is different by looking at old pictures. Also, she isn't that big of a woman to have boobs that big and perfectly shaped, but who knows. mb says her boobs changed, too. Hey, there's nothing that bad about getting plastic surgery. And it's not like she couldn't afford it.

Posted by Linda on May 22, 2004 9:49 PM

I would "reveal" who I am, but I hate, hate, hate my name. It's so ugly and weird! I just don't like it. And I'm not creative enough to come up with some alias to use. Any suggestions? I'm not anyone famous or anything and I don't live in the Kidd house or work for them or whatever, so you wouldn't know me.

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2004 10:21 PM

And yeah, Joumana definitely looks like she has a different nose. She really didn't need to change it though. She was still amazingly beautiful before the nose job.

Posted by Anonymous on May 22, 2004 10:25 PM

where is joumana from? exactly

Posted by point4 on May 23, 2004 2:38 AM

Now, here's a "quick cameo"
I spoke with Joumana and asked her permission to do this. She was a little confused to why I would want to at first, but when I told her how frustrating it was for me to read some of this stuff she agreed. Now yawl better appreciate this because this girl hasn't even given the media an interview about anything in the last year!

1. First and foremost ... She said thank you for the comment of the perfectly shaped boobs. They are so far from perfect (believe me) but you keep thinking that. :)

2. Find or ask anyone that went to school with Joumana at Bowditch Middle School in Foster City or at Hillsdale High and they will tell you she was known for her boobs being huge! She hated it and would wear big baggy shirts. She is much older now and knows how to appreciate them. As far as the SI lay out that gave everyone that idea. Look at the cover, it is called the 3-D issue. There was obvious work done to that picture. Heres a secret.......take a pencil or a ruler, line it up with Jason's head and where the rest of his body is. Notice how odd it looks. The picture was obviously created, in more ways than one. For heavens sake, her boobs look like clay. Even if it were the case, though it's not, (There's nothing wrong with a boob job)
3. Anonymous... I mentioned your comment to her and she said, don't hate your name, I'm sure it's beautiful.

4. Jason did not go to the premiere because they just lost game six and he needed the rest. Sitting in a crammed theater is not the most comfortable thing for a tall guy with a soar knee. The reason he met his family at the hotel is because he figured he could rest alone at home, or rest with his family in the city, and that seemed to have sounded better to him. She didn't believe me that someone actually wanted to know something that simple.

5. Joumana has taken no offense to Val's comments that I told her about. She said, Val is just a kid and she was given a lot on her plate with her mom taking a job so far away from home forcing her to spend the night to avoid the commute. That could be hard for a young girl. Val was never an employee at the Kidd house hold. Joumana and Val's mother would humor her and give her money for "baby-sitting" to make her feel better about having to hang out with her Mom at work sometimes. Val was never alone with any of the Kids. Matter of fact, Joumana was the one who talked Val's mother into letting her move back out this way because she knew Val hated where they lived. She opened up her home to this girl and went as far as using her and Jason's connections to get her into Ramsie High. She said that she knows Val his not a bad person and was not purposely trying to harm her. Just a very frustrated young girl, and rightfully so.

6. As far as all the opinions and rummers, absolutely no comment. Joumana didn't even want me to get into the specifics of anything. She was not interested and said there was no way she was going to take time out to hear about opinions of people who have no identity. It's way to easy to hide behind a computer and create all the chaos in the world.

7.I asked her if any of this upset her, her comment was: Not at all .... Upsetting to her was when her brother was in town the other day (a pilot) and couldn't make it out to her house because he was on call. She and her brother were upset because he was so close yet so far. She continued to say, if these were my close friends or family of course it would upset me. Something like this doesn't. You learn to have thicker skin living the life that we live.

9.I asked her was she going to tell Jason about what I have just shared with her. She laughed and said he would probably think I was nuts and have me drug tested.

8. Where is she from? She lived in Egypt till the age of four. Her family then moved to California. They traveled a lot because her father worked with the American Government, but for the most part they were in California.

Posted by Cara on May 23, 2004 8:15 AM

I'm sorry, Cara. I was just asking. You said you read about Joumana going to the Ritz Carlton with her kids, so I was just curious to know where you read that. I guess you mean you talked to her about it on the phone instead of reading it somewhere. Yes, I know it's playoff time, so I figured Jason would just stay home, but you said Jason met them at the hotel. So I was wondering if he had time to go to NY, why not go to watch the movie as well? Sorry, I didn't mean to make you angry.



Posted by CARA on May 23, 2004 8:39 AM

I'm sorry, Cara. I was just asking. You said you read about Joumana going to the Ritz Carlton with her kids, so I was just curious to know where you read that. I guess you mean you talked to her about it on the phone instead of reading it somewhere. Yes, I know it's playoff time, so I figured Jason would just stay home, but you said Jason met them at the hotel. So I was wondering if he had time to go to NY, why not go to watch the movie as well? Sorry, I didn't mean to make you angry.








Posted by Cara on May 23, 2004 8:46 AM

Wow, thanks Cara. That was all very, very interesting. I truly enjoyed reading your last post. It was great. If you posted stuff like that every once in a while, it would be awesome. Call me crazy, but I love reading about this stuff.

By the way, here was what you posted...

I read that she took the kidsovernight to the Ritz Carlton to make a night of it. Jason met them there after the movie.

Posted by cara on May 22, 2004 12:24 AM

So that's where I got it from.

Posted by Linda on May 23, 2004 4:37 PM

I definitely appreciate you posting that, Cara. Joumana sounds like a very sweet person. I, too, loved reading your post. The stuff about Egypt and her brother, etc was very interesting to me. I could see why she thinks it's nuts that people actually care to know things like that, but yeah, we do.

Cara, from knowing the Kidds so well, do you think Joumana and Jason love each other or can you sense other motives? Just curious.

And yeah, that Sports Illustrated picture looks very fake. So just her nose was done? Is that a really painful thing to go through? I was looking into getting that done but I'm a little scared.

And I was curious about why Joumana stopped giving interviews this year. I know a guy from a certain NJ newspaper tried to interview her for a story around Christmas time and she turned it down. Is there a reason why she is keeping so quiet? I always liked hearing her input last year.

Posted by The one with the ugly name (lol) on May 23, 2004 6:48 PM

Joumana is in the process of working on her own show. She is so busy with that and her family that your lucky if you can even get her on the phone. That's why she hasn't had much time this season for interviews, etc..

As far as her nose goes, okay here it goes.. It's all my fault. When Jason was with the Suns, my now ex-husband and I decided to buy a house in Phoenix so that he could play golf during the off season with Jason.

They were spending so much time on the golf course that she and I decided to take up golf ourselves so we could go with them. Well, during one of our lesson's I got carried away with my club and I accidently hit her in the nose with my club!!! I broke her nose.. That was one of the worse days of my life. Anyway, I rushed her to the hospital and they told us that it was broken. The doctors patched her up ( I was in the room the whole time, and there was NO plastic surgery going on) and we left.. I felt so bad because she had 2 black eyes afterwards.

Anyway after it healed, that was it!!! So if her nose looks different, now you know why..

Please stop with the plastic surgery.. I promise you she has never gone under the knife.. She was terrified just to get a damn flu shot this year. It took me 2 weeks to talk her into it, and finally when she agreed, I had to go in the room with her and hold her hand..

Trust me when I tell you, Joumana is not going to the doctor for anything unless it is an emergency.

I really hope this clears the whole nose thing up..

Posted by Anonymous on May 23, 2004 7:46 PM

Message posted May 23, 2004 @ 7:46pm is me...

Posted by Cara on May 23, 2004 7:47 PM

Oh and Val, as far as you questioning whether Jason and Joumana's love for one another is real or not, that speaks for itself.. Look at the history.. Their love for one another is stronger than anyone I know.. So if you are looking for a divorce, get over it!! It ain't gonna happen.. They are not only husband and wife; they are also best friends!!!

Posted by Cara on May 23, 2004 7:51 PM

See how easy it is to make up a story?!!! Yall need to quit obsessing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Cara on May 23, 2004 8:02 PM

I am not Val. I can only wish that my parents had named me something so common. I don't think Val even posts here anymore. I don't want the Kidds to divorce at all. Just the opposite. They appear to have such a great partnership. I was just wondering if what I was seeing (a very close, happy relationship) from a distance was the same as what was real. Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. I would never wish a divorce upon anyone. We aren't lowlifes on this board. Once in a while we may get a loser or two here, but they never last more than a day or so. I am a hopeless romantic sometimes and I love seeing a couple like the Kidds who seem soi in love and happy. It's a beautiful thing to see.

And what do you mean by, "See how easy it is to make up a story?" What did you make up? The nose story? Hey, if she had a nose job for some reason, so what? I was just wondering because I want one, myself.

Posted by the one with the ugly name on May 23, 2004 9:05 PM

I am familiar with Val and her family. She is not a bad kid at all. I know she regrets a lot of things she said here, particularly about Joumana, and wishes she could take them back. She didn't mean anything bad by them. I think a lot of it was jealously and just being unhappy about things that had nothing to do with Jason or Joumana. I think she appreciates what they did for her.

Cara, no one here dislikes the Kidds. It's the opposite. These people, for the most part, are huge Jason Kidd supporters who just like to discuss him and his family. I don't know why, it's weird. I used to think it was weird, too, but I found myself interested in reading about this stuff. Some people just have crazy obsessions, some people just like to know everything about their idol. It's like a sense of comfort knowing that your idol is a real person, just like you and does some of same things that you do off the court. I mean, obviously you know they are real, but you don't really let yourself believe it until you know what goes on off the court. Does that make sense?It gives people hope that maybe they can be idols and role models one day too. I know that probably sounded stupid, but I don't really know how to explain it. I can't really explain why people care about this personal information. I enjoy discussing my favorite player here and reading about him and his family, since they are a part of him. One of the reasons Kidd has always been my favorite player since he was in Phoenix was because he always seemed to make an effort to involve his family in everything he did. That is something that I try to do with my own family. Since you know them personally, Cara, I guess you can't really relate and must still think we are nuts. I guess we kinda are, but I this website is pretty fun.

Cara, much thanks for the info. We really appreciate it. I found it all very interesting. The whole surgery thing was interesting. Dumb question, but you say Joumana never went under the knife? God bless her. She never had to have a C section? She is very lucky. That's not easy to do nowadays.

Posted by the real anonymous on May 23, 2004 9:39 PM

She is definitely blessed..

Posted by Cara on May 23, 2004 10:07 PM

Hey guys. Haven't posted here in a long time but I have continued to read this board. The discussions have definitely picked up, so I decided to post. Hey Cara, your info is great, but what did you make up? Was it just your nose story that you were referring to when you said you made up stuff?

Hey Pink, do you know this Cara girl?

Posted by Richard on May 23, 2004 10:35 PM

By the way, I wanted to wish Jason a speedy recovery from his knee and back injuries. I wish him the best of luck with any surgery that he needs.

Posted by Richard on May 23, 2004 10:39 PM

Ok, I was looking at a couple of messages from above and what the hell is with the "Jason didn't know if the twins were his" rumor??? Now, normally I would ignore such a thing, but two people claimed they heard the same thing. Is this rumor as ridiculous as I think it is? If so, why do people make up such horrible lies? I am glad that those two people, however, don't seem to post here anymore.

Posted by Netsfan on May 23, 2004 11:07 PM

Does anyone know where Jason and Joumana honeymooned?

Posted by Jeanette on May 24, 2004 1:11 AM

One more question... Does anyone know what Jason and Joumana like to do together for fun in their spare time? Do they like movies or clubs or going out to eat or what? Does Joumana let Jason go to clubs by himself? I wouldn't :) Not because I wouldn't trust him, but I wouldn't trust the girls around him.

Posted by Jeanette on May 24, 2004 1:16 AM

I read somewhere that they honeymooned in Paris. Pink said they never really had a honeymoon, but I have heard Paris. I think was after their "real" wedding I guess you could say, in August of '97. (They tied the knot in February of '97).

Posted by the real anonymous on May 24, 2004 1:41 AM

Cara, you must be crazy. Joumana has had a breast job, as well as a nose job. She admitted the nose job herself. And if you look at her chest, you can tell they are fake, plus back in the day she didn't have a chest really.

Posted by mb on May 24, 2004 2:17 AM

Oh geez. People are lying. Who's right? Who's wrong? So all this crap about Joumana not even wanting to go to the doctor for something like a flu shot is just made up? Ugh. Never know what to believe. I hate filling my mind with lies, even if it's things as basic as this. Anyway, I just read a magazine article from some fitness magazine (Joumana was on the cover a year ago) and Joumana said something like, "I was once so thin I had to wear leggings under my clothes to make it look like I had shape," so I don't know how it could possibly be true that she just naturally has big boobs. I guess it could be true, but who knows.

Posted by Linda on May 24, 2004 2:26 AM

Cara, a while ago, I asked if you were cara jett, from the bay. You tried to get a little smart and say you named yourself after your favorite ball players wife. You are Cara Jett because you and Joumana are friends, have been for a long time. Also, everyone knows, James Jett loves his golf. Man you finally got a ballplayer girl, what happened? Well at least you got your alimony. I think some of the things you say are exagerrated, you are known for that. Boy boy boy, you have quite a rap sheet.
I still don't remember Joumana having a big chest, then again, I wasn't really checking that out. Another girl that knows her said she had a breast job. I really could care less because nothing is wrong with it if thats what you want to do. I do know that she said she had a nose job. Personally, I think she was prettier without it.
Funny how you said at first she didn't have any work, then you said you did it. Then you come up with this "interview" you gave her. Whatever. I wouldn't even come at my friend like that. I would simply laugh about it, and move on (since you claimed b4 we have no life). Obviously, you don't either because you keep posting here. I think personally you are jealous of her because she came up way harder than you in the husband arena.
Sorry I had to pull your card, it's just you try to clown a little too hard on here, and you never know who knows about you. You can't talk mess all you want, but wherever you go, Jersey, Arizona, wherever, people from the bay will be there too. Say what you want from now on, I'm sure I'll have a comeback.


Posted by mb on May 24, 2004 2:39 AM

Yeah, just by going back to look at some pictures of Joumana from 1997, it was definitely a different nose...not as narrow as now. It's easy to see if you compare an old picture with a recent picture. She is beautiful either way, but now her nose looks perfect. I don't know why Joumana's friend would make up a story to hide this as if Joumana's a bad person for having work done. It's really not a big deal at all. There is nothing wrong with plastic surgery if it's going to make you feel better about yourself in the end. As long as Joumana's happy with it, that's all the matters.

Posted by Heather on May 24, 2004 2:49 AM

Now mb, what makes you say that Cara is jealous of Joumana? She does nothing but say nice things about the Kidds. And now that I think about it, I think she is related to or is Pink, who also gave us tons of positive information about the Kidds. I don't think it is jealousy. I think Cara made up the nose thing, but I think she admitted to that, saying right away how easy it is to make up a story. I like how Cara posts here a lot. Please don't discourage it, mb. A lot of us like Cara's posts. If she's Joumana's friend, why can't she ask her a few questions for us? As long as there are no lies, I enjoy it.

mb, what is Cara's rap sheet? Just wondering.

Cara, you and Joumana seem pretty close. You know a lot about what's going on in her life in NJ. Do you ever go visit her out there?

And did you go to school with Jason or Joumana or neither?

And I can't imagine Joumana ever playing golf, but who knows :)
Your nose story isn't true right?

Posted by Linda on May 24, 2004 3:17 AM

Darn. I really thought Pink was Joumana and that she was actually posting on this board. haha, I guess I was dumb to think that, but hey, it's not like professional athletes and their families don't have internet access.

I guess having her good friend giving us info is the next best thing.

Posted by jessica on May 24, 2004 3:24 AM

Nobodys trying to discourage Cara from posting. Just keep it real, thats all. I knew she was
Cara Jett, she tried to say she isn't, then got all upset. She also tries to get her clown on sometimes. She knows all this about Joumana, then when somebody asks a personal ? she says, how in the hell is she supposed to know. I can say what I want, you seem to forget, she was the one that said we have no lives and need to watch curb your enthusiasm and said she had better things to do than post here. Now she post frequently.
Also jealous was probably the wrong word to use, so I apologize. I know some of the things she says are probably true, but some are probably frabricated also. Cara is not Pink, she is who she is, Cara. And she is a good friend of Joumana, so most of what she says is going to be true and from a reliable source.
Then Cara says we need to quit obsessing. Linda, how is that positive? Just because you choose to post from time to time, or everday if you want, that isn't obsessing. And if Cara is around Joumana all the time telling her business over the internet, where are her kids. Sounds like she is the one who has no life. Possibly living through Joumana?
She is a great story teller. Some things she says might sound made up because they don't seem like they could possibly be true, however, they just might be. With Cara, no telling.

Posted by mb on May 24, 2004 12:24 PM

I just meant that the stuff Cara says about the Kidds is always really positive. I agree that coming here once in a while to post does not mean that we have no lives, but I can understand why Cara thinks it's weird to care about stuff like this.

Anyway, I just hope you didn't chase her away because this place was pretty dull without her.

Posted by Linda on May 24, 2004 1:58 PM

mb, is the Bay Area that small? It's incredible how you have seen Joumana and Jason so often back in the day and how you have hung out with other athletes/NBA players. It's awesome that you have friends that know Joumana and that you know Jason's first son's step father. And you sister has talked to Joumana or something. And then you went to school with Gary Payton. And that you know people who have had relationships with Joumana. The Bay Area seems small as hell when you talk. Is it just that you went to the same clubs as these people or what? Were Jason and Joumana around each other a lot back then? Like I know they didn't date until 1996, but did they come across each other often before then?

Does Jason see his first son anymore, Cara?

Posted by Heather on May 24, 2004 3:54 PM

Oakland is small, however, its crazy because no matter where you go, you could be in bumb f**k Egypt, and you will see someone from Oakland. My sister didn't talk to Joumana on a friendly basis, nor did I know her personally. I just know of her, or what I have heard. As far as her personality, I can only speak on what I have seen the few times I have been around her. That wasn't on a 1 on 1 either. So I can't really say much about her. Cara would know a lot more about that because from what I know they are close. I know a lot of people, I know more people that know Jason than Joumana. I love the Bay. I don't know about their dating, I knew of them seperately. I just heard when they got married. I still have quite a few friends who are athletes (better to be friends). Yeah going to school with Gary was something to remember, he was exactly the same back then. Mouth almighty..
In the bay, you see athletes all the time, actors and performers also. I just saw Delroy Lindo the other day walking down the street, chillin'. Actually I have seen him quite a few times. But the athletes, or performers, all the time. Latoya London sings, or used to sing at the club/restaraunt down the street. You will see Dwayne Wiggins from Toni Tony Tone chillin' walking the Lake with his wife and dog. Its great here. Nightlife isn't as cool as the east coast, but it's aaaight!

Posted by mb on May 24, 2004 5:58 PM

What kind of show is Joumana involved in? Is it going to be a talk show of some sort?

Posted by Netsfan on May 25, 2004 3:27 AM

Cara, since you have been close with Joumana for a while, did you sense any aggressive behavior from Jason when he was around her? Do you believe that their incident in 2001 was a sole incident or was it something that had happened more than once?

Posted by Anne on May 25, 2004 1:20 PM

Damn, mb. You chased her away. Now she hates us.

Posted by Anonymous on May 25, 2004 11:03 PM

Does Pink hate us, too?

Posted by Anonymous on May 26, 2004 12:36 AM

Well, perlirojo. You went to school with her.... Did Joumana have big boobs?

Posted by Anonymous on May 26, 2004 12:39 AM

what is up with you guys? i leave for a minute and you start to tear each other apart. why is anonymous soo intrted in her boobs? cara had a lot to say i wonde where she went? well i have finish my work so holla back at y'all later. mimi

Posted by mimi on May 26, 2004 10:55 AM

Hi Mimi,
I think Cara is gone because mb was trying to start some mess. To me it seems like mb is jealous of both Joumana and Cara. I hope Cara comes back. We should try to get mb off of this board because she is always starting something.

Posted by Anonymous on May 26, 2004 6:14 PM

i'm just kidding like jason

Posted by nelly on May 26, 2004 7:57 PM

I wasn't trying to start mess. Cara started it when she clowned me when I asked her if she was Cara Jett and she tried to lie. Then she told us to get a life. Remember??? You need to read back. Also if you really paid attention, Cara said now she won't be on here that much due to Joumana and her hanging out more. So say what you want, I'm not going anywhere. And I'm the one who tries to play both sides and stick up for your little a**es when someone new comes to the board and tries to clown.
Jealous, far from it. But as I always say, you are entitled to your opinion. It's also so sad how sometimes you believe everything people say. If Cara is who she says she is, she is close with Joumana. I know from the bay. You guys just believe what she says just because, and thats weird because you don't know for a fact what Pink, Cara, or anyone else has to say is really real. So sad.
I have been posting off and on for over a year, and I will continue to do so at my leisure.

Posted by mb on May 26, 2004 8:34 PM

Anonymous, why don't you use an alias, give us some initials to work with since your into kicking people off the board. Who do you think you are anyway??? The only one who can do that is Mark. And as long as I am not saying anything derogatory, or outright horrible, he wouldn't do that.


Posted by mb on May 26, 2004 8:37 PM

mb, that wasn't me posting that you should get off the board, just so you know. That's a new anonymous who hasn't posted here in recent times. The rest of the anonymouses were mostly me. I like your posts. I think you have good info coming out of the bay. I was just mad that you seemed to have chased Cara away, and she had been giving us a lot of interesting info. She is probably mad now.

Posted by the one with the ugly name on May 27, 2004 12:02 AM

Who cares if shes mad. Theres a lot of things that go on in the bay people don't realize. I can't explain it, but there is always a reason for me to say the things I say. If she's mad, I could care less.

Posted by mb on May 27, 2004 3:00 AM

Cara lives in Oakland, correct? Joumana lives in NJ. Come on now, how much hanging out could they really be doing? Not much, and surely not enough to prevent Cara from taking five minutes to post here. mb, maybe she didn't want people to know it was her? Not that it's a big deal, but you never know. I could understand why she may not have wanted to be known. And maybe it isn't even her, who knows. It doesn't really matter. She's a friend of the Kidds. We don't really need to know who exactly she is unless she wants to tell us.

Cara, I hope you continue posting here. Yes, I agree with mb that you should keep it real, but also I know you get your info right from the horse's mouth, so it's greatly appreciated by the Kidd fans here.

Pink, you too. If you are still here, please keep posting. You guys made the board more lively and more fun and you are more credible sources.

And mb, I don't believe everything Cara and other people say. Of course I am skeptical about certain things, things that seem made up. But I also know other people away from this board who know the Kidds and some of the things they say is similar to the things Cara and Pink say, so that's why I tend to believe certain things.

And I think Cara tells us to get a life out of frustration. I don't think she understands why fans feel the way they do. She's a friend, not a fan, so it's understandable for her to think we are weird.

Posted by the real anonymous on May 27, 2004 1:29 PM

Just curious mb. Are you married, have a boyfriend? Is your life so perfect that you can bash other peoples lives? Are you an angry person? I went through and read a lot of your posts, and you are just not a nice person at all. You seem so angry. Just an observation. I'm sure you will try to rip me to shreds now for saying this. Do what you do best!

Posted by Nic on May 27, 2004 1:49 PM

Cara lives in NJ about 20 minutes from Joumana. I know that for a fact. Her twins go to my children's school. I see them everyday.

Posted by A on May 27, 2004 3:55 PM

So Cara isn't Cara Jett, I guess. Cara has twins?

Posted by the real anonymous on May 27, 2004 9:55 PM

Yes she is Cara Jett. They have twins together. She now lives in Jersey, she no longer lives in the town.

Nic, I'm very nice. Yes I do have a boyfriend. No I'm not going to rip you to shreds, you are entitled to your opinion. Obviously you are reading some post where I was clowning. I have posted a lot of positive things. So you can say what you want, I'm not angry, right now I am in a very happy place in my life.

Take care everyone and have a nice Memorial day weekend.


Posted by mb on May 28, 2004 5:00 AM

Nice comment. I was scared to come back to this site because I didn't know what you were going to say. That's cool that Joumana and Cara both have tiwns. Who's are older? I bet they help each other out a lot. Having twins is probabaly a really hard job.

Posted by Nic on May 28, 2004 8:42 AM

So Cara has followed Joumana around to every state that she has lived in? Cali, Phoenix, and now NJ? That's weird.

Posted by Richard on May 28, 2004 11:00 AM

Cara moved to New Jersey in January 2001. Jason and Joumana didn't move out there until the of 2001 when he got traded. It was a coincidence that they ended up in the same state. I don't think she was following anyone. She was divorcing her husband and moving on with her life. Jason and Joumana were still in Phoenix at the time.

Posted by Anonymous on May 28, 2004 6:58 PM

Oh and one more thing Richard, they are all from California. You should read mb's posts and then you will know. Cara and Joumana were friends before she married Jason.

Posted by Anonymous on May 28, 2004 7:00 PM

get a life

Posted by john stockton on May 28, 2004 9:25 PM

I didn't think Cara was truly following Joumana. I was jokingly saying it. It is quite a coincidence. Very interesting. So Cara has been Joumana's friend for a long time. Now Cara's two friends, Monica and Kim, who used to post here for a time said they went to school with Jason. So they knew Jason and Cara knew Joumana and somehow they all became friends. How small the world is :)

Posted by Richard on May 28, 2004 9:58 PM

Oh yeah, I knew they all were from California. Cara mentioned that she moved to Phoenix with her ex-husband, I believe, so that's why I mentioned it... How all three of them went from Cali, to Arizona, to NJ.

Posted by Richard on May 28, 2004 10:00 PM

So, the person who more recently posted under Anonymous or Cara or whoever else is here who is originally from the Bay Area... Is what mb says about Joumana true? (things like she was still messing around with some of Jason's friends and maybe some other people after she got engaged to Jason) or not? I figure someone here must know, since at least a couple people seem to have been friends with her before she married Jason.

And was Jason still with Amy even after he became engaged to Joumana? If so, did Joumana know about this? Just curious. Discussing this Kidd "saga", if you will, is interesting and fun.

Posted by jessica on May 28, 2004 10:41 PM

Well it's nice to see we have some credible sources here to tell us the truth so that we don't always look like idiots here, telling each other incorrect info. haha

A poster on a Nets message board today said that Kidd smoked a lot of marijuana back in college at Cal. Now I know he was a heavy drinker, but I never heard about this smoking pot stuff. Now it's not a bad thing (although it is quite unhealthy for you) because unfortunately plenty of teenagers smoke pot or just smoke in general nowadays. So I was just wondering if Kidd smoked marijuana or if it was just the drinking he was into.

Posted by Linda on May 28, 2004 10:57 PM

what is jason a mix of? hes not 100 % white , is he?

Posted by obi wan kenobi on May 29, 2004 1:45 AM

wow, it's heated up on this message board. Action is good, no matter how bad the Nets season ended! I really was pulling for NJ to win the east again.. :( For you Jason Kidd fans out there, u should check out the new NBA HOOPS may magazine.... GREAT JKidd Pictures!! And u can definetly see JOUMANA is the tatoo written on his wedding ring finger. 11pages and 10 pictures! Although there's nothing that intersting in the article... same old. Well, I'll have to check this page out through out the offseason for some more news! Peace OuT

Posted by tor on May 29, 2004 2:06 AM

obi wan kenobi, Jason is half black, half white. His mother is Irish and his father was black.

Posted by Heather on May 29, 2004 3:29 PM

The Nets would have won the east again if Jason was healthy. They are better than Indiana and Detroit when Jason can do what he normally does.

Posted by Heather on May 29, 2004 3:31 PM

Also on that message board I was talking about yesterday, a poster (who is friends with a guy who played basketball with Jason at Cal) said that "Jason still likes his vices to this day."

I don't know if this is true. I didn't think someone who tatooed his wife's name around his wedding finger and someone who has pretty much been given a second chance after physically hurting his wife would cheat on her, but who knows. Are there any NBA players that don't involve themselves in infidelity? I don't understand why it's so hard to remain loyal to the person you love. What's wrong with relaxing in your hotel room, watching movies, surfing the internet, calling friends/family, maybe going to a nice restaurant with teammates, shopping in the city that they are in, go play golf, read a magazine, etc? I mean, there are so many things these guys can do rather than cheat on their spouses. Do any NBA players truly love their wives? Geez, it's hard to watch and root for these guys on TV when you know how bad they act.

Posted by Linda on May 29, 2004 4:11 PM

Yeah Linda, I feel ya. I wish there was a way to know which guys were the moral ones, if there are any. I would think Jason is one, but you never know, especially given his past history when he was at Cal and in Dallas. Maybe he truly has changed from the "immoral" guy he was back then. I don't know, but I bet at least a couple people who read here must know.

Posted by jeanette on May 29, 2004 11:20 PM

Random question. Can Joumana and/or Jason cook? Or do they do the take-out thing every night? Curious how rich professional athletes handle the meal situations. Come on, people, don't be shy.

Posted by Netsfan on May 29, 2004 11:23 PM

Why did everyone go quiet all of a sudden? Come back, guys.

Anyone know when Kidd's knee surgery will be?

Posted by Anonymous on May 30, 2004 11:02 PM

Does Jason still have a very bad temper or has he learned to control it?

Posted by the one with the ugly name on May 30, 2004 11:22 PM

Jason's supposed to go for an MRI this week. From there, they will have to come up with a schedule/plan for whatever needs to be done, which includes surgery. He told the media late July for surgery, but the doctors may think that's too late, depending on what they find in the MRI or what they feel would be best.

Has Jason been golfing through all of this? I wonder if he can golf with a pretty bad knee and if he's planning on going to Tahoe this July. His name is on the roster.

Posted by Anonymous on June 1, 2004 3:23 AM

Linda, men, are on a different page then us when it comes to infidelity. It's never going to be understood why they cheat. (Not saying women don't either) These athletes have you know what coming at them 24/7, and you wouldn't believe the things these women think of to lure them. I have seen some crazy things first hand. I used to date an athlete and they would be touching him on his **** right in front of me. There are some pretty stank women out there. I think there are some athletes are 100% faithful, but few and far between.

Cara did move to Jersey first, and I think they were in Arizona around the same time. It was a coincidence though, no one was following Joumana. They were friends b4 Jason came around. Cara's twins are older than Joumanas. Thats how I know that she is really Cara Jett who was married to James Jett.

Jason did used to smoke weed and drink a lot but I don't think he smokes weed anymore, not sure about drinking.

Posted by mb on June 2, 2004 12:19 AM

Wow. I had no idea the women around these guys were so bad. You would think it would turn the guys off, but instead it seems to work the other way around. I wonder if these women do this stuff when Joumana is with Jason on some of the road trips she goes on. If I was her, it would drive me nuts if I saw them touch his **** right in front of me. I would probably want to punch their lights out.

I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, but I wonder if Jason's weed smoking and heavy drinking have anything to do with why TJ's head turned out to be so large. I'm probably way off base, but it's just a thought.

Posted by Netsfan on June 2, 2004 12:49 PM

Hey Cara - I saw your name on an email send last week by J to me.
I am also a friend of J's....from about 6 years old to high school. Don't waste your time trying to make things right on this site. I've been away from this site for about 3 months and the same conversation is going on. I mentioned to J about a month ago that you were on this site backing her up. Now reading back it looks like you also let J know about this crap. I know that TJ is with him at as many games possible and she needs the support (nanny's/help)sytem to accomodate her working mom/celebrity lifestyle. You know her better in the last 10 years than I, but yes I know about the big bust she has always had. Her children look like Joumana when we were in kindergarden. I have never met Jason, if I do great, if not, no biggie since she is my lifetime friend. I am looking forward to our buddy reunion this summer.
Joumana has had the same best friend since middle school and they still are close. That says a lot about someone to me.

You are read enough of this and you have to post something!!!

Posted by perlirojo on June 2, 2004 3:58 PM

Joumana does seem like a good and loyal friend and a good mother. No one here is really saying anything mean. We are just asking questions. Thanks perlirojo for the info. It is always good to hear from people who know the Kidds personally.

perlirojo, are you the person by any chance who said way way back that Joumana always liked the spotlight and dated Ralph Tresvant in the 8th grade?

Posted by Anonymous on June 3, 2004 1:07 PM

Oops. That last post was by me. Sorry about that.

Posted by Linda on June 3, 2004 1:08 PM

Yes I am, but she did not date him. We were all on this New Edition kick in middle school. Especially Joumana

Posted by perlirojo on June 3, 2004 4:04 PM

Ohhh, I see. Do you know her ex-boyfriend Sheldon? She was really into him, huh? Someone here said that she only left him because she knew Jason "would provide a better future for her" or something like that. This Sheldon guy must of been awesome.

Posted by Linda on June 3, 2004 9:03 PM

Cara, if I posted my email address, would you be able to email me at some time? I have a question. I can post my address here if you say yes.

Posted by Heather on June 3, 2004 10:46 PM

Hello Ladies and Gents,
I see you guys still go it going on.. But at least for the most part you are being nice. I like that. Perlirojo, have we met? I'm glad to see that you got my girls back too. You've known her a lot longer then I have, so you know as well as I do, what an awesome woman she is. I know you don't know her husband, but do you know the children? They are a beautiful family.. Hey were you part of the New Edition dance routine that she and her friends made up back in the day? She showed me the routine a long time ago, and I was rollin'. She had the steps down.. I think it was for a talent show or something. Anyway, it was really cute. Funny how people just make stuff up, like Joumana dating Ralph T.. I mean, couldn't yall have just liked New Edition, like everyone else, without a rumor that she was dating one of them?! 8th grade, Joumana dating? I don't think soo...She was way too busy with school and soccer..

Heather my dear, you can email me your question. I've posted my email address in prior posts on this board. If you can't find it, then go ahead and post your email, and as soon as I get a second I will respond.


Posted by Cara on June 4, 2004 5:54 PM

I was in the crew Cara. It was Drama in Ms. Musante's class. We all had to do lip sinc skits. We also did "Jungle love" and "In my House" by the Mary Jane Girls. I have not met you but sent you an email on your AOL address. I still have the steps to all the dances we used to do. Joumana, Jesssica and I were all on the same Soccer team. My mom used to give us rides on Saturday games. Reply to my email from your aol address so we can talk off this site. I'd like to talk to you. Yes, she is a wonderfull woman with a fan base of haters!! I can't wait to see her! EMAIL ME

Posted by perlirojo on June 4, 2004 6:54 PM

Perlirojo, we are not haters. I think all this stuff is very interesting. I enjoy learning about Joumana and what she was like back in the day. Tell us more if you would like :)

I think it's cute that both Joumana and Jason played soccer when they were kids.

Posted by jessica on June 4, 2004 8:34 PM

Sheldon Merritt. This is the kid Joumana dumped to be with Jason, right? This is the guy Joumana was talking about when she said she once "had thought he had hung the moon." How long did they date? Did they go to the same high school and/or college? So did something go wrong between Sheldon and Joumana or did she want to break up for financial reasons (aka, Jason is obviously richer and more famous)? Sheldon supposedly tattooed Joumana's name on his chest. That's a pretty ridiculous thing to do if you aren't even going to tie the knot. Whatever. Jason's tattoo of her name on his ring finger is a helluva lot sweeter :)

Posted by Rice-a-roni on June 5, 2004 12:37 AM

you go like-a-dis it-tttt-open

Posted by damon stoudamire on June 7, 2004 6:21 PM

Um, okay.

Posted by Anonymous on June 8, 2004 12:14 AM

We need people like cara, mb, or pink here or this board goes insane.

Posted by Anonymous on June 8, 2004 12:15 AM

has anyone found anymore pictures of the Kidd's 'cause my boyfriend and me are going to decorate my nursery for our baby, this weekend. It's going to be (my favorite team) half nets and (his favorite team) half rockets. there's also going to be other little nba team stickers on the wall but these two teams will sand out more. hit me up if you get anymore pictures of jason, or anything on the nets. PEACE

Posted by mimi on June 8, 2004 5:28 PM

Does Jason golf every day? Jason's still trying to avoid having knee surgery. Maybe it's because he would go nuts if he couldn't golf every day :)

Posted by Jeanette on June 9, 2004 12:31 AM

That commercial is hella funny when Jason can see in the back of his head and the doctor is telling him to read the chart. I was rolling when the doctor was waving his hand in front of the chart and Jason was like "doctor I can't see when you are doing that". It's hard to laugh at me just explaining it, but if anyone saw it, it is funny cuz he is hella irritated.
I don't know, sometimes I can be corny like that.

Posted by mb on June 9, 2004 12:46 AM

Haha, mb, I love that commercial as well. Very funny.

Posted by Linda on June 9, 2004 3:41 AM

M.B., still putting people in their place, keep it up girl,I see their have been some interesting conversations going on in my absence, please lets keep it up, by the way who the hell is James and Cara Jett?

Damon Stoudamire, oh Pleeeeease people stop It!

Posted by D.D. on June 11, 2004 12:43 AM

I can't believe how much the twins look like Jason, whoever said that those twins might not be his was wrong,they look like female versions of Jason!

Posted by D.D. on June 12, 2004 2:43 AM

They do look just like Jason. I think someone here said that before they were born, Jason didn't know if they were his. I have no idea if there's any truth to that though. I wouldn't think so, but you never know.

Posted by Linda on June 13, 2004 3:59 PM

Cara, where are youuuuuu?????????

Posted by Anonymous on June 14, 2004 2:58 AM

James Jett played for the Raiders and Cara is his ex-wife.

Posted by mb on June 15, 2004 2:09 AM

Cara, next time you talk to Jason, tell him that true Nets fans appreciate everything that he has done for this ball club and that we are thrilled to have the best point guard in the NBA on our team. He is truly a blessing to this team.

Posted by Anonymous on June 15, 2004 7:47 PM

Will do!! Love to see the positive..

Posted by Cara on June 15, 2004 9:10 PM

Does anyone know what day Jason's surgery will be? I hear he will be at a party Saturday night for the US Open, so it has to be after then.

Posted by netsfan on June 16, 2004 11:18 PM

Perlirojo, your lifetime best friend who is an Arco employee, she never dated Mateen Cleaves, right?


Posted by jessica on June 17, 2004 1:16 AM

Oops, sorry about the extra letters there.

Posted by jessica on June 17, 2004 1:17 AM

I miss the Kidd family info that we had been getting here for a while. Anything you could tell us, Cara or Pink or anyone? Are they up to anything good or interesting? There's got to be something, even if it's small because you know the crazy fans here will still appreciate info even if it's only a little bit :) Come on, guys. You know you want to liven up this place ;)

Cara and perlirojo, did you guys ever have that get together with Joumana? How did it go? Does she still like NJ? Is she still working on a tv show? Will it air this year or no?

Posted by Linda on June 17, 2004 1:32 AM

I don't know if it's Ok to talk about the surgery. I have spoke to her more on email lately. She will be coming out soon to get together with some old friends and bring her kids to see her mom. With everyone so busy, it looks like it will be at least another 2 months. Our friend at ARCO is married to her long time love w/ 2 children, so no would be the answer to Jessica's question. Cara, never heard from you - sent email w/ my private address.
What's up? Also, I have never met Cara, we just have a mutual friend. Hop this anwers some questions

Posted by Perlirojo on June 17, 2004 4:12 PM


Posted by Perlirojo on June 17, 2004 4:13 PM

Thanks, perlirojo! Always great to hear from you :)

Posted by jessica on June 17, 2004 6:12 PM

Jason's knee surgery will be July 1st. He will be on crutches for 6 weeks.

Posted by Anonymous on June 20, 2004 3:18 AM

Oh, thanks for the info. What will Jason do for 6 weeks without his golf? :) I'm curious to see how he plans to keep busy.

Is Joumana still working on a tv show or did that fall through? Is she still not going to talk to the media ever next year?

Posted by Linda on June 21, 2004 1:53 AM

Jason was in Southampton. I don't know if he's still there. That's for all you people who think it's fun to know what's going on with him.

Posted by Anonymous on June 22, 2004 9:43 AM

I'm new here. I'm a huge Kidd fan and this stuff is all very interesting. I actually had an hour of free time this morning and read all the posts here. While some people have some excellent information, I think a lot of you are lying. Even you, mb, who seems to have a lot of info. Here's one thing that stood out to me that kinda told me that you may lie a little, maybe to prove your point (ex. Joumana's slutty)

First you said that your cousin had to check Joumana's behind before.... Then a few posts later, you changed it to your sister. Quit telling stories. Also, I think you made up the thing about hearing that Jason didn't know if the twins were his. That's the biggest bunch of bull I ever heard. Jason was telling the media how excited he was and how he was going to hear the baby's heartbeat (they obviously didn't know it was twins yet) about 6 months before the birth. You wouldn't go around telling people how excited you are if you aren't even sure that the babies will be yours. Don't make up crap. Then you say you've dated players and are friends with them, yet you won't even say what team these guys play for. Maybe because it's all one big lie? You seem to not like Joumana and Jason (maybe all of the attention they got in the area?) and you seem to make up things to try to convince us that they aren't good people. Oh well. Enough with the bad stuff. You actually seem like one of the most intelligent posters here. You always think reasonably and you did solve the 'mystery' of Cara Jett.

Pink and Cara, you both seem like very credible sources. I wouldn't be surprised if you are both the same person (similar writing styles), but you seem to tell the truth more than just about any other people who claim to be inside sources. I think I speak for many people here when I say that your posts are great and that we wish you would post more often and keep us updated.

perlirojo, you're posts are great. Very interesting. You probably don't think your posting anything to great, but for fans, it's actually very much appreciated. And do tell Joumana about this board when you get a chance. I think both her and Jason would be interested to see what some people are saying and even making up on here.

On a side note, I wish Jason the best of luck with his surgery. Hopefully, they can fix his knee so he can get back to being his former self. Many fans feel that the Nets would have won a championship this year if Jason had been playing at close to 100%. If they can fix his knee and make some minor changes to the roster, they will have a good chance to win it all next year. Good luck Jason and the Nets and I hope the new ownership won't get in your way of winning an NBA title.

Posted by New here on June 22, 2004 11:59 PM

Joumana's brother doesn't live in Phoenix by any chance, does he? Cara, I'm guessing you would know. Thanks if you could answer.

Posted by the real anonymous on June 23, 2004 2:48 AM

Nice insight "New Here". Joumana does know about this site. She knows what is being said. I brought it up on the phone a couple months ago and her words were - "If I kept up with that site, I would drive myself crazy!" She is right.
I keep checcking this site to see if there are any questions I can answer. I am curious as to what is being said and who claims to know her. INTERESTING

Posted by perlirojo on June 23, 2004 3:25 PM

You guys want some insight......your guy is about to be traded!

Posted by Pink on June 24, 2004 9:14 PM

Well new here, point taken. I have nothing to lie about, it was my sister who had to check Joumana, I don't know why I would have said my cousin, I don't have any "real" cousins. If I said cousin, that was obviously a mistake. That did happen though.
Also as far as not knowing if the twins were his, I said I had "heard" that, I didn't say I knew for a fact, or I actually heard Jason say that. Someone on the board brought it up and I just stated that I did hear that as well. I didn't say I believed. Alot of things I "hear" and I make that very clear when that is the case. When things I experience or hear first hand, I will let it be known.
No I don't give names of the people I dated because that would be putting their business out there and what they have entrusted in me, so sorry if you want to know and I haven't said who they are. I have went to school with a few athletes, as well as do still have quite a few friends who are athletes. Either you believe it or you don't.
I realize not everyone is going to agree with what I say or my opinion. I'm not here to please anyone or make friends, it's a nice pastime. There are alot of cool people on this board, and there are some who hate you or want to attack you if you say anything negative about the Kidds.
You also said I might not like Jason and Joumana because of all the attention they got in the Bay. Well that wouldn't be true because (especially in Jason's case) the attention I heard or saw was negative. They have grown to be a well respected couple, and that is a good thing.
Then you say I always point out negative about the Kidds, maybe you didn't read "ALL" my post, because that is not true. I have said some negative and some positive things.
I can only go by what I know, or have seen and heard. Thats what you are going by right? That's what most of us have gone by since most of us don't know the Kidds personally. The only person I KNOW know's Joumana well is Cara.
If you think I'm lying, that's your opinion. I know what I know, thats just what it is.

Welcome to the board.

Posted by mb on June 25, 2004 3:43 AM

mb how do you know jason is going to be traded, ad to what team? If you know somthing let it out because I'm all ears,(eyes). You got me jumping ot of my chair and itching to know. I'm sure everyone else is anxious to know, so therefore you have to tell. You know you got all the connetions, let a sista in.

Posted by mimi on June 25, 2004 2:12 PM

Jason's not getting traded. Stephen A. Smith wrote some ridiculous article about teams wanting to trade what seems like their entire rosters for Shaq. Rod Thorn said Smith's comment about Kidd was untrue. Kidd seems to be untouchable. The Nets are not in the running for Shaq. Yeah, the Nets want to keep Kmart, but if they can't, they can't. Kidd is the most valuable piece of the puzzle and unless Thorn gets fired, I don't see Kidd getting traded. Also, with his knee situation, I don't see how a team takes him when they don't know how Kidd's knee will end up after surgery (he should be fine, but you never know.) If anything, Kidd's knee injury may help keep him in NJ because teams may not want to take the risk.

This time of the year, there are always millions of trade rumors flying around. Most of them don't work. While the new Nets owner may not want to spend a lot of money, he has got to know that no one will go watch a crappy Nets team in NJ or in Brooklyn. This team goes back to the lottery without Kidd. Ratner must know this. Thorn must now get creative. He can still improve the team while shortening payroll. And Ratner must also realize that Mutombo's monster contract will come off the books next year. They will trim payroll plenty next season.

The Nets will be fine. Every year there are ridiculous Net trade rumors. Remember Kmart, Jefferson, and Kittles for Garnett? Like that would ever happen. Heck, when Jason was in Phoenix, they were telling him he could get traded to the Lakers. Obviously that didn't happen.

Jason will be a Net next season. And God forbid he isn't, I will never support the Nets and their cheap bastard of an owner again.

Posted by the real anonymous on June 25, 2004 5:21 PM

I doubt Kidd will get traded, especially if they get rid of Kittles. I'm hearing Kittles for multiple players in return, which wouldn't be so bad considering our depth wasn't too good last season. I also don't think any other team will offer KMart the max. Frankly, he doesn't diserve it. We should be able to afford to keep him and Jefferson, as long as Jefferson doesn't ask for the max (which he has said he won't). This Ratner guy sucks, though. Hopefully, we can maintain our core players (Kidd, Martin, and Jefferson) and improve the team around them despite Ratner. I wish the NBA wouldn't approve a sale like this. You would think that they would like to have a very competitive team in the NY metro area.

Posted by netsfan on June 25, 2004 5:29 PM

mb, I never said you said ALL negative things. I said it seems like you may make up things to prove a point (which is usually negative).

On another note, I dont think Kidd will get traded either. It's ridiculous.

Posted by New here on June 25, 2004 5:36 PM

Did Joumana play any sports besides soccer? Did she really start working at a donut place when she was 12? I can't imagine having to work at 12. She must have been a good kid.

Pink, go ask the Kidds about this. I doubt anyone has told Jason he will be traded. Heck, there are rumors about almost every player in the league being traded right now. Anything is possible in this league, but a Kidd trade? Not likely, unless the Nets somehow convince themselves that keeping Martin is more important than keeping Kidd (which won't ever happen, unless Kenyon gets a max offer, which he may not, AND Rod and company turn stupid).

Our core may stay together. This is trade rumor time. There is nothing to talk about, so people make up trades. Happens every year.

Posted by Another Nets fan who has been lurking on June 25, 2004 5:43 PM

Yeah, if anyone goes, it will be Kittles. Then, they could let Martin walk IF he gets a max offer. I really don't see that happening, so maybe only Kittles will go, if anyone. Kidd is untradeable. In fact, the most credible paper in NJ said the Nets offered a combination of players for Shaq and that EVERY player was involved in one combination or another EXCEPT for Kidd. That, to me, says he's untradeable (thank goodness).

Posted by Linda on June 25, 2004 6:13 PM

As long as we can save up some money (Ratner insists) by trading Kittles for a few players in return and maybe buying out Harris and/or Rogers, and KMart is offered less than the max or they let him walk, we will keep Kidd, no problem. I am not worried until I see what they do with KMart.

And now for more important manners (haha just joking), Joumana worked at a donut place when she was 12? How interesting. Perlirojo, do tell us more.

Posted by Anne on June 25, 2004 7:56 PM

Maybe Kidd should invite Ratner to his house for dinner? I mean, I think part of the problem is that Ratner probably doesn't know who the hell Jason Kidd is. To him, these players are just contracts that can be moved around. Maybe if he saw Jason Kidd as a person, he wouldn't be such a Grinch, thinking he's too expensive. I would hope that Rod at least told the Rat how much Kidd means to the Nets franchise. Maybe if Rod told the Rat that people wouldn't renew their season ticket plans and wouldn't go see games in Brooklyn if he gutted the team, that Rat wouldn't be in so much of a hurry to cut salary? (can't you just wait a year, Rat? Mutombo comes off the books next season.) I mean, it's his loss. He makes a crappy team and no one comes to see it. Simple as that.

By the way, I hope he's happy with that extra $3 million from last night after trading our draft pick. I didn't like anyone left in the draft, but I have a feeling we traded it more because the Rat is cheap.

Posted by richard on June 25, 2004 8:03 PM

I'm thinking this small rumor about trading Kidd so that they can sign KMart is just to maybe convince KMart to sign for less than the max. Maybe it's a little plan. You know KMart doesn't want to play without Kidd. This could just be a way to get KMart to accept what he really deserves, which is less than the max.

Posted by jessica on June 25, 2004 10:07 PM

I agree, Jessica. I think this is all an act. Jason is probably laughing as he reads this stuff. I think it's a plan to see if KMart will accept less than the max in fear that he may have to play without Kidd if he demands the max.

Posted by the real anonymous on June 25, 2004 11:16 PM

Trust me on this one. The Nets being purchased had nothing to do with basketball and everything to do with this guy developing in Brookland. Jason is already talking to other teams. Rod Thorn is the one that is going to look like a bad guy, but I think he's busting his butt trying to send guys where they may have a future. Coach Frank is another man who probably is not getting any sleep.

Posted by PINK on June 26, 2004 8:08 AM

Sorry, Pink. The Nets's new ownership loves Coach Frank because he is CHEAP. He is the cheapest coast around and he's actually good. Therefore, he will be Nets coach for a long time.

And we know that new ownership doesn't care about basketball. However, they know that if they don't have a good team, no one will go watch it and they won't make any money. Therefore, they have to make an attempt to have a good team in order to sell tickets. Do you get it?

Posted by the real anonymous on June 26, 2004 1:06 PM

Pink I gotta disagree. The new ownership raised ticket prices this year. NOBODY will go to games if they trade away Kidd. Ratner may not like basketball, but he sure as hell isn't stupid. He has to put a quality product on the floor or NOBODY will buy tickets and ownership won't make any money.

By the way, Pink... The chances of Kidd getting traded as so slim it's almost not worth discussing. The bottom line is that no team can afford to sign 3 guys to the max. Martin either takes less than the max or we let him walk. That is the plan. Kidd will not be traded. Ratner has already said that there is no need to get rid of both KMart and Kidd. He just can't have both of them getting the max. Kidd is the better player, obviously, and he will stay here.

Posted by Anonymous on June 26, 2004 1:23 PM

Kmart won't even get offered the max. We should be able to keep Kidd, Kmart, and Jefferson in the end. Everything will be fine. Rod Thorn and Nets management are being good businessmen and are using the media to help them convince KMart to sign for less than the max. It should work, since he doesn't want to play without Kidd.

Ratner wants to make money and the only way to sell tickets is to have a team that people believe in and want to watch. Remember that.

Posted by Netsfan on June 26, 2004 1:29 PM

I have access to some of the thinking of Nets management. I hear a lot of things every day. Kidd will NOT be traded unless something very unusual happens. If anyone goes, it will be Kmart and they will then try to trade Kittles for SAR so that SAR can replace Kmart. The Nets should still be able to win ball games as long as Kidd and Jefferson (and capable replacements for Martin and Kittles) are there. However, it is also still very possible that we will be able to keep all three (Kidd, Martin, Jefferson).

Ratner doesn't care about basketball BUT, he knows that fans will not purchase tickets if they don't see a commitment to winning from ownership. And also remember that every playoff game you have in your home arena earns you money. The better the team is, the better chance of having more home games, and the better chance of Ratner and the new ownership making money. Ratner does NOT want to trade Kidd because he knows how much revenue Kidd can bring in by being the superstar that he is.

Ratner simply wants to get under the cap this year. This can EASILY be done without trading Kidd.

Pink, I don't know if you are making up your statement about Kidd or what, but I am aware that he is friendly with many other coaches, GMs, etc, in this league. They probably talk all of the time. Bottom line is that only the talks between Rod Thorn and other teams are significant and the feeling from Nets management is that there is almost no chance that they will need to trade Kidd.

Have a good day, everyone, and Nets fans, don't panic. I will check back soon.

Posted by NETS MNGMT on June 26, 2004 1:45 PM

By the way, Pink. Rod is trying to win ball games with whatever roster he has. If you think he is looking to make Nets players happy by trading them to places "where he thinks they will have a future", you are mistaken. That statement makes little sense. First, of all, we really aren't looking to make major moves. We will probably buy out Harris and Rogers. Kittles will probably end up in Portland or Cleveland or somewhere else. Rod will ship him to the place where he can get the best value in return. We should be fine if that happens.

Posted by NETS MNGMT on June 26, 2004 1:50 PM

One last thing.

The Nets made an offer to send Kenyon Martin to Denver in return for Nene and other considerations. The priority here is keeping Kidd.

Posted by NETS MNGMT on June 26, 2004 1:54 PM

Cara and Pink, do you guys know each other or know of each other?

Posted by Linda on June 26, 2004 6:48 PM

You all have no idea!!!! The shit has hit the fan, you'll see it is about to become public any minute. Ratner just wants to move the team so that he can start developing around it. Believe me I am sick about this. San Antonio and Denver both have talked with Jason. They first called Rod to get his permission. Rod and Jason are very close. Rod has one year left and then he will be retiring. The only way this trade will not happen is if the NBA doesn't approve Ratner as the new owner. This will never happen. Russ Granite is Rod Thorns best friend and Rod has pleaded with him not to let this new ownership do this. I know this is all so hard to fathom. "Nets Management" who ever you are....take your horse blinds off. Everyone who is significant over at the offices has known about this for a couple weeks now. Jason is having his surgery on Wednesday. No I don't know Cara

Posted by pink on June 26, 2004 10:14 PM

We know what Ratner wants to do. However, it has been known that he simply wants to get under the cap at this time. This most likely will not involve Jason. Pink, it is more likely that Kittles will be moved and Harris and Rogers will be bought out. It is more likely that KMart will be signed and traded or they will let him walk. Ratner knows he has to at least keep Kenyon or Jason. Kenyon is MUCH more likely to go.

I don't understand why you think you know everything, Pink. Do you follow the NBA? The Nets are trying everything to get under the cap that DOESN'T involve Kidd. Obviously, Ratner knows attendance will drop dramatically if he doesn't keep his star player in the building.

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2004 12:21 AM

Pink, everyone at the offices knows that we tried to trade Kenyon Martin on Thursday to Denver. Ratner wants us to keep one of the two (Kidd or Martin), and Kidd is the obvious choice for now. Stop being so doom and gloom. It isn't as bad as you think. There is a direct correlation between Ratner earning money and the Nets having a good team. Think about it. Think hard.

Goodnight everyone.

Posted by NETS MNGMT on June 27, 2004 12:28 AM

How does Joumana feel about maybe having to move to San Antonio or Denver after thinking she would be in NJ for at least another 6 years? I heard she HATED the idea of going to San Antonio last year. Doesn't she have a job in this area?

A trade at this time would definitely end up telling me if Joumana's love for Jason is completely legit or not. Will she follow him wherever he goes like she said she would?

Posted by Linda on June 27, 2004 12:31 AM

It's Granik, by the way. And it's Brooklyn, not Brookland. It's Ramsey, not Ramzi. You have spelled enough things wrong to convince me that you don't live in this area and maybe, perhaps, talk to Joumana Kidd on the phone. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by NETS MNGMT on June 27, 2004 12:44 AM

Everyone is saying July 1st, which is Thursday, for Jason's surgery. Maybe they changed their minds and made it Wednesday.

Did Joumana give you this info, Pink? Is she pissed? Is Jason pissed?

I hope the Nets doctors aren't operating on Jason. I would be scared to let them operate, knowing it wouldn't really matter (to the Nets) if they screwed up the surgery since Jason will be leaving anyway. Scary thought.

It's all over the newspapers that trading Kidd is the LAST resort. They are trying to get rid of Kittles, Rogers, Harris, and Martin before they let go of Kidd. I could see why Ratner wants at least Kidd or Martin here, because they will rack in more dough for Nets management than a team without a star would.

Posted by Nets fan on June 27, 2004 12:50 AM

Kidd's discussions with SA and Denver may amount to absolutely nothing if we work a Kittles deal out or do something with KMart besides offer him the max. They are looking to do a lot of thing before they get rid of Kidd.

Posted by Richard on June 27, 2004 1:04 AM

Ratner cares about his housing complexes in Brooklyn. He needs MONEY for these. He can't afford to trade Kidd because it won't sell ANY tickets for the next few years before the team goes to Brooklyn. Ratner won't be able to AFFORD Brooklyn if he can't sell any tickets.

Kidd is safe unless Ratner decides to pay KMart (this is VERY unlikely).

Pink, pay attention to OTHER players. Nets management wants to get rid of THEM, not Kidd. Kidd at CAA at least can sell some tickets and earn Ratner some money before they go to Brooklyn. Ratner needs MONEY to even be able to do anything in Brooklyn.

Posted by Richard on June 27, 2004 1:09 AM

Oh yeah, there is a LOT of access to people closely involved in Nets management circles. Everyone with inside sources, except for you Pink, has said that a Kidd trade is VERY unlikely. If anything, it has been made known that Kidd is virtually untouchable.

This past week, it was reported that the Nets offered HALF their team for SHAQ, who is the most EXPENSIVE player in the NBA. RATNER wants SHAQ because he will sell tickets, despite the fact that he is making 30 million dollars next season!! The Nets offered KENYON, RICHARD, KITTLES and others for SHAQ. KIDD was UNTOUCHABLE.


Posted by Richard on June 27, 2004 1:13 AM


Posted by Richard on June 27, 2004 1:15 AM

Bullshit, Pink. What, is Rod letting Jason negotiate his own trade now? Jason's under contract with the Nets. Rod will trade him to the team that he feels he can get the best players in return. It wouldn't be where Jason wants to go.

Please, this is dumb because he isn't going anywhere. KMart, yes. Kittles, maybe. Kidd, NO. Calm down.

Posted by Net with a clue on June 27, 2004 1:20 AM

I hope he stays in New Jersey, because he's not wanted
in San Antonio by Spurs fans!

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2004 1:37 AM

When he first came into the NBA he was this great Point Guard,now he's just a joke! the only reason why he gets attention now is because of his "pretty" wife!

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2004 1:43 AM

Thanks, Spurs fan, for your beautiful message. Maybe you can call Jason and tell him he's not wanted in San Antonio, but it's not like he is going there anyway. The Spurs want Kobe or a big man to help Duncan.

Kidd IS NOT getting traded. Ratner wants to get under the cap by getting rid of anyone BUT Kidd. This has been confirmed. Call Rod and ask him yourself.

And Spursfan, still bitter over your 2nd round exit? I'm sorry. Kidd needs surgery, by the way. That is why he hasn't looked himself lately. He will be fine in November.

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2004 2:23 AM

Pink, wake up and keep up with the facts. If Denver wants a Net, they want KMART, not Kidd. They are also looking for a shooting guard, in particular Manu GINOBILI of the Spurs. They want a big man. The Nets offered Kmart in a trade for Nene last week, but Denver declined because they have enough money to sign KMart outright without giving anyone up in return once July 1st comes around. It has been confirmed that the Nets WILL let Kenyon walk if he is offered the max by another team. Kidd will remain a Net. He should be happy. It's a pain in the ass moving across the country.

And San Antonio wants KOBE BRYANT or a BIG MAN. NOT Kidd. They are NOT willing to part with Parker and Ginobili for Kidd.

Kidd is not going anywhere. You do not have to worry, Pink. I promise you.

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2004 2:36 AM

Today the media is reporting that Denver will offer Kenyon Martin a nax contract worth $85 million this week. The Nets will NOT match it. They will then try to trade Kittles for SAR later in the summer. There will perhaps be a buyout of Harris and Rogers to save some money. SAR and Mutombo will come off the books after this season. Ratner will be able to save all the money he wants while still being able to sell basketball tickets by putting a competitive team on the floor (with Kidd, Jefferson, the new center Krstic, SAR, anyone else we sign with the LLE, etc). Ratner knows he needs to sell basketball tickets to be able to afford his Brooklyn project. Tell Kidd to relax. He isn't going anywhere.

Posted by jessica on June 27, 2004 11:13 AM

Oops, MAX not nax. Sorry about that.

Posted by jessica on June 27, 2004 11:14 AM

It takes forever to get real estate done in NY, especially real estate that is causing such a controversy. Ratner cannot trade Kidd because he will lose money and it will take him even longer to get things built in Brooklyn. He may be a businessman, but he's no dope. HE MUST SELL TICKETS or he will lose even more money.

Posted by Netsfan on June 27, 2004 11:23 AM

Rod will quit if he is forced to trade Kidd. Right now, it doesn't look like he will have to because it seems like KMart will be going to Denver. Rod and Jason played golf together this weekend. They are close. If Jason goes, Rod goes. However, this doesn't seem like it will happen, which is good news for Jason and his family. I doubt Joumana wants to move anyway. I wonder how she is taking all of this trade rumor stuff?

Also, SA and Denver do not want Kidd. Denver is committed to getting KMart and SA wants Kobe or a big man to help Duncan. They are set with Parker and Ginobili. Jason would need to pass a physical to sign with another team anyway. No teams would want to take such an expensive risk when nobody knows what the state of his knee will be come October.

Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2004 11:49 AM

Seriously, Pink, if you know Kidd and his family, tell them to relax and not to worry about it. The chances of him getting traded are RIDICULOUSLY slim, especially with Denver set to offer KMart the max, which the Nets will not match unless Ratner magically disappears.

Everything will work out. Rod can still put a good team together even within budget restraints that Ratner has set. With Kidd, RJ, Krstic (who is supposedly very good), and whoever else, I still like our chances in the east.

Posted by Relax on June 27, 2004 11:53 AM

Ratner is also fully aware that star players sell tickets. (Hence, why he tried to get Shaq last week.) He needs Kidd to make sure that they can put some people in CAA for the next few years as they prepare for Brooklyn. He can't have 5000 people showing up. He NEEDS a star on the team to make money.

Maybe if the Nets move to Brooklyn in 2007 (kinda doubt it), Kidd will be there. He would probably LOVE playing in a new arena in New York. By that time, Ratner will sell the team and everything will be fine.

See what happens with KMart first before you freak out.

Posted by Relax on June 27, 2004 11:58 AM

How great would it be to see Kidd retire as a Net? He deserves it after he saved our franchise. According to sources, it seems like the Nets will part with Martin, not Kidd. Maybe there is a way to keep Martin as well if Denver suddenly decides not to offer Martin the max (wishful thinking, I know).

Hopefully Ratner will sell the team by 2007 to someone else. (Any owner has to be better than him.)

Posted by the one with the ugly name on June 27, 2004 12:08 PM

"Nets Management" did you think you were talking to Rod there for a second? Gloom and Doom? I can count the people on one hand who use that term. Wow.... You are really giving yourself away. I am hearing this stuff from the horses mouth. The latest is that; there is a discrepancy as far as what surgery he should have so it has been canceled all together. He is going to see the Dr. Wednesday and then they will determine if he will have the one with the longer recovery or the one with the six to eight week recovery. The way things are going with his knee, both San Antonio and Denver can't take him. They want to wait. He would rather have the simpler surgery just for trading purposes alone. I am aware of all the things going on with the other players. No, Jason is not the obvious trade, believe me when I tell you he has considered himself traded. He doesn't know when it will happen, maybe in a month or maybe in the beginning of the season. This is him speaking. Take it easy on the spelling, I've been spoiled with a fabulous secretary who usually does all my typing. I don't take this that serious and neither should you.

Posted by PINK on June 27, 2004 10:46 PM

Linda, you asked about Joumana really liking this area. Well, a story I was told by Jason's agent convinced me where she stood. When the went to San Antonio for that visit last year, they set up a meeting with Clear Channel. For those who don't know this is a company that owns most TV stations to say the least. Every important executive was there to court Joumana. After they gave her the presentation, they asked her what her ultimate job would be. Jeff and Jason both said she sent chills up their spine when she replied by saying that they were courting the wrong person. She told them that this was all about Jason and that she was so blessed to have had the opportunities that she had. She said she owed most of it to him and that what ever comes her way while she is supporting him is her ultimate job. Jeff said you could hear a pin drop in that conference room.

Posted by PINK on June 27, 2004 11:00 PM

Aw Pink, that is such a sweet story. Almost made me cry it was so sweet. Thanks for sharing.

But Joumana obviously does want to keep working in television even if they move, right? I remember her saying she couldn't imagine not doing something in TV. She's okay with giving up her jobs in NY though, right?

Again, I don't see Jason getting traded. I feel so sorry for him that he considers himself to be traded already. It seriously doesn't seem likely.

Posted by Linda on June 27, 2004 11:37 PM

Are you Joumana? Can you email me if you are? Or I could email you. I would love to speak with you about all of this. Honestly, I know more than you think. I am not part of Nets management, but I have intimate knowledge of what goes on. And are you from the area? We can speak about this privately if you would like.

What do you mean I am "giving myself away"? Because I used the term "gloom and doom"? I'm confused. By the way, in case you forgot, Kidd is under CONTRACT with the Nets. He can consider himself "gone" all he wants, but until management makes a decision, he is ours. Tell him to relax and enjoy it in NJ. It's a hell of a lot better than being in Denver, that's for sure. Jason hates snow right? Jason and family like being able to going into NYC from time to time right? Denver is NOT the answer. He must know this. He doesn't want to have to move, I presume, especially to somewhere far worse than here. San Antonio? Jason knows what it is like there. (Nothing going on. Tornado warnings galore, weird rodeos, etc.) But I digress.

You do realize that Denver will most likely be offering Kenyon Martin a max contract in the very near future? You do realize that the Nets will NOT match this? With Martin gone, the next step is to replace Martin by probably offering Kittles for Abdur-Rahim. After that, it's replacing Kittles, obviously. Ratner has provided a choice- Kidd or Martin. It's a no brainer that Kidd is unreplaceable and that we could manage somehow without Martin. Ratner will most certainly not unload both because he feels he needs at least one to make money. (Also, obviously, from a basketball standpoint, we need Kidd in order to win ball games.) The fact of the matter is that Denver is going after Martin and San Antonio is going after Bryant and/or a big man. Neither of these teams will wait until the "beginning of the season", which you mention, to make trades. It's done this summer or it's not happening. Again, Kidd is not in either of these team's realistic plans. (Yes, I found out today that the Spurs did indeed speak with Jason. However, they have other issues they need to attend to before they even think of taking on Kidd and his remaining $90 million, especially when they don't know how his knee will hold up. Really, it's not realistic for them.) Martin may be gone by the end of July. They will then start looking for a replacement for him obviously, but that would mean Kidd is safe.

San Antonio currently has a point guard in Tony Parker who is convinced that he CANNOT coexist with Jason on his team. Tony refuses to play shooting guard and Jason obviously isn't a shooting guard. Kidd is the best point guard in the league. It would be pointless for him to play a different position since his ability as a point guard is what makes him so special in this league. The Spurs will not give up Parker. In fact, they really have no one that they could trade for Kidd.

You realize that if Ratner forces Rod to trade Kidd (unlikely), it is strictly for financial purposes. Most teams don't have what we are looking for in exchange for Kidd that would help us out FINANCIALLY. All I can say is that San Antonio and Denver are long shots. Their agendas are different right now. Honestly, when they told Jason on the phone that "they want to wait", it was probably nice for "sorry, it's not realistic."

Next time you speak with Jason, tell him that Parker doesn't even want to play with him. Parker wants badly to run the ship at point guard. He's been whining about how Kidd almost tried to steal his thunder last season (by considering signing with the Spurs) for an entire year now. Parker is bitter and the last thing he wants is Kidd in San Antonio. Honestly, Parker still privately complains about Kidd coming close to trying to 'steal' his starting point guard spot last season.

The Spurs have a young back court (and aren't willing to give it up, it seems) and they have Duncan with a max contract and Ginobili due to receive a big contract extention this year as well. They LOVE Ginobili, although Denver is also interested. They can't have Kidd's huge contract adding to it. It just doesn't realistically work.

You ask Jason who he thinks the Spurs will trade him for. I would love to know. There is no trade that makes sense both financially for the Nets and basketball wise for the Spurs.

Also tell Kidd that he should have whatever surgery will completely heal his knee. He will thank himself later. There is no sense getting minor surgery that will probably not heal his knee and it could continue to cause problems as he progresses through the season. If he needs the "major" one (seriously, how major could cleaning out loose cartilage be?), then tell him to go for it. It will pay off in the end. It's better to get it over with than to let this problem linger season after season to the point where he needs ANOTHER knee surgery. Please tell him to do what will heal his knee COMPLETELY.

It's not a big deal if he misses some games in the beginning of the season. What matters more is that he is healthy after the all star break, when teams can position themselves for playoff births. With minor surgery that doesn't correct the problem, he risks having more problems by the end of the season.

Seriously, if his recovery takes longer, he won't get traded. Doesn't he want to keep his family in NJ? I thought he loved this area. Doesn't Joumana love this area? I know she wants to support him, but do you honestly think she would prefer to leave? You make it sound like Jason wants to be traded. It's really not as bad as you think.

Please tell him that he will still have RJ, who everyone thinks will turn into an absolute STAR. Abdur-Rahim went to Cal like Kidd did. Kidd knows he is good. We have a new young center in Krstic, who is supposedly wonderful. Ratner's plans will either crumble or he will sell this team before Jason knows it. Tell Jason not to worry. It will get better. Tell him to have fun with basketball and let the business side work itself out (it will, don't worry). Seriously, he will be happy he kept his family in the area. Everything you could possibly want is in the NY metro area.

Also, Rod is smart. Ratner has a budget, but Rod is creative enough to bring in good role players while obeying Ratner's budget. I have faith that they can still put a good team on the floor. Tell Kidd not to give up yet. Tell him not to worry Ratner. In the end, it's still basketball and it's still fun. There will still be a team of 12 for Kidd to work with. They could actually be good. Just wait and see. And remember RJ!!!! People believe he could be the next Kobe, but less selfish!

I can tell, Pink, that you are upset that he may end up somewhere else. (It's not nearly as certain as you, and even Jason-judging by what you are saying, think it is.) Seriously, tell him some of these things to help convince him that there are really a lot of perks here and that they extend way beyond basketball. I know he cares about his family more than a game. I hope he honestly isn't hoping to get out of here.

And I almost forgot. Spurs fans are OBSESSED with Parker. They are already outraged at the thought of Pop being interested in Kidd. You should see. They are all calling Jason old, crippled, etc. These Spurs fans are clueless. Believe me, he's more appreciated here.

Ah. I must remember that Kidd isn't even a free agent. It's in management's hands.


Posted by NETS MNGMT on June 28, 2004 1:20 AM

NETS MNGMT hit the nail on the head. I'm hearing a lot of the same things from TV and newspapers... Kenyon may go, then Kittles, then we bring in replacements. I'm confident Rod can make this team good while staying within Ratner's budget. There are some good players out there who are cheap and could make our bench better. Kidd seems to be virtually untouchable. They will get rid of Martin instead of Kidd. There's an outside possibility, it seems, to keep both, like if Martin accepts whatever Ratner will offer. Kenyon is stubborn. Someone needs to talk to that boy. Jason should try to convince him to accept less than the max so that the nucleus of Kidd, Jefferson, and Martin can stay together. Ratner will keep all 3 if KMart would just sign for less, it seems. Hell, no team can afford 3 max contracts (although RJ claims he won't ask for one). Even if Ratner liked basketball we would still have this problem (although, not as bad). Have Jason and Kenyon talked? Maybe Jason can convince him to stay for less. As long as they stay within Ratner's budget, Ratner would be happy to have the 3 stars stay. They will bring him money.

I just want to comment on Pink's reply to Linda. If Joumana said they were courting the wrong person, why would they set up a meeting with Clear Channel in the first place? I think she just wasn't impressed with Clear Channel. (San Antonio media is pathetic compared to the media here. Have you guys ever watched the news in other states? It looks so amateurish, even in LA. NY's news is light years ahead of everyone elses.)

I hear Joumana hated what SA had to offer (not basketball wise, I don't think) and when a reporter approached her last year and said he was relocating to San Antonio, she told him something like, "Please, don't go there." This was in a San Antonio newspaper last year. I remember it clearly because it basically bashed Jason and Joumana and I was surprised to see such negativity coming out of the San Antonio media.

The first time I read that message, I had the same feeling as Linda. I thought it was a beautiful story and it is great how much Joumana seems to support her husband. But the second time I read it, I noticed one sentence in particular. The one about Joumana feeling blessed about her opportunities and that she owned it to Jason. It probably means nothing major, but this sounds like it supports that statement someone said here a long time ago about Joumana leaving her longtime boyfriend for Jason because he could provide a better future for her. It's sounds like Joumana thinks she couldn't make it in the TV world unless she had someone rich and famous besides her. Am I reading to far into this? Sorry, I probably am.

Posted by jessica on June 28, 2004 1:52 AM

Jessica, maybe when Joumana said she owed it all to Jason, she was talking about his support and not necessarily his money and his fame. She has to know that money and fame help, though. If she wanted so badly to have a career in TV (and it seems like she did), you could see why she would be better off with an NBA player than that other guy she was with, who probably wasn't too wealthy, just like every person getting out of college and trying to live on his/her own. Hopefully I'm off base and that genuine love was the reason Joumana married him.

Seriously, how do you think Joumana feels about possibly having to quit her job(s), pack up another house, move halfway across the country, find a new house, find new child care, find new friends, find new schools, find everything, set up a new house (while wondering when you will be packing up and moving again). Moving is tough on anyone. It's a pain in the ass. I would feel bad for the Kidd family if they have to move again. That would be moves in 97, 01, and 04. No one deserves that, especially when you don't even get to go to a better place than this. (The NY area is where it's at, sorry to say :) You gotta feel bad for their children as well, especially TJ who probably has friends in NJ now. I can't see how Joumana would be looking forward to it, but it might not even happen.

And I think Rod may have just warned Jason on the golf course this weekend that he could be traded, but honestly, it's so unlikely at this point. We should know VERY soon because I believe Denver can try to sign Kenyon on July 14 (?) We will not give him the max. This is so we can keep Kidd. Don't worry yet, Kidd fans.

Posted by Anne on June 28, 2004 2:08 AM

Pink, read this. Just came out minutes ago.

Kidd will not get traded. If Rod loves Kidd as you say, he will let KMart go before he gets rid of Kidd. Hopefully we can get rid of Kerry Kittles and keep our nucleus.

Posted by Netsfan on June 28, 2004 2:18 AM

I like the sound of that. We trade Kittles. We get a bench in return and bam, we get to keep Kidd and Martin. Don't worry, Jason. You could be Kittles right now, knowing you are main trade bait.

Posted by Richard on June 28, 2004 2:22 AM


Posted by Anonymous on June 28, 2004 2:37 AM

Denver's a cow town. Jason would hate it there. Tell Jason it's Phoenix, but much worse. Nothing going on there. Super boring. LOTS of snow (a helluva lot worse than in NJ).

San Antonio, obviously, isn't much better. Nothing going on. I sware when I was there, I drove down a one-way street by accident for at least 4 blocks and their wasn't even a sole around to tell me I was on a one-way street. It was almost comical how dead it is there. The people are so weird there, too. They get so damn happy when the damn rodeo comes every year. Just different kind of people down there.

I thought both of these teams had a lot of free agents in mind and weren't even considering Jason, but who knows.

Posted by Frank on June 28, 2004 1:31 PM

This will be awesome if this happens... We trade Kittles for SAR (could very well happen), then we have SAR while keeping Jason, Kenyon, and Richard! Jason will love this!! We would then be a shooting guard and a couple bench players (which aren't that expensive) away from a championship!! This would be awesome and it would make damn Ratner happy!!! Jason would love this team with SAR on it!!

Posted by Nets fan on June 28, 2004 5:51 PM

Pink, thank you so much for your info!! It's really very much appreciated! Please continue to update us! I look forward to your posts every night. I'm really nervous about the Nets' plans! It's seems like we have to trade Kittles or we might have to trade Kenyon, or worse, Jason! Scary times!

Posted by Heather on June 28, 2004 9:11 PM

Oops, I mean either let Kenyon go or do a sign-and-trade (which would be better because we can get guys in return)

Posted by Heather on June 28, 2004 9:12 PM


Posted by GOOD NEWS on June 29, 2004 2:10 AM

Seriously, that article could just be Rod covering Ratner's behind and to get people to stop bashing Nets ownership. I think Ratner wants at least Kittles gone this year (which still makes no sense since his contract is up next season already).

Pink, any news? I hope Jason, Kenyon, and Richard are calling each other on the phone and trying to stick together in this. It very well work out if anything that Rod is saying is true. Otherwise, just hope we trade Kittles.

Posted by jessica on June 29, 2004 2:52 AM

It very well COULD work out. Sorry for the error.

Posted by jessica on June 29, 2004 2:53 AM

wow what a mess! Even the thought of trading JK is absurd. I hope it'll all blow over. I thought all the drama was going to be in LA this summer!!! LOL. I wouldn't worry about this talk though. I went through it in Sota with the rumor that Garnett was gonna be traded ....LMAO. But seriously.. NJ better keep their team together. Splitting JK, RJ, and KMart up would not make sense! I hope Jason's knee heals up and wish all nets fans good luck with waiting the off season out. I must say though... if the rumors keep going that JK is shopping around/ or being shopped.....PLEASE KEEP the T-WOLVES in mind! lol.---hey i can dream!

Posted by tor on June 29, 2004 1:54 PM

Hey Donny Marshall! Thrilled to see you back on the Nets summer roster! Hopefully they will sign you. Jason Kidd must be happy to have his buddy back in the area!

And tor, of course the breaking up of our Big 3 makes no sense. If it happens, it's because Ratner is too damn stupid to wait till next year when Kittles' and Mutombo's contracts finally expire. We will have our payroll CUT IN HALF next year if Ratner would just friggin wait.

Thorn claimed yesterday that Ratner will wait till next year. Who knows, though. We will see if they can do anything with Kittles and what happens with Martin this week.

Posted by Netsfan on June 29, 2004 7:22 PM

Well, better news is that Pops over in SA is not so sure hat he wants to make the trade. Rod wanted it done by the 1st and Pops has to take care of the free agents first. That happens on the 15th and by then it will be to late for the Nets. I'm pretty sure Jason is seeing the Dr. tomorrow and will know when his surgery is then

Posted by PINK on June 29, 2004 9:47 PM

Pink, who would San Antonio have traded Jason for? It doesn't even make sense for San Antonio.

Anyway, I'm glad it won't happen. Honestly, the game plan seems to be focused on moving Kittles. If that could happen, we could keep our Big 3.

If we couldn't do that, we could let KMart walk. He IS replaceable, as much as, I think, Jason doesn't believe so. KMart is definitely replaceable. We can build a team around Kidd and RJ and make out just fine.

Posted by Richard on June 29, 2004 11:48 PM

And Richard, we could wait until next year. Kittles and Mutombo's contracts are both up. We would have a MUCH smaller payroll. If Ratner could just wait the extra year, we would be fine.

Posted by jessica on June 29, 2004 11:50 PM

Thanks Pink!! Keep us posted, okay? Nets fans are really sweating this one out!

Jason wouldn't like SA anyway :) I was there (not by choice) for 4 weeks last year and it was awful for many reasons!

Posted by Linda on June 30, 2004 12:04 AM

Tell Jason that everyone REALLY wants him to stay!! He is the best thing to ever happen to this franchise and we appreciate everything that he does for the Nets! We love him here in NJ! And I know attendance isn't that good, but it's mostly due to ticket prices. We sware that there are PLENTY of Nets fans that Jason doesn't even know exist! Please tell him not to ask for a trade! I really hope he's not worrying about the business side. Everything will be okay. Who knows, maybe Ratner's plans will fail (there are already things going on about him "miscalculating" how much all of this building in Brooklyn will cost) and he will sell the team quickly. Or maybe what Thorn is telling the papers is true and we only have to avoid the luxary tax, not dismantle the team completely. I am sure Thorn can be creative in putting a good team together while keeping payroll where Ratner wants it. (And yes, Kittles and Mutombo's contracts expire at the end of season! Our payroll won't be big at all come next year!) Please, I really hope Jason doesn't want to give up here.

I really hope he's not demanding any trades. Things will work out. We can still put a competitive team together while still following Ratner's budget (if we even have to follow his budget this year. Thorn swares that Ratner gave no specific time.)

Posted by Netsfan on June 30, 2004 12:15 AM

Denver has publically announced that they will go after Kenyon Martin, Steve Nash, and Manu Ginobili.

I will bet a lot that Kidd is a Net next year. (He better be :)

Posted by Heather on June 30, 2004 3:14 AM

But Steve Nash looks like he will end up signing back with Dallas again.

The Spurs' number 1 priority will be signing Ginobili.

Posted by Heather on June 30, 2004 3:19 AM

Jason's surgery is tomorrow. It's a scope and if they find something bad, they will open the knee up. Hopefully, it's just a scope.

Best wishes for a successful surgery and a speedy recovery, Jason.

Posted by Netsfan on June 30, 2004 5:33 PM

Thanks, Netsfan. Anyone know what time? I will pray for him. I hope everything goes well and that they don't find anything too bad. And if they do, I know Jason will come back strong. He had an incredible recovery from his ankle surgery a few years ago. I know he can do the same again.

Posted by Linda on June 30, 2004 5:36 PM
Looks like JKidd's micro-fracture surgery today went A OK! Good News! I wish him a speedy recovery!!

Posted by tor on July 1, 2004 9:56 PM

Great to see Jason get through his surgery okay! I didn't know they were going to do microfracture surgery. I really hope he can have a nice recovery. Coming back from that kind of surgery isn't easy, but I know Jason can handle it. Anyone know how long it will take him to recover? How long does he need crutches?

Aw, I wish I could make him a Get Well Soon card and make it from all of the Nets fans on this board :)

Posted by jessica on July 1, 2004 11:44 PM

I also wish Jason a speedy recovery. Stupid question for Pink... Do you know what time Jason's surgery was performed at? Yes, it's bothering me that I do not know. Call me crazy.

Posted by Netsfan on July 2, 2004 12:15 AM

Was Joumana at Jason's surgery?

Posted by Linda on July 2, 2004 3:59 AM

Would Jason get mad if I sent him a card from all of us Nets fans?

Posted by Anonymous on July 2, 2004 5:53 PM

Like, just a card telling him to get well soon and how we are all really hoping that he stays here the rest of his career. Just a little way to say how much we appreciate what he has done for the Nets and that we hope he has a great recovery and that we hope he is in a Nets uniform this year. I thought it would be nice just to tell him how much Nets fans appreciate him and to maybe cheer him up a bit. He's probably not too happy being on crutches and doing rehab every day.

Posted by Netsfan on July 2, 2004 5:59 PM

Jason's surgery was outpatient right? So he's home now? I hope the papers are right when they said his microfracture surgery wasn't as bad as normal ones that are done.

Posted by Anne on July 2, 2004 10:28 PM

Well it looks like this board is wishing for a detailed Kidd surgery report :) Pink, (or Cara if she's out there) have any info? The papers really told us little about it.

Posted by Linda on July 2, 2004 11:18 PM

Well, Ratner has FINALLY spoken to a newspaper. He swares he is willing to keep our Big 3 in tact. He calls the reports of the cost cutting extremely exaggerated. Maybe the jerk finally understands that Mutombo's massive contract expires after this year and that we will be way under the cap after this one season. This article actually made it sound like he had a slight care for a putting a good team on the floor. Maybe he finally got it through his damn head that if he guts the team, he will alienate the current fans of this team and the potential fans from Brooklyn. Obviously, Ratner can't make money this way. Basically, Ratner seems to know that he needs to keep his star player (Kidd) in order to make money. He also sounds willing to work with Rod and Ed to put the best basketball ball team on the floor.

Posted by the one with the ugly name on July 2, 2004 11:45 PM

Really, I don't think he would talk to a paper if this wasn't true. I guess we will see if he matches whatever another team offers Kenyon. If he keeps Kenyon, then I just have to believe that we will keep the Big 3. THANK GOODNESS.

Seriously, this year may turn out to be awesome. All of these players on other teams think the grass is greener on the other side. Basically, all of this moving around will make the teams weaker and will clear a path for our Nets. Our core will be in there 4th year together and Kidd's knee will be better. Our rookie center is very exciting. Who knows who could be on our bench this year. I'm VERY excited.

Posted by the one with the ugly name on July 2, 2004 11:48 PM

Well, Ratner seems to have gotten wind of the hatred the fans and the media have expressed toward him. It seems like he is now looking to respond positively.

GO NETS!!! My advice to the players... Don't worry about this owner dude. Let him do his thing. You guys just do what you do best... Play basketball. While every other team in the NBA is in turmoil, you guys (the core of Kidd, Martin, and Jefferson) stick together and do what you have to do. Everything will work out. This Ratner guy is already starting to shake in his boots.

This part of the NY Times article is interesting. Maybe Ratner does realize how important winning is and that everyone (including the players) will not be satisfied with a lackluster team...

"This is a team that is not making money," said Ratner, who would not discuss the actual losses he said the team has incurred. But, he said, "we also understand the importance to both ourselves, to fans and obviously to players to fielding a winning team."

Ratner, a self-described newcomer to basketball, said one of the most meaningful moments in his brief association with the team occurred when he went into the Nets' locker room after their Game 7 loss to the Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

"It was one of the most moving moments, honestly, of my life, and that's the truth," he said.

"I saw what these players had put into the effort, how disappointed they were, and how down they were about not winning. I really understood.

"For me it was a real eye-opener to how much these players really care and how professional they are. For me, it put the very personal into it as opposed to simply professional, this is a job."

Posted by Netsfan on July 3, 2004 12:19 AM




Wonder if Ratner was feeling like this all along or if it was a sudden change of heart after all the negative press he was getting?

I am also thrilled to see Jason get through his surgery okay. With everything else going on, his surgery really hasn't gotten a lot of attention, so if our wonderful inside sources here would like to contribute some info, go right ahead :)

Posted by Richard on July 3, 2004 4:28 AM

No one has any news?

Posted by Anonymous on July 4, 2004 12:58 AM

Is was mb said true- that Joumana was with a guy weeks before she and Jason got married? Is she the cheating type?

And was she lying when she said that Jason never hit her before their incident?

Posted by AG on July 4, 2004 2:16 AM

Great articles about Ratner in all the papers yesterday and today, huh? The guy had been VERY upset about his portrayal. All of the negativity from the fans and media had really gotten to him. It is a GREAT thing to see for people involved with the Nets, including the fans. Ratner has made too many promises to the NY media to go back on his word now. Ratner knows how much it means put a championship level team on the floor. The Nets are in good shape. Our core will be here. Who knows what the rest of the team will look like, but I am sure Rod and Ed will do whatever they can to make sure we have solid guys around our core. We will be legit championship contenders yet again! Everyone can rest a little easier now, including the players. Kidd has absolutely nothing to worry about. Ratner seems very committed to keeping him at this point.

I cannot wait to see Kidd's return from surgery. He deserves so badly to be able to play without pain after what he went through last season. He deserves to be able to play at the level everyone, including himself, knows he is capable of again. This could be our BEST season in franchise history. I am EXCITED. Go Nets!

Posted by NETS MNGMT on July 4, 2004 4:53 AM

How's Jason doing?

Posted by jessica on July 5, 2004 2:12 AM

I know Joumana took him to his surgery, waited and brought him home only a few hours later. From what I'm gathering he is doing good. A friend of mine is a producer over at CNN. Joumana was supposed to be on this morning and this Friday morning but she told them that she was taking the next couple weeks off? I think everything is fine it's probably just hard for him to get around on crutches.

Posted by Pink on July 5, 2004 8:26 PM

I'm so happy that LA's drama is finally taking over and people will let the nets be. NOW, that being said.... KENYON MARTIN PLEASE SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE!!!! K-Mart needs to stay a Net. I heard that Jason could start rehab on his knee asap... is that true? I agree that his surgery hasn't gotten much coverage. I hope they tell us more. But really what else can they say...LOL. I'm just curious as to what he and his family are going to do this off season. Anybody hear? Also---Joumana was supposed to be on _____? on what? CNN? please inform! Anybody know if she's got any other acting things going? I know she did a little scene for the show Third Watch. But I haven't heard anything else. Also, has she been on Xtra lately? Or is she done with that show? Anybody know anything about Jason's siblings? On his MTV diary show i think they showed his little sister. I just found out that it was his Mom Anne's idea to do that charity nba quilt made of the players jerseys(a few years ago... it hung in the NBA store in NY and I think it raised about 30,000) sorry to ramble.... but this off season makes you wonder about stuff... LOL!!!

Posted by tor on July 6, 2004 12:42 AM

Good to here, Pink.

Posted by Linda on July 6, 2004 2:20 AM

Oops, "hear" I mean.

Posted by Linda on July 6, 2004 2:20 AM

Hey, thanks for the info, Pink. Please tell us when to look out for Joumana on TV. What's going on with her, anyway? Is she just doing NBATV right now or is there more? I haven't seen her on Extra in a while, so I'm guessing she moved on from that. Please let us know what she's working on and when to watch for her. Thanks.

I think the fact that Joumana is taking two weeks off from work while Jason recovers shows exactly where her priorities are- with her family. Jason is so lucky to have such a great wife.

Posted by jessica on July 6, 2004 10:08 PM

I wanted to say thanks to Pink for the recent info as well. It's always nice to here "news" about Jason during the offseason. I'm glad he's doing well. I hope the Star Ledger is right about Jason's knee problem not being the same as Kerry Kittles', Allan Houston's, Chris Webber's, Antonio McDyess's, etc. These guys all missed a ton of time and none of them are the same players they used to be. Hopefully, Jason isn't dealing with what those guys had, like the Ledger reported. I was surprised no other newspapers picked up on this. None of the other papers did any research and most people are in the dark about the whole thing. I was hoping they would have told us approximately how long Jason would be on crutches, and if he had to wear some sort of a knee brace/immobilizer thingy, and what kind of rehab he would be doing early on, and what kind of therapy they have him using (like a passive motion machine or lots of icing or something like that). Oh well. Maybe my curiousity is too great, but I really thought the papers would keep us more informed. This isn't just some scrub on the Nets bench. This is the heart and soul of the team for goodness sake.

Posted by Heather on July 7, 2004 7:48 PM

Don't worry, Heather, you're not the only one. I also would like to know the answers to those questions that you brought up.

Posted by Nets fan on July 8, 2004 2:15 AM

My source tells me that Kenyon Martin will stay in NJ. Yes!! Our Big 3 live on!! Go Nets!!

And I also hear Rasheed is set on leaving Detroit. Awesome! We may be the only team in the East to stay relatively intact! We will rule the east once again!!

Posted by Anne on July 9, 2004 8:42 PM

I hope Jason is calling his buddy Kenyon, making sure he stays. Hopefully Kmart is fully aware that his creepy agent is taking advantage of him and that he is better off with Kidd in NJ. His family is also better off here. If KMart gives a damn about winning and his family, he will stay here. I am sure Kmart is aware that 3 max contracts on one team is not good. Would it be a tragedy to accept a little less than the max if you know it will keep your championship contender team alive? I really hope Kenyon won't do anything stupid. Hopefully Kidd's been talking to him. Ah, who knows, maybe the Nets will end up matching whatever offer KMart gets or at least working out a good sign and trade deal.

If we lose Kmart, oh well. He can be replaced. He doesn't deserve the max from us. He just doesn't. He will suffer in Denver. They aren't that good. Camby will probably get hurt AGAIN and the rest of the guys besides Carmelo are average. Also, Denver is a cow town. Who the hell would rather live there instead of the NJ/NY area.

Posted by GO NETS on July 11, 2004 8:18 PM

I also want to know more about Kidd's surgery. All Nets fans do. Everyone is wondering what his condition actually his. When does he get to walk again? What kind of rehab is he doing? Do they have him using a CPM machine when he sleeps? That thing is awesome. It helps the healing process tremendously. I hope he's got one of those. Is his knee swelling? Does he have to ice it often? Are we looking at 4 months recovery time? 6? Or can they not tell yet? Personally, I hope it takes him at least 4 months, because he definitely deserves to skip training camp for once.

Ah, so many questions. No answers. Seriously, we are definitely in the dark about Kidd's surgery. Maybe once the Kmart situation dies down, we will hear what is up with our star player. I would also like to know what Jason's doing to keep himself busy.

Anyone know the answers to any of these questions? It will put my mind at ease if I know that Jason's rehab is going smoothly and that he isn't miserable doing nothing.

Posted by GO NETS on July 11, 2004 8:27 PM

Kenyon is being annoying. We say we will match the 6 year max and now he wants 7. If that's how he wants to be, good riddance, Kenyon. We are better off without your selfish ways. I never thought KMart was like this, but I guess he is. No loyalty. It's sad.

I wonder if Jason and RJ called KMart on the phone to tell him how much he means to the Nets. It was the least they could do. A simple phone call may have been all KMart needed... Just to tell him, "Hey, don't worry about the business side. You're important to us, your teammates, and that's all that matters in trying to win a championship." Maybe that would have helped.

Oh well. The good thing is that RJ will be a complete star this year. I really hope Kidd is interested in sticking around to see this kid get better and better. Kidd and RJ can do big things this year. Will Martin be around as well? It doesn't look good now, but you never know which rumors will come true.

I hope Kidd still feels loyalty to the fans of the Nets. He has SOOOOO many fans, he probably has no idea. EVERYONE loves him here. There are so many Kidd jerseys everywhere you go. We all love him here. All indications say his family loves it here. He is very much wanted here by the Nets fans from the metropolitan area. I really hope he doesn't demand out just because KMart is doing that. The odds of him getting shipped to a better team at this point are so slim anyway. He is better off staying here. It will pay off in the end and all of the Nets fans will thank him. We are so appreciative of everything he does. He probably doesn't know it, but we are truly greatful. We are blessed to have the greatest point guard in the game in our backyard. Truly blessed. I can't imagine the Nets without him. One of my dreams is to see him retire as a Net. Please don't leave us, Jason. If Kenyon does leave, don't worry about him. He wasn't that good before you got here and we know whoever comes along to replace him will get a lot better just because he gets to play with you.

I really hope Jason's rehab is going well. I know how frustrating it is to not be able to walk. I wish him the absolute best.

Posted by the real anonymous on July 15, 2004 12:49 AM

That was an absolutely beautiful post, the real anonymous. I can only hope that Jason some how reads that. You seem so passionate when you speak of Kidd. I feel the same exact way. I would be crushed to see him demand a trade from this team. I felt like his signing with us last year was not only because we had a championship caliber team and because his family loved it here, but because he was loyal to this team and NJ. I hope he continues to express his loyalty. You are right, the real anonymous. EVERYONE loves him here. He is our savior. He has done everything for this franchise. It would be INCREDIBLE to see him retire as a Net. It would be even more incredible to see him win a championship here. I know he can do it. I hope he knows he can do it. I don't want him to give up on us. Nets fans all over this area pray Jason wants to stick around. We all appreciate him here. I, too, feel blessed to be able to say that the best point guard in the world plays in my state. Please don't demand a trade, Jason. Please.

If Kenyon wants to leave, it's his loss. He won't get to play with Jason and he will have to live in cow town Denver in the mountains or something like that. He will regret it. Kenyon's agent is demanding a little too much- too much for ANY owner, not just ours. If he wants to be that selfish, it's his problem. We will manage without him. There are STILL ways to get better. A Kittles for SAR trade would definitely help us.

I also hope Jason's knee is doing well. Please keep us updated, inside sources. You seem to be hiding. Please share what you know. So many Nets fans here truly care about how Jason is doing. I hope his surgery hasn't made his summer too miserable.

Posted by Heather on July 15, 2004 1:08 AM

I agree with you guys. No reason for Jason to give up on RJ right now. RJ could be one of the best players in the league soon.

I also love Kidd. He is the heart and soul of the team. He made KMart who he is. Without KMart, all hope is NOT lost. I hope Jason knows this. KMart simply demanded too much. 7 years is TOO much. It just is. Denver will regret this. KMart will regret this. He will not like the Denver area. Enough Kenyon talk.

Kidd is my hero. Just Kidd's presence on the floor makes everyone around him better. I am certain that this team can still be one of the top in the east without KMart. KMart IS replaceable. Kidd has to know this. A Kittles for Abdur-Rahim trade would be great at this point. Abdur-Rahim went to Cal like Jason. They would work GREAT together.

Don't give up, Jason! Please don't ask to leave. We can still have a good team here. There is still hope. Don't give up.

Posted by Nets fan on July 15, 2004 2:41 AM

We trade Kittles for SAR. We get Mo Pete from Toronto. We are back in business.



KMart is replaceable!! This is not "Kmart or bust" here. He is a second tier all star. We WILL survive without him!! We WILL be competitive without him!! RJ will be a star!!!!!

Kittles trade expected very soon. It will make us better. We will get a big man, a backup point guard.

All hope is NOT lost in NJ! That should be the motto!!

GO NETS!! Jason and RJ, everything will be okay!

Posted by richard on July 15, 2004 1:25 PM

Jeff told the NY Times that Jason believes in Rod and Ed. I, too, believe in Rod and company!! Go Nets!! We will be fine!!

Kidd and RJ will be the best 1-2 punch in the league next year!

Martin's contract offer got out of hand. His agent got too greedy with the 7th year and there is NO way we should be paying Martin 30 million dollars this season. Denver's offer was ridiculously huge. Only Shaq deserves 30 million in one year. Oh well, Kenyon will regret not signing for less money. Denver is a cow town and he will be overshadowed by Carmelo. And Andre Miller won't be throwing him those sweet lob passes Jason does. Kenyon also won't get as many dunk attempts. Geez. Jason practically made KMart. I am sure Jason's presence alone will make whoever replaces KMart better.

Honestly, KMart's game was so rough. His post moves were weak. He relied on athleticism for the most part. I think if we can just get a power forward in here (please do the Abdur Rahim trade, Rod!) that can at least run and dunk, we will be in pretty good shape. The other good thing about Kenyon leaving is that it frees up some money. We should be able to sign a backup point guard for Jason now. I would love to see us get Anthony Johnson back. He really impressed me in Indiana. Don't get me wrong, I thought KMart did some great things for us, but he isn't even a guaranteed all star. I don't think he will even make the all star team this year. He is replaceable and the Nets will be fine.

One thing that I love about Jason is that he seems so loyal. I know he wouldn't leave all of his fans here. We all love him here. I know Rod and Ed will do everything he can to put good players around Jason and RJ. You're right, guys. All hope is not lost.

Go Nets!

Posted by Anonymous on July 15, 2004 11:21 PM

Hey Cara or Pink. Forward this message to Jason. Tell Jason he better not demand a trade or he will have to answer to millions of Nets fans. Seriously, it's not like he's going to get traded to a better team anyway. Tell him to stick together with RJ and let them build the team around them. Who needs KMart and his monsterous contract. KMart isn't worth that kind of money. A contract like that could be deadly. Let Rod work his magic. Kittles for SAR would be nice. Signing a free agent point guard and/or a big man is possible now. Don't worry, Jason. Everything will work out. RJ is on the brink of absolute stardom.

I'm sure Jason feels loyalty to all of the Nets fans here who love him. He is incredibly appreciated here. Everyone here thinks he's incredible and we are all thankful that he saved the franchise from doom. Please stay. Do not send us back to doom. Please. I will beg (and I know many others would also) if I have to.

Besides, you don't want to go to another team in some cow town where you will step on other guys' toes and where the fans don't appreciate you. This YOUR team here, Jason. It's yours. Please don't give it away.

Anyway, you can try to trade yourself all you want, but no one except like the Clippers will take on your 5 year contract. Do you want to go to another sucky team? Why move your family to an even worse team? Just stay here. You won't regret it. Honestly, it doesn't look that bad right now. You will be fine here.

Oh yeah, the Daily News says Jason is out of the country. Anyone know where he went? Just wondering. I think it would be hard to vacation on crutches, but what do I know. Hope Kidd's rehab is going well. He better be rehabbing for the Nets!!!!!! :)

I know Jason doesn't want any enemies. He better not demand a trade. I'm warning him.

Posted by Biggest Nets fan on July 16, 2004 4:51 AM

Seriously. I kept my season tickets to see you play, Jason. Don't you think about asking to leave. You will depress so many people, you have no idea. The Nets will make up for the loss of Kenyon. He isn't worth the 30+ million dollars the Nets would have had to pay him this year. That is an insane amount of cash. Forget about him. You can win without him. Please don't give up and please don't leave us.

Posted by Linda on July 16, 2004 4:56 AM

I can't believe how selfish Kmart got! Horrible. Come on- he'd have a much better shot at making it to the finals again in the Easter Conference. Going to Denver??? Man Denver isn't going to be making it to the Finals anytime soon... let alone the Western Conference Finals.... what a joke! I guess winning isn't that important to him... He just wanted to get PAID. Not that it's not important to get his for his family, but dang.... common sense?
As far as the Nets are concerned... they got lucky. RJ's gonna need a contract soon and I'd rather give the $$$$ to him. Kmart was a GREAT player for the Nets in the East... He was a Great PF.... But look at it now, He'll be facing My main man KEVIN GARNETT and all the other 'big' guys in the west.... He'll be just average in the Western COnf. THat's it PERIOD. The thing that the NETS have to think about is Facing SHAQ and the rest of Miami!!! Good news for MN.... bad news for Jkidd and the NETS...LOL... sorry! The Heat should be tough now. I'm so happy that LA's paradise has crumbled!!! Kobe is just as selfish as KMart has been. Without Shaq? Kobe will see how hard it is to win. Without JASON KIDD feeding him the ball???? KMart will become just an average Ball player. GO NJ NETS!! the 1,2 combo of Kidd/Jefferson will be great.

Posted by tor on July 16, 2004 1:12 PM

JKidd out of the country? NY Daily News said that? Wow

Posted by tor on July 16, 2004 1:15 PM

I believe this: "The Nets aren't about winning anymore," one of Kidd's teammates said. "It's about development."---- THis new ownership is SHIT!

I found it..
Kidd is out of the country and could not be reached Thursday.

"Jason is processing what happened today," said Kidd's agent, Jeff Schwartz. "He's going to be looking very closely at what the Nets' next moves are. It is very important to him that they remain competitive."

YOU NEED TO READ this if you're a net fan or JKiDD fan--

Also at that site--

So the Nets made a trade to get compensation (two of the three picks could be future lottery choices) for Martin. All three picks have some sort of lottery protection

That may not be enough to keep Jason Kidd content. Several people close to the star guard have said for weeks that the franchise star could ask for a trade if the Nets ended up losing Martin. Kidd, who at 31 desperately wants to win a ring, did not re-sign with the Nets for six years and $103 million last summer to see them trade his All-Star big man and close friend for picks that might never amount to anything.

I really wouldn't blame JKidd if he wanted to be traded... the Nets new ownership is well... SHIT. reading over what I said about KMart.. I realize that most of it was b'c I was mad he deserted Jason.... but the Nets ownership are Partly to blame, I see that. I wonder how long it will take for JKidd to comment on the whole ordeal. All I get from ESPN is the KOBE junk.

As far as JKidd demanding a trade? Who knows. But I hope he'll COME TO MINNESOTA to play with KG IF he does want out~!!!!! lol ***i'm on me knees praying***

Two sources say the Nets still try to acquire other players like Portland's Shareef Abdur-Rahim. But the future looks bleak for a team that went to the Finals twice in the last three years. Kidd could demand a trade. Also, the Nets are down to Aaron Williams and Brian Scalabrine at power forward at the moment and CEO Thorn's contract is up after next season.

Posted by tor on July 16, 2004 1:54 PM

Rod's not done yet with moves. There is more to come. If we get SAR and sign a couple free agents, we will be fine. RJ SHINES when he doesn't play with KMart. And I know Jason likes SAR.

Thorn said we have to take a step back to go two steps forward. Kidd will understand this and he will not desert all of the fans who love him here. Even if he wants to get traded, it would be nearly impossible. If he's thinking he will get traded to a better team, he's mistaken. The good teams are already paying their franchise players a lot of money and the Nets wouldn't take any bad contracts in return.

Jason shouldn't worry. It will get better here. There will be more moves this offseason. We just couldn't have KMart tying up all of that money for the next few years. Our players 4-12 would NEVER be good. We had to choose- RJ or Kenyon. We chose RJ and it's the right move.

Kidd and RJ need to get together and get ready to lead this team. They will be an AWESOME 1-2 punch. RJ will SHINE this year. He was AWESOME last year when KMart sat out. Things will be fine. I have faith in Rod and Kidd seems to as well. Rod said today he has spoken with Jason and he said he knows Jason will play hard for this team, even if it takes a year to get back to where they were. We are VERY much under the cap after this season. Mutombo, Mourning, Kittles, and Lucious all come off the books. We will have plenty of money to go after a pretty good free agent. Should be good. I even think we can be good this year with a couple good moves this offseason. Hopefully we sign RJ long term this August.

Hang in there, Jason. Your family with thank you.

Posted by Anonymous on July 16, 2004 3:29 PM

Everything going on right now is so chaotic. I am scared that I will never get to see Jason play in a Net uniform again. I would be devastated if that happened. He is the reason why I fell in love with this sport and with the Nets.

I really hope he doesn't demand a trade. I know he must be upset to see the team take a bit of a hit (I know they can bounce back), but honestly, he's the one who made us get Alonzo and because we still have to pay so much money for him, that was probably the difference in paying Kenyon and not paying Kenyon. Not saying it is definitely Jason's fault, but he must realize why we are having money issues.

Even without Kenyon, we would still be practically guaranteed a top 3 seed in the east. We luck out in that our division is VERY easy, probably the easiest division in the entire league. So that's some good news.

Does anyone know where Jason is vacationing and when he will be back? The papers make it sound like they think Jason will say something publically about this whenever he gets back from wherever he is. Maybe I'm wrong. I thought he was on crutches? Isn't it hard to vacation when it's hard to get around?

If Jason does end up leaving us (Gosh I hope not), I hope for his sake he doesn't end up on a bad team. That would really stink if he had to move his family and then end up in a place that is incredibly miserable. I wonder what Joumana thinks about all of this. If it is true that she is working on some sort of tv show for the future, this must really stink for her. She's probably trying to convince Jason to stick it out here so they don't have to uproot everything and move.

Posted by the one with the ugly name on July 19, 2004 4:23 AM

Rod says Jason is still on vacation and that he is doing "beautifully" with his rehab. Great to hear him doing well.

And it looks like we may get Shareef and we are also interested in Eric Williams and a backup for Jason like Jacque Vaughn. Sounds pretty good!

Posted by Nets fan on July 22, 2004 2:29 AM

Anyone know when Jason is coming back from vacation? Where is he anyway?

Posted by Richard on July 24, 2004 1:09 AM

I don't know, by my relative's friend planned out the Kidds' vacation for them. And my relative said something about how her friend gets the clothes that TJ and the twins outgrow. Being a huge Kidd fan, I thought it was all very interesting.

Posted by Nets fan on July 25, 2004 4:52 PM

How Jason's knee doing? Is he ready to ditch the crutches soon?

Posted by Linda on July 26, 2004 9:59 PM

just updating the JKidd news..... I heard a bit on ESPN that Jason has set a meeting with Nets Management and is expected to see what the Nets direction is going and doesn't want to be left in the dust... as espn put it. ESPN also said, if Jason doesn't like what he hears.... brace yourself..... he'll make a trade demand. ESPN said that he would prefer Miami, San Antonio or Dallas...... how they got that I'm not sure. It's still a waiting game???? :(

Posted by tor on July 31, 2004 12:13 AM

Hey Jason also Returned from his Mexican Vacation on Thursday 29th,---- there's and article in the Ledger. here's an exert: This low: According to a team official, Jason Kidd returned from his Mexican vacation yesterday and immediately requested a meeting with management at Ratner's earliest convenience, at which time the Nets' captain is expected to demand a trade.

also has plenty of rumor talk on JKidd

Posted by tor on July 31, 2004 12:27 AM

SA would have to give up HALF of their team to afford Jason. It's not going to happen. Also, they don't play Jason's style of ball. Miami can't afford him either. If Jason thinks it's going to better in Dallas, he's mistaken. I'd rather stay with Richard Jefferson instead of going to Dallas. They can't play defense to save their lives and Finley is already in his decline. Basically they have Dirk and that's it. They aren't that good. And Jason knows what Dallas is like- boring and uneventful. He's better off here, but it is good for him to be threatening to demand a trade because it encourages management to try to please him and keep this team good.

Posted by Anonymous on July 31, 2004 6:04 PM

I wonder what Joumana thinks about all of this.

Does anyone know if the whole family went with Jason on vacation or not? Pink? I know you know.

Posted by Nets fan on August 1, 2004 1:25 AM

I was reading on ESPN that the 3 teams he's interested in are Dallas, San Antonio, and the Lakers. San Antonio can't afford his salary, so that's out of the question. The Lakers can't afford him either, but the article said they have enough trade assets that could interest New Jersey in a sign and trade deal. Dallas is the only team that could really afford him, so he might end up there if he's traded at all, but we'll see what happens.

Posted by Shawn on August 1, 2004 4:03 AM

Dallas wouldn't even pay Steve Nash. He wasn't even looking for the max. I doubt Dallas wants Jason. They are desperately looking for a big man. And the Nets aren't that stupid. They are under the cap now, so they are happy. They aren't going to trade Jason for some scrubs like Walker. They want to keep him and RJ together. They are an awesome 1-2 punch.

Hopefully Jason sees it's not going to be bad here. It's really not much better in Dallas anyway. I don't know why he thinks they are so great. They lost their 6th man, one of their main scorers, and they play no defense whatsoever. They are going nowhere. The east is still the place to be. NO depth here. Our division is easy. We would be a top 3 seed guaranteed due to our division being so weak. I really hope Jason realizes how much more depth their is in the west. Here, there's only 4 teams that are any good.

Our new 7 footer, Nenad Krstic, was on NBATV yesterday. He looked GREAT. Great defense against Yao Ming and he has a VERY nice offensive game. With Kidd, this guy Krstic could be great. I hope Jason watched that game. I wish he wouldn't give up on us so fast. And next year we have a TON of money to spend on free agents. We need Jason here to help attract guys here. Maybe next year we can get Abdur-Rahim through free agency. Him and Jason and RJ would be AWESOME.

Posted by Richard on August 1, 2004 4:58 PM

I saw Krstic also. He was great. MUCH better than Collins, that's for sure. I'm glad Krstic's a Net. He is most definitely ready to help us. Excellent skills on both ends of the floor and he's 7'1"! Ed picked a real winner in drafting this kid. Krstic with Jason could be something special.

I also think Jason will stay here. I know he may not like it at first, but he should check out this Krstic kid. He can flat out play. He should be on TV quite often as the Olympics progress.

Posted by Nets fan on August 1, 2004 8:05 PM

How does Joumana feel about all of this? Is she ticked at Jason? Just wondering.

Posted by Anne on August 2, 2004 1:27 AM

I miss Pink and Cara.

Posted by Anonymous on August 2, 2004 2:49 AM

Haha, yeah me too. Pink used to update us, like, daily with interesting Jason info. Cara did as well. Their stuff was a lot better than all the rumors and things I hear. There was a not so nice rumor about Jason in weeks past that I'm guessing was false. It would be nice to know what the Kidd family has been up to lately.

Posted by Linda on August 3, 2004 2:55 AM

THE NETS HAVE TWO GUYS PLAYING IN THE OLYMPICS. Watch Richard Jefferson, today at 2 on ESPN. Also, our other Olympian, Nenad Krstic, will play against the USA on Friday, I'm pretty sure, on ESPN. Get your Tivo ready, Jason.

And how's Joumana doing? Not a peep out of her, which I think is weird. The Kidds are in NJ right now, right? Are they visiting Cali this summer or no?

Praying Jason stays here. How sweet would it be to see him win the MVP this year as him and Jefferson lead this team to an impressive playoff run? And it will only get better from here. Next year we are way under the cap, which is awesome. Hope Jason's knee is getting better. I can't wait to see him play again.

Posted by N-E-T-S Nets Nets Nets on August 3, 2004 3:05 AM

Anonymous, Don't put down Dallas or The Mavericks, while it is true they have no defense,they are still an Awesome team,I could easily point out alot of negative things about your Nets,but I choose not to ,so please don't put down my team and I won't dog out yours.

P.S. I doubt if Jason will end up back in Dallas

Posted by D.D. on August 3, 2004 3:44 AM

Antoine Walker to Atlanta for Jason Terry. That means Dallas isn't interested in Jason. Great news for Nets fans! Go Nets!!

Posted by Anonymous on August 3, 2004 1:06 PM

What Idiot traded Kenyon Martin

Posted by Anonymous on August 3, 2004 5:30 PM

Ratner, and luckily his Brooklyn plan is starting to fall through. Investors are dropping like flies. Maybe he won't own the team after all.

But Kenyon did demand too much money. He isn't worth the max. If we pay him the max, then we have his massive contract, Jason's massive contract, and Richard's eventual massive contract. It's VERY hard to improve the team in the next couple of years when you owe all that money to just three guys. We have a little breathing room for next year, which is nice. We can really look to improve players 4-12. We need Jason here to attract free agents!!

I love our new guy, Nenad Krstic. Davis is also impressive. I also like Buford (he can actually shoot) and Vaughn is definitely the best backup point guard we've had here in a while. If Mercer could get his head together, he can be pretty good, and if we get Eric Williams, it would be awesome. I love this guy. And Griffin. I hear he looks great and ready to go. I pray he stays sober. If we can get him in here and sign Williams, we can definitely be just as competitive as last year. We will again be fighting for top position in the east. I am excited about these new guys. I am super excited about the season. I'm glad Dallas doesn't want Jason at this point. Better for us Nets fans. Jason will feel very proud of himself this year when him and RJ lead this team deep into the playoffs. This should be extra motivation- proving you are good enough to be the best team in the east after losing two starters. I know they can do it.

And oops, D.D. Didn't know there were Maverick people here. Didn't mean to put down you guys. These trade rumors just frustrate me. I know we made some bad moves, but you didn't have a perfect offseason either. What's with getting Stackhouse for your 6th man? And I do feel sorry for you for being in the deep western conference. Good luck this year and stay away from our franchise player :)

Posted by Anonymous on August 3, 2004 11:21 PM

The Mavericks have had JK already and it didn't quite work out, so I doubt if your franchise player will get anywhere near Texas, beside I think he's right where he should be!

Posted by D.D. on August 4, 2004 1:55 AM

RJ played very nice defense on Dirk today. I was impressed.

Go Nets!! Our two Olympians go against each other Friday, 7pm, ESPN. RJ vs Krstic. Tivo it, Jason!!

Posted by Anonymous on August 4, 2004 6:50 PM

Yeah, Dirk had it going for a while and when they put RJ on him, he quieting down a lot. Good work, RJ. Aside from Duncan, Jefferson is the only one on that team committed to defense. As a Nets fan, I am proud to see him representing the USA. I too am excited to see the two Nets players against each other on Friday.

Any Jason info? Please? :)

Posted by Nets Fan on August 4, 2004 9:10 PM


Posted by Anonymous on August 5, 2004 4:33 PM

Anonymous, what would you do if Jason got traded to another team,it seems you are a little too fascinated
with him almost borderline obsession!

Posted by D.D on August 6, 2004 1:45 AM

Haha, Nets fans just appreciate the guy a heck of a lot. He saved this franchise.

And the people here are kinda obsessed. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. We just like to talk about him and know what's going on with him. It's fun.

Posted by Nets fan on August 6, 2004 2:22 PM

Just found this place and read through it. LOL at all of you who pretend to know Joumana (or at least make up things about her). She's had both a nose job and breast augmentation. Why you people who know her or pretend to know her deny that, I have no idea. It's not like she's a bad person for having some work done.

And hi Cara. I know you.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 7, 2004 10:17 PM

Pink and Cara know what they are talking about.

Posted by Anonymous on August 8, 2004 6:29 PM

Richard Jefferson did great today. He carried the team to victory in the final 3 minutes- 2 free throws, a nice jumper, and beautiful passing to Duncan. His defense and ball handling has been great in every game. RJ is something special. Be proud, Nets fans.

And I want to know what's up with Jason! Ahhhhh. I hate offseasons. Is he off crutches yet?

Posted by Anonymous on August 8, 2004 6:34 PM

Hey there I'm back! I was in Italy for over a month. This board is a hoot. First you all said I was crazy about Jason wanting to be traded. Nets Management that is scary that I knew more than you. Well, looks like he will be but he has to wait till the season starts and he shows that he can play. I'm pretty sure that he will be off his crutches by this weekend.
From what I understand he has been hanging really low with Joumana and the kids. I think they are doing great traveling to Florida (Disney) then to Mexico for like three weeks. As far as the obsession with Joumana's boobs and nose, "Kidds friend" how in the hell would you know something like that? Were you there? Why can't a person just be blessed without envy? If you look at one of her daughters Jazzelle, she has the same exact nose! Did she get hers done too?

Posted by Pink on August 8, 2004 8:39 PM

Pink, did Jason tell you how difficult it would be for him to get traded, even if he wanted to? His contract is large and long. The contenders in the NBA seem unwilling to take on his long term deal or don't want to give up a pretty sizable chunk of their roster just to get Jason. And we certainly wouldn't trade him for scrubs. We are hoping he would warm up to our new guys. He may not think it's much, but it will get better eventually and obviously guys get better just by playing with Jason. Our most recently signed player, Eric Williams, is just dying to play with Jason. He basically chose Jason over Shaq. Guys just love playing with JKidd. Next year, when we have a little more flexibility in terms of money, Jason being here would attract free agents. And Jason must be happy that Richard Jefferson will be here the next seven years. We feel RJ will be an absolute star this year. He showed glimpses last year, but this will really be his chance to shine.

Posted by NETS MNGMNT on August 9, 2004 11:45 AM

tramadol, this isn't an advertisement board.

Pink!! Welcome back! Hope you had a nice trip!

Jason's going to have a hard time going anywhere, at least not anywhere good. And is it really so much better in Dallas anyway? In terms of living, it's most definitely not the New York area, and in terms of basketball? Dallas's division is the hardest in the entire NBA! Jason won't see another division title the rest of his life! At least here in NJ, his division is easy- Toronto, Philly, Boston (who just made themselves really bad the other day) and New York (who will never be good with all those selfish players). We would easily win our division this year (meaning a top 3 seed). In Dallas, even a top 4 seed is not guaranteed. The west is PACKED. So much depth.

Pink, get Jason to read this board. We can convince him to like it here :)

And the fans here definitely appreciate and love him more than the fans do in Dallas :)

Who the heck wants to move midseason? Who the heck wants to take their kids out of school a couple months after they start? I think any parent would try to avoid that.

Now last season, during that 15 game stretch when both Jason and Kenyon sat out, RJ was incredible! I'm guessing Jason's knee won't be ready for opening night. Now what if RJ is carrying the team and winning games and they have a nice record? Will Jason still want to get out of here? Or will he try to join in on the fun? I think as one of the best point guards in the history of the game, Jason will welcome the challenge of trying to make these guys good. After all, that's exactly what he did in 2001 when he got here. He took a bunch of rookies, soft players, frequently injured guys, etc to the Finals. That's what makes Jason so great and that's why I'll always remember him. He made a bunch of no-names championship contenders instantly. Maybe he doesn't realize this.

Thanks for the Kidd family update. Disney on crutches? Wow! That's a lot of walking. Maybe they had a cart or car of some sort to get Jason around the park. I hope they had a good time and I'm glad Jason gets rid of the crutches soon. They are no fun. Did the kids go to Mexico with their parents as well? Pink, do you get to talk and visit with the Kidds a lot or are they always busy? Is Joumana still doing tv stuff? Is she upset about Jason wanting a trade? And are they visiting their family in California this summer or no?

Posted by Nets fan on August 9, 2004 12:06 PM

Not obsessed or jealous over anything. Joumana's awesome and she is definitely blessed in many ways. But you think Joumana had surgery without telling anyone? Geez. Go ask her. I'm sure she'll tell you about it if you truly are her close friend. She's a very open person and I bet she will share. And were you at her wedding? She had a fuller nose. Either way, she is gorgeous and their is nothing wrong with a little plastic surgery if it makes you happier with yourself. And Jazelle's two years old. Obviously, her nose isn't completely developed yet. Every little kid has a little nose. I never heard of a two year old already having a nose resembling an adult's, but maybe I'm wrong. Who are you Pink? Maybe I know you.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 9, 2004 12:29 PM

Thanks for the info, Pink! Keep it coming.

I don't think he's going to be traded though. None of the contenders seem to be in the position to make a trade this year or at least they wouldn't be able to give the Nets anything good in return. That's good news for Nets fans. And I agree with Netsfan about it not being much better in Dallas. Heck, their offseason hasn't exactly gone well so far and their division is hard.

Obviously, Jason's going to be upset with Kenyon and Kerry leaving, but this is a business and you kinda have to move on eventually. Every team looks at the money factor in making decisions. We have a whole bunch of new guys this year and it's kinda a slap in the face to them and the current guys like RJ to be like, "I don't even want to try to play with you. I know you will stink." Heck, this Nets team is still clearly the best team in the division and one of top teams in the east. This is Jason's chance to show how good he really is, by making these guys winners. I know he can do it. He must know he can do it. He knows how good he is. A competitor like him would welcome that challenge. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. If Jason has noticed, he's had problems with all three locations that he's been in so far. This is a business and no team in the NBA is truly committed to just winning, not even Dallas who refused to pay Nash. Eventually, Jason will get over it and realize how good RJ will be this year and maybe he will actually like the new guys we have. Williams is a great defender and Buford can shoot the ball pretty well. I mean, the new guys aren't bad and by playing with Jason, they could be even better. Eventually the problems (power forward) will clear up. I think we could definitely get Shareef Abdur Rahim next year (as long as Jason is here) and he's a much better player offensively than Martin. I just don't think guys should be giving up on their teams. There have been an INSANE amount of trade demands this offseason and it just makes the players look more and more like prima donnas. I say, shut up and play. If you're that good, you would play with what you have and use your talent to make you team a contender.

Posted by Richard on August 9, 2004 6:29 PM

The Nets are trying to capitalize on Jason for younger talent but when you look at the contenders there is no younger talent. Unfortunately what that may end up meaning is that Jason will be stuck in New Jersey and I believe him when he says he just won't play if he remains a Net. It would be stupid for the Nets to keep him when he just re signed last year rather than going to play with Tim Duncan. Why is it that they cannot trade Jason for scrubs when they didn't get anything back for the other two trades? I would be sad if the Kidd family had to move but because I know them and I want what's best for them I would like to see Jason play for a team that is aiming for a championship.

Posted by Anonymous on August 10, 2004 5:43 PM

Oops that was me, Pink I forgot to fill in that part

Posted by PINK on August 10, 2004 5:45 PM

Everybody on here claims they love Jason so much, but the minute he gets traded all that love will just mysteriously disappear ya'll will turn on him, like he's a "$3 wh-re", fill in the letter, anyway back to my point, believe it or not, the people in Dallas actually loved him at one point,and so did fans in Phoenix but we'll look what happened it's just a matter of time if he gets traded before Nets fans will too!

I hope for Nets Fans sake he does not end up in DALLAS, While I really am a Big Jason Kidd Fan, I really don't want him back with The Mavericks, and i'm sure he doesn't want to come back!

To the one who post under NETSFAN, Dallas is a great place to live, thank you!

Posted by D.D. on August 10, 2004 7:13 PM

Pink, you don't understand. THE NETS ARE IN WINNING MODE NOW. Those first two trades (for Martin and Kittles) were made to get under the cap. (Actually, the Martin trade was done out of desperation due to KMart threatening to sign the monster offer sheet with Denver that was front loaded with a signing bonus and impossible to match). Now every team (except the stupid Knicks who are in cap hell forever and still stink) aims to get under the cap eventually. This is a business first, for everyone, even the contenders. But now, the Nets are under the cap and now IT'S TIME TO WIN (notice how we are actually spending money now?). There is no reason for the Nets to do any more drastic trades with their star players (Jason and RJ). The Nets WILL NOT give Jason up for scrubs. WE ARE TRYING TO WIN HERE AND OBVIOUSLY WE NEED JASON HERE.

I can't tell by your posts if you are just speculating or if you have spoken with Jason recently, but I highly doubt Kidd will just sit out. There are many reasons why this works against him. If no other teams are willing to take on his contract, then there is just nothing Jason can do. It's either play for the Nets and use your incredible talent to make the team good or sit out and fake injury, which makes your teammates hate you, the coaches hate you, the media hate you, etc. You lose a lot of respect from other people by doing that and you just end up looking like a whiny baby. Not to mention you are wasting the prime of your career on a bench instead of playing the game you love!

Now if Jason does start the season on the bench (still recovering from his knee injury or not), RJ will be in charge. As Jason knows from last season, RJ can do some great things when he's asked to step up his play when other guys are injured. Now say the Nets have a nice winning record with RJ carrying the team for the first few games. You really think Jason's just going to sit there and pout? Heck no. The guy's too competitive and too good to let his career rot on the bench. He will join in on the fun and make the Nets great. That's what superstars do. RJ is no scrub and we have some nice new players who can help. And it will only get better next offseason as more money is freed up.

And D.D., there's nothing wrong with Nets fans liking the guy who saved our franchise. Obviously, it would feel awful to see him want out without even trying to play with the Nets to see if we could be good. Jason took that challenge in 2001 and I hope he would try it again, especially since he can have a nice 1-2 punch with RJ (RJ was great for Team USA again today, by the way :) And Dallas is great if you haven't experienced the NY area :) But hey, some people just like a quieter city. Whatever floats your boat.

Rod Thorn is most likely staying with the Nets for another three years and is determined to fix whatever problems the team has now. I know Jason is close with Rod and trusts him to put the pieces together that are needed to win a championship. Next year, Mutombo and Mourning come off the books, which will free up some money to go after free agents. I know guys like SAR and Ray Allen will be available. Heck, even this year, Rod's trying to bring in a bunch of new guys who can hopefully work well together and have a good year. Obviously, a championship isn't guaranteed for anyone. You have to get a little lucky. Again, that team in 2001 didn't look too pretty and Jason got them to the Finals. Geez, does Jason really have that little faith in RJ?

And pink, there is some nice young talent (not as good as Jason, obviously) in San Antonio (Parker, Ginobili, Barry etc), but the Spurs aren't going to give up those guys to get Jason. They will not. They already said no. But ou're right. The rest of the contenders don't really have any nice young talent that would interest the Nets.

Posted by Enough Kidd trade talk. It won't happen. on August 10, 2004 10:37 PM

Nope, D.D., not all of us would turn on him if Kidd left. I would root for Kidd anywhere. I love the guy. He's my favorite player. I want to see him win a championship, but I obviously want him to win it with the Nets and I think he would feel more self satisfaction if he won it here as well. Also, I hate admitting that I would root for him elsewhere because I don't want him to think we are okay with him leaving :) But you're right, there are a lot of Nets fans who would hate his guts if he demanded a trade and was actually granted his request because, obviously, we wouldn't be nearly as good without him (I doubt it will happen though. It's almost impossible.)

And whoever wrote the last post, I agree. That's exactly what I've been saying but I think you said it better. Sources say Jason was pleased with the re-signing of RJ and as we show Jason we are willing to spend money to be competitive, sources say Jason's relations with the team are improving. Jason loves Rod and he wouldn't just demand to get out of here without seeing what Rod would do next (and Rod has done good things recently). I also like the new guys. Mercer could be better than Kittles if he puts his mind to it.

Pink, you didn't answer my questions above. Maybe you skipped them by accident?

Posted by Nets fan on August 10, 2004 11:03 PM

Thanks, Pink, for the info. I really appreciate you coming here and telling us about the Kidds. It's very nice of you.

Posted by Heather on August 11, 2004 12:35 AM

You all are talking about all this cap room and you sign three likes of Jaques Vaughn, Eric Williams, Ron Mercer and Rodney Beuford. How can you say the 2001 team didn't have more talent than this team is gonna have? These guys we have now are back ups to the back up. As far as RJ being a star he needs a setup man to help him win games. He cannot win games by himself. I think if Jason were to sit out anyone who understands the game and understands Jason's situation would empathize with it. What fun would he be watching that would force him to get up and play?

I have been talking with them a lot more lately. Yes, Joumana is still doing a lot of work with NBA TV and she also signed a big deal with some network.

Posted by Pink on August 11, 2004 4:42 PM

Pink, Jacque Vaughn is the best backup point guard we have signed since Jason's been here. We got him to help Jason, to try to give him a more reliable backup to give him more rest. And you're RJ comment- it's obvious you didn't watch him at the end of last season when he took over when Jason and Kenyon were out with injuries. He was great- creating his own shot, excellent ball handling and passing, 3 point range. Jason saw how much RJ stepped up his game late last season. And RJ keeps getting better and better. And he just turned 24! Everyone has very high hopes for him this year, including the Nets.

I know it's hard for Jason to see Kenyon go, but you eventually have to get over it. Every team goes through a time where they have to make unfortunate business decisions that hurt their team. Dallas, the Lakers, and Sacramento all did that this offseason. All three of those teams are worse than last year. How much worse is yet to be seen. They have to go play the games. You think those teams wanted to get worse? No, but this is ultimately a business and things happen.

Anyway, Jason is good enough to win without Kenyon. Jason can feel sorry for himself all he wants. Superstars are supposed to go out there and play and try to get their teams to win. There's no guarantee it's going to be better somewhere else. Again, every team has their problems. We probably can't trade Jason anyway. So would you rather play or waste your career on the bench? Would you rather be the star of your team, be the savior who everyone loves, win countless NBA awards, make yet another all star appearance, help your team be one of the best in the east, etc or would you rather sit on the bench and whine because you can't get traded? What is that accomplishing? I thought Jason would like a challenge like this. Gosh, do you know how amazing he would look if he took this team to the Finals without Kenyon? MVP most definitely.

Anyway, I gotta defend the new guys. Eric Williams is a great lockerroom guy who plays great defense and can shoot the ball. Ron Mercer, if his head is on right, would be better offensively than Kittles. (Gosh, how friggin frustrating has Kittles been on the offensive end the past 3 years??) And Buford can definitely put the ball in the basket. Sure, they aren't superstars, but that's not what the Nets are all about. They are about playing team ball where everyone is asked to contribute a little something. And I believe we are getting 1 more big man to complete the roster this year. The roster really isn't that bad. You have to play the games before you decide how good the team is. You never know what can happen. I think this team can be pretty good. I have faith in Rod and Ed over the next few years. They'll do whatever they can to make sure this team is good.

Okay, that 2001 team when Jason got here- 4 rookies, a guy who had broken his leg twice in recent years, a guy coming off 4 knee surgeries, an unathletic center, an underachiever. Jason got that mess to the Finals. That team ended up being much better than anyone (including probably Jason) expected. I know Jason can do it again and RJ will be there to carry more of the load this time. Geez, I just don't understand the quitter attitude.

Posted by Enough Kidd trade talk. on August 12, 2004 10:57 PM

Thanks, Pink, for the answers to some of my questions. Glad to see Joumana still going strong with the TV work (I have seen her often on NBATV and I think she does a great job), but how can she continue to do it when Jason wants to leave the area? Does he not give a damn about her career? It would be a shame if she did sign a contract with a network and then is forced to move. I would love to know how she feels about all of this. Is she angry? Why doesn't she talk anymore to the media? Did Jason tell her not to?

And I think our starting five will obviously be weaker (at least for this year), but our bench should be very deep. I've liked Eric Williams for years (infinitely better than Rogers!!) and Mercer can definitely put up some nice numbers. Buford can definitely shoot, as he showed in Sacramento last year, and I agree with the last poster that Vaughn is the best backup Jason has seen in NJ. I definitely don't think this team is a lost cause and yes, RJ can definitely win some ball games if Jason needs extra time to heal his knee. RJ became our number 1 scoring option last year and this year, will be even better. And don't forget about Krstic! This guy is already better than Collins! I would start him! Watch him in the Olympics. He definitely is the anti-Collins and he has a Tim Duncan-like build! I wouldn't give up on this team either, at least not before playing some games and seeing what can happen. I agree that that 2001 team was a train wreck! A bunch of injured guys who had no clue how to win and a bunch of rookies! Jason fixed them and he can do it again. I would hope that what is being said publicly is true- that Jason is feeling better about things here each and every day. Hopefully, he will like trying to prove that he can win without KMart. All Nets fans believe in him.

A crazy Nets fan wrote this on another board and Jason should read this if he's still down in the dumps about this!

"I'm optimistic that Mercer can be a reasonable facsimile of Kittles, at least offensively, and that Eric Williams can replace Rodney Rogers adequately. I'm hopeful that Kidd will be back to his old self after the surgery, and that RJ, and Zoran will improve. Also I think there's a good chance that Krstic can be productive off the bench. So, with the exception of that KMart fellow, I could argue that the rest of the team is incrementally better than last year. But KMart of course leaves a big hole. If we can sign even an average pf, then I think we'll be OK . . . I know this has been debated for weeks now, but I really think that KMart can be replaced, at least offensively. The unsung loss, of course, is the familiarity among the players. The core of the team had been together for so long, they really seemed to read each other's minds at times while running the motion offense and on the break. It may take a few months for this group to get comfortable with each other. At any rate, if they can sign some reasonable pf, I am beginning to think that this team can still win somewhere between 47-52 games. I am squarely in the give-griffin-a-chance camp, but probably any forward with some amount of offensive potential will benefit greatly from playing with Kidd and will surprise with his offensive production."

Go Nets!

Posted by Nets fan on August 12, 2004 11:24 PM

I, too, am very optimistic. Guys, we finally have shooting and bench help! KMart's 16 points per game can most definitely be replaced. His defense is another story, but we actually have SHOOTING now! I still believe in these guys. How could you not believe in a team led by Kidd and rising star, RJ. We will be the biggest surprise in the NBA this season. Everyone will count us out and JKidd and RJ and company will prove everyone wrong! KMart is replaceable and we will replace him! (PS, there are not enough balls to go around in Denver and KMart will never see an All Star team again! Have fun, K! You'll regret not taking our 66 million!) Rod said he will fix it and HE WILL FIX IT, DAMNIT!

Posted by Richard on August 12, 2004 11:43 PM

First, Vaughn is hardly the best back-up that Kidd has had with the Nets. Anthony Johnson (before Rod lost him twice) was the best back-up. Plus Vaughn couldn't make a basket if there were ten hoops on the court. Who is going to be the starting PF? Erin Williams, Eric Williams, Scalabrine or Collins? As far as RJ goes ..... he is not going to win games alone while Jason is out. The question is how many games did he win when Jason and Kenyan were out? The thought of RJ out there without a defender such as Kmart is scary. The RJ you fell in love with the end of last season had a PF that would take the attention of the opponent so that RJ could do his thing. With this void now there is going to be a lot more attention on RJ. Why don't you give Kidd a break? He came here and took the Nets from the worst team in the league to becoming the ECC. That group was raw talent, this group is flat out dysfunctional. Winning is this mans passion. What if you were at work creating a masterpiece and someone walked in there and put all your valuable documents through the shredder. Then turned around and said can you create that master piece again for us? Basketball years are like dog years. I don't think Kidd has a year to wait around for the guys to gel. Plus who's to say they won't put it in the shredder again. If I were Kidd I would rather loose some place else rather than loose here. After all this is the team he chose over the Spurs last year. I don't think this is a quitter attitude. I don't know if I would count on Rod to fix anything at this point. This is the same guy who brought in Chris Childs and Mutombo. Then he gives away Anthony Johnson, not once but twice! Now he looses K-mart?

As far as Joumana goes. I think she really empathizes with her husband. The little time that I have spent around her she seems like a pretty positive person who would make things work wherever she had to go. I don't really know why she doesn't talk with the media anymore. My guess would be that no matter what you say they are always going to portray you the way they choose. Power of the pen.

Posted by PINK on August 13, 2004 9:00 PM

Wow, Pink. Didn't think you followed basketball that much. Okay, Anthony Johnson was probably better, but at least Vaughn likes to get up and down the court. He plays the style of basketball that the Nets are used to. This team isn't as good when we have a point guard walking the ball up the floor like Johnson did. And the starting PF... Word is we are looking to sign another big man to fill up the roster. I wish we could get Griffin this year (love that kid), but I think a Keon Clark would do. The majority of Nets fans seem to think that an average power forward would be just fine on this team. Jason made Kenyon better and I think he could make any PF with a decent amount of talent better. Eric Williams off the bench is an upgrade over Rogers, that's for sure. And if he has to start some games? That's fine. He knows how to guard PFs.

And about RJ needing KMart. Please. Did you watch the games when he was alone out there without Jason and KMart? He was GREAT and Jason was very proud of him. And once those guys got comfortable, they went on a little winning streak. And Harris was great. I hope we keep him. He's comfortable with the system and he's excellent as a starter. Over a two week period at the end of last season when he started, he averaged over 20 points a game, over 5 assists, and 5 boards. Hope we keep this guy. I don't worry about the team gelling. The majority of the starting 5 is still the same and I think Jason could gel with just about anyone. And our bench is stronger now. I like to look at the positive. Guys like RJ, Zoran, Scal, and hopefully Collins will get better and combined with the new guys, many people think we have a good shot of being a top team in the east again. I always think of those crappy Phoenix teams out west that Jason led to 50+ victories every season. The guy's amazing.

How can you call a team dysfunctional when they haven't even gone through training camp yet? That's quite negative and I don't recall Jason ever being that negative and giving up on a group of guys so fast.
I also don't think he's that old. 31? That's not old (I could see him playing until he's 40) and who said it would take a year for these guys to gel? I think training camp could be more than enough time for the new guys to get used to each other. The 2001 team gelled very quickly. 2001 team was raw talent? I'd like to think RJ, Krstic, and even Mercer are examples of raw talent as well. It's not hopeless here.

And I love Rod. I don't blame him for the Mutombo trade. It seemed like a great idea when it happened and I know Jason was happy about it. KVH needed to go and T-Mac ended up with a career threatening disease. And Chris Childs? Another move that looked good when it happened. Rod knows what he's doing.

If there was no such thing as a salary cap, I would say sure, sign KMart for anything, but come on now. The guy cared more about money than staying here. A front loaded contract with a huge signing bonus ($30 million or so dollars due at the end of JULY!) is ridiculous. I wouldn't have ever spent all of that on KMart. No GM would. Sad to lose him, of course, but you gotta move on. You talk like he's a top 5 player in the NBA that can never be replaced! I do feel bad for Jason, I do, but it's not like he has nothing here. We didn't give away his entire roster. There are still pieces here to work with. I could be much, much worse, but Rod chose to try to get things going in the right direction again, and he has.

I understand Jason wants to win, but all teams have their problems. Where, realistically, could he go and have an excellent chance to win? Dallas? They won't get past San Antonio. Does Jason like Dallas's offseason moves? Trading their 6th man for Stackhouse who hasn't played in how long? Getting rid of Nash for Terry? Did Jason think that was a good move? Doesn't Jason see that every team has to make decisions based on money? Nash was Cuban's buddy and the 2nd best player on that team and Cuban wouldn't pay him a long term deal that wasn't even at the max! I don't know, to me, team hopping just looks like you are running from your problems, unwilling to use your ability to take on challenges, and assuming it is better somewhere else. There are no guarantees.

Sorry if I sound overly bitter. I am frustrated by trade talks. The last thing I want to see is Jason leaving us when he's more than capable of helping to carry (with RJ) this team to the Finals once again. Jason will feel incredible if he can get a team without KMart back to the Finals.

And Pink, you confused me with your last post. Were you trying to say that you are more friendly with Jason than with Joumana? I always thought it was the other way around. Ok, just wondering. Oh yeah, and I was wondering if the content of your previous post was just your opinion or if you had spoken with the Kidds and had gotten their opinion on it. And one last thing, do you know if Joumana is still doing CNN things? I think you mentioned CNN before and I was just wondering.

Posted by Enough with the trade talk. on August 14, 2004 1:24 AM

Rod is a WINNER just like Jason, which is probably why Jason loves and respects this guy. While we're blaming Rod for personnel moves that looked like great moves that would improve our team when they occurred, we should blame Jason for his personnel requests as well. He MADE us sign Mourning and we know how that worked out. He wanted Rogers in here and he was borderline awful. There's just no guarantee that things will work out. But there's no reason to point the finger and place blame on people who are just trying to win. One thing that is great about both Rod and Jason is that they will always be competitive guys who are passionate for the sport. This passion is trickling down the other guys. I already see it in RJ.

The moral is, stop blaming people and go out there and play ball. Stop worrying about business decisions and go out there and play. Kidd and RJ are more than capable of leading a decent group of guys back to the Finals. Time to stop the nonsense and play. We could easily have a top seed in the east again, but instead we have a few people moaning and saying that it's hopeless. Whatever. We will have two all stars next year and in my opinion, two guys who will be named to an all league team. (RJ is the best overall SF in the game right now, IMO). We should be incredibly proud of that- 2 guys who are the best at their positions on one team. I can't wait for this season. Time to prove the naysayers wrong. Can't wait to see Kidd healthy and glad to see him finally off the crutches. I felt awful for him as he played through pain all last season and he deserves more than anything to get through a season without injury.

Posted by NETS FAN on August 14, 2004 1:54 AM

Chris Childs looked good at the time? Yea if your taping a weight watchers commercial. Yes, I do know about basketball. When you are in the TV business you tend to learn a lot about different things. My fault if I confused you. What I was trying to say is that I have only seen Joumana a handful of times in the past six or seven months. She is a very positive person so that is what she portrays about this topic. Maybe if I was spending time around her I would see a different opinion. I have become friends with the both of them. I would consider Joumana to be a friend first. My last post was just my opinion from talking with them periodically and having mutual friends. This post is after hanging up the phone with them.

Jason pretty much feels like this is a joke. He is exploring different options. He said that he has not lightened up about this topic and feels the same way he did the day he had the meeting and asked for a trade. Honestly, I think Joumana is on the same page as him as well. She talked about just wanting him to win and that she had to trust his gut feeling about where that was going to happen. They are trying to sell their house out here. Their relator is on it without actually putting it on the market to save a media commotion.

Posted by Pink on August 14, 2004 7:50 PM

Aight! I've been reading this board for some laughs but I think I gotta help Pink out. She actually knows what she is talking about. Ja is trying to sell his house on the under. He wants out of here so bad. From reading your stuff, everybody is talking about Ja making everybody better. Who's gonna raise Jasons level on this team? Ya'll gotta get over your Jason Kidd fetish cuz my boy is about to bounce. The storm aint hit yet but it will soon. See, that's what Ja does. He will sit back and chill without going public about this to help thr Nets out so they can get their scrubs together. Count on it, once he is cleared by the dr. (any day now) you will start to hear about him talking to different teams. Minnesota, Houston, Sacramento, LA just to name a few. He's got a good support group. It seems like yesterday we were talking about staying in New Jersey and how we all wanted to see him do that. Believe me when I say his support group feels his pain and wants to see him bounce

Posted by JA'sDAWG on August 14, 2004 8:09 PM

Whatever. That's BS. Jason currently has no options and don't try to make it sound like he does. Minnesota already said no, Houston can't afford him, Sacramento has a point guard and isn't willing to give up multiple players to afford Jason's contract, and LA? HA! They have absolutely no one to trade for Jason, unless they want to give up Odom and Butler, which they can't and won't. The only hope was if the Nets were stupid enough to take washed up Payton and Rick Fox, but what do you know- those guys were traded to Boston instead and even if they were still in LA, the Nets didn't want that crap. Jason is stuck in NJ and he knows it. Geez, you talk like it's jail here. He's a half hour away from the greatest city in the world and is playing on a team that is a virtual lock for yet another division title, a top seed in the east, and is one of the only teams in the NBA with, most likely, two all stars next year. We have the best point guard and the best overall small forward here in NJ. It's truly not that bad here. Jason is not ignorant and wouldn't think all the new guys stink. I think Jason is an intelligent person, so I doubt he thinks it's as bad here as you make it sound like. Anyway, it's at the point where he can either complain and feel sorry for himself or go out there and play the game he loves, continuing his outstanding career.

There is no way he's selling his house because it would leave him homeless (unless, of course, he's looking for a bigger one in NJ, which I had heard rumblings about earlier in the year.) By the way, your boy can't "bounce" because he is under contract here for the next five years, in case you didn't know. He can't go anywhere unless the Nets want to trade him, which they don't and probably can't since the contenders have nothing to offer.

And yes, Chris Childs played well the season before we signed him. He showed up to camp overweight. That's not Rod's fault. Again, like I mentioned before- Kidd and Rod both had a part in personnel decisions that didn't work out and there is no reason to put blame on people who are just trying to win.

Um, yeah, basketball fans around the world know how Jason makes his teammates better. It's a quality that helps to make him the best point guard in the world. There are less than a handful of players that can make their teammates better and Jason is most definitely one of them. Kenyon Martin became an All Star last season because of Jason Kidd. Plenty of people don't think KMart will ever sniff an all star team ever again. The point is, Nets fans are confident that Jason presence alone will help the new guys get better. And Jason and RJ are a wonderful combo.

I don't know if you really spoke with Jason or not, but what you're saying doesn't sound like him. Sources say Jason was pleased with the signing of RJ to a long term deal (it shows some stability and a willingness to win). The team is headed back in the right direction.

And by the way, Jason just got off crutches and that isn't enough for other teams to immediately have interest again. They have to see him play high level basketball, not just walk without crutches. And again, we get back to the fact that teams would love to have a guy like Jason on their team, but they simply don't have money or players to give the Nets in exchange. They just don't. If Jason doesn't realize this now (and I bet he does because he is a smart person), he will see it soon enough. By the way, I can tell you know little about injuries, surgeries, and rehab. There is a pretty decent size rehab period that comes once you're off crutches after microfracture surgery. You don't just jump right back into high level basketball. They have said 3-4 months recovery time, minimum, which would take him out to around October or November.

Again, if we can manage a nice 7-3 record to start the season and Jason immediately feels better about everything here :)

Oh yeah, we have this thing called tampering in the NBA. Jason can't just go and talk to teams. Geez, you talk like he's a free agent! Oh yeah, Jason didn't even demand a trade at that meeting. If he hated it so badly here and didn't trust Rod to fix this, he would have demanded out. He didn't. It would have leaked out to a source and we know how the Post likes to have dramatic stories and even tell lies, but nope, there was nothing. Jason agreed to a wait-and-see period. Don't try to twist what really happened just because you want him to leave or prove your point here. And it's upsetting when people write positive posts while all you write about is negativity and doom. Weren't you the one who told us a while back to speak positively? You ignore every positive thing we say and just focus on the negative. The situation is really not that bad. You think we have problems? How about the Lakers who just got even more screwed over by Payton? Their situation looks very, very awful and they have little hope of fixing it since they are over the cap.

Oh well, I can't change your negativity. On another note, thanks for clearing up the question I had and thanks again for posting. It's always nice to hear from people close to the Kidds.

Posted by Nets fan on August 15, 2004 1:05 AM

Thanks, Pink, for your posts. I don't know what to think, but ESPN did say Jason spoke with SA,Dallas, the Lakers last month and Minnesota said Jason expressed interest in them as well. I don't know how Jason and the teams get away with that without getting fined for tampering, but I guess it doesn't really matter. What matters is that he is going to have a LOT of trouble going anywhere good (it's really hard to trade him), so he will probably end up staying here. I am very excited for next season because like many Nets fans, I really think this team can do well even without KMart. In the weak east, anything can happen and a chance to prove this team can win without Martin is a great motivational challenge for our two star players.

And I don't see why Jason would be selling his house now. Nothing has happened and nothing can happen in the near future, if at all. The other teams simply can't afford that large and long contract. Teams would have to destroy everything they've done in their offseasons just to get Jason. You aren't going to see teams willing to do that, as many teams have already indicated. I also heard Jason may want a bigger house in NJ, but selling his house now when he probably won't get traded? It makes no sense, really. And yeah, Jason did say at that meeting he would cool off, wait and see, and wait for Rod's next moves, which were good ones. We will sign an additional big man sometime soon and the roster will be set for now. I think we can do well. You don't have to give up just because KMart is gone. I would hope Jason believes in his ability and RJ's ability more than that.

Hey, watch our two Olympians tomorrow! RJ and Krstic! Krstic is really athletic for a 7 footer and runs the floor very well. And he plays pretty good defense and is a good shot blocker. He's perfect for this team!

And oh yeah, I could see Joumana trying to calm Jason down about this because if in fact she signed a deal with a network recently, I would bet that she would want to keep working here because starting over again in a new city is never fun and is a lot of work, not to mention that the place wouldn't be NY. Oh well, I don't think he's getting traded anyway.

And how about the Shawn Marion to Nets suggestion from ESPN? :) Marion, RJ, and Kidd. Awesome.

Posted by Heather on August 15, 2004 2:27 AM

Ha ha ha.. he is selling his house people.. but only because he bought a huge house in Upper Montclair,NJ that is 3 times the size of his house now. Don't sweat it he ain't going no where!

Posted by D.M. on August 15, 2004 2:46 AM

Thanks for the message, DM! That's great to hear and I hope Jason likes the Upper Montclair area. It's a beautiful town.

Posted by Nets fan on August 15, 2004 3:18 PM

That's great! Upper Montclair is much closer to CAA and much closer to NYC. Should be a much easier commute for Jason. I wish them the best of luck with their new home! It's a great area to raise a family.

Posted by Richard on August 15, 2004 3:22 PM

Rod asked him to give him a little time before he goes public. Hey, I wish this was a perfect world too, and that everything would stay the same. I will miss the Kidds when the leave. I am absolutely in love with all three of their children. Unfortunately what is really going on behind the scenes is not good news. All I am saying is that there comes a point where you have to really look at things through his eyes. Montclair? Wrong guy!

Oh, I did catch some of the USA game today. First US Olympic loss ever for NBA players 92-73. I guess RJ throwing up a few air balls didn't help 3 for 15.

Posted by PINK on August 15, 2004 3:52 PM

Thanks, DM. Finally a message that's good news. And wow, there sure are a lot of people here who know the Kidds. Many someone here is Joumana or Jason.

Posted by Stop with the trade talk. on August 15, 2004 4:14 PM

Yup RJ wasn't good. Nobody was. Even Duncan was awful. Nobody could make a shot within two feet.

Posted by Stop with the trade talk. on August 15, 2004 4:16 PM

Ok, Pink. What do you mean by wrong guy?

Pink, if Kidd demanded a trade, a source close to management would have gotten a hold of it and leaked it to papers. It just didn't happen. He agreed to a wait and see period.

Again, Kidds options as far as switching teams are SEVERELY limited, if they even exist. All indications so far are that no contenders are willing to take Kidd's contract while giving the Nets what they are looking for. So he's stuck here. And sources are even saying now he feels a little better about things here as time goes on. I don't know why you keep insisting he is gone, because unless he wants to go play in the CBA or something, he has no options right now.

And stop picking on RJ. That whole team looked awful today. Bad games happen.

Posted by Richard on August 15, 2004 4:22 PM

Jason's not stupid. If teams can't take on his contract, they can't take on his contract. Simple as that. He will learn to like it here if he doesn't already. Jason's good enough to help get this team back to the Finals. This is the east after all.

Posted by Stop with the trade talk. on August 15, 2004 4:25 PM

D.M., you the same guy who used to post here pretty frequently? You still close with Jason? If you are the D.M. I think you are, then I'm gonna have to believe you about this Montclair thing. Thanks for posting it.

And I can sense that Pink doesn't want the Kidds to leave, but that she would like to prove all the positive people here wrong. Honestly, if there were serious discussions going on with other teams, we would have heard about them, if not from Nets sources, then sources from the other teams. No one will take on Jason's contract at this time. It's virtually impossible to trade a guy who is just over a month removed from knee surgery with a long contract that is very expensive. I'm sure what the inside sources are saying is true- that Rod told Jason to just sit tight and to wait and see if Rod can fix this, and he really is trying. There is nothing Jason can do now but to relax and think positively. The nonsense about blaming this on Rod is laughable. If Jason didn't make us sign Mourning, we wouldn't have had to trade Kittles. I don't blame Jason for this, however, since I do realize a healthy Mourning could have helped us. But it was an unnecessary risk to take- I think this team would have won the title if Kidd was simply healthy. There are plenty of positives in this situation, which have already been mentioned (lock for division title and top three seed, most likely 2 all stars next year, a little more flexibility next season, not having to pay 3 guys max contracts that prevent you from making improvements elsewhere, a much better bench, etc, etc). Jason always seems to look at things positively and he isn't a guy who wants or needs to feel sorry for himself. I think everything will eventually work out here. And if this arena in Brooklyn does get built by 2008 or 09 when Jason is still here, a new house in Montclair will definitely cut down his commute a lot. A player of Jason's stature deserves to play in the media capital of the world in a brand new arena.

And thanks to the person who brought up Richard being the best overall player at his position. I never thought of him that way, but now that I think about it, I agree! The best point guard and the best small forward on one team! Go Nets. Also, I hope Jason's rehab is going well.

Posted by the real anonymous on August 15, 2004 5:04 PM

Jason didn't go to Disney, at least I didn't know about it. (And why would you go to an amusement park with rides when you are on crutches and can't walk?) It was Mexico. And Pink, I don't know who you are (maybe I'll ask Jason sometime), but I was reading posts from a while back, and you said you were a friend of Joumana's friend. But now you speak on the phone with them? Something doesn't add up. I think you know too much to just be a friend of a friend, so why hide the fact that you are close to the Kidds? It's not something to be ashamed of or to lie about. They are awesome people and if you are friends with them, maybe I know you.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 16, 2004 5:54 PM

Hey Kidd Friend you are 100 % correct.. They went to Mexico on Vacation and came back 1st week of August to all the new surprises! I don't know who Pink is either but maybe I know both of you!

Posted by DM on August 16, 2004 6:21 PM

Oh and Pink if you know JKidd and Jo so well where were they on Saturday?

Posted by DM on August 16, 2004 6:30 PM

They came back one of the last days of July, but close enough.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 16, 2004 6:59 PM

Now let me clarify a thing or two.. Yes Jason is pissed that Kmart got traded and that Kiddles is gone.. Hell yeh he's upset about the whole moving to Brooklyn thing and the new directions that the Nets are going isn't quite what he expected. He hasn't demanded a trade yet because he was told there will be more changes to come but they will all be good from here on in. So he's waiting it out! You have to understand that when you play with guys day in and day out, travel all over with the same guys and hang with the same guys you build a bond. It's not just team mates anymore you become a part of their family and they become a part of yours. It's not just about the fact that they traded and let some guys go it's about having the people who were closest to you not being there anymore. And so again starting from stratch all over to rebuild that trust and that bond and being able to play with one another without having to make an effort. When you are together with a bunch of guys you learn one anothers moves and thoughts and that only comes with time. You can't just put in a new set of guys and expect to have the same result as before.. All I'm saying is yes Kidd's mad but he's not ready to just up and leave. Not just yet anyways!

Posted by DM on August 16, 2004 7:02 PM

Damn Kidd friend you aint gonna let me slide are you? Okay if you want to get technical he came back on Thursday, July 29th at 7PM at night on Flight number 1931 it was a boeing 757 and that's all the information I'm going to give you. Any one care to prove me wrong? Pink?

Posted by DM on August 16, 2004 7:24 PM

Thanks, DM. What you're saying kinda matches up with what most people have been saying. But wait, is Jason moving to Montclair like you said because Pink said it wasn't true.

Posted by Nets fan on August 16, 2004 7:29 PM

Now how do you know their flight information? I'm starting to think you are JKidd. If you are, that's awesome.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 16, 2004 7:33 PM

JKidd, if that's you, I'm gonna call you one of these days.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 16, 2004 7:38 PM

Weird how we ran into eachother on this message board. It's probably not even you, just playin.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 16, 2004 7:39 PM

So wait, Pink lied about Jason going to Disney? What? Why would someone make that up?

Posted by Richard on August 16, 2004 7:53 PM

I don't think Dm is Donny. I know him and it doesn't sound like his style. Maybe it is Kidd.

Posted by Anonymous on August 16, 2004 8:23 PM

Now who are you, anonymous? Pink? You gonna tell us where the Kidds were on Saturday?

Posted by Anonymous on August 16, 2004 8:56 PM

This is hilarious. DM, you need to slow down. 747! They don't even fly commercial, they charter. They went to Disney before his surgery in the beginning of the summer. Mexico was after the surgery. Listen, I was down playing my friendship at first because I didn't want to be asked very personal things that I didn't feel comfortable answering. I have told both Jason and Joumana about this board. I don't think they ever pulled it up but they know that I have been posting. So, if you really know either one of them, or even if you know their assistant, give them a call and ask them who pink is. That way we can figure out if we all know each other. If you really know them this should be an easy thing to do. Honestly, it gets annoying reading posts like the ones that DM leaves

Posted by PINK on August 17, 2004 12:21 PM

Yes, I do know what they did Saturday. Since a few of you know them so well you tell me what they did. It should be simple for you, make a quick phone call. DM, I don't even think you should attempt to lie about this one

Posted by Pink on August 17, 2004 12:31 PM

I thought that flight info was fishy. Can't remember them ever flying commercial. They really have no reason to. And even if they did, why would anyone besides them know it? What a joke DM is. I haven't heard about the Montclair house thing either. But, DM did know what they did on Saturday. So maybe DM really does know them. So DM, YOU tell us what they did on Saturday to prove you are not a phony. And Pink, I now know who you are, not personally, but I have heard of you.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 17, 2004 6:04 PM

And DM if you do know them and are STILL making up stuff here (flight info, ha), that's pretty pathetic.

Posted by Kidd friend on August 17, 2004 6:06 PM

Hey I was reading something on the web today that sounded almost the same as what DM was saying. Can DM be one of the Net's player now? Here's what I read. here's the link too in case anyone wants to look at it. And if DM is one of the players how cool would that be?

Frank focused on next year, not offseason losses


Associated Press

Lawrence Frank is not going to let the New Jersey Nets be a victim of the offseason moves that forced the budget-conscious NBA team to trade All-Star forward Kenyon Martin and shooting guard Kerry Kittles.

Speaking for the first time since the trades last month, the young coach said Tuesday that the three-time defending Atlantic Division champions will try to move forward next season and not look back.

Martin was traded to Denver after the Nets realized they would have to pay him $23 million before this season if the restricted free agent signed an offer sheet being proposed by the Nuggets.

Rather than pay Kittles $10 million, he was dealt to the Los Angeles Clippers for a second-round draft choice.

New Jersey also lost backup forward Rodney Rogers in the offseason, when he decided not to exercise an option in his contract, making him a free agent.

"Change is part of life," Frank said after recognizing the contribution of Martin, Kittles and Rogers. "The worst thing we can do as coaches and players is think what could have been. We're not playing the victim, life moves on."

Addressing a number of other issues, Frank said All-Star point guard Jason Kidd is "working his tail off" rehabilitating his surgically repaired left knee.

Frank, who replaced Byron Scott as coach on an interim basis in middle of last season, declined to discuss the contract he got after the interim tag was removed.

He also said it would be hard to predict an opening-night starting lineup.

Kidd, small forward Richard Jefferson and center Jason Collins are the only starters returning from last season.

The Nets have signed guards Ron Mercer, Rodney Buford and Jacque Vaughn and forward Eric Williams, forward-center Nenad Krstic, and center Kyle Davis in the offseason.

Frank said it was hard seeing Martin leave. They joined the Nets at almost the same time.

"I have a deep affinity for him, it hurts you personally," Frank said. "Our guys have a brotherhood. It hurts when you lose a member of family. Not to be overly dramatic, (it's) not loss of life, but it hurts not having a guy we relied on so much; (it) takes time to get over it."

Frank called Kittles one of the most underrated players in the league, a guy who played every game, sacrificed for his teammates and took too much criticism.

On the positive side, Frank was looking forward to have Kidd run the team again.

"Jason Kidd is a rare player, a guy who comes across once every 30 years, not just his skills, but his leadership ability. He has a great way about him. He's the pied piper

Posted by a Kidd Fan on August 17, 2004 7:01 PM

I don't think I would listen to DM, Pink. It's probably that stupid loser Karina who used to post here and lied constantly about knowing the Kidds and everything about them. She got caught lying and disappeared out of embarrassment, but I'm thinking she resurfaced as DM. A poster named DM used to post here, and I could have sworn he was Donny Marshall for certain reasons, but this latest DM? I doubt it's Donny or someone who knows the Kidds, but you brought up a good point, Kidd friend. DM seems to know that the Kidds did something on Sat. I would love to see if DM can answer that question. But if not (Karina, if you're DM, grrrr), would you be so kind Pink to tell us where they went? You're teasing us here :) You left me, and I bet a few others, curious, and as usual, any updates/info you give us is greatly appreciated. And are they really moving to Montclair or is this a big lie? And they have an assistant? What does an assistant do? lol, sorry, if I sound stupid.

Posted by Net fan on August 17, 2004 7:21 PM

I doubt DM is on the Nets,a Kidd fan. How about we just post links to articles and not the actual articles on here? By the way, that article says nothing about Kidd's feelings.

Posted by Net fan on August 17, 2004 7:34 PM

No I don't think DM is really Donny Marshall either and I don't think Korina would have the nerve to post again in here. Not after all the lies we caught her in. I know one thing is for sure DM can't be Donny because I know where Donny was on Saturday and he wasn't with Kidd. There was a big fund raiser up in CT with the Huskys which was were Donny played during college. That's why Donny Marshall had been instrumental in helping organizers recruit talent for the Jim Calhoun Charity All-Star Game Aug. 14 at Mohegan Sun Arena. I was there and there was no sign of Kidd there so DM can't be Donny.

Posted by Anonymous on August 17, 2004 8:03 PM

I agree that DM is not Donny this time. He was at the Jim Calhoun game Sat. However, Net Fan may be right. The postings a while back may have come from the real Donny. Either that or it is someone who knew him very well. There was too much acurate information about his his wife, etc that makes me think that some orignal info about the Kidds was actually from him.

Posted by Anonymous on August 17, 2004 8:12 PM

Um, DM never said he was with Jason on Sat, but whatever. Who are you anonymous? What's with the no name? And who cares where Donny was. And no need to post 3 times. Why am I being slightly rude? Because I have a feeling you are Karina and I can't stand you after you ruined this place. So just go away and let people who actually know things (like Pink) and people who aren't liars speak.

Notice how DM disappeared after Pink said he was wrong? hahaha. What a joke. A 747! Ha!

Posted by Net fan on August 18, 2004 12:41 AM

Oh yeah, Karina- don't you dare attempt to ruin this board again with your lies and multiple identities. This board finally has a credible source (Pink, much thanks) and you better not ruin it for us. Hi Pink, I asked you a couple questions above. Just wanted to tell you because you may not have noticed them with all the anonymous postings.

Posted by Net fan on August 18, 2004 12:45 AM

Sorry that was me who posted the first annonymous. I didn't realize it didn't put my name there. Silly me!

Posted by Lisa on August 18, 2004 5:51 PM

I think Joumana's boobs are real. And I think that person is lying about the Kidds buying a house in Upper Montclair. And for the knowledgable posters- is it okay if you told us what the Kidds did on Saturday? Pink and whoever else made me curious about this and I agree with the person who posted that it was almost teasing us deprived posters who aren't inside sources and don't have any inside sources either :)

Posted by Jeanette on August 19, 2004 2:25 AM

Great job today, RJ. His three pointers really kept us in that game. He was definitely the best player out there for Team USA today. I think the thing with RJ is that he needs a few games to get warmed up and to become his usual self. Once he does that, the sky's the limit for this kid. I expect great things from him this year. I hope Jason was watching that game. Yeah the loss stinks, but individually, RJ was great.

Posted by Nets fan on August 21, 2004 6:28 PM

Did the Kidds go somewhere really secret or something last Saturday because nobody is telling us what they went. Come on, I know a least one person here knows. :)

Posted by the real anonymous on August 22, 2004 1:40 AM

ya'll are nuts. It's simply common news now when JKidd got back from vacation and that he went to Mexico. If any of ya'll can give more info than that... go ahead and try to prove it. Freakin hilarious! lay off DM that person hasn't said anything that ya'll can't prove wrong.

Posted by tor on August 23, 2004 4:07 PM

RJ is a great player no doubt and he's a rising star, but he's definitely not the best small forward in the NBA. T-Mac is the best SF right now, and in 2 or 3 years LeBron James will best the SF for sure, just watch. I realize most of ya'll will disagree with me since you're Nets fans, but that's the truth whether you like it or not.

Posted by Jermaine on August 23, 2004 11:12 PM

T-Mac is a shooting guard to me. And I was talking about right now. LeBron may be the best SF in the future, but right now? Yeah right. And doesn't he play like 3 positions? Do they even know what position they truly want him at?

And tor, Jason only flies on private flights, according to more than one person here. That DM character said he was on a commercial flight and had all the flight info. First of all, DM wouldn't have the Kidds' flight info. Second of all, Jason doesn't fly commercial! And Pink said he didn't buy a house in Montclair. It was a bunch of lies by DM. Notice how DM disappeared? It's because Pink actually knows her stuff.

And apparently, nobody wants to tell us what the Kidds did last Saturday. I'm assuming nobody has a clue. But Pink, I'm curious about the Kidds' assistant. What does an assistant do?

Posted by Nets fan on August 24, 2004 1:29 AM

I'm the kidd's assistant and they do know about this board. They would like for everyone to respect their privacy and stop writing about the life here. The questions you ask and the comments you make are inappropriate and they are tired of hearing about the board

Posted by ad on August 25, 2004 12:10 PM

^^correction they would like for everyone to respect their privacy and stop writing about their life here.

Posted by ad on August 25, 2004 12:13 PM

Hi ad. Hope you stick around. But tell me, how was my question about what an assistant does inappropriate? I am curious. I didn't think it was a very personal question. A lot of these famous and rich people have assistants, I'm guessing, so I was just wondering what an assistant does. Would you mind sharing some of the things you do?

What do we say that is so inappropriate? A bunch of people here said they knew what the Kidds did two Saturdays ago. It sounded like a big deal, so it made a bunch of us curious. Pink seemed to like giving a little info about things like that before, but now she seems to be quiet about things, like she's avoiding our questions. I don't think the thing about Jason buying a house in Montclair is that private either. I mean, plenty of people in this state know what town Jason lives in. It's been on tv, it's been in the paper. It's not a big secret. I just wanted to know if the Montclair thing was true. That question is also being avoided and I can't figure out why.

I'm sorry the Kidds are tired of us talking about them, but I think they should kind of expect it with the lifestyle they have. And they aren't exactly the most private family out there. Maybe not this year, but the last two years, if you asked people in NJ who Joumana and TJ were, practically everyone knew, even if they weren't fans of basketball. They were everywhere- on the news, on tv, in the paper. And they liked being in the spotlight. Sorry we like to know what's going on with them. From what I've seen on tv, in the papers, etc, I think they are a wonderful family and it's interesting to know what they are up to. I don't think we are saying anything bad here. We are just big fans.

Posted by Nets fan on August 25, 2004 5:31 PM

Yeah, what's so inappropriate? The plastic surgery stuff was a little over the top, but what else do we say that is so bad? They are public figures, you know. Could someone at least tell us when Joumana's going to be on TV or if she is even doing anymore TV work?

Posted by the real anonymous on August 26, 2004 7:59 PM

And on other sites, I hear all sorts of rumors about the Kidds and it's nice to come here and be able get the truth. I would hope that Pink will still talk to us. We aren't bad people, I don't think.

Yeah, still curious about the Montclair thing.

Posted by the real anonymous on August 26, 2004 8:03 PM

Pink! I know you hate us, but could you just post to say hi or something? I know I've given you a rough time before, but I really do appreciate your posts. And I hope the Kidds aren't mad at the people here. From what I see, the people here are all big fans of theirs. None of us hate them. I hope they know that.

Posted by enough with the trade talk on August 27, 2004 11:22 PM

Jason Kidd news withdrawal has set in.

Posted by Anonymous on August 30, 2004 7:32 PM

Jason's out until December. Wow, I wonder what happened? It was assumed that he would be fine for the regular season, if not training camp, but they are already announcing that he will be out till December!! Maybe he tweaked the knee during a work out? Hmmm. Hopefully Lucious can step in and get the job done like he did when Jason had to sit out last year. But I'm glad Jason's getting more rest. He deserves it. More rest now will help him come playoff time.

Posted by Nets fan on September 1, 2004 7:40 PM

Yes, I continue to wish Jason the best of luck with his rehab. Rehabbing from that type of surgery takes a lot of hard work and dedication. It's a frustrating thing to go through. I hope he recovers well.

Posted by richard on September 1, 2004 9:25 PM

Hope Jason is doing well with his recovery. Hope all is well with the family. Ad, can you tell them that since you think everything is negative that is posted. Alot of the people here have wonderful things to say. The Kidds are celebrities, people are going to talk about them. You can't stop people from writing about things, its called freedom of speech.

Joumana's breasts are fake, but whats wrong with that?

Posted by mb on September 2, 2004 3:32 AM

How do you know? Only Pink knows her personally.

Posted by Anonymous on September 4, 2004 12:02 AM

Um, no advertisements (or whatever you call that stuff that makes no sense) please.

Posted by Anonymous on September 6, 2004 1:08 PM

Yeah, so what Joumana's breasts are fake. Her breasts don't look natural to me in certain pictures but if she's happy with them, then there's no problem. I just think it's amusing how her friend seems to deny it without (I don't think) knowing if Joumana's breasts are real or fake. What's the big deal?

It's not really nice to talk about this, but it's September, the month with the least NBA news and the least Jason Kidd news so we have to talk about something I guess. And I'm hearing all different times for Jason's return from knee surgery. On espn, they said he would be ready for training camp but the media says he won't be around till December and someone else told me that December is overly optimistic and that he might not be back till February. Hmmm. Oh well, I think it would be good for him to rest during some of the regular season anyway. The more rest he gets now, the better he feels in April.

Posted by enough with the trade talk on September 6, 2004 1:21 PM

Jason is doing fine..will be out until atleast end of December maybe january. Wish him well

Posted by ad on September 6, 2004 8:49 PM

Also..stop talking about her breast regardless if they are paid for or natural they are hers and are on her body let that issue die. It would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by ad on September 6, 2004 8:51 PM

I continue to wish Jason nothing but the best with his recovery. It's good that he's not rushing to get back and is taking his time.

ad, you still don't want to share with us with it is that you do as an assistant? :) And do you know if Pink is ever going to post here again? I really enjoyed her messages. I would hope she isn't going to cut us off completely.

Posted by Nets fan on September 6, 2004 10:56 PM

Glad to hear Jason is doing well. Thanks for the update, ad.

Posted by the real anonymous on September 7, 2004 1:07 AM

In order to make it easier to continue this discussion, I have created another page on this site for it. Please continue to post your comments, over here.

Posted by Matt on September 7, 2004 11:46 PM

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